Sorceror 17er Game Thread

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Originally Posted by ladd

couple of zack's post overnight actually gave me the FEAR

1) calling cuth out for asking too many questions felt level 0

2) the monty push

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this is the post i was talking about. like no offense but this seems kind of, well... dumb. :hide: do you really believe this? these two things are giving you the FEAR, seriously?

the cuth post was not very serious (and i thought that was clear given how it was presented, but maybe not)

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Originally Posted by zack

cuth is asking too many questions

he's been moved to sightly below null

make your own content bronana :furious3:

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I'm finding it hard to believe ladd saw this post and thought holy crap, zack might be a wolf!!!

#things that didnt happen

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Originally Posted by ladd

can you write a couple of sentences on who you'd lunch right now and why

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

You.

Because of *Spins wheel* Prejudice. Wait no that's not right.

Because I feel like you haven't evaluated my slot at any point after you made your "Reading backwards is a wolf tell" read which is both not a read I believe is accurate and also a weak as fuck first read.

Monstr for the weak approach and being there in a meh capacity. Also the post about trying more as wolf pings badly on my "But if I was wolf I would" ping. (Yes, I do that as town. Shut up.)

Katze because I can't live with someone better than me at lyrical genius around.

I want to prelude that these reads are subject to change with revision and half of them are jokes.

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Originally Posted by ladd

i gotta have the highest omgus per push STATS on MU

but thanks anyway

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

If you can't beat em, join em.

Vote: ladd

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is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

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Originally Posted by katze

im trying to figure out a way to word this in a way that isnt loaded but...

is there any indication of this being a thought you had before newcomb posted it

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if I say this was a good katze post, will you take me off the bottom of your list? :pirate2:

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Cuth looked better pretty much every post they made after my initial post suspecting them

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Originally Posted by Cape90

why does mafia make this post literally ever?

I also like these two posts. Okay and this post too ;)

Not to mention they had these similar reads to me.

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see, this is the kind of sequence I like

it shows that he was thinking about the game and people's alignments behind the scenes, and was able to quickly prove it with receipts. Didn't make some grandiose post(s) in the thread announcing his switch on Cuth, but gave a solid earthy explanation of what changed his read when asked.

that said if cuth is a wolf it maybe looks bad for cape

like I said earlier, I could be wrong on Cape but he keeps posting thiings that I find villagy and I'm not seeing the issue with his posts

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Originally Posted by zack

I'm finding it hard to believe ladd saw this post and thought holy crap, zack might be a wolf!!!

#things that didnt happen

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i saw that post and your monty push

you don't really push lhf like you did monty as a villager ime, in fact I think 1 of yours (and visor actually) biggest villa tells is that you tend to see the "what if they are a vilager angle" of the so called easy mislunches, like you are doing with cape for example (regardless of whether or not he is a villager)

you going after monty was spooky, then I saw the other orgers thought he was a wolf too so maybe I was missing some meta but from a quick skim of 2 of his games he seems like a perfectly competent wolf so i dont realy see whats up

but i guess I overstimated how much you believe both your monty wolf read on yrou stuff wrt cuth

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Originally Posted by zack

is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

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update on the STATS

people i "suspected": 4

people who think i am a wolf for reasons related to that: 3

people who havent checked in yet after i suspected them: 1

i am batting a solid 75%, maybe a chance to go for 100% even

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Originally Posted by Sleep

im going to slice this first post backwards, for no other reason than i want to save the part i feel strongest about for last, although all of it bothers me

okay, so, a lot of cape's early posting can be summed up as "doesn't get jokes". now, not getting jokes isn't inherently wolfy. but take note of the verbiage here - "a little odd". not only is it hedgy it stops short of actually making a call on my alignment - "odd" does not equate to "wolfy", townies can be "odd". it's a little thing but often wolves tend to avoid directly actually calling anything wolfy.

additionally he says katze's response seems "justified" - what parts of that post seem justified? it's...an obvious joke about voting "sleep" to take a nap. it's messing around, there's

again, not getting a joke is not a crime in and of itself but it doesn't seem to me like he's actually reading what is being said in a critical way

now, running back in time 5 seconds, we have another instance of cape not getting a fairly obvious joke

the problem here is he's only responding to this post with a cookie-cutter, broad brushstroke argument - "busywork". what parts of that post seem like busywork? we don't know, because cape doesn't respond to any of the content within. to me this looks like he's making reads based on form rather than content, which is again wolfy because it's a sign that he's not actually reading the game critically - if he had actually tried to engage with any of the "points" zack made in that post i'd be willing to give credit for being tryhardy even if he missed an obvious joke. but as it is, it doesn't look like he actually tried to meaningfully evaluate the stuff zack was saying, because I think if anyone puts more than two seconds of thought into reading his words they'd say "oh, this is an obvious joke".

as it is, it looks like he saw that it looked like a post by post analysis list and decided to call it busy work and shade it. he didn't stop to actually read it.

this part here is just...super wolfy? "hey guys, surprised no one is calling this wolfy, i mean i dont, but you might?". it's such a bizzre comment to make, like he's tossing out a bit of bait to see if someone will bite, but keeping his own distance from it. the problem is this: if he doesn't believe that sort of thing is a meaningful tell, why bring it up at all?

it just doesn't read like a natural thought at all. when someone doesn't think a post is alignment indicative, they typically don't talk about it. but here he's simultaneously trying to shade the post and distance himself from it. i dont get the sense this is something said by someone who is trying to find wolves.

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"i don't see it" in response to an early wolfread push. not inherently bad in and of itself, but it is the kind of thing wolves frequently say in the earlygame - being dismissive of early wolfreads is an easy way to fake content, because all they have to do is disagree with people. wolves rarely are the type to lead a charge on someone so they'll often hold back when someone makes a stretchy case in the early game

i can sense some people probably rolling their eyes at this, and that's fine, it's a very minor point but i still wanted to discuss it because it pinged me. like i said, by itself this isn't a strong point at all because it can easily be said by a villager, but within the body of work i find it problematic.

says nothing, does nothing.

what, exactly, is there to like about this post? it's kind of generically agreeable in that it makes a point about how to play the game, and I agree that some forward momentum is preferable to a tepid, stagnant game, but it doesn't actually give me feelings on newcomb's alignment one way or the other. and again the verbiage of "in a sort of random way" is another statement that doesn't really do anything except to soften the read that follows.

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first point, he "doesn't like" a read. but does it mean anything for ladds alignment? he doesn't bother to say. it's easy to agree or disagree with things other people say, but what is harder is to generate your own analysis and thoughts. and what we have is that he is "sort of villagery" (again, more soft language) for "actually the same reasons", which...doesn't make sense at all? it doesn't actually meaningfully address the points ladd is making. why is he villagery for mostly responding to things or "posting just to post"? it's a totally half-baked response, there's nothing in cape's posts that gives a real indicator of why he thinks ender is villagery.

This is a very pedantic sort of dismissal to ender that doesn't really engage with the substance of the argument being made at all. "you said he was putting it forward as if it was a deep read, but it was on one post so it can't be deep at all". which, okay, but he very clearly meant it as a serious read, and cape selectively cuts off the latter parts of his post where ender gets into the more elaborate parts of his thinking about how wolves sometimes try to get too serious too early and hard switch. it doesnt look like hes meaningfully evaluating or considering enders words, just blandly dismissing a point he feels is eay to shoot down. this looks like cape isnt actually trying to read neb or ender. it kind of feeds back into what i said earlier about wolves tending to spend a lot of time in the early game shooting down reads rather than trying to solve.

(fwiw, i did like nebjiamn trying to make a serious accusation early there, and i think the antsiness to move the game forward and disappointment at being engaged with is towny. i didnt really want to respond to the read at the time though because th read itself felt stretchy and it would be more useful to see how the person being accused responds to it rather than saying anything myself. i think dobbys response to it is fine for now. i dont agree with enders take that it could be a wolf play although i understand the reasoning)

this is maybe the most egregious instance of cape's hedgy verbiage - why qualify the read in this way? how can something almost look really wolfy?i can find it understandable only finding something slightly suspicious in the early game, but this just comes across like he's afraid to throw a punch. reads very unnatural. either it's really wolfy or it isn't.

that is to say nothing of how again this is an egregious misreading of katze's post - if he was actually paying attention he'd have noticed the second line talks about a "pasta" and i assume cape is at least familiar enough with the concept of "copypasta" to know what that means.

and again not getting smeone's inside joke is not a crime, but what this again demonstrates is that cape is not really reading posts critically, but selectively, picking and choosing things to comment on. he picks out the first and last lines to attack while missing the part that tells him the bottom part of the post is fake and therefore irrelevant.

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again with the verbiage heavy on qualifiers, cape can hardly make a read without distancing himself from it

and again he can't actually bring himself to say how the post was supposed to be an "attempt at doing something". he doesn't engage with the substance at all. zack called something like 90% of the posts to that point wolfy, which is obviously absurd. i dont...get the sense cape was actually reading or evaluating that post in a meaningful way, just glossing it over and assuming it had to have been serious

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sleep seems to be making the most nefarious interpretations for ~everything cape says. even obvious wolves dont do as many wolfy things as sleep is accusing cape of doing in 12 hours

tbh knowing who sleep is would help a ton and its kinda lame to sign up on an alt in a game like this

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i read over capes response to my wallpost and i really dont like it

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can you go in some detail on what exactly you really don't like?

Tally as of #570 (editing in)

3 Cape90 (Sleep, Katze, Winston)
3 Monty (Zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Monty, Hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 Hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (Nebjiamn)
1 Katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 Sleep (Ladd)

Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.

vote:sleep

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

With all love and respect, please don?t take this as dismissive, but I?m going to need your thoughts on these posts rather than just links to them because that tells me nothing and you?re putting all the onus on me to understand your 2nd strongest wolf read when I?ve already put them in a slightly good pile

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When they aren't doing absolutely nothing, their attempts at actually contributing to the game look like they could just be easily faked. Like the question they pose about them asking why you/ladd are slightly above null just look like posts I have seen mafia make

If I end up going over, just know I'm confident in my towncore this game

Very confident

My take on Mont is I don't really feel like they are that scummy, nor was their whole complaining about post count pop in thing really all that scummy. I feel like I'm a spicier vote. But I also think a scum Mont world is possible but honestly they feel like Misvote bait to me. Which I have seen thrown around about me but not them

Least confident wolf read by a long shot is ladd.

Knowing how hit or miss I can be 2 wolves are in my light towns and if there's a wolf somewhere in my towncore, it's benneh

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Gotta say the Mafia stalker can't expect to get much action in this setup. Like, the only thing it can track is the town sorceror, and there's no stopping the town sorceror's last action on N2 without pushing them D2, and there's little point to that. Watching the target of a sorceror is even more useless, since there's never going to be a strategy in pushing a compulsive suicide bomber.

I'm ready for my vesting.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Now that Zack's found us, it's getting to be over. He just has to oust one of us and coast on lock.

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vote : Montmorency

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Originally Posted by katze

"playerlist" is code for "katze" right



because we don't have enough information

i believe that voting to execute somebody on day 1 may accidentally kill an innocent villager, voting sleep means we will all have a nice nap and time to get information!

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

This has swayed and convinced me.

Vote: Sleep

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prolly a wolf in these 2, my money is on blade. rofl at katze pushing the "sleep vote vs sleep, the player" joke -intentionnally or not

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Cuth looked better pretty much every post they made after my initial post suspecting them

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such as...?

(im sure this is annoying because im being like a math teacher but u need to show ur work b/c im trying to understand ur process)

an aside but the notion that i would drop a wall case to "appear villagy" as wolf rather than because i wanted to push someone is p. funny. overthinking it. not sure it means anything for the ppl speculating on it (newcomb, katze), i just found it funny

@Sleep: do you go by another name on other forums? (sorry if u posted it already)

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Originally Posted by Cape90

why does mafia make this post literally ever?

I also like these two posts. Okay and this post too ;)

Not to mention they had these similar reads to me.

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ok i feel bad, i asked for examples assuming u werent posting any, didnt expect the examples to come later

- openwolfing is basically nai, i dont get why u would see a joke wolfclaim and go "a wolf never does this"

- what is it u like about those posts? for the first two hes asking some people some questions. the ones to ender are at least kind of pointed but im dubious u can feel theres a real sorting process going on there just based on those...

- for the third post, he writes a lot of words but im not sure it actually says a lot or makes much sense? like im not sure what point hes trying to make about "consensus" reads at all or why it matters? im not sure why hes trying to defend ladd by asking a rhetorical question to ender? ig my problem w/ that post is although hes asking stuff to kind of critique enders thought process, im not sure its really showing solving intent...

- wrt to the similar reads, fair enough ig

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Originally Posted by ladd

i didnt even know newcomb posted it

i actually thought of it before going to sleep when he made that post:




its the exact same thing i say as a wolf when trying to bury a villager and i thought cape answer was fine

hopefully thats enough proof for you, officer

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i mean thats literally a single line, i could have gone at length into why i didnt like it but it would mostly boil down to "tone", i sensed the rest of the thread likely had no appetite for a prolonged back and forth, and i wanted the chance to focus my attention on other things and not have cape spend all his time defendin himself to me. im still actively engaged in trying to sort him/other ppl, im not sure where u get the impression thats the only thing im doing

Some output from early reading: zack is prolly villa, cuth too. Cape90 feels like too. I see he is wagoned, hype to read about it tbh.

Benneh and newcomb exist, from what I read I prefer the guy going for a "off one post" wolf read on Dobby (Benneh) to the guy openly townreading him for it (newcomb) because TMI. But they are largely null rn. (on reread, I really don't know why I am posting about Benneh and Newcomb since it seems NAI... something something I can't articulate rn)



Also it's prolly best to get ride of Ender sooner than l8r.

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Originally Posted by zack

is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

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i don't think it would be the craziest thing, but i very much think ladd's Just a Villager here

i know you're not necessarily talking about #theheat but in this game specifically i don't expect many folks to be going super hard in the paint to justify their wolf reads against eachotehr, at least on d1.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Also, kind of squinting at Cape's talking about Mont as a "surprised nobody is talking about this cause usually people wolfread it" into saying they don't think that type of read works out very much.

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pretty much why I think he is villa. Inconsistencies is > rand v

disclaimer: inconsistencies is not a player of this game.

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Originally Posted by ladd

tbh knowing who sleep is would help a ton and its kinda lame to sign up on an alt in a game like this

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is it really that much of an issue? i signed up with a different username beause haha funny vote sleep meme and its a new site, i figured

if its a ~problem~ i dont mind saying it but i significantly prefer playing as an unknown because i feel like it forces people to engage more honestly with the words in my posts rather than filtering it through some lens based on a preconceived identity they have attached to me, if that makes sense

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Originally Posted by ladd

can you go in some detail on what exactly you really don't like?

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before i go into that, i want to ask u this:

u seem to be confident cape is an obvious villager, so much so that ur defending him by attacking me. but the most reasoning i can find for WHY u think that is this:

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Originally Posted by ladd

for the rest of his posting, i am inclined to agree with you. he seems more like a villager who is posting whatever is on his mind and getting in trouble for it than a wolf

expect i dont really villa read him as strongly as you (seem to)

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and this is super vague and generic and doesnt really tell me anything about his actual content or why u like it. zack has a post like #565 where, ok, i can see the reasoning there, im not sure i agree, but i respect the thoughts, where with u i cant really figure out the reasoning or why ur so determined.

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Originally Posted by Sleep

is it really that much of an issue? i signed up with a different username beause haha funny vote sleep meme and its a new site, i figured it wouldnt be that big a deal

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EBWOP

really need to self-edit more

I am proud to announce sleep is an alt of

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ur mum

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nah it's

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sorry I will tell it l8r if he agrees :hide:

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Gloomhaven took longer than expected.

But alright lemme just sort this game properly instead of joking around.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Think Zack's post about Newcomb not feeling robotic makes sense to me and I'm cool rolling with both as light town reads for day 1

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Sunbae, was your read on Zack solely based on that comment or did you have other reasons you didn't post?

i still have concerns on newc that maybe kind of align with katze's (part of why i v read katze highly here), but maybe they don't.

i don't want to harp on this too much, because i am extremely unlikely to be able to get newcomb lunched today and even if I could, i wouldn't, as several other of my village reads are saying he's a villager but i at least want my thoughts out in the open

i feel like newc's had a lot of floaty type of posts that could be either alignment but he's also had 2 IMO weak, stretchy type accusations/pokings that made me turn my head.

the first was his response to katze's wolf reading of him and OMGUSing, painting a world wherein katze's internalized a very niche attribute about newcomb's reputation and that katze decided to use that in order to convey a wolf read on him and get credit for it, only for newcomb to become fully aware of this ingrained notion and reverse it on katze in this moment doesn't strike me as very convincing as a thought from v!newcomb.

i realize this is simplifying the totality of newc's read/response but the other parts (katze appearing performative in the read/not conveying a great reason for it) are things that i do believe from newc's POV but i happen to just disagree with from my own about katze's motives and things that I think i vibe with katze on that i can't really convey myself about the rest of/previous newc posts.

the other one is newcomb's post toward csargo about the inclusion of rask. this, for me, is not as big of a thing as the katze stuff, and i realize this wasn't even a full blown (or even half blown?) wolf read of csrago, more clarification, but the levels to decipher that inclusion just gives me creepy vibes/coming from a nefarious pov.

having said all that, newcomb is newcomb and is probably just right on lots of stuff that i'm not even seeing or aware of while i sit around barking up a tree that bears no fruit

First of all:

Sleep is probably town. There is a minor assumption that probably isn't good but the nitpicky right off the bat is kinda rand!town IMO and I've just liked their content overall.

It was a fun wagon at the start and the memes were great, but honestly like I would not vote there any time soon.

On the other hand, I have reasons to believe this might be Cape's towngame. Or at least that he does several of the things he's being poked about as both alignments. I recently sussed them hard for a similar game and they were green that game.

Caveat that I haven't actually read a wolf game of theirs.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i still have concerns on newc that maybe kind of align with katze's (part of why i v read katze highly here), but maybe they don't.

i don't want to harp on this too much, because i am extremely unlikely to be able to get newcomb lunched today and even if I could, i wouldn't, as several other of my village reads are saying he's a villager but i at least want my thoughts out in the open

i feel like newc's had a lot of floaty type of posts that could be either alignment but he's also had 2 IMO weak, stretchy type accusations/pokings that made me turn my head.

the first was his response to katze's wolf reading of him and OMGUSing, painting a world wherein katze's internalized a very niche attribute about newcomb's reputation and that katze decided to use that in order to convey a wolf read on him and get credit for it, only for newcomb to become fully aware of this ingrained notion and reverse it on katze in this moment doesn't strike me as very convincing as a thought from v!newcomb.

i realize this is simplifying the totality of newc's read/response but the other parts (katze appearing performative in the read/not conveying a great reason for it) are things that i do believe from newc's POV but i happen to just disagree with from my own about katze's motives and things that I think i vibe with katze on that i can't really convey myself about the rest of/previous newc posts.

the other one is newcomb's post toward csargo about the inclusion of rask. this, for me, is not as big of a thing as the katze stuff, and i realize this wasn't even a full blown (or even half blown?) wolf read of csrago, more clarification, but the levels to decipher that inclusion just gives me creepy vibes/coming from a nefarious pov.

having said all that, newcomb is newcomb and is probably just right on lots of stuff that i'm not even seeing or aware of while i sit around barking up a tree that bears no fruit

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... Well now my budding Newcomb case looks like I'm jumping on people sussing him. Lmao.

Oh also, Katze is town too. Lots of good head noddy posts from em. The snarky response about voting them out to Ladd was a meme about lyrical composition.

I should just put all the other reads together in one post.

But stretching them out for drama is fun.

But I'll do one post.

@hollowkatt: you can totally sheep me :2thumbsup:

w/r/t montmorency: i get what people are saying about him complaining about postcount and vanishing, it diminishes the early townping i had on him but im not sure it makes him lock wolf or anything, sometimes ghost a game for weird reasons. i did find it kind of odd that ladds conclusion was "i checked his wolf games and he has no trouble posting as a wolf" because my process was the exact oppoite: i checked the mass effect game from last year and he had no trouble keeping up with that game and giving reads as a villager despite it being significantly higher volume than this one (1k posts on day 1 and we arent close to that pace i dont think)

it feels like kind of backwards reasoning to run a comparison check against someones wolf meta first rather than checking their village games to see if it matches that

but anyway i think if the absence doesnt really fit either established meta for a person then its null to leanscum, but i dont really think voting out someone who hasnt really done anything is an ideal day 1 elim. if he keeps not contributing sure, but id rather give time to majke his alignment more clear

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Originally Posted by Cape90

When they aren't doing absolutely nothing, their attempts at actually contributing to the game look like they could just be easily faked. Like the question they pose about them asking why you/ladd are slightly above null just look like posts I have seen mafia make

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that's fair, i suppose

but i just tend to take it from a pov of: "if he's going to fake it now, would he really do it on a post about me/ladd being above null and not something more reactive?"

for me the arrow pointed toward "nah" but if yours points elsewhere i can't really fault that. it seems believable that he'd be cocnerned about me and ladd's placement from A Player He Knows with Experience with Us while he's reading us not so favorably

zack
Honestly, my read on Zack keeps changing. I have felt irked by his constant susses on me, but have agreed with some of his other content. Very much a wibbly wobbly timey wimey read.

nebjiamn
Is have liked their content. Also their initial reactions to the waves I pushed their way have been okay.

cuthillius
They are doing a lot of questioning that doesn't appear to have a point to me? Like especially the way they did the questioning of me. It felt very much like a "Questioning gotcha" where they kept poking for ways to twist words. I'll quote this stuff later.

Ladd
Case pending to an office near you.

Winston Hughes
I like Winston. No particular reasons. Also Winston's early posting like this doesn't ring any alarm bells so meh.

Raskolnikov
??? Where this slot is.

Newcomb
Maybe a case coming to a thread near you soon.

Csargo
There's a black hole on my read here.

EnderWiggin
Obvious scum pls.

Sunbae
I like the vibe. I was pressing earlier to see what he would react when I tried to force him to make a reason up. The whole "Fuck you I give no reason" response was actually what I was hoping for so.

Montmorency
I feel like there's an aura of general sus on Monty. Which generally tends towards being a town thing early. Usually the scum have others defending them in a sideways enough manner that they don't become so thread general.

Dobby
Idk. Free elf probably? I remember like 0 of their posts.

monstrbro
Weak. Like I haven't seen anything from them that feels like a solid take that holds water.

hollowkatt
Their treatment of me is bad. But also I just pocketed them hard as wolf twice in a row. So I'm willing to believe it might just be a river of paranoia remnant.

Midnight is beating me. When did I become so weak.

Most of the people putting me in their wolfreads are villagers

That being said I still think hollowkat's post about me "saying spicy things for the sake of it" isn't a real thought

At this point though I think over half the game has called me a wolf and if there's not a wolf in there I would be literally floored lmao

vote: EnderWiggin

A lot of accepting consensus this game from my perspective

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vote: EnderWiggin

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I don't hate it, not one of the villagiest people that's been wolfreading me

I'll put it this way, the way I see it there are people who are trying to say they have no idea what alignment I am and then people who are trying to push me like it's a foregone conclusion

Anyway I'll have more to say later I intend to not care about this game so I'm only gonna play like 3x a day

Just vote Ender before leaving though.

When you come back, we will talk about your sense of consensus and also willingness to AtE at 2 votes :) (I am kinda wording this as a joke, but when I have read your content I may come back to this)

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Just vote Ender before leaving though.

When you come back, we will talk about your sense of consensus and also willingness to AtE at 2 votes :) (I am kinda wording this as a joke, but when I have read your content I may come back to this)

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What's got you on my case Raskol?

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Just vote Ender before leaving though.

When you come back, we will talk about your sense of consensus and also willingness to AtE at 2 votes :) (I am kinda wording this as a joke, but when I have read your content I may come back to this)

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Explain how that was AtE or I vote you

Are you trying to make me look bad? What part of that was appealing to emotion

I honestly almost don't care and want to vote you anyway because I'm sick of things like that

I don't care about this game

Thats not ate

If you think this is AtE then perhaps get a class on emotions and their uses

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Most of the people putting me in their wolfreads are villagers

That being said I still think hollowkat's post about me "saying spicy things for the sake of it" isn't a real thought

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well u do u but when u post "spicy" because someone outs a light townread 3 pages into the game pretending noone has been, it can certainly raise questions. I don't think you think HK didn't think it, really. if you are villa, relax, otherwise keep going :bow:

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Explain how that was AtE or I vote you

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LMAO

you should have a glass of water and calm down

vote: raskolnikov

See you mid day

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you should have a glass of water and calm down

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Actually see you after EoD now

I'm so sick of this

Having emotions is not ate

I'm about to get mad for real

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Feels off to me

Caveat I don't think I know you that well

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monstr, do you know who sleep is?

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How about all of you go die in a fire

Mafia is the dumbest fucking game in existence

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monstr, do you know who sleep is?

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I don't care

I hate them as a person

my unquantified gut level impression of ender is that he seems pretty villagery and i dont rly get why hes being piled onto still, i didnt mind him being pressured early for "vibes" reasons becase thats how the early game goes but since then hes seemed decently solvy, does someone have, like...a snappy argument for why theyre wolf reading him

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How about all of you go die in a fire

Mafia is the dumbest fucking game in existence

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hey dude, i love you and appreciate you. let's just talk about the game and not this other stuff

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I hate all of you on a deep and personal level that goes outside the game and I wish bad things on every one of you goodnight

i'm sorry you feel that way my dude

my last post stands and I hope you feel better. please feel free to DM me after the game if you want to talk

that was way over the top and unnecessary imho and i dont really want to deal with that stuff so im just not going to interact with or deal with monstr at all anymore, sorry

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What's got you on my case Raskol?

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your posting obviously

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my unquantified gut level impression of ender is that he seems pretty villagery and i dont rly get why hes being piled onto still, i didnt mind him being pressured early for "vibes" reasons becase thats how the early game goes but since then hes seemed decently solvy, does someone have, like...a snappy argument for why theyre wolf reading him

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maybe. I am up to page 7 (also read the last 3 pages live) and didn't see it still. Maybe it will come. Also I felt the urge to vote that read list lol.

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maybe. I am up to page 7 (also read the last 3 pages live) and didn't see it still. Maybe it will come. Also I felt the urge to vote that read list lol.

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ig if youre only on page 7 its understandable

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that was way over the top and unnecessary imho and i dont really want to deal with that stuff so im just not going to interact with or deal with monstr at all anymore, sorry

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I agree.

I just wrote a paragraph (imagine, several sentences from me) to get Monstr to better feelings but imo it's not going to happen rereading the last posts lmao.

sadities. We should just blame HK for it. we will

NEWCOMB CASE (Unless I get to the end of this and delete it because I realise my read is shit.)

First four posts are just memes and questions that are irrelevant to gamestate. The whole "Names from another forum" is mildly sus but for the purpose of this case I will assume them all to be completely NAI as they're irrelevant.

#55

This partially reads as a buddying attempt, but also it was less than 2 hours in a slowish phase and only 10ish other posts between the two. It feels like an effort to make it look like a big thing over not much. Albeit this is mildly uncharitable.

#59

This is where I start slightly nursing a sus, but it's weak as fuck and mostly just dislike of the reaction. It does a lot to try over-explaining his like of Benneh's "Starting the game". In fairness, though, my kneejerk reaction is kinda over the top so I'm not going to weigh this as harshly as I want to. It can read as over-explainy for a simple opinion (which is the trap I tried to make Sunbae fall into) but it could also be reaction to my bad reaction.

#173

Small question, not much I'm saying here. Doesn't look amazing or bad, kinda NAI.

#178

I admit I actually like this post. Partially because it's about me. Partially because it would be easy for a wolf to go along with this.

#189

This one is just fair.

I skip the next post for meme reasons.

#194

This is such a nothing post. Mildly wolfy in the "Saying something for the sake of it rather than to progress thread" kinda way.

#199

More nothing posts.

#206

At this point tbh this read contributes very little to discussion, seems obvious, and looks like solving without actually giving much info. This is definite a nosedive as so far Newcomb hasn't actually contributed to town at all.

He does note it as not impactful but anyway.

#208

Something something jumping on other people's reads tell.

#213

While I agree with the sentiment, this is a very strong reaction and a continuation of Newcomb's contributions not being difficult or complex.

#218

This is probably the most meaty read Newcomb has made at this point. Which feels pretty thin lined. I don't agree with the read but I don't find it inherently wolfy so better than previous posts.

#224

If I squint this is buddying.

But also it's NAI.

#239

This is a sudden switch on to Katze, via purely omgus reasons.

There's a lot of words he puts around it to make it seem better, but it's a slide back into low effort content for wolfy.

#244

This is probably my favourite wolf ping. It's not a wolf tell by itself but wolves often feel the need to over-justify weak reads. No one would've blinked at the OMGUS without an in depth explanation, but Newcomb felt the need to justify it.

#278

NAI post.

#280

This post just rankles at me. It's all like "Buddying???" about people they haven't strongly townread. Feels like the start of a pocket attempt.

#328

Another case of a weak post about pocketing. Self-referentials about pocketing is actually surprisingly often made by people literally pocketing.

#343

This is just literally undermining a possible village thought about someone starting to trend towards consensus townread. Also the first time that Newcomb has even thought about Sleep. The previous interactions have mostly been in context of how people are reading Cape.

#389

First meaty post from Newcomb and it is a strong reaction to Katze talking about how Newcomb talks around people he susses.

The query about Cape vs Sleep is fine.

I don't exactly like this post but I'd be stretching to call this wolfy fmpov

#489

Meme NAI.

#494

THIS feels opportunistic. I'll note he explicitly says "Ladd's worldview fits mine most." and those reads came after ladd had already said them.

(Also if this is wolf this probably clears Ladd which means I was just hissy fitting at Ladd over a sus on me which is kinda lol but anyway.)

Like at this point he's basically saying that he walked up to a wolf!ladd and jumped right into that pocket himself.

But doing that weird thing where he's explicitly had a sideways sus on Sunbae but also "vibing" with Sunbae's thoughts in a pockety manner.

Like this is the "OMG ME TOO" moment of pocketing.

#506

Man, Sunbae seems to be important to interact with for Newcomb..........

#515

This is another really specific question.

I want to say Rask/Newcomb w/w vibes but maybe I'm jumping the gun a little there.

#530

Again, nothing particularly outstanding.

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I was half worried I'd get like half an hour into this case and realise it was towny but no.

No.

I'd say this is definitely my strongest wolf read right now.

Go read through the posts and then NewComb's ISO. I will happily take criticism on this if you have it, but I kinda believe myself on this one.

Vote: Newcomb

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maybe. I am up to page 7 (also read the last 3 pages live) and didn't see it still. Maybe it will come. Also I felt the urge to vote that read list lol.

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Well Rip me trying to out my reads and thoughts then.

Like, nothing Newcomb has put in thread has been outstanding and none of his reads feel very much like they're sticking beyond what they need.

I had two other ISOs I wanted to do but it's closing on 1am and I'm debating just sleeping and thinking about it before EOD.

im looking at this now but can you kind of give me a summary/thesis of why you think he's a wolf rather than a bunch of points relating to individual posts?

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Like, nothing Newcomb has put in thread has been outstanding and none of his reads feel very much like they're sticking beyond what they need.

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sorry i should have refreshed before replying, this was what i wanted

ig the most concerning thing to me wrt newcomb is the way being pressured by katze seemed to stop him in his tracks

i didnt think the reaction itself was ai, because i can see it coming from either camp, either legitimate villager paranoia about a push or wolf getting on the defensive and trying to discredit their accuser, but what concerns me is that he mostly got wrapped up in biting back at katze and doesnt really have substantial/coherent thoughts on the rest of the thread, theres some stray commentary but it doesnt look like hes analyzing other people much or has reads he cares very much about


(i realize im also trending toward sussing the people who sus me, which is almost never correct, because, like, i doubt the entire wolf team tries to powerwolf onto me day 1 or w/e but thats just kind of where my mind goes rn)

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ig the most concerning thing to me wrt newcomb is the way being pressured by katze seemed to stop him in his tracks

i didnt think the reaction itself was ai, because i can see it coming from either camp, either legitimate villager paranoia about a push or wolf getting on the defensive and trying to discredit their accuser, but what concerns me is that he mostly got wrapped up in biting back at katze and doesnt really have substantial/coherent thoughts on the rest of the thread, theres some stray commentary but it doesnt look like hes analyzing other people much or has reads he cares very much about


(i realize im also trending toward sussing the people who sus me, which is almost never correct, because, like, i doubt the entire wolf team tries to powerwolf onto me day 1 or w/e but thats just kind of where my mind goes rn)

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I hadn't even thought of that. Can I sticky note that to my case?

I guess my biggest issue with NewComb is absolutely the way his reads don't seem to stick at all. Also a few times when I felt like he needed to justify himself.