Casual 9er Game Thread

I have to go help the newbies so probably won't be back before close of day.

G'luck peeps.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

3. That's kind of like the whole "viewing people in terms of pushable vs not as the basis for the reads you're making" thing. Like I'm not sitting here breaking people into pushable or not categories, im just trying to figure out who is being wolfy or villagery. But you've got multiple instances where the lhf/pushability of people is at the forefront of your reads and i think its entirely possible its a mindstate issue where you *are* breaking people into that because you're trying to position yourself properly in the macro sense and it just bleeds through as logic for your other reads (like the one on me!).

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Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Hally

this bart post keeps nagging at me

afaict he?s wolf reading sunbae for his tone being off in a meme post? and then he describes the interactions between me/sunbae/vul and seems to arbitrarily decide there?s a wolf in us three but i don?t see what about the stuff he?s describing would lead him to think we can?t all be villagers

it just seems like kind of a nonsense reason for a vote, and this was after me/benneh/vul all wolf read sunbae in succession so it?s a good spot for a wolf to pile on with some half-baked reasoning thinking they?re unlikely to be looked at too hard for it

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Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.

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Originally Posted by Zack

@Hally can you talk about your read on rask more? is it just you think he is different from past wolf games?

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basically, and more specifically that i think it would be ballsy for zero-posting w!rask to push me and don’t remember him going after people like that when he was a wolf

i haven’t seen him wolf much though so i wouldn’t call it a strong read

tbh i’m getting skeeved out by how much he’s focused on me and not really developed reads on anyone else so idk

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Originally Posted by Zack

i apologize for killing the thread with such a momentous question

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sorry, had a brief chat with my partner to dismiss suss as effectively as possible

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.



Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.

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no, it’s not obvious at all

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I have to go help the newbies so probably won't be back before close of day.

G'luck peeps.

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ggwp

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Originally Posted by Hally

tbh i’m getting skeeved out by how much he’s focused on me and not really developed reads on anyone else so idk

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Nice shade. There are loads of people not developing reads (like almost anyone but Sunbae), but here you are.

a bunch of posts suddenly appearing a nanosecond before i posted the bump emote is classic

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Please, isn't it obvious that Sunbae-Hally need to TD? Look at this interesting reasoning.



Always a good process for catching Bart. Survivor of Sunbae-Hally should TD Bart.

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I'm not really following why you're basing who the lunch candidates shoudl be on other people's reads rather than your own. :juggle:

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Originally Posted by Hally

basically, and more specifically that i think it would be ballsy for zero-posting w!rask to push me and don’t remember him going after people like that when he was a wolf

i haven’t seen him wolf much though so i wouldn’t call it a strong read

tbh i’m getting skeeved out by how much he’s focused on me and not really developed reads on anyone else so idk

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he is skeeving me out a bit but no one else seems to really care, and I'm not sure why other than vague references to meta

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

sorry, had a brief chat with my partner to dismiss suss as effectively as possible

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understandable have a nice day

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Originally Posted by Hally

no, it’s not obvious at all

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I know Vulgard is being POEd, but I have my feelings about that, and there's no one slotted other than you two for D1, and moreover you Tdome together so well, which even you must admit.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

See, my thing with not knowing what to do about the Barto post is this:

If you didn't know that post about Hally was a copypasta mocking Rick and Morty fans, and you thought that I was saying that stuff with any semblance of sincerity, then I think voting me is well within your right - nay, your duty - because it's awful

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Wish he would stop harping on this, the initiative is in you saying "nothing personnel" = 'not on my team.'

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Nice shade. There are loads of people not developing reads (like almost anyone but Sunbae), but here you are.

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nah

Players Votes

Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I know Vulgard is being POEd, but I have my feelings about that, and there's no one slotted other than you two for D1, and moreover you Tdome together so well, which even you must admit.



Wish he would stop harping on this, the initiative is in you saying "nothing personnel" = 'not on my team.'

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i don’t know what your feelings about vul are, all you said is his posts are dense and they’re dense regardless of his alignment

we're probably wrong

i dont know how to fix that though

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Originally Posted by Hally

i don’t know what your feelings about vul are, all you said is his posts are dense and they’re dense regardless of his alignment

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Interesting, but it's too late to develop the field now. All that's left is to ISO him if he flips red.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

we're probably wrong

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:stare:

@Zack: because I am town. and it shows.

I don't think Hally has done much more than vulgard. But she got extremely defensive at several times today. Is here shading me and my vote for several hours now but can't find a potential suss on her own outside Tak (who she hasn't even pushed or he'd be about to die rn). :shrug:

sorry if wrong. glgl

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

we're probably wrong

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why do you think so

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Interesting, but it's too late to develop the field now. All that's left is to ISO him if he flips red.



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Originally Posted by Hally

why do you think so

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well, werewolf is an inherently probabilistic game

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Zack: because I am town. and it shows.

I don't think Hally has done much more than vulgard. But she got extremely defensive at several times today. Is here shading me and my vote for several hours now but can't find a potential suss on her own outside Tak (who she hasn't even pushed or he'd be about to die rn). :shrug:

sorry if wrong. glgl

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my sus on vulgard is literally what built his wagon

you keep saying stuff that’s just untrue

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Zack: because I am town. and it shows.

I don't think Hally has done much more than vulgard. But she got extremely defensive at several times today. Is here shading me and my vote for several hours now but can't find a potential suss on her own outside Tak (who she hasn't even pushed or he'd be about to die rn). :shrug:

sorry if wrong. glgl

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and yet you haven't posted a single napoleon dynamite gif

dont mess with rask tomorrow

maybe look at zack

Players Votes

Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)

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Originally Posted by Hally

my sus on vulgard is literally what built his wagon

you keep saying stuff that’s just untrue

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I do think if Ender weren't there you wouldn't smh

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

dont mess with rask tomorrow

maybe look at zack

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:stare:

:pokemon::laugh:

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

dont mess with rask tomorrow

maybe look at zack

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:bow:

glgl

day is over do not post

5 minutes for corrections

Players Votes

Vulgard 5 (Zack, Hally, nebjiamn, Sunbae, EnderWiggin)
Hally 2 (Raskolnikov, Vulgard)
nebjiamn 1 (El Barto)
Sunbae 1 (Montmorency)

Vulgard has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.

Day starts in 24 hours at 8pm Monday 25th of July.

Alive: (8/9)
1. Hally
2. Raskolnikov
3. Sunbae
4. nebjiamn
6. Montmorency
7. EnderWiggin
8. El Barto
9. Zack

Dead: (1/9)
5. Vulgard, Vanilla Town, died D1.

Raskolnikov has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.

Day ends in 48 hours at 8pm Wednesday the 27th of July.

Alive: (7/9)
1. Hally
3. Sunbae
4. nebjiamn
6. Montmorency
7. EnderWiggin
8. El Barto
9. Zack

Dead: (2/9)
5. Vulgard, Vanilla Town, died D1.
2. Raskolnikov, Vanilla Town, killed N1.

Day has started you may post.

weird kill

i think rask looked better from vul flipping town but even so, i don’t get why he dies unless it’s explicitly to make me look worse because he was tunneling me

for some reason that kill makes me think benneh is a wolf but i can’t really articulate why

@Sunbae

why'd you switch to vulgard?

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Originally Posted by Hally

i think rask looked better from vul flipping town but even so, i don’t get why he dies unless it’s explicitly to make me look worse because he was tunneling me

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lvl 1 NKA says barto looks good from that kill because i think rask was the only person to town read barto the entire day

meh idk

i was gonna be lazy and vote barto because i didn’t like how he parked off wagon and seemed to not care about the outcome when there were v/v wagons but truth be told i’m not sure that’s a good reason to suspect barto because he didn’t really even attempt to look like he cared D1 and the rask kill gives me pause about just mowing down the next person in my PoE

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Originally Posted by Zack

@Sunbae

why'd you switch to vulgard?

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Because I thought vulgard was wolfy and started wavering on Hally?

I think my posts explain pretty well why I started wavering on Hally. Listened about you/neb being towny if Hally was town (that's the whole "3 of you found each other and it took me longer" post after neb's post towards me). Thought ender/mont were towny. Thought Vulgard was wolfy. Voted vulgard without much concern. Didn't really know what to do with Bart. Thought rask only made sense with vulgard (had a post on that too). Seemed like the best vote all things considered.

Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day. Will you at least TDome Hally with Bart today, if not Sunbae?

If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.

Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun

My gut reaction to that eod and reveal was that I let hally off the hook. Those posts about being the reason for vulgards wagon were icky icky and for today i despise that opening sequence about weird kill/framing/means its neb

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day. Will you at least TDome Hally with Bart today, if not Sunbae?

If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.

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lol

you barely even town read him or defended him

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun

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start punting

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Because I thought vulgard was wolfy and started wavering on Hally?

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:computer:

where you at on them now? vulgard's flip change anything? i've been mulling over hally townreading vul for his initial weird response then sliding over to wolf-reading him as being possible Wolfy Stuff that I looked over because I though vul was wolfy and had it in my head that hally hedging a bunch = more like village meta

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day.

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based on what?

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If looking for a tinfoil angle, the Rask kill is something scum-Zack would do, so that could be a crumb for the postgame.

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~:confused:

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun

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https://media3.giphy.com/media/l3fZL...2gec/giphy.gif

hmm?

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

My gut reaction to that eod and reveal was that I let hally off the hook. Those posts about being the reason for vulgards wagon were icky icky and for today i despise that opening sequence about weird kill/framing/means its neb

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you don’t think it’s a weird kill fmpov? the guy that did nothing but tunnel me and wasn’t particularly town read died

it’s pretty silly to suggest i shouldn’t be weirded out by it

also what’s icky about saying i was the reason for vul’s wagon? i was being run up, vul had a vote or two but not much momentum atp, then i started pushing him and you (sunbae) and benneh both voted him

i think i definitely played a major role in solidifying it and getting momentum there and even if you disagree with that i don’t get how it’s fully for me to take credit for a villager being wagoned? weird read

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Originally Posted by Hally

also what’s icky about saying i was the reason for vul’s wagon? i was being run up, vul had a vote or two but not much momentum atp, then i started pushing him and you (sunbae) and benneh both voted him

i think i definitely played a major role in solidifying it and getting momentum there and even if you disagree with that i don’t get how it’s fully for me to take credit for a villager being wagoned? weird read

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*wolfy not fully

i want to punt monty simply for that "Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day"

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Originally Posted by Zack

:computer:

where you at on them now? vulgard's flip change anything? i've been mulling over hally townreading vul for his initial weird response then sliding over to wolf-reading him as being possible Wolfy Stuff that I looked over because I though vul was wolfy and had it in my head that hally hedging a bunch = more like village meta

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yeah, i should have stuck with my town read but i honestly couldn’t get past his vote on me

seriously, if anyone can read that sequence of posts and explain to me how vul ended up voting me from the posts leading up to it i’ll give you a billion dollars

but fmpov i was getting piled on for ?? reasons and then i see vul write some mumbo jumbo about the gamestate that points away from voting me, push ender then immediately back off and use that interaction to pivot to voting me for “gamestate”

it was pretty terrible and i still don’t understand it even with him flipping town :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Zack

:computer:

where you at on them now? vulgard's flip change anything? i've been mulling over hally townreading vul for his initial weird response then sliding over to wolf-reading him as being possible Wolfy Stuff that I looked over because I though vul was wolfy and had it in my head that hally hedging a bunch = more like village meta

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Vulgard's flip does change some stuff, yeah. By my last stint in the thread I had decided the way Hally interacted about Vulgard wasn't w/w, and I thought that if Vulgard was a wolf then Hally's read of the game state throughout day 1 was pretty good with you/neb being villa and that coupled with my feelings on Ender would make the game pretty clear cut.

With it not being the case I've gotta work through the various options. If Hally is a wolf I don't think Mont or Barto can be wolves with the way Mont has been trying to get a Hally thunderdone going and the way Hally tried to vote for Barto as the day progressed and needed a non-Hally wagon. I'm back at my "If it's Hally, the way they kept defending Neb/Zack to me makes me think it's because it's one of you" thought that I had at one point yesterday.

If Hally is a villager then the main wagons all day were all town between me/vulgard/hally. If that's the case I think my first look is Mont for vocally defending vVulgard while tryng to turn me/hally into a thunderdome given it seemed obvious reading it that Vulgard was dying as that eod progressed. I have that lingering Zack/Neb fear still that I'm trying to squash but I, how to say this without being obnoxious, feel like if the team is zack/neb and I've been barking up that tree a lot day 1 you two just rid yourselves of me? Maybe that's silly with the way I got heat during day 1 but it's how I feel so shrug emoji.

So I'm currently juggling a few different worlds of like Hally + you/neb or Mont + Barto or maybe something weird like Barto + Neb where it was just a stuck vote on a teammate while villagers were getting wagoned.

Gonna try and work through it over the next little bit and see where I land

Zack, what do you think Hally's alignment is. Think this one is the key to solving the game

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Vulgard's flip does change some stuff, yeah. By my last stint in the thread I had decided the way Hally interacted about Vulgard wasn't w/w, and I thought that if Vulgard was a wolf then Hally's read of the game state throughout day 1 was pretty good with you/neb being villa and that coupled with my feelings on Ender would make the game pretty clear cut.

With it not being the case I've gotta work through the various options. If Hally is a wolf I don't think Mont or Barto can be wolves with the way Mont has been trying to get a Hally thunderdone going and the way Hally tried to vote for Barto as the day progressed and needed a non-Hally wagon. I'm back at my "If it's Hally, the way they kept defending Neb/Zack to me makes me think it's because it's one of you" thought that I had at one point yesterday.

If Hally is a villager then the main wagons all day were all town between me/vulgard/hally. If that's the case I think my first look is Mont for vocally defending vVulgard while tryng to turn me/hally into a thunderdome given it seemed obvious reading it that Vulgard was dying as that eod progressed. I have that lingering Zack/Neb fear still that I'm trying to squash but I, how to say this without being obnoxious, feel like if the team is zack/neb and I've been barking up that tree a lot day 1 you two just rid yourselves of me? Maybe that's silly with the way I got heat during day 1 but it's how I feel so shrug emoji.

So I'm currently juggling a few different worlds of like Hally + you/neb or Mont + Barto or maybe something weird like Barto + Neb where it was just a stuck vote on a teammate while villagers were getting wagoned.

Gonna try and work through it over the next little bit and see where I land

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fwiw I don't think ender/hally makes a ton of sense as w/w either given how ender tied them up in a tense spot basically for the lols

but I guess you aren't considering him anyway

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Originally Posted by Hally

you don’t think it’s a weird kill fmpov? the guy that did nothing but tunnel me and wasn’t particularly town read died

it’s pretty silly to suggest i shouldn’t be weirded out by it

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I think it's weird to jump in like that, yeah but I don't think it's anything large enough to overwrite any other opinions

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Originally Posted by Zack

fwiw I don't think ender/hally makes a ton of sense as w/w either given how ender tied them up in a tense spot basically for the lols

but I guess you aren't considering him anyway

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My only concern with Ender is the whole claiming they iso'd a previous game of mine but I think that's mostly just me being confused by it than it being actually wolfy

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Hally, if you're a villager I'm going to punt Mont into the sun

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Vote: Sunbae

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Originally Posted by Hally

lol

you barely even town read him or defended him

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Incorrect. Check my ISO.

Vote: Hally

https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg

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Originally Posted by Zack

based on what?

~:confused:

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Tone, process, lack of agenda. What else is there?

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You know you would do it, if you were mafia. :sneaky:

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i want to punt monty simply for that "Don't know what to tell you, but Vulgard was the towniest player of the day"

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But not Neb? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Zack, what do you think Hally's alignment is. Think this one is the key to solving the game

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:shrug:

tbd, need to sort through some things and don't have a quick answer ready

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Tone, process, lack of agenda. What else is there?

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those are buzzwords

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But not Neb? :confused:

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what does that have anything to do with that post?

sunbae is scaring me honestly

fmpov i keep making normal posts that he then twists as wolfy for reasons i don’t understand and it doesn’t seem like he’s really trying to see why i might think those things, he just jumps to calling them wolfy

like, i really don’t think my posting has been bad this game, straight up

sometimes when i’m being wolf read incorrectly i get it and recognize i haven’t been posting well but this game i’ve been making posts that are completely normal both for me and generally imo, yet people seem unable to find me and sunbae, who knows me and i think generally reads me decently, has been a driving force of it

seriously, am i that hard to find here? cuz i don’t think i should be and i feel like i’m taking crazy pills lol

mum and dad are fighting again ~:mecry:

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sunbae is scaring me honestly

fmpov i keep making normal posts that he then twists as wolfy for reasons i don’t understand and it doesn’t seem like he’s really trying to see why i might think those things, he just jumps to calling them wolfy

like, i really don’t think my posting has been bad this game, straight up

sometimes when i’m being wolf read incorrectly i get it and recognize i haven’t been posting well but this game i’ve been making posts that are completely normal both for me and generally imo, yet people seem unable to find me and sunbae, who knows me and i think generally reads me decently, has been a driving force of it

seriously, am i that hard to find here? cuz i don’t think i should be and i feel like i’m taking crazy pills lol

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like, i’ve posted 150 times yet like nobody v reads me, which leads me to think i must be doing something wrong but i don’t get what because fmpov i’m just making normal posts that people hate for some reason and i really can’t help but feel wolves are fueling that or at least capitalizing on it

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Tone, process, lack of agenda. What else is there?

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Sorry, should have included slot position in the game state.

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Originally Posted by Zack

those are buzzwords

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Prove it.

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what does that have anything to do with that post?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

we're probably wrong

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i dont know how to fix that though

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He was the wrong person at the wrong time to post that, but it's probably NAI. Not sure why it's below your notice but you shade me for correctly being skeptical of the thread consensus on Vulgard.

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Originally Posted by Hally

sunbae is scaring me honestly

fmpov i keep making normal posts that he then twists as wolfy for reasons i don’t understand and it doesn’t seem like he’s really trying to see why i might think those things, he just jumps to calling them wolfy

like, i really don’t think my posting has been bad this game, straight up

sometimes when i’m being wolf read incorrectly i get it and recognize i haven’t been posting well but this game i’ve been making posts that are completely normal both for me and generally imo, yet people seem unable to find me and sunbae, who knows me and i think generally reads me decently, has been a driving force of it

seriously, am i that hard to find here? cuz i don’t think i should be and i feel like i’m taking crazy pills lol

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Is it Sun-Mont?

Currently everyone town-reads you except maybe me or Sunbae.

i don't really have a problem with sunbae's posts about hally ftr (not sure i agree with the conclusion but that's a different thing)

i don't ermember having much issue with hally's posts in the moment but everyone seems to think they're wolfy so i'm feeling paranoid that I'm missing something or doing another ladd in that 13er situation where the reasons don't appeal to me so I assume the conclusion is wrong.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/run.gif

monty still isn't making a lick of sense afaict and his POV on vulgard just rings false

I am literally, on this page, spending my time asking people about you + explaining where I am at on you in detail including who I think you could be partnered with or who is trying to capitalize on things if you're town. With examples. I am also, quite clearly, factoring in your view of the gamestate in my own opinions and trying to see things from your pov. I don't understand why that's the scary frustrating part of what's happening. I've spent more time in this game on you than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I think it's weird to jump in like that, yeah but I don't think it's anything large enough to overwrite any other opinions

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i mean, i was thinking wolves would leave rask alive and i would have to spend 48 hours trying to fend off his tunnel to the point where i was trying to mentally prepare myself not to get too annoyed at him so lol

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Sorry, should have included slot position in the game state.



Prove it.






He was the wrong person at the wrong time to post that, but it's probably NAI. Not sure why it's below your notice but you shade me for correctly being skeptical of the thread consensus on Vulgard.



Is it Sun-Mont?

Currently everyone town-reads you except maybe me or Sunbae.

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saying "we;re probably wrong" pre-flip is not like declaratively stating vulgard was THE VILLAGIEST IN THE GAME after the fact. that should be obvious and it seems disingenuous of you to suggest they're the same

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Originally Posted by Hally

i mean, i was thinking wolves would leave rask alive and i would have to spend 48 hours trying to fend off his tunnel to the point where i was trying to mentally prepare myself not to get too annoyed at him so lol

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Can you tell me why you were so certain they were a villager? I know I was skeptical at points yesterday, especially once I thought Vulgard was a wolf and you two weren't w/w with the way they came at you while the wagons were you/vulgard.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Sorry, should have included slot position in the game state.



Prove it.






He was the wrong person at the wrong time to post that, but it's probably NAI. Not sure why it's below your notice but you shade me for correctly being skeptical of the thread consensus on Vulgard.



Is it Sun-Mont?

Currently everyone town-reads you except maybe me or Sunbae.

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i don’t think that’s true

the only one who explicitly town read me and tried to stop my wagon D1 was zack

everyone else had me as nullish or wolfy afair

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Originally Posted by Zack

saying "we;re probably wrong" pre-flip is not like declaratively stating vulgard was THE VILLAGIEST IN THE GAME after the fact. that should be obvious and it seems disingenuous of you to suggest they're the same

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It's not, since I was offering the most skepticism before the fact. It's just consistency.

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Originally Posted by Hally

i mean, i was thinking wolves would leave rask alive and i would have to spend 48 hours trying to fend off his tunnel to the point where i was trying to mentally prepare myself not to get too annoyed at him so lol

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you were that confident he was v?

Vote: Mont

I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.

If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

It's not, since I was offering the most skepticism before the fact. It's just consistency.

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I don't remember you really making a serious push to save him, or to even explain the read (and you still haven't in any real sense), then you come in today with a post like that and it immediately sets off alarm bells for me. You LOVE to white-knight villas like that as a wolf

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Originally Posted by Zack

I don't remember you really making a serious push to save him, or to even explain the read (and you still haven't in any real sense), then you come in today with a post like that and it immediately sets off alarm bells for me. You LOVE to white-knight villas like that as a wolf

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ok yeah, im good with this

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I am literally, on this page, spending my time asking people about you + explaining where I am at on you in detail including who I think you could be partnered with or who is trying to capitalize on things if you're town. With examples. I am also, quite clearly, factoring in your view of the gamestate in my own opinions and trying to see things from your pov. I don't understand why that's the scary frustrating part of what's happening. I've spent more time in this game on you than anyone else.

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i just feel like you’re doing a lot of talking to others about me and not much to me directly

afair you’ve barely asked me anything or interacted with me, you’ve mostly been talking to zack and benneh

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Originally Posted by Hally

i don’t think that’s true

the only one who explicitly town read me and tried to stop my wagon D1 was zack

everyone else had me as nullish or wolfy afair

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Ok, let me put it as no one else scum-reads you, as of SOD. I can't technically vouch for the players yet to appear, but the EOD status of Neb, Barto, and Ender AFAIK was away from SRing you. Ender for his part definitively defended you, beyond his fake vote.

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Vote: Mont

I might be a sucker but Hally's insistence that they were going to have to fend off rask for 48 hours and that they have no idea why they aren't an obvious villager is getting me.

If hally's a villager I think mont's approach to yesterdays eod knowing vulgard is going over is just trying to accrue credit and set up the villa thunderdome between me/hally the next day

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Vote: Sunbae

And you could be setting up chained MLs of Hally-Monty FTW. There's always a way out.

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Originally Posted by Zack

I don't remember you really making a serious push to save him, or to even explain the read (and you still haven't in any real sense), then you come in today with a post like that and it immediately sets off alarm bells for me.

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How serious does it need to be? "Vulgard is 100% town and you'd better oust him over my dead body"? I laid out a pretty clear POE, even if the "reasons" will never be to your standard.

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You LOVE to white-knight villas like that as a wolf

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Remind me, genuinely.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Can you tell me why you were so certain they were a villager? I know I was skeptical at points yesterday, especially once I thought Vulgard was a wolf and you two weren't w/w with the way they came at you while the wagons were you/vulgard.

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what about that post suggests i was so certain?

i did think rask was probably a villager (and i even thought that before vul’s flip though i had reservations)

it wasn’t a LOCK CLEAR read but yea, i thought he was v