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    Quote Originally Posted by nebjiamn View Post
    With all love and respect, please don?t take this as dismissive, but I?m going to need your thoughts on these posts rather than just links to them because that tells me nothing and you?re putting all the onus on me to understand your 2nd strongest wolf read when I?ve already put them in a slightly good pile
    When they aren't doing absolutely nothing, their attempts at actually contributing to the game look like they could just be easily faked. Like the question they pose about them asking why you/ladd are slightly above null just look like posts I have seen mafia make

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    If I end up going over, just know I'm confident in my towncore this game

    Very confident

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    My take on Mont is I don't really feel like they are that scummy, nor was their whole complaining about post count pop in thing really all that scummy. I feel like I'm a spicier vote. But I also think a scum Mont world is possible but honestly they feel like Misvote bait to me. Which I have seen thrown around about me but not them

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    Least confident wolf read by a long shot is ladd.

    Knowing how hit or miss I can be 2 wolves are in my light towns and if there's a wolf somewhere in my towncore, it's benneh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Gotta say the Mafia stalker can't expect to get much action in this setup. Like, the only thing it can track is the town sorceror, and there's no stopping the town sorceror's last action on N2 without pushing them D2, and there's little point to that. Watching the target of a sorceror is even more useless, since there's never going to be a strategy in pushing a compulsive suicide bomber.

    I'm ready for my vesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Now that Zack's found us, it's getting to be over. He just has to oust one of us and coast on lock.


    vote : Montmorency
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    Quote Originally Posted by katze View Post
    "playerlist" is code for "katze" right



    because we don't have enough information

    i believe that voting to execute somebody on day 1 may accidentally kill an innocent villager, voting sleep means we will all have a nice nap and time to get information!
    Quote Originally Posted by EnderWiggin View Post
    This has swayed and convinced me.

    Vote: Sleep


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    prolly a wolf in these 2, my money is on blade. rofl at katze pushing the "sleep vote vs sleep, the player" joke -intentionnally or not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    Cuth looked better pretty much every post they made after my initial post suspecting them
    such as...?

    (im sure this is annoying because im being like a math teacher but u need to show ur work b/c im trying to understand ur process)

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    an aside but the notion that i would drop a wall case to "appear villagy" as wolf rather than because i wanted to push someone is p. funny. overthinking it. not sure it means anything for the ppl speculating on it (newcomb, katze), i just found it funny

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    @Sleep: do you go by another name on other forums? (sorry if u posted it already)
    "Les plus désespérés sont les chants les plus beaux, et j'en sais d'immortels qui sont de purs sanglots." Alfred de Musset

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    why does mafia make this post literally ever?

    I also like these two posts. Okay and this post too ;)

    Not to mention they had these similar reads to me.
    ok i feel bad, i asked for examples assuming u werent posting any, didnt expect the examples to come later

    - openwolfing is basically nai, i dont get why u would see a joke wolfclaim and go "a wolf never does this"

    - what is it u like about those posts? for the first two hes asking some people some questions. the ones to ender are at least kind of pointed but im dubious u can feel theres a real sorting process going on there just based on those...

    - for the third post, he writes a lot of words but im not sure it actually says a lot or makes much sense? like im not sure what point hes trying to make about "consensus" reads at all or why it matters? im not sure why hes trying to defend ladd by asking a rhetorical question to ender? ig my problem w/ that post is although hes asking stuff to kind of critique enders thought process, im not sure its really showing solving intent...

    - wrt to the similar reads, fair enough ig

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladd View Post
    i didnt even know newcomb posted it

    i actually thought of it before going to sleep when he made that post:




    its the exact same thing i say as a wolf when trying to bury a villager and i thought cape answer was fine

    hopefully thats enough proof for you, officer
    i mean thats literally a single line, i could have gone at length into why i didnt like it but it would mostly boil down to "tone", i sensed the rest of the thread likely had no appetite for a prolonged back and forth, and i wanted the chance to focus my attention on other things and not have cape spend all his time defendin himself to me. im still actively engaged in trying to sort him/other ppl, im not sure where u get the impression thats the only thing im doing

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    Some output from early reading: zack is prolly villa, cuth too. Cape90 feels like too. I see he is wagoned, hype to read about it tbh.

    Benneh and newcomb exist, from what I read I prefer the guy going for a "off one post" wolf read on Dobby (Benneh) to the guy openly townreading him for it (newcomb) because TMI. But they are largely null rn. (on reread, I really don't know why I am posting about Benneh and Newcomb since it seems NAI... something something I can't articulate rn)



    Also it's prolly best to get ride of Ender sooner than l8r.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack View Post
    is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction?

    this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other
    i don't think it would be the craziest thing, but i very much think ladd's Just a Villager here

    i know you're not necessarily talking about #theheat but in this game specifically i don't expect many folks to be going super hard in the paint to justify their wolf reads against eachotehr, at least on d1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
    I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
    Also, kind of squinting at Cape's talking about Mont as a "surprised nobody is talking about this cause usually people wolfread it" into saying they don't think that type of read works out very much.
    pretty much why I think he is villa. Inconsistencies is > rand v

    disclaimer: inconsistencies is not a player of this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladd View Post
    tbh knowing who sleep is would help a ton and its kinda lame to sign up on an alt in a game like this
    is it really that much of an issue? i signed up with a different username beause haha funny vote sleep meme and its a new site, i figured

    if its a ~problem~ i dont mind saying it but i significantly prefer playing as an unknown because i feel like it forces people to engage more honestly with the words in my posts rather than filtering it through some lens based on a preconceived identity they have attached to me, if that makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd View Post
    can you go in some detail on what exactly you really don't like?
    before i go into that, i want to ask u this:

    u seem to be confident cape is an obvious villager, so much so that ur defending him by attacking me. but the most reasoning i can find for WHY u think that is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd View Post
    for the rest of his posting, i am inclined to agree with you. he seems more like a villager who is posting whatever is on his mind and getting in trouble for it than a wolf

    expect i dont really villa read him as strongly as you (seem to)
    and this is super vague and generic and doesnt really tell me anything about his actual content or why u like it. zack has a post like #565 where, ok, i can see the reasoning there, im not sure i agree, but i respect the thoughts, where with u i cant really figure out the reasoning or why ur so determined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleep View Post
    is it really that much of an issue? i signed up with a different username beause haha funny vote sleep meme and its a new site, i figured it wouldnt be that big a deal
    EBWOP

    really need to self-edit more

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    I am proud to announce sleep is an alt of
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    ur mum
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    nah it's
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    sorry I will tell it l8r if he agrees


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    Gloomhaven took longer than expected.

    But alright lemme just sort this game properly instead of joking around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae View Post
    Think Zack's post about Newcomb not feeling robotic makes sense to me and I'm cool rolling with both as light town reads for day 1
    Sunbae, was your read on Zack solely based on that comment or did you have other reasons you didn't post?
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    i still have concerns on newc that maybe kind of align with katze's (part of why i v read katze highly here), but maybe they don't.

    i don't want to harp on this too much, because i am extremely unlikely to be able to get newcomb lunched today and even if I could, i wouldn't, as several other of my village reads are saying he's a villager but i at least want my thoughts out in the open

    i feel like newc's had a lot of floaty type of posts that could be either alignment but he's also had 2 IMO weak, stretchy type accusations/pokings that made me turn my head.

    the first was his response to katze's wolf reading of him and OMGUSing, painting a world wherein katze's internalized a very niche attribute about newcomb's reputation and that katze decided to use that in order to convey a wolf read on him and get credit for it, only for newcomb to become fully aware of this ingrained notion and reverse it on katze in this moment doesn't strike me as very convincing as a thought from v!newcomb.

    i realize this is simplifying the totality of newc's read/response but the other parts (katze appearing performative in the read/not conveying a great reason for it) are things that i do believe from newc's POV but i happen to just disagree with from my own about katze's motives and things that I think i vibe with katze on that i can't really convey myself about the rest of/previous newc posts.

    the other one is newcomb's post toward csargo about the inclusion of rask. this, for me, is not as big of a thing as the katze stuff, and i realize this wasn't even a full blown (or even half blown?) wolf read of csrago, more clarification, but the levels to decipher that inclusion just gives me creepy vibes/coming from a nefarious pov.

    having said all that, newcomb is newcomb and is probably just right on lots of stuff that i'm not even seeing or aware of while i sit around barking up a tree that bears no fruit

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    First of all:

    Sleep is probably town. There is a minor assumption that probably isn't good but the nitpicky right off the bat is kinda rand!town IMO and I've just liked their content overall.

    It was a fun wagon at the start and the memes were great, but honestly like I would not vote there any time soon.

    On the other hand, I have reasons to believe this might be Cape's towngame. Or at least that he does several of the things he's being poked about as both alignments. I recently sussed them hard for a similar game and they were green that game.

    Caveat that I haven't actually read a wolf game of theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebjiamn View Post
    i still have concerns on newc that maybe kind of align with katze's (part of why i v read katze highly here), but maybe they don't.

    i don't want to harp on this too much, because i am extremely unlikely to be able to get newcomb lunched today and even if I could, i wouldn't, as several other of my village reads are saying he's a villager but i at least want my thoughts out in the open

    i feel like newc's had a lot of floaty type of posts that could be either alignment but he's also had 2 IMO weak, stretchy type accusations/pokings that made me turn my head.

    the first was his response to katze's wolf reading of him and OMGUSing, painting a world wherein katze's internalized a very niche attribute about newcomb's reputation and that katze decided to use that in order to convey a wolf read on him and get credit for it, only for newcomb to become fully aware of this ingrained notion and reverse it on katze in this moment doesn't strike me as very convincing as a thought from v!newcomb.

    i realize this is simplifying the totality of newc's read/response but the other parts (katze appearing performative in the read/not conveying a great reason for it) are things that i do believe from newc's POV but i happen to just disagree with from my own about katze's motives and things that I think i vibe with katze on that i can't really convey myself about the rest of/previous newc posts.

    the other one is newcomb's post toward csargo about the inclusion of rask. this, for me, is not as big of a thing as the katze stuff, and i realize this wasn't even a full blown (or even half blown?) wolf read of csrago, more clarification, but the levels to decipher that inclusion just gives me creepy vibes/coming from a nefarious pov.

    having said all that, newcomb is newcomb and is probably just right on lots of stuff that i'm not even seeing or aware of while i sit around barking up a tree that bears no fruit
    ... Well now my budding Newcomb case looks like I'm jumping on people sussing him. Lmao.

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    Oh also, Katze is town too. Lots of good head noddy posts from em. The snarky response about voting them out to Ladd was a meme about lyrical composition.

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    I should just put all the other reads together in one post.

    But stretching them out for drama is fun.

    But I'll do one post.

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    @hollowkatt: you can totally sheep me
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    w/r/t montmorency: i get what people are saying about him complaining about postcount and vanishing, it diminishes the early townping i had on him but im not sure it makes him lock wolf or anything, sometimes ghost a game for weird reasons. i did find it kind of odd that ladds conclusion was "i checked his wolf games and he has no trouble posting as a wolf" because my process was the exact oppoite: i checked the mass effect game from last year and he had no trouble keeping up with that game and giving reads as a villager despite it being significantly higher volume than this one (1k posts on day 1 and we arent close to that pace i dont think)

    it feels like kind of backwards reasoning to run a comparison check against someones wolf meta first rather than checking their village games to see if it matches that

    but anyway i think if the absence doesnt really fit either established meta for a person then its null to leanscum, but i dont really think voting out someone who hasnt really done anything is an ideal day 1 elim. if he keeps not contributing sure, but id rather give time to majke his alignment more clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 View Post
    When they aren't doing absolutely nothing, their attempts at actually contributing to the game look like they could just be easily faked. Like the question they pose about them asking why you/ladd are slightly above null just look like posts I have seen mafia make
    that's fair, i suppose

    but i just tend to take it from a pov of: "if he's going to fake it now, would he really do it on a post about me/ladd being above null and not something more reactive?"

    for me the arrow pointed toward "nah" but if yours points elsewhere i can't really fault that. it seems believable that he'd be cocnerned about me and ladd's placement from A Player He Knows with Experience with Us while he's reading us not so favorably

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    zack
    Honestly, my read on Zack keeps changing. I have felt irked by his constant susses on me, but have agreed with some of his other content. Very much a wibbly wobbly timey wimey read.

    nebjiamn
    Is have liked their content. Also their initial reactions to the waves I pushed their way have been okay.

    cuthillius
    They are doing a lot of questioning that doesn't appear to have a point to me? Like especially the way they did the questioning of me. It felt very much like a "Questioning gotcha" where they kept poking for ways to twist words. I'll quote this stuff later.

    Ladd
    Case pending to an office near you.

    Winston Hughes
    I like Winston. No particular reasons. Also Winston's early posting like this doesn't ring any alarm bells so meh.

    Raskolnikov
    ??? Where this slot is.

    Newcomb
    Maybe a case coming to a thread near you soon.

    Csargo
    There's a black hole on my read here.

    EnderWiggin
    Obvious scum pls.

    Sunbae
    I like the vibe. I was pressing earlier to see what he would react when I tried to force him to make a reason up. The whole "Fuck you I give no reason" response was actually what I was hoping for so.

    Montmorency
    I feel like there's an aura of general sus on Monty. Which generally tends towards being a town thing early. Usually the scum have others defending them in a sideways enough manner that they don't become so thread general.

    Dobby
    Idk. Free elf probably? I remember like 0 of their posts.

    monstrbro
    Weak. Like I haven't seen anything from them that feels like a solid take that holds water.

    hollowkatt
    Their treatment of me is bad. But also I just pocketed them hard as wolf twice in a row. So I'm willing to believe it might just be a river of paranoia remnant.

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    Midnight is beating me. When did I become so weak.

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