IKEA mafia [Concluded]

Welcome to the Org. :bow:

Omg this game setup is hillarious.

Thank you :D

The two top candidates for todays lynch (according to me) were killed.

Pizza survived, that means he's scum, or the mafia consider themselves safe from his accusations.

Vote: Visor, not killing Pizza (assuming he's innocent) is something he would do.

I'm hoping it gets easier to read you guys. The snap reads at the beginning and the reasons behind the votes make no sense at all to me.

I liked Visor's big post at the beginning. If it was his own, and not something he copied from someone else, he would be lock clear as village to me. I haven't yet decided if it's still villagery for him to pretend that that is his thought process.

I liked the comment about there already being 2 votes on someone. El Barto looking good for that.

Back to reading.

Ok. I'm gonna try again tomorrow, cuz I'm simply not focusing anymore.

Pizza made a good point about AK (Zack?) and GH not being w/w because of people coming in and noticing the "resistence to vote" line and voting him. I can so see you guys doing that.

Also agree on the point that if GH is town, it might look bad for Zack.

This site has an annoyingly short idle time.

Can I get a list of peoples' nicknames so I know who you guys are talking about?

The only person I know here is Pizza.

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Originally Posted by edse

Vote: Visor, not killing Pizza (assuming he's innocent) is something he would do.

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wat

besides that being one of the dumber things I have seen today, I can name off the top of my head games where I have explicitly killed Pizza N1 as mafia.

1. Recent game where I was mafia with FoxLelay (who was inactive)
2. The Island, where I was mafia with Lewwyn

Jeez, I lose internet for about 48 hours and then have to read 500 or so posts?

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Originally Posted by AdmiralKleenex

sheeping visor/pizza to jump on a village wagon, then peace out

it's something scum mat93 (punisher) would definitely do.

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Actually agreed, I have done that before and would do it again, although I have strong history of trusting Visor's read on Jarrema as any alignment. Until reading he just said it because of Jarrema voting him. :rtwno:

I do not believe atpg's claim of being mason and vig, that being said, choice of target isn't bad (if not lieing about the vig part), so I'm happy to leave that to resolve later (insert my normal I don't read atpg well post here).

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

What we have here is a case of people judging me by their standards when they should be judging me by my standards.

We've all made the "lol GH is older than the dinosaurs" type of jokes when nominating me to the championships, but there's truth behind those statements, and you all know I'm pretty stuck in my ways. One of those ways is me taking the first couple of rounds to really warm up in a game and take it all in. Well, that was the case on the .Org for years and years.

It was also the case for a while during the revival starting last year. But at a certain point, this changed. I think it was Visor's Snake Cult game where he brought in a lot of folks from outside. And then, pressing down hard on the gas right from the start became the new normal. People are now demanding reads lists and slapping themselves on the back for getting cases down on Day Friggin One. And that's just not how I operate.

I was able to slide by it for a while, but after the nomination, I know what's in store for me. So I'm trying to adjust. And when people like Zack and you are asking me what I think about the state of the game and making me do stuff I'm far more used to doing (and am far more comfortable with doing) in the endgame on Day Friggin One, of course it's going to sound artificial. Because I have one of two options in these types of scenarios:

Option 1) Come up with cases on people, and have it stand out because the cases are forced.

Option 2) Tell the truth, admit you have no reads, and then come under fire because seeing town/null reads left and right is a classic scumtell, and is, as a matter of fact, what did me in the most recent game before this one.

So yeah, I'm a bit uncomfortable right now, and I'm slightly more than a bit exasperated at this turn of events because I'm trying, but it's obviously not enough.

Now, I could lie to you right now and say that I have a case on somebody right now. That I've done my reads, that I've even attempted to do my reads, and here's what I have down so far. Or, I could tell you the truth and say I have jack squat.

Well, I have jack squat. Right now.

The choice is now up to you to determine how to react to this. This time, you're the one who has two options:

Option 1) Lynch me, wait for me to flip town, and lose my voice for the rest of the game because of the "no talking after death" rule, which I also hate but we'll leave that one for another time.

Option 2) Leave me alive and wait for me to do my own thing at my own pace.

You forget that the times may have changed, but I haven't. Not yet. Judge me on me and not the meta.

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Loved this post. I, for one, will let you live, and see what that develops.

Punisher, it's probably okay to just admit we're masons at this point.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

PIS?

Vote: ATPG

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Maybe he just looked over Sooh's shoulder.

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

I'm hoping it gets easier to read you guys. The snap reads at the beginning and the reasons behind the votes make no sense at all to me.

I liked Visor's big post at the beginning. If it was his own, and not something he copied from someone else, he would be lock clear as village to me. I haven't yet decided if it's still villagery for him to pretend that that is his thought process.

I liked the comment about there already being 2 votes on someone. El Barto looking good for that.

Back to reading.

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Yeah day 1 is just a bunch of crap. I have no idea why we're on page 20, though.

Oh, c'mon, not even I -who am a serial OMGUSer- am voting for Visor. What's your real reason for that, edse?

Votes:
El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse

Not voting: BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler, Punisher, Eldrick, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy, Double A

http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/tur_1460667600.png

Sooh, khaan ain't playing, it's eldrick now.

El Barto, meet El drick-o

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Sooh, khaan ain't playing, it's eldrick now.

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Oh duh! I thought I had changed it in my document as well.

Thanks for letting me know. Fixing immediately.

You're welcome. You owe me 20 bazillion kroner.

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Originally Posted by Visor

besides that being one of the dumber things I have seen today, I can name off the top of my head games where I have explicitly killed Pizza N1 as mafia.

1. Recent game where I was mafia with FoxLelay (who was inactive)
2. The Island, where I was mafia with Lewwyn

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Yes, but you didn't do it this time.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

Oh, c'mon, not even I -who am a serial OMGUSer- am voting for Visor. What's your real reason for that, edse?

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The Mafia wants to keep people who make cases alive as long as they don't target them. Pizza, being shepherd delux, is the best example of such person.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

You're welcome. You owe me 20 bazillion kroner.

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*Contemplates modkilling El Barto*

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Originally Posted by edse

Yes, but you didn't do it this time.

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Which makes Visor…?

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Originally Posted by edse

The Mafia wants to keep people who make cases alive as long as they don't target them. Pizza, being shepherd delux, is the best example of such person.

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That statement is so ambiguous that I don't know how to respond.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

*Contemplates modkilling El Barto*

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This is unnecessary violence. Including damages for assault, the sum is now 23 bazillion kroner.

Vote: Raith Kemmler

I got nothing. :shrug:

Thread isn't moving. Did the first tucker out everyone?

Vote: Edse

Case on Aspg feels weak and half handed. Also Atheotes to a degree. Aspg might be mafia, but I aint buying these cases yet.

General reads when I'm awake. Also I agree with new guy. Reads are tough in this game.

I frankly don't understand the votes on atpg, but then I don't understand his kill claim either.

If Atpg is paranoid town, lying liars lie a lot. Cover for the Vig, throw some sand up to confuse the mafia, kill angling to get more read cred, shenanigans.

He's always paranoid regardless of alignment. Anyway, being masons with a vig sounds like too much… but then it doesn't sound like too much for him to claim in someone else's stead. Sometimes his pizzas are flavoured ‘random surprise’.

Votes:
El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler

Not voting: BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Punisher, Eldrick, askthepizzaguy, Double A

http://www.pending.me.uk/cd/tur_1460667600.png

It's not Pizza's claims that bother me.

It's that he is claiming to have more information about the setup than those claims would provide.

Vote: Pizza

I think that's how you guys do it here.

Also not sure how AK survived the lynch, I was gonna vote him today, but he's the dead.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

El Barto, meet El drick-o

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El hi o

Just for the record, I am lock clear, so each person voting for me needs to find a second candidate shortly.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Just for the record, I am lock clear, so each person voting for me needs to find a second candidate shortly.

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If you don't, I always lynch you this game. So do yourself a favor.

Not bluffing this time.

You got 12 hours slowpokes.

You aren't lock clear and your threats mean nothing to me.

The only people that are lock clear are those that have already died and are mod confirmed town.

If you don't back up your threat with a vote, I'll just add it to the other lies you have spewed this game.

You hard claimed mason, which hasn't been confirmed. If you are telling the truth, whoever your partner is would be cleared upon your death. The fact that it isn't confirmed is fishy.

Your other claims don't mean as much being you said you wouldn't back down from your mason claim. Any other claims are useless by comparison.

You also claim to have more insight on the setup of the game. How?

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

You aren't lock clear and your threats mean nothing to me.

The only people that are lock clear are those that have already died and are mod confirmed town.

If you don't back up your threat with a vote, I'll just add it to the other lies you have spewed this game.

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Happen to think Khaan was a villager, is the only reason I'm allowing this silliness.

i also think eldrick is a villager because of khaan

its angelshooty, but i don't believe khaan quits a game just because of the potential of GH being lynched if he is mafia. his team bond would override his bond

and if not lolkhaan, i'll just not sign up for games hes in, bloody shameful

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Originally Posted by Visor

i also think eldrick is a villager because of khaan

its angelshooty, but i don't believe khaan quits a game just because of the potential of GH being lynched if he is mafia. his team bond would override his bond

and if not lolkhaan, i'll just not sign up for games hes in, bloody shameful

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So GH and atheotes still need to make proper votes.

The vote record is going to be utterly shameful and impossible to sort through later on if they don't.

Visor I would ask you to encourage this vote movement. the data is necessary.

to be clear, i think its ALREADY shitty that he subbed out for stupid reasons

if hes mafia i just dont have the words to describe how shitty (especially if gh is town)

and eldrick seems okay anyway so we'll go with that

edse's argument is terrible

dunno if that makes him mafia though

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So GH and atheotes still need to make proper votes.

The vote record is going to be utterly shameful and impossible to sort through later on if they don't.

Visor I would ask you to encourage this vote movement. the data is necessary.

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This post is a dead giveaway that I'm a villager.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So GH and atheotes still need to make proper votes.

The vote record is going to be utterly shameful and impossible to sort through later on if they don't.

Visor I would ask you to encourage this vote movement. the data is necessary.

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the game is gonna be a town loss because zack died a villager and both of us are probably villagers

and then we're gonna get killed off quick smart

and nobody else is gonna post and then suddenly at lylo some of the townie will realise hey we screwed up

and then we're gonna lose

but sure yeah i guess i'll do something

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Originally Posted by Visor

to be clear, i think its ALREADY shitty that he subbed out for stupid reasons

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Yeah it sucks for game integrity but I've stormed out of a game in anger before, twice.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Yeah it sucks for game integrity but I've stormed out of a game in anger before, twice.

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yeah but this was about the POTENTIAL of someone being lynched

thats the problem i have with it

town
12. Visor - town
15. Punisher - claimed mason
16. Raith Kemmler - seems to care, town
10. Eldrick ( replacing Seireikhaan) - angleshot himself clear
13. edse - stupid argument, probably town
1. Askthepizzaguy - mason, why not

wolves
8. Double A
4. El Barto
5. atheotes
6. BSmith
7. Al Sipsclar
9. GeneralHankerchief
11. johnhughthom
17. Golden1Knight

maybe move JHT up to town for caring about the vote yesterday despite v/v wagons

its things like that and the whole gold argument that really suck the fun out of games

there should really be a 5 game related post or instant modkill rule on the Org, just to encourage people to actually post SOMETHING

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edse Posts 7
atheotes Posts 7
johnhughthom Posts 6
Al Sipsclar Posts 4
Punisher Posts 3
Golden1Knight Posts 2
BSmith 1 or 2 posts idfk

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look at this

how am i supposed to know who is town here

i still think takhis is mafia but at least he posts

Vote: atheotes

i would rather lose to a team of posters than a team of lurkers

wagons should be

double a
atheotes
al sips
bsmith

something like that

consistently string up the lurkers to force them to post

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If you don't, I always lynch you this game. So do yourself a favor.

Not bluffing this time.

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thats what you said D1 about your mason claim. then you have also claimed a vig hit.
if you were feeling so strongly about Zack you shouldnt have moved your vote...

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Originally Posted by Visor

town
12. Visor - town
15. Punisher - claimed mason
16. Raith Kemmler - seems to care, town
10. Eldrick ( replacing Seireikhaan) - angleshot himself clear
13. edse - stupid argument, probably town
1. Askthepizzaguy - mason, why not

wolves
8. Double A
4. El Barto
5. atheotes
6. BSmith
7. Al Sipsclar
9. GeneralHankerchief
11. johnhughthom
17. Golden1Knight

maybe move JHT up to town for caring about the vote yesterday despite v/v wagons

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I asked you a question? you dint care to respond.
You trust Atpg's claim of being mason with a vig ability?

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Originally Posted by atheotes

I asked you a question? you dint care to respond.
You trust Atpg's claim of being mason with a vig ability?

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he's lying about one

and hes townie about it anyway

trying to draw a kill

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Originally Posted by Visor

he's lying about one

and hes townie about it anyway

trying to draw a kill

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Seems to me that both of you have more information than what is available in the thread.
To start with i did not believe the mason claim as i thought it was a vanilla set up. But the two night kills tell me otherwise.
ok...may be there is a little credence to what you are saying about drawing a kill. If he is town, the way he is playing is bound to confuse the town more than the scum.
I would like to see his reply on why he switched his vote off Zack.

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Seems to me that both of you have more information than what is available in the thread.

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wat

both of us have played on sites where fakeclaiming happens a lot in the last few years

i knew as soon as he claimed and he probably knew that i knew that he was lying

its standard practice to lie as vanilla town in that spot, if you think you can pull it off

of course atpg could indeed be a vig and just being blatant about it (and I suspect this actually)

but its not something that should be looked into

ignore the claim focus on the content

Don't base a read on me because of the person I subbed in for. Base it on my content.

If my points on Pizza are bad, talk about them. Explain why you think I'm wrong.

Almost all of the game I have no read on. The other thing that caught my attention was that when Zack was about to be lynched, instead of finding a reason for us to vote someone else, he just left the game. He effectively gave up. I was gonna come after him hard today, but he was killed.

I haven't had any issues with Visor. My only town read ATP.

Like I said earlier, willing to give GH some time to warm up and see where he goes. I liked and respect the post he did about building up slower than usual.

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Originally Posted by Visor

wat

both of us have played on sites where fakeclaiming happens a lot in the last few years

i knew as soon as he claimed and he probably knew that i knew that he was lying

its standard practice to lie as vanilla town in that spot, if you think you can pull it off

of course atpg could indeed be a vig and just being blatant about it (and I suspect this actually)

but its not something that should be looked into

ignore the claim focus on the content

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you are saying that you believe his mason claim to be false...yet you have Punisher as town for no other reason.
Perhaps you have played with pizza enough to figure his alignment, for me i only know of two villagers. Myself and Eldrick (His thoughts echo mine)
Forgetting the claims, content alone is not enough to consider him town in my view. tbh, Takhs posts pinged me more than anyone elses. But i just do not like the multiple claims combined with shift of vote.

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Originally Posted by Visor

15. Punisher - claimed mason

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Punisher, it's probably okay to just admit we're masons at this point.

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:shrug:




Visor has a point about atpg, culturally different between sites. edse gives horrible reasoning, and considering the low votes today, a vote for atpg is low risk move for scum, so...slight scum lean. Eldrick strong town lean. Takhisis is being Takhisis. Al Sips is being very quiet by his standards, I'm reading the majority of posts made as townie in general. I don't like any of the lynches today so far.

BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Double A


I would vote for Visor for the bs yesterday with Jarrema, but horrible idea in game terms. vote: Al Sips, but could easily switch to another of the above 4. An edse lynch would be a weak case, and IMO would get more info by leaving him alive, and a potential lynch another day.

Punisher, are you claiming to be Pizza's mason buddy?

Punsiher, i dont see any reason why you wouldnt want to confirm if you are pizza's mason partner.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So GH and atheotes still need to make proper votes.

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You're not going to bully me into changing.

That said, I'm also willing to leave you alive for now because you *are* contributing, hopefully in the future you'll move away from or at least explain the "I'm lock clear" nonsense that is clearly untrue.

Though if your next post in response to this is further affirmation of you being supposedly lock clear, my vote moves right back onto you as I'm kind of tired of it.

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Golden1Knight

Also let's cut down on the language a bit, I don't mind an isolated instance or two but not in successive posts and not the F-bomb. Use the daisy [:daisy:] if you have to.

Why Golden1Knight?

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

Why Golden1Knight?

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Three posts in total. One signing up, two of them votes with no extra context whatsoever.

Good reason for a prod. Not a good one for a lynch.

I don't want to see a lynch train happening on this.

How does one ISO on this site?

Day seemed to be a lot of voting for no discernible reason.

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

Day 1 seemed to be a lot of voting for no discernible reason.

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Fixed.

Most people have not showed up at all...it sucks.
I am all for lynching an inactive. I will be back before the end of day.

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

How does one ISO on this site?

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On the Gameroom index page, click where it says the number of replies (for example right now is around 628). A new window should pop up listing each individual's post count. Click on the player's post count in question that you want and there you go.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

On the Gameroom index page, click where it says the number of replies (for example right now is around 628). A new window should pop up listing each individual's post count. Click on the player's post count in question that you want and there you go.

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Cool, thanks. I already figured out the post count thing.

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Originally Posted by atheotes

Most people have not showed up at all...it sucks.
I am all for lynching an inactive. I will be back before the end of day.

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I'm not. I am adamantly lynching someone because they are inactive cuz if we are wrong, there is no information gained.

adamantly against*

Actually wait.

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Originally Posted by Punisher

:shrug:




Visor has a point about atpg, culturally different between sites. edse gives horrible reasoning, and considering the low votes today, a vote for atpg is low risk move for scum, so...slight scum lean. Eldrick strong town lean. Takhisis is being Takhisis. Al Sips is being very quiet by his standards, I'm reading the majority of posts made as townie in general. I don't like any of the lynches today so far.

BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Double A


I would vote for Visor for the bs yesterday with Jarrema, but horrible idea in game terms. vote: Al Sips, but could easily switch to another of the above 4. An edse lynch would be a weak case, and IMO would get more info by leaving him alive, and a potential lynch another day.

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Unvote: Golden1Knight
Vote: Punisher

Seems weak, got a classic scumslip or two.

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Originally Posted by Visor

i still think takhis is mafia but at least he posts

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Tak is the strongest read I have at the moment, but that said it is not all that strong. vote: El Takibarto If you think he is scum then you should vote for him. Lynching an inactive is not usually productive as there is little info to gain and the chances are high that they are town.

I realize I have been contributing to the lack of contribution, but man there is not a lot to go on today. Zack kill is curious as he would easily have been a lynch target today. Choxorn makes sense as the suggestion was made that he was a doctor. Are we certain that there is a vig in play here? I suppose I could see Zack as a good vig target as he was under a lot of suspicion and removing him at night would let us focus on other targets.

Town lean –
Visor
atheotes
Eldrick

Anyone else could be scum in my mind. As for ATPG – not sure what the strategy is behind the multiple (and likely fake) claims. I think atheotes is right that this tactic would generally trip up town more than mafia. I’ve played a lot of mafia but haven’t really seen the fake claim bit work effectively – probably due to it not being used much where I play. What is the rationale behind it?

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Originally Posted by Visor

look at this

how am i supposed to know who is town here

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Golden1Knight is.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Golden1Knight is.

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Thoughts on Punisher?

Vote analysis. The persons in blue are never getting lynched this game ever, or are already known to be villagers.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATPG (2) - Visor, Al Sips
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto

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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (1) - GH
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse

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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, Double A, edse, Punisher


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ATPG (1) - Khaan
AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
Khaan (1) - ATPG
Punisher (1) - Raith Kemmler
GH (1) - AdmiralKleenex
Visor (1) - Jarema
atheotes (1) - El Barto
Jarema (4) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (2) - GH, johnhughthom
GH (6) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Askthepizzaguy, Choxorn
Visor (1) - Jarema
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (3) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy
GH (5) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Golden1Knight, Choxorn
Jarema (5) - Visor, Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A
Choxorn (1) - Jarema

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AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, johnhughthom, askthepizzaguy, Visor, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema
GH (4) - AdmiralKleenex, Raith Kemmler, El Barto, Choxorn
Jarema (4) - Al Sips, edse, Punisher, seireikhaan
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (7) - GH, askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips
GH (2) - Raith Kemmler, El Barto
Jarema (7) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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AdmiralKleenex (6) - BSmith, Golden1Knight, Jarema, atheotes, Al Sips, Raith Kemmler
Choxorn (1) - El Barto
Jarema (9) - edse, Punisher, seireikhaan, AdmiralKleenex, Visor, johnhughthom, Choxorn, GH, askthepizzaguy
johnhughthom (1) - Double A

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El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse

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Votes:
El Barto (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - GH, atheotes
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler

Not voting: BSmith, Golden1Knight, Al Sips, Punisher, Eldrick, askthepizzaguy, Double A

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Votes:
atheotes (1) - Visor
GeneralHankerchief (1) - El Barto
ATPG (2) - atheotes, Eldrick
Visor (1) - edse
Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Al Sips- (1) Punisher
Punisher- (1) GH
El Barto- BSmith

Not voting: Golden1Knight, Al Sips, askthepizzaguy, Double A

So I need to know the alignments, town/mafia, of several additional persons.

For example, the people in THIS SECTION today:

Raith Kemmler (1) - johnhughthom
Edse (1) - Raith Kemmler
Al Sips- (1) Punisher
Punisher- (1) GH
El Barto- BSmith

Raith, john, Edse, Al Sips, GH, El Barto, BSmith

Have to have a couple wolves in it. So if you're a villager in this section, think about what's going on.

Edse it would be great if you stopped voting for Visor.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Thoughts on Punisher?

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*shrug*

Punisher is just some player in this game. Reaction seemed villagery.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My vote looms over the unfortunate designer furnishings like the sword of Damocles. Seventeen players, and only so many places for the scummos to hide. Perhaps three scummos. If I took five shots randomly, how many scummos could I hit?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Khaan
GH
johnny boy
Zackleeno
Golden1Knight

Well. If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble.

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Vote: Khaan

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Mason chat:

"Ok, Golden1Knight, this is the breadcrumb I'm using.

Sword = Knight
Seventeen = Where you appear on the player list
If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble = My mason partner's name is on this list

Three clues in one post directly after calling myself lock clear. That's the crumb. You can explain the crumb if I die and you need to prove you are the mason.

Oh, forgot the last one

The other names on that list are informal. Yours is spelled formally, indicating you're different from the others."

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Punisher let's be mason buddies this game. I promise I will never vote you and vice-versa.

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"This is me deliberately trying to get the mafia to murder Punisher instead of you, Golden1Knight.

I will breadcrumb that later on.

#Reminding myself to do this."

"288 references you, btw.

This should help people understand that Punisher is the ruse, you're the real mason."

Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Visor

the game is gonna be a town loss because zack died a villager and both of us are probably villagers

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‘Probably’ a villager?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

I'm not. I am adamantly lynching someone because they are inactive cuz if we are wrong, there is no information gained.

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Eldrick

adamantly against*

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+++FREUDIAN SLIP DETECTED +++

So, seireikhaan went berserk when we tried to lynch GH, for whom I am still voting and who hasn't yet explained himself.
Then (post #616)
Like I said earlier, willing to give GH some time to warm up and see where he goes. I liked and respect the post he did about building up slower than usual.
Why the reluctance? Are you two lovers by any chance?

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Tak is the strongest read I have at the moment, but that said it is not all that strong. vote: El Takibarto If you think he is scum then you should vote for him.

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I don't think I'm scum so I amn't voting for me. Does that help in any way?