Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

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Is your only ability to find wolves through how they push you?

Who do you think are wolves who didn't push you, and why? And how do they work with the people who did push you?

My reads are somewhere in the mess and it's past 2am so I'm gonna crash, poke with specific questions as you need.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Is your only ability to find wolves through how they push you?

Who do you think are wolves who didn't push you, and why? And how do they work with the people who did push you?

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Finding wolves through how they push you is an underrated skill.
Eh, @Visor?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

So we're still missing
Dya
Ender
SK
Logic

Noted
@Logic come here we're supposed to be masons!!!

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I promise, I'm here to mason now.
@Wisdom

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Originally Posted by Logic

I promise, I'm here to mason now.
@Wisdom

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Goodie goodie!

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Originally Posted by dyachei

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...-december-game

and fwiw, I nailed him in that game but i was main pack wolf. I feel like he's already admitted that he is acting the same here.

he'll probably omgus me for pushing him

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Picture HK leaning back in his chair mulling this post around in his mind:

Hmm, faint undertones of suspicion and paranoia coupled with a full body of self-importance all combined with the subtle bloom of wanting to be right.

Dya is town.

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

@hollowkatt

https://media1.giphy.com/media/XDY7T...hA6n/giphy.gif

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His baseline is to be dry, acerbic, and rather unenthusiastic about existing. Oh wait that's his IRL baseline it just happens to coincide with his mafia playing baseline. Wolf Syn wants to be ingratiated into the game moreso than town Syn does. Town Syn generally doesn't give a flying fuck about anything, wants to make the posts he wants to make, and isn't looking to advance any kind of agenda, just wreck wolves.

It's probably not smart to town read Syn off of his extremely early game posts but I did it anyways and I'm happy with his posting afterwards as well.

As far as holistic thoughts about the game:

I have vastly more town reads than wolf reads. I like, for town:

you, dya, raskol, Visor, noraplus, and wisdom.
Yolo maybe.

Everyone else is some flavor of "idc/don't have a read/could be wolf" and I'm ok with that. Except Ender, I think he's furry.

I think, specifically about dya, that they're reacting hard to how I played the last game here. I was lost wolf, played it completely straight (as if I were town), helped chop two of the three members of the wolf team, then won in F3. Dya recognizing the similarities is good but arrived at the wrong conclusion. The only reason that play style worked is I had no idea who the wolf team was so I could hunt wolves as town does. Once the last pack wolf was dead I had to survive two days. We got Boq on D6 and F3 was me, Ender, and Monty. I had ender pocketed and basically voted monty and peaced out of the thread. Ender never wavered (in thread anyways) on me being town so the game was done.

I think Dya arrives at that conclusion rather naturally and is concerned that I'm using the same type of tactics/strategy in this game. The problem is that there's no lost wolf who's anti town but also uninformed. That's the only reason I was able to get the win. I "correctly" sused out Dya and got them chopped and then "correctly" voted Kagemusha to get them chopped as the last pack wolf. Then I inherited the NK and went from there.

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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Is this a general sentiment of being wronged by the village or shading of me? Or are you saying wolves are pushing you?

I remember you being pretty solvey as town, you seem to have shut down here after some early pressure, sup

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neither, both, not sure basically. I wanted to throw that out there for some thoughts to chew on. Didn't really see anyone other than you respond to it but I'm still doing catch up.

I am finding myself getting less and less solvy on D1 and more and more "lets get through today, see who's chopped/nk'd and then start digging in"
Maybe that's wrongo dongo but I kinda like it.

I do have thoughts on the game I've posted today so maybe that's something you can dig into

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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

This game is thin as hell and I'm fine with the direction/consensus of the game (namely think pzelda is a good D1 regardless of alignment and that the villagery people are correctly being villa read), I'm not doing much cuz there ain't much to do

But if you want my take(s) on something specific hmu

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what makes pzelda a good d1 regardless of alignment? my experience with them is they're solid and almost never a liability.

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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

LMAO

I'ma be real I don't usually see wolves this brazen with 180s but I'm scared to V-read it 💀

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of all of them this is the least bad

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Also, I actually thought pzelda had posted some before the sus hits them but Rask was onto it immediately and Visor not long after.

Hm.

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Like that's a pretty good post regardless of enders alignment.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

My werewolf super power is remembering the wolves everyone else is ignoring so I?ll point out they Logic has roughly two posts and zero content.

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shh that's my secret cfd target

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 6 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG ladd Visor Ephemeral EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Syn 1 baudib1
Ladd 1 Wisdom
dyachei 1 Syn
Raskol 1 hollowkatt


I believe this is correct.

EOD in approx 18hr, 40min

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I thought I was voting ender but realized formatting was wrong.
vote: enderwiggin

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Originally Posted by ladd

yolo/eph occupy a similar headspace for how they are playing but i think yolo is more tangibly villagery than eph (tho i havent played with eph in a while)

ender seems messy in a villagery way, his thought process was weird but believable to me. prob villa imo

every hk pop in it feels like he is just struggling to produce good content after the bad start

zelda wolf

c4 has reached lock clear levels to me. rask was already there


idr have much on a read on the visor/baudib/dya triumvirate. if i wanted to yolo it i'd say they are all villas but it'd be p lazy

syn kinda seems like someone who will eventually be cleared by spew

dont have much of a read on wisdom either


think thats all. i made myself more readable than othe rplayers so i'll count this as a win. ill be back for eod

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why is pzelda a wagon? cliffs is fine

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 6 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG ladd Visor Ephemeral EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
EnderWiggin 2 Syn hollowkatt
Ladd 2 Wisdom pzelda
Logic 1 baudib1



I believe this is correct

Eod in approx 6 hours

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

There's also just the chance that it wasn't planned at all and he got caught with his pants down and now isn't sure how to recover.

I have seen HK do that before.

Like "I don't see the reason for him doing it" when it was a pressure progression on him doesn't make sense to me.

Wolves don't plan to be pushed.

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didn't he offer his spirited defense of me totally unprompted

in fact, wasn't that one of the reasons for scum-reading him

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Towniest post I've seen this game!:3

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I'm pocketed

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Originally Posted by ladd

I think i missed that dya post. Probabbly villa post from them tbh


I dont think its worth reading hk last game. Lone wolves are a terrible example of meta

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My issue with HK isn't that HK is playing the exact same way. The way he's making reads are the same. That's an issue even in a lost wolf game because it doesn't feel like he's actual investigating what people are, he's kind of making it/doing what he thinks will look good

think baudib probably town this game. Think he's actively solving, trying to figure things out. Feels pretty natural

rask prob v as well but I'm not sure I can articulate why

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

why is pzelda a wagon? cliffs is fine

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seems to be posting like a struggly wolf to me and i have bought ~none of the reads they posted

i have a tendency to villa read peole who push me but even his last post with vote on me seems shallow at best

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I thought I was voting ender but realized formatting was wrong.
vote: enderwiggin

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can you explain why you think ender is a wolf?

aso got any thoughts on baudib? part of my problem with your start is also that it felt you just went on a refuge in audacity on baudib instead of trying to sort if he was a wolf pushing someone you strongly villa read

did logic really rand wolf again
@Logic tell me it ain't so

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Originally Posted by ladd

did logic really rand wolf again
@Logic tell me it ain't so

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i absolutely despite the fact that i didnt separate these 2 paragraphs

a crime against formatting

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Originally Posted by ladd

did logic really rand wolf again
@Logic tell me it ain't so

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why do you think he has?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

why do you think he has?

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his posts arent good. i wish he posted more but what he has done so far is not really inspiring me

i mostly just want to poke him for now tho

anyway here is where i am at


~100% villas
ladd
rask
noraplus

leaning villa
dya
yolo
ender
baudib
Syn

the rest
eph - problem is more on my end than theirs. i think i just don't remember v well how they play as both alignments so i am reading their posts and mostly nodding along but don't process them in an ai way

visor - he has too many posts to be a villager. outed (jokes aside, i do have some concerns over his posting but if zelda is a wolf i think he is a villager anyway)

SK - gotta see what he posts. he is p much true null

HK - already talked about

zelda- as above

logic - not a great start chief

wisdom - don't really have many thoughts on their posts tbh


nothing is ordered. EoD is 1 am so my presence is in strong question but i'll be back before then for sure

i re read wisdom iso cause not having a read there felt weird and i like them. guess i could move them up

leaves me with a pretty boring list tho


oh well

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Originally Posted by ladd

i absolutely despite the fact that i didnt separate these 2 paragraphs

a crime against formatting

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You say that I don't have good posts and then complain that you gave a "bad" post.
Smh
@ladd I expect better poking than this

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

shh that's my secret cfd target

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D1 me, you coward.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

His baseline is to be dry, acerbic, and rather unenthusiastic about existing. Oh wait that's his IRL baseline it just happens to coincide with his mafia playing baseline. Wolf Syn wants to be ingratiated into the game moreso than town Syn does. Town Syn generally doesn't give a flying fuck about anything, wants to make the posts he wants to make, and isn't looking to advance any kind of agenda, just wreck wolves.

It's probably not smart to town read Syn off of his extremely early game posts but I did it anyways and I'm happy with his posting afterwards as well.

As far as holistic thoughts about the game:

I have vastly more town reads than wolf reads. I like, for town:

you, dya, raskol, Visor, noraplus, and wisdom.
Yolo maybe.

Everyone else is some flavor of "idc/don't have a read/could be wolf" and I'm ok with that. Except Ender, I think he's furry.

I think, specifically about dya, that they're reacting hard to how I played the last game here. I was lost wolf, played it completely straight (as if I were town), helped chop two of the three members of the wolf team, then won in F3. Dya recognizing the similarities is good but arrived at the wrong conclusion. The only reason that play style worked is I had no idea who the wolf team was so I could hunt wolves as town does. Once the last pack wolf was dead I had to survive two days. We got Boq on D6 and F3 was me, Ender, and Monty. I had ender pocketed and basically voted monty and peaced out of the thread. Ender never wavered (in thread anyways) on me being town so the game was done.

I think Dya arrives at that conclusion rather naturally and is concerned that I'm using the same type of tactics/strategy in this game. The problem is that there's no lost wolf who's anti town but also uninformed. That's the only reason I was able to get the win. I "correctly" sused out Dya and got them chopped and then "correctly" voted Kagemusha to get them chopped as the last pack wolf. Then I inherited the NK and went from there.

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appreciate the response bud

I don't have an issue with your dya read, the thought process seems reasonable given the context of last game(though whether I agree with the conclusion is still up in the air)

But I would like you to elaborate on Ender, I'm not seeing nearly as much depth there vs your dya read

you called him out earlier saying he should "know better", but you yourself said that you're playing similarly to the previous game where you completely pocketed the guy and practically demolished him yes?

what's making him a wolf instead of a potential villager who's aggressively paranoid of you after that game for example?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

why do you think he has?

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Dya looks good on this page except for this single post.

If there are more questions in their ISO like this, I'll wolf lean them.

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Originally Posted by Logic

Dya looks good on this page except for this single post.

If there are more questions in their ISO like this, I'll wolf lean them.

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what's the issue with it?

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

what's the issue with it?

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It's a Dya specific thing.

Scum Dya is more likely to ask short questions that she doesn't actually care about the answer to. This is a candidate for one of those questions.

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Originally Posted by Logic

It's a Dya specific thing.

Scum Dya is more likely to ask short questions that they doesn't actually care about the answer to. This is a candidate for one of those questions.

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Sorry Dya

I very much cared about the answer to this question

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Originally Posted by dyachei

I very much cared about the answer to this question

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Any chance you would care to share what the response gleaned for you?

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Originally Posted by Logic

Any chance you would care to share what the response gleaned for you?

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not much sadly. I wanted more of description of why you were wolfy, what would make you less wolfy, etc

i didnt get it

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Originally Posted by dyachei

is noraplus an alt?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

did...i imagine seeing c4 post in the thread on their main?

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two instances of Dya (potentially) asking questions that are wolfy for them

Potentially is in parentheses because this could just be a lack of follow-up.

FTR: this now makes Dya my closest thing to a scum read, but it's flimsy and I refuse to sort on that little.

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I'm feeling a bit sick today, so not sure how active I can be (which is too bad since this was the part of today I was supposed to be active on). I saw the wagons, can't really read Cape (which is pzelda, right?) but if y'all think he's wolfing then go for it.

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(he's capage not cape lol)

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Originally Posted by Logic

two instances of Dya (potentially) asking questions that are wolfy for them

Potentially is in parentheses because this could just be a lack of follow-up.

FTR: this now makes Dya my closest thing to a scum read, but it's flimsy and I refuse to sort on that little.

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what would signify "caring" for the response to a simple alt-related question lol

like I get the previous bit w/r/t their question to ladd sure

but those two posts are definitely a reach

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Originally Posted by Logic

two instances of Dya (potentially) asking questions that are wolfy for them

Potentially is in parentheses because this could just be a lack of follow-up.

FTR: this now makes Dya my closest thing to a scum read, but it's flimsy and I refuse to sort on that little.

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why would I follow up when the answer was yes, c4 posted on his main?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I like these reads and that they're not based on meta. There is some meta included, but it is site meta, if I understand it correctly. They're the first takes in this game I have some inclination to sheep and that makes me v lean Yolo.

Also, regarding my earlier clash with Rask, I reread it and on the second look he just looks like having fun and I v?s the one overreacting. I guess I will need to see more before making a proper take.

Town leans: HK, Yolo
Null: Everyone else

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I'm not loving pzelda (shocker) and this post is probably the most substantive post in the ISO.

Between coffee tell and later posts that look like promising more content but also excusing himself for maybe not giving it, I don't have confidence in a town here. Considering I almost always V-read pzelda, this is tantamount to a wolf-read by default.

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Originally Posted by Logic

I'm not loving pzelda (shocker) and this post is probably the most substantive post in the ISO.

Between coffee tell and later posts that look like promising more content but also excusing himself for maybe not giving it, I don't have confidence in a town here. Considering I almost always V-read pzelda, this is tantamount to a wolf-read by default.

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do you really think the coffee tell is a serious tell?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

why would I follow up when the answer was yes, c4 posted on his main?

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I would assume that the follow-up would include something else; a read, an acknowledgement, etc. That's more on brand for villa-you. Even something like that.

Like I said earlier, it's a reach (and there is one more question in your ISO that you asked, but you also followed up on)

Just the three I highlighted stand out as "not normal" for v-dya.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Can you talk me through the bolded name?

That's the one name on your list that hasn't felt villagery at all to me yet.

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imma just plagiarize myself since they haven't done a ton since my last read on them

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it's a bit tough to explain beyond: their solving is real? like i know they make some outlandish reads sometimes, but i feel like i can generally see where they come from, and it feels like they're flying on really specific gut urges that would be hard for a wolf to make up

like when they said "baudib's bad syn push made me biased toward syn v", that's maybe something a wolf would come up with specifically to pocket syn but i doubt it lol, i just think it's a really weird thought to have with tmi, and it lines up with the timing of their initial reads on syn and baudib too

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Originally Posted by dyachei

do you really think the coffee tell is a serious tell?

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For some people, it is.
I wouldn't rely on it, but I do take it as a data point for someone to try and excuse a bad read or lack of reads on it.

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Originally Posted by Logic

@noraplus
I had read the page I first appeared on, read page 1 and complained, and started reading page 2 when my wife was annoyed I was lying in bed with the light on and not reading my book.

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:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Logic

I would assume that the follow-up would include something else; a read, an acknowledgement, etc. That's more on brand for villa-you. Even something like that.

Like I said earlier, it's a reach (and there is one more question in your ISO that you asked, but you also followed up on)

Just the three I highlighted stand out as "not normal" for v-dya.

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that's not really a thing. sorry to tell you that the meta you're using for me is wrong

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Originally Posted by dyachei

that's not really a thing. sorry to tell you that the meta you're using for me is wrong

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and like the first question? the 2nd question was me following up on it...

man i hate this whole line of reasoning from you

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

shh that's my secret cfd target

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Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

is it too hopeful to think this is so out of nowhere it might be w/w lol

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

But I would like you to elaborate on Ender, I'm not seeing nearly as much depth there vs your dya read

you called him out earlier saying he should "know better", but you yourself said that you're playing similarly to the previous game where you completely pocketed the guy and practically demolished him yes?

what's making him a wolf instead of a potential villager who's aggressively paranoid of you after that game for example?

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(i thought the "know better" part was about ender saying the cap wagon was wolf-motivated, not about ender wolf reading him)

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 6 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG ladd Visor Ephemeral EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
EnderWiggin 2 Syn hollowkatt
Ladd 2 Wisdom pzelda
Logic 1 baudib1



Think this is correct.

EOD in approx 2 hours.

:00 good
:01 bad

i think dya's recent posts are pretty good but i'll have @ladd spot check me on that

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Originally Posted by noraplus

i think dya's recent posts are pretty good but i'll have @ladd spot check me on that

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Ya i think they are super likely just a villager

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Originally Posted by noraplus

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

is it too hopeful to think this is so out of nowhere it might be w/w lol

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https://media.tenor.com/C3lhE73FgLoA...t-possible.gif

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Originally Posted by Logic

@noraplus
I had read the page I first appeared on, read page 1 and complained, and started reading page 2 when my wife was annoyed I was lying in bed with the light on and not reading my book.

@baudib1 I'll be sure to give you credit for what I thought was ender.

@Visor I'm used to rules disallowing thanking of posts midgame. Rules I thought you would assume is normal. Thanking posts midgame when it's not expressly disallowed feels a tad pockety.

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didja read the op?

also - i wasn't the only person to thank posts that you would've read, whyd you single me out there over others, out of curiosity?

I am already starting to fall asleep

Chances of me being awake dor eod arent great

Who d y all prefer to lunch between zelda/hk?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

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man he really did just make 4 posts, vote ladd and dip

im not sure ive seen capage play this..... wolfy? before lol, but he's gotta die

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Originally Posted by noraplus

(i thought the "know better" part was about ender saying the cap wagon was wolf-motivated, not about ender wolf reading him)

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uhh, it could be, just doublechecked and i might've misread the context

my question still stands tho, his read on ender feels p empty

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Originally Posted by ladd

I am already starting to fall asleep

Chances of me being awake dor eod arent great

Who d y all prefer to lunch between zelda/hk?

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zelda, hkatt made a half decent post above re dya and zelds reentry was just a token effort

if we're wrong i'm not gonna be able to get there (and am frankly too tired to think through things rn anyway)

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Originally Posted by ladd

I am already starting to fall asleep

Chances of me being awake dor eod arent great

Who d y all prefer to lunch between zelda/hk?

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recency bias kinda says cap

they both look really rough and i wouldn't cry for either

and i am le tired

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 6 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG ladd Visor Ephemeral EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
EnderWiggin 2 Syn hollowkatt
Ladd 2 Wisdom pzelda
Logic 1 baudib1



Think this is correct.

EOD in approx 2 hours.

:00 good
:01 bad

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Perhaps the most swagged out wagon of all time.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I am already starting to fall asleep

Chances of me being awake dor eod arent great

Who d y all prefer to lunch between zelda/hk?

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prolly zelda atp

by comparison hkatt looks a bit better but there are still big ? left

chopping pzelda is so lame

if zelda flips wolf i might punt logic into the sun tbh lol

I went back and skimmed logic's recent wolf game on mu and I think his posts there actually look better on average than his posts here

lol

what does it mean bronanas

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

I went back and skimmed logic's recent wolf game on mu and I think his posts there actually look better on average than his posts here

lol

what does it mean bronanas

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it means he's taking it easy this game regardless of alignment because this is a casual game

but it also prob means he's a wolf lol

This is the part of the game where we all think we have the game solved


See you in f3

:curtain:

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Originally Posted by ladd

This is the part of the game where we all think we have the game solved


See you in f3

:curtain:

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really just tmiing that wolves won't kill you before f3 like that

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Originally Posted by Logic

D1 me, you coward.

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vote: logic

ok

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Originally Posted by noraplus

really just tmiing that wolves won't kill you before f3 like that

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It depends on what zelda flips


If he is a wolf ill prob be ded by d3

If he is a villager i am gonna have a rough d2 lmao

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Originally Posted by noraplus

it means he's taking it easy this game regardless of alignment because this is a casual game

but it also prob means he's a wolf lol

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https://media.tenor.com/rchQHaaWfHMA...ed-critmaw.gif

Alrighty i am going to sleep

Adieu

i already feel like no matter what cap flips i'm gonna be right back at hk/logic tomorrow

which probably isn't healthy but i mean, lolhk lollogic

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Originally Posted by ladd

can you explain why you think ender is a wolf?

aso got any thoughts on baudib? part of my problem with your start is also that it felt you just went on a refuge in audacity on baudib instead of trying to sort if he was a wolf pushing someone you strongly villa read

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I thought Rask had a decent point when he said Ender was going out of his way to prevent pzelda from being a "thing", made a post in response to rask and dropped the vote on Ender. Ender is "fine" but "fine" Ender has high potential to be wolfEnder. I find Town Ender to be more aggro/more interested in making his pushes last or go somewhere legit but here he is being vocal and calling things out but doesn't seem to care about driving anything to any kind of conclusion.

baudib is meh to me. They latched onto "hk is weird" early and tried to ride me for that for a while and it's fine. I don't think he had bad intentions pushing me. That's probably the most charitable thing I can say atm.

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Originally Posted by Ephemeral

appreciate the response bud

I don't have an issue with your dya read, the thought process seems reasonable given the context of last game(though whether I agree with the conclusion is still up in the air)

But I would like you to elaborate on Ender, I'm not seeing nearly as much depth there vs your dya read

you called him out earlier saying he should "know better", but you yourself said that you're playing similarly to the previous game where you completely pocketed the guy and practically demolished him yes?

what's making him a wolf instead of a potential villager who's aggressively paranoid of you after that game for example?

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Because the only reason that worked last time is Lost Wolf. If I were pack wolf I'd have been informed, my posts would have looked informed, and I would have had to avoid spew and being spewed. This game being "similar" or even the same as that game would indicate town more than anything else as what I did there doesn't work if I'm not uninformed and unknown to the pack.

i liked syn's posts about hk

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