This is straight-up false and poorly conceived.Quote:
because no mafia gets run up in close wagons like that, when presumably they could have just moved the wagons to one of the other players
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This is straight-up false and poorly conceived.Quote:
because no mafia gets run up in close wagons like that, when presumably they could have just moved the wagons to one of the other players
thats kinda out of contextQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
you have to take the whole point, not just that bit.
That's most of your post, but maybe I missed some understanding. What is "noot"?
True, assuming that there is a village vig. It also assumes there is no mechanism the scum have to prevent a night kill. Normal scum teams won’t generally have this, but this is a Zack game. Roles also have “solid cover PMs where appropriate” so this could be a claim of a cover role, and not his actual role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
What would be helpful to all this is if @CrimsonFox is able to be online at the update time. He should post who he sent orders to kill immediately before the deadline. This way we can verify who his target was and see how that translates in the write-up, yet not give any time for others to react to the identification of his target before orders lock. This is the only way I can think of that he can prove his claim – and that would likely only be to prove that he has a killing ability, not necessarily that he is town aligned.
That's dangerously close to spreadsheeting.Quote:
What would be helpful to all this is if @CrimsonFox is able to be online at the update time. He should post who he sent orders to kill immediately before the deadline. This way we can verify who his target was and see how that translates in the write-up, yet not give any time for others to react to the identification of his target before orders lock. This is the only way I can think of that he can prove his claim – and that would likely only be to prove that he has a killing ability, not necessarily that he is town aligned.
I like it.
What is spreadsheeting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's how I roll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Keeping detailed notes/tracking the game in a spreadsheet. It can help to solve the game through analysis. Controversial in its actual use. I tend to be too lazy to actually do it these days, but in a larger game where everyone has a role it is a quite useful tool to remember everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Also, keeping track of all the information can be a bit of a pain in the, er, ass.
Have you never watched Futurama, meatbag?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101Why do you want Riedquat to live? He doesn't seem that town right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
There's something off with Stork's strange uncoöperativeness. His chip needs readjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I don't. That's why I put in that question mark. It's used to express doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Guilty as charged. That's why I sorta-apologised earlier for not roleplaying.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
So here goes in the hope of enlightening your puny brain. Thank my shiny metal ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101Guilty as charged. That's why I sorta-apologised earlier for not roleplaying.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Consider your shiny metal ass thanked.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Bart is town for this great use of a dieresis.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
My shiny metal ass appreciates this. Wait, it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
It's spelled ‘diæresis’, and I am obviously town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelican
Ok, so reads wise right now I like Pelican for having generally solid ideas that are logical. Past that, Cuthillius looks like wrong town, I still kind of dislike stork's extremely brief responses, and I really don't like general's seemingly random tunneling on me around lynch time. I am not a fan of El Barto's posts so far due to how none of his posts feel like they make a case himself, and instead he just jumps onto whatever wagon looks half decent while posting random jokes, but if that is how he normally plays as village I will let it slide for at least one more day. Visor frustrates me, his short posts with definite accusations that have no discernible logic behind them make him seem like mafia just trying to make a case on anyone, but again, if that is how he plays as village then I'm not sure what I'm meant to do because I have nothing to read him on. Winston doesn't feel that great to me right now, his posts again feel a bit non-committal. Novice has kind of fallen off of my radar right now, and no one else has really posted enough for me to have a read on them
For the record, I play as this when scum as well. Someone show the kid the graph.
He can be more subdued as scum.
I say El Barto is more crazy when town. When he starts making sense, it's a scumtell.
How dare you accuse me of making sense, meatbag? My shiny bending ass is offended.
Joke, I ain't offended yet.
neutralQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Then why don't you post in English? Is your database corrupted?
Night One is over. DO NOT POST.
https://i.imgur.com/L7aGFBg.png
https://i.imgur.com/nZN1C3L.png
Smitty: "Reported homicide in this area!"
https://i.imgur.com/X7YFYfv.png
URL: "Suspect found, hot in pursuit."
https://i.imgur.com/nZN1C3L.png
Smitty: "Suspect is armed and dangerous! Wait! Suspect is dead!"
https://i.imgur.com/X7YFYfv.png
URL: "Suspect was the victim?"
https://i.imgur.com/nZN1C3L.png
Smitty: "Suspect is nowhere to be found. I think our job here is done."
https://i.imgur.com/X7YFYfv.png
URL: "Oh, yeah."
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"Thanks, I appreciate that. Nah, I'm joshing with you, that was quite annoying!" - El Barto
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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It is now Day Two.
Voting ends in: (note the early deadline, 3pm US Eastern)
Alive: 20
Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
BSmith
Choxorn
CrimsonFox
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Newyn
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
seireikhaan
Stork
Visor
Winston Hughes
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Lynched: 1
d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
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Killed: 1
n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
You may now post.
My metal ass don't shine no more. Wait, it does. It's just dead. this is the voice of Flexo's backup system, broadcasting live from Mom's storage facilities
Thought you'd get Bender, didn't ya, fools?
takhsis getting that role is the worst thing imaginable
Good thing I'm not takhsis but El Barto!Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
Heheheheheheheheh
Just realised I forgot a couple, Crimson is town and Mont is null.
Crimson? Your kill?
Crimson claims to be a vigilante but doesn't kill anyone (or so he says) and someone (else?) kills me. Not cool, bro. Why wouldn't the mafia attack the vig?
vote: CrimsonFox . He had tons to say during day but nada when he could have proven his claim? I still don't trust his claim. Did you kill Barto? If so, why and what happened to the mafia kill?
One kill means something isnt adding up here.
Actually, good point. They probably just think he will be lynched easily because of how suspicious people thought he looked yesterday and the thing you just mentioned. Or I'm WIFOMing, but I'll take that risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
How do you figure? How can we differentiate between whether the killer here was a Vig or an SK or whatever, as opposed to Mafia? Unless these are soft hints from beyond the grave...?Quote:
Crimson claims to be a vigilante but doesn't kill anyone (or so he says) and someone (else?) kills me. Not cool, bro. Why wouldn't the mafia attack the vig?
As BSmith hinted anyway during the night, the Mafia could skip a kill to try framing Crimson. Straightforward enough. But why would Crimson kill Bart? Seems like a waste...
Are you suggesting the mafia held their shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Ah, nevermind, xposted.
And I see what was wrong with Bart's post. He mentioned Crimson claiming not to have killed last night, but in fact Crimson has not yet posted. So Bart's post can be disregarded.
You callin' me soft? I'll kill you! Kidding, I can't. My arms are back there with my former body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
My point exactly. Doesn't make sense, boyo. And didn't a lot of people say it made no sense for him to claim then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
He claimed during the night that he probably wouldn't kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Not exactly, but let's wait to hear the news.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
dp101 and bsmith likely wolves then right?
or we had v/v/v/v wagons day 1
wolves probably not killing el barto because its pro-village
don't know why people assume that
What do you mean?Quote:
or we had v/v/v/v wagons day 1
Who assumes what now? Please be clearer in your writing.Quote:
wolves probably not killing el barto because its pro-village
don't know why people assume that
elbarto (confirmed v)/spaceman (confirmed v)/Crimson (likely v)/bsmith (unknown)Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
if they are all villagers people played pretty poorly overall day 1, could happen but seems less likely than one of them being a wolf
el barto assumes that he is dead by someone other than crimson foxQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
when it seems more likely fox shot him (since no scum faction would) and the scum kill was unused/blocked/prevented/etc.
Why am I a wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
i just kinda think you are a wolf rnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Ok, I thought you were using "v" as "villain". I'm not down with your profesh lingo.
As for Barto's death, my complaint would be that all indications were that Fox would choose to pursue a lynch of Bart over a kill, if either at this point. Can you find comments otherwise?
Well, the feeling was once mutual, and apparently is again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
the most simple answer is that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
he said he was thinking of shooting el barto
others suggested the same thing
there was one kill
el barto was unlikely to be killed by scum
el barto died
could be more convoluted, though obviously that will be evident when he comes to the thread and says something
if he wanted to lynch him because he thought he was scum there isn't really a reason to not just shoot him, given he can (presumably). More value killing him asap, gaining the information for the town, resolving the wagons etc.
why did you think i was a wolf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
why did you not think i was a wolf later?
and then why do you think i am a wolf now?
Early on I dislike your tone. Your really short responses and quiet start sounded to me like a mafia trying just barely to stay in as an active participant. Then, earlier today, when I made my post about how I felt that I really screwed up the lynch, for some reason you stuck in my mind as someone who was a voice of reason, probably because it was novice's criticism of me that made me realise I was an idiot, thus making me trust him, and he thought you were solid town. Now, you think crimson did the kill, which to me feels very odd given his (seemingly) pacifistic comments, how close El was to the lynch, and crimson IIRC not thinking that El was that scummy, on top of you thinking I am now a wolf for no reason. So there, that is my thoughts around you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
Who do you think killed el barto?
Yes, but he clearly had other scum leans, and he was rather vocal about them. He could probably expect you, novice, DP, and others to join or at least consider a Bart lynch.Quote:
if he wanted to lynch him because he thought he was scum there isn't really a reason to not just shoot him, given he can (presumably).
Also, he never explicitly said he would vig Bart, or anyone specific. His posts tapered off soon after the reveal.
should generally play for the team, not yourself as the vig imo
i learned that once
Checking in.
I agree that Barto probably wasn't a mafia kill due to him being lynchbait.
Checking out, 'night all.
:sad:Quote:
should generally play for the team, not yourself as the vig imo
i learned that once
So are you saying a Bart vig would be for the team, or for vendetta? And people once called me cryptic.
Looking back at Crimson's posts, he actually speaks almost entirely for brief and vague comments about BSmith and GH (early on), sniping at Bart, and reacting to his own wagon. Still...
No clue. Kind of leaning to scum to frame crimson, but we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
Vote: choxorn
its for the team because it gives information about how the eod played out, information about the people that voted el barto, information about el bartos readsQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
if he had of shot off wagon and hit a vt, the info gained would be worth far less
well thats dumb lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
No. You know the saying "two birds with one stone?" If there's valuable information to be obtained from flips, then you force a secondary flip through your vig and then lynch the primary candidate who's lined up anyway. This strategy is the most appropriate, all the more so when it's the first night.Quote:
its for the team because it gives information about how the eod played out, information about the people that voted el barto, information about el bartos reads
if he had of shot off wagon and hit a vt, the info gained would be worth far less
Why frame instead of kill him? O.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Because there is a possibility of town doctors believing his claim and protecting him, and also it wastes the lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
but now we get to play a whole day without having to wonder about el bartos alignment, which we already did yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
:confused:Quote:
el bartos alignment, which we already did yesterday
And so now we will search for another lynch candidate, about whose alignment we will wonder. This clearly gives town less absolute information then the approach I outlined.
yeah but we have more information for a longer amount of timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
and in this information centric text based game i think thats reasonably valuable
we can discuss the specific gto approach of it at some other point, i think your approach has merit though so does mine
:shrug:
crimson is self resolving anyway
i wouldn't worry about it
Keeping in mind that I want to start the day by following up on one of my reads from last night, I don't like the present conversation between Monty and Stork. I don't really understand why anyone's speculating on the kill and Crimson's role in it until he shows up to comment himself. The stork-Monty interaction right now specifically seems to hit on the same thing that was bugging me about Monty yesterday, that being his generality. It feels like he drifts from commenting on the current situation into more general talk about town strategy. Stork's a participant too I guess, but Stork also fairly consistently makes specific reads with some degree of commitment and I feel like with Monty there's a lot of commentary without committing to anything.
So I'll Vote: Montyto start and check back in the morning to see what's going on.
I can't have commitment to specifics without something to believe in.
I disagree, but it's a distraction anyway as Pelican points out. I will say though that El Barto was by no means lined up for a lynch. Him flipping VT as the only death is a great N1 result for town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Very good. I'll lend you my vote. Vote: Montmorency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelican
Don't like BSmith eiher.
Dp101 is all over the place now. Too wrong to be scum? Cuthilius and the one who agreed wholeheartedly, what is your tone read of Dp101 now?
[QUOTE=novice;2053713745]
Very good. I'll lend you my vote. Vote: Montmorency.
Don't like BSmith eiher.
Dp101 is all over the place now./QUOTE]
Agree with all this, Vote: Montmorency because of his unwillingness to get stuck in the discussion and take/make a stand. Your appraisal of me as all over the place is pretty much how I feel about my own play right now.
Oh god, I screwed up the tags. Should be obvious when they end though.
DP is still lock town in my books and shall continue to be.
I think Stork is a bit wolfish for "dp and bsmith likely wolves then"
a bit more shade than necessary
visor could be scum
i don't like his behavior before eod
Vote:Stork
I dinna kill no oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
because maybe they are wolves spewing forth shade on top of me? (or 3p)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelican
because vig's usually kill lots of villas probably esp day oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
maybe my scum reads were totally offtrack day one
i was scumreading elbarto a lot yesterday tho...but then they (i guess) killed him.
which makes me scratch my head. if they left me alive cause they expected me to kill him they probably wouldn't kill him themselves.
so maybe they thought i'd kill someone else instead.
also ya know...they could kill a vig...or maybe they didn't believe me or even if they believed me...they might have gone seer hunting.
why is el barto talking?