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"Paris terror attacks suspect Salah Abdeslam arrested in Brussels" Good. He should considered himself lucky he was in Belgium when they found him.
Quite funny: He wanted to blow himself up, but, errr, didn't... Was he afraid of a lost in translation about the virgins?
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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Even funnier: all this while he was living in Brussels.Originally Posted by Brenus
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Never thought about having to eternally change diapers. Hey I didn't lie they are virgins.
But he probably changed his mind because it was better to postpone it
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"Even funnier: all this while he was living in Brussels." Yeap. Apparently, his target was the Stade de France in Paris... Well, he probably go his map wrong... Didn't went to fight in IS either... Choices, choices...
"But he probably changed his mind because it was better to postpone it" Probably find out finally that virgins are over-rated?
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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I mean after his attack the most wanted man in Europe continued to live in the capital of Belgium and the capital of the EU and the police couldn't get at him.
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Police couldn't find him, but just about everybody in Molenbeek, famous for it's enrichment of culture, knew he was there, and knew where.
Last edited by Fragony; 03-20-2016 at 16:34.
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"I mean after his attack the most wanted man in Europe continued to live in the capital of Belgium and the capital of the EU and the police couldn't get at him." Yeap, but this not really something someone can do about it. You can't have a cop in every house. And even so, some would be corrupted any way...
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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Can't have a cop in every house but it wasn't exactly a secret that just about the whole muslim community knew he was there. Most were just scared probably but there is little to be happy about.
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But if every Muslim knows then presumably the police will know also? What is the problem then? Every Muslim had access to a GPS tracker of the guy but refused to leave an anonymous tip?
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"it wasn't exactly a secret that just about the whole muslim community knew he was there." Don't know this. What I know is it took years to dismantle the Action Direct (extreme left) movement when as fanatic Muslim criminals are caught in weeks... So, the inside job is much better in the case of Muslim criminals. I know it is not what you want the hear, but the "Muslim community", if one exists, is much more keen in cooperation with law enforcement than the native extremely radicalised left (or right, and not speaking of the ETA and others nationalists movements).
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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Molenbeek must be a really charming place.
Jesus, even our Dendropotamos looks more friendly to outsiders.
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Nice ain't it, it's what happens when the politically-correct refuse to acknowledge an obvious problem. None of all this shit had to happen if it weren't for apoligists.
@Brenus, muslim community is terrified of these guys, rightfully so
Last edited by Fragony; 03-22-2016 at 04:04.
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"muslim community is terrified of these guys, rightfully so" Oh, I don't doubt of it. The problem is the "Muslim Community" is as well responsible for it, when the "communities leaders" refused to condemned the various fatwas by extremists, when endorsing hidjab, when refusing to adopt the host countries laws, etc. The term itself of community favoured the emergence of such movement(s).
Let face it: all religions, if should apply to association status law, would be refused on the grounds of their Holly Book(s) as none of them recognise equality in gender, advocate discrimination (by nature, followers/none followers) and violence (even at low level).
You know, the sentence like "they push too far but they have a point", all is in the but. We have/had it in the forum. They shouldn't but... Victims shouldn't tell what they think because it offends, and to offend fanatic criminals is dangerous, and dangerous fanatics have a point as in their view, every one else is offending just by the fact they think and breath.
So, after all these years of soft acceptance of criminal and outlawed concepts and idea, the "Muslim Community" is now paying the price. They can be terrified, their children (some of them) became ISIL, but during years, they though it was all right to oppress and kill (or not condemning) minorities, apostates, females etc. The danger they saw was not religious extremism but laicism, atheism, feminism, freedom of though and choices.
And we let them thinking this. Even now, some think that what we need is more religion, not less religion, as religions allegedly give moral compass(es). Right, it is morally acceptable to push gays from high building, to crucify apostate, to burn alive others because, well, the BOOK allowed it.
I am not saying that we have to let the "Muslim Community" down because they are partially responsible for this. But we have to stop to be blinded to what is written in Holly Books (in general) and start to see the reality of religions, and how it can be interpreted. So we can put preachers advocating against universal Human right in a Court, they can be convicted and sentence for not respecting Constitutions and Laws. And Religions shouldn't be exempted of following the law...
Last edited by Brenus; 03-22-2016 at 08:09.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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Oh I don't disagree, two booms in Brussels a few minutes ago
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To paraphrase "The love of religion is the root of all evil"
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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I don't have a deep knowledge of buddism, but it seems to differ in all those points mentioned from other major religions.
Once again: everyone chooses in any holy book/religion what chimes with his inner soul.
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According to ISIS, paying tax to them is also an important part of their religion, even for countries far away from traditional Muslim heartlands such as Belgium.
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This is a false equivalence.
Let me rephrase, your implication is a false equivalence.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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I noticed that the terrorist leaders don't do the suicide bombings. Osama is one example.
Wooooo!!!
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"I don't have a deep knowledge of buddism, but it seems to differ in all those points mentioned from other major religions." Yeah, except not. Technically Buddhism isn't a religion in stricto sensus, then http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22356306, unfortunately, no human ideology is free of violence.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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Evidently, your "sensus" is at variance with the mainstream opinion.
http://www.everystudent.com/features/connecting.html
And what was not mentioned in the article - Buddhists have temples.Buddhism and its beliefs
Buddhists do not worship any gods or God. People outside of Buddhism often think that Buddhists worship the Buddha. However, the Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama) never claimed to be divine, but rather he is viewed by Buddhists as having attained what they are also striving to attain, which is spiritual enlightenment and, with it, freedom from the continuous cycle of life and death. Most Buddhists believe a person has countless rebirths, which inevitably include suffering. A Buddhist seeks to end these rebirths. Buddhists believe it is a person's cravings, aversion and delusion that cause these rebirths. Therefore, the goal of a Buddhist is to purify one's heart and to let go of all yearnings toward sensual desires and the attachment to oneself.
Buddhists follow a list of religious principles and very dedicated meditation. When a Buddhist meditates it is not the same as praying or focusing on a god, it is more of a self-discipline. Through practiced meditation a person may reach Nirvana -- "the blowing out" of the flame of desire.
Buddhism provides something that is true of most major religions: disciplines, values and directives that a person may want to live by.
Thus, all prerequisites to be considered a religion.
As far as Buddhism is concerned, you confuse ideology with practical application of it. The violence described in the article has no bearing on the ideology itself. Or can you quote some tenet of buddhism that encourahes violence?
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"Evidently, your "sensus" is at variance with the mainstream opinion" Often happened, but I am often right. Religion is not a link with the divine with the extended version of divine provided by your link, but the link between God and it/his/her/their creatures. Buddha never claim to be a prophet or representing a divinity, so Buddhism is part of a bigger religion as Wahhabi, Sufism (having their own temples as well) are part of Islam. Same for Christianity were Catholicism, Eastern Christians and other various Protestant Sects are part of it, have their own rites and temples, but are part of the maim stream.
I suggest you read the subtitle of your provided link, that will explain their version (A Safe Place to Explore Questions About Life and God).
"Buddhists have temples. Thus, all prerequisites to be considered a religion." Nope. The prerequistes to be considered a religion is to worship a divinity/ies. Some Sects would tell that nature is a Temple. Remember: Link with the Divinity/ies.
"According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again" (in reading or in thought), from re- "again" (see re-) + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (Servius, Lactantius, Augustine) and the interpretation of many modern writers connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." In that case, the re- would be intensive. Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens. In English, meaning "particular system of faith" is recorded from c. 1300; sense of "recognition of and allegiance in manner of life (perceived as justly due) to a higher, unseen power or powers" is from 1530s." in http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=religion
"As far as Buddhism is concerned, you confuse ideology with practical application of it."
Last edited by Brenus; 03-27-2016 at 10:47.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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Buddha was not a divinity nor prophet, yet some temples are proud to exhibit his body parts (namely teeth). Which kinda transforms him into a figure to be worshipped. Thus, whatever the differences between Buddhism and "hard core" religions maybe, it is still a religion/confession.
Most religions have places to perform a service/worship at and/or places were adherents stay indefinitely to spend their life in prayers. Buddhism has both - temples and monasteries. Ergo: Buddhism is a religion.
Etymology can't always explain the current meaning of the word. Some words preserve their meaning thus etymology is helpful, other don't (girl in Old English meant a child of any sex, husband meant the master of the house). So involving etymology is of doubtful value as an argument.
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"Buddha was not a divinity nor prophet," So not a religion.
"yet some temples are proud to exhibit his body parts" So do some Churches and Cathedrals (Holy Relics in various Countries) which doesn't make them a religion.
"So involving etymology is of doubtful value as an argument"
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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So those are not religious buildings?
You again confuse - this time etymology and definition. The etymology of the word geometry is the science about the measuring of land. Yet modern definition of it has nothing to do with land measuring."So involving etymology is of doubtful value as an argument"
Jansenism and Sufism stemmed from mainstream religions and are teachings within the framework of the corresponding confessions.And Buddhism isn't, no more than Janseism, Sufism, or atheism.
Jansenism is a kind of Catholicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansenism)
Sufism is a kind of Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism)Jansenism was a Catholic theological movement, primarily in France, that emphasized original sin, human depravity, the necessity of divine grace, and predestination.
And do atheists have temples like Buddhists?Sufism or Tasawwuf (Arabic: تصوف), is defined as the inner mystical dimension of Islam. Practitioners of Sufism (Tasawwuf), referred to as Sufis (ṣūfī) (/ˈsuːfi/; صُوفِيّ), often belong to different ṭuruq or "orders"—congregations formed around a grand master referred to as a Mawla who maintains a direct chain of teachers back to the Prophet Muhammad. These orders meet for spiritual sessions (majalis) in meeting places known as zawiyahs, khanqahs, or tekke. Sufis strive for ihsan (perfection of worship) as detailed in a hadith: "Ihsan is to worship Allah as if you see Him; if you can't see Him, surely He sees you."
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"Jansenism and Sufism stemmed from mainstream religions and are teachings within the framework of the corresponding confessions." Err, yeah, that is my point. Your point is Buddhism isn't a stream of a main Religion, but a religion.
"So those are not religious buildings?" Yes they are, but they are not part of a separate religion.
So what are your points? Buddhism is a separation of Hinduism (both are pantheist), as Protestantism is a separation of Catholicism (both are Christian). You mix Churches and Religions, I think.
"And do atheists have temples like Buddhists?" Nope, as atheism is not a religion. Buddhists being part of a religion as Shia and Sunnites are, and no one pretend these last two are from a different religion.
Last edited by Brenus; 03-27-2016 at 17:28.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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All traditional classifications acknowledge Buddhism and Hinduism as separate religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_...gest_religions
You again go for origin instead of the current status. Originally some religions may have had common roots (like Judaism and Christianity, or, in our case, Hinduism and Buddhism) yet at present they are different religions. If they stay within the same framework, there is a holonym which includes some partonyms. For example, Catholics, Protestants and the Orthodox are Christians, Shias and Sunnis are both Muslims. Hinduists and Buddhists don't have such an umbrella name which would include both. Including both into the category of pantheists is wrong.
Pantheism is not a religion. It is a belief that God is everywhere and everything is/has God. This belief is opposed to monotheism and polytheism. Within each there are distinct religions (monotheistic are Christianity, Islam and Judaism, polytheistic are Scandinavian, Greek and Roman (pagan) religions), and some religions contain a mix of those three (Hinduism combines pantheism and polytheism). Now Buddhism denies the existence of the Deity, which in this respect makes it closer to atheism. Yet it has its temples, priests, monasteries, monks, rites and practices which are distinct from others (including Hinduism), thus making it a separate religion.
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"Pantheism is not a religion. It is a belief that God is everywhere and everything is/has God." True. So is Buddhism. You finally agree with me.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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I'm not going to react to your trolling and repeat once again arguments about temples, rites, priests and so on. I have referred to the mainstream classification(s) of religions which ALWAYS include Buddhism. If you don't agree to what the world thinks, well, it's your choice.
Last edited by Gilrandir; 03-29-2016 at 20:23.
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Actually Buddhism, strictly speaking, is a metaphysical system (not a religion) that excludes the existence of "God" as generally understood. In pure Buddhist thought Brahman is not God, he is simply the most enlightened being. In fact, according to Buddhist Metaphysics Brahman is actually the first being to fall from Nirvana, he thereby achieves self awareness and when other being fall and rejoin him on the lower run of existence he believes he created them. When other being fall still further they look up to the more enlightened Brahman and call him "God".
To be sure, there are people who hold beliefs similar to Buddhist metaphysics who DO believe in God as we in the West understand Him but they are a later splinter sect who re-incorporated elements of Hinduism into the religion. There are also "Buddhist Christians", which is really bizarre.
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