Why'd you kill Subo? It was highly likely that he was town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
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Why'd you kill Subo? It was highly likely that he was town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
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This was a 10% attack, performed with my starting item, the Kobe Rats, that I needed to succeed to complete my PG (under the current point system it's not enough to win, we need to get another point somewhere so I decided to try completing my PG).Quote:
Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS
Why Subotan? Three of my main suspects were scanned or attacked, Subotan was kinda 4th, and I disagree with your assessment that he was "highly likely to be Town".
Main suspect to be the serial killer is acin.
1) Chaotix said that the Black Wings killer isn't part of their team, and that he's likely a serial killer, I'm tempted to believe him because....
2) Black Wings never attacked another Evil Mafia member. If BW and Sephiroth were working together, why was I attacked three times with Sephiroth and never by BW? Plus, now shlin has been killed by Sephiroth. They really don't seems to be working together.
Attacks by Black Wings so far:
N2 Killed Csargo (South Park Mafia)
N3: Killed choxorn (Psychotic Mafia)
N4: Failed to kill a woman (???)
N5: Killed B_Ray2 (South Park Mafia)
N6: Death is yonder (Space Mafia)
N7: landlubber (Cosa Nostra Mafia)
N8: Failed to kill Kagemusha (Springfield Mafia)
N9: Killed Fluffy (Bizarro Mafia)
See? No Evil Mafia were attacked. Why? Because he's also Evil Mafia and doesn't want to hit his own, to keep his Faction Goal alive.
Remaining Evil mafia are: acin, BL and Romanic. We know BL is clean, and I know about myself. Acin is very suspicious here.
Also, I had acin as Town/Evil because of his vote for Diamondeye, turning the tide in Renata's favour. He couldn't be Chaotic, but he certainly can be a serial killer.
After Kage's survived Black Wings' attack on Night 8, acin made this post:
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
He's almost complaining here!
And earlier in the game he made this post:
Complaining again!!? I can see why a serial killer is concerned by retaliation attacks. :smug2:Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
And do you remember when acin was accused early in the game, by Renata, Zack and GE?
Strong reaction to being accused = Scummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
Main suspect to be the (remaining?) chaotic is Psychonaut.
Mostly because most other players have alibis not to be chaotic and Psychonaut doesn't.
Also this post:
Is wow suspicious.When everybody is ignoring my request to get the magnum, Psychonaut is the only one to vote it to me. Everyone else prefers to give it to Kage, who just has been revived. Why is Psychonaut acting different? Perhaps because he knows that I'm not chaotic, being one himself, thus he really sees me innocent, unlike others who are paranoid about me (such as Kage :smug2:).Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Also his voting record is nothing impressive:
D1: no vote
D2: acin 4
D3: acin 5
D4: Major Robert Dump 5
D5: Earthling 39
D6: abstain
D7: Diamondeye 22 (after DE was revived)
D8: Chaotix 31 (after Chaotix was scanned chaotic by BL)
D9: God Emperor 15 (after GE was scanned chaotic by BL).
So D7, D8 & D9 were all mandatory, there's nothing to analyze here. Someone not voting for a known chaotic would look suspicious.
Day 6 was between Renata, Greyblades and later Diamondeye. Psychonaut voted Greyblades, then abstained, not wanting to choose between Diamondeye and Renata. He could be chaotic, for not voting Diamondeye.
All votes speaks of wanting to keep his credits (typically scum in this game) except the 39 credits on Earthling, which could be explained by wanting to get rid of a dangerous player, one who was known to survive two night attacks at that time.
So I suggest we lynch acin or Psychonaut, but since Earthling is already pushing 100 on acin, it could be useless to be voting Psychonaut at this point.
bet: 10 credits on acin
Also, if the player who killed Link is still alive, I'd like to hear from him, publicly or privately. Alternatively you can speak with Kage, if you don't trust me.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
Hey Roman, y u no revive people?
*slaps Diamondeye*
Edit:
Hey I tried reviving Bow-wow-wow last night, but it failed (learned reviver ability is only 40%).Quote:
Originally Posted by Choxorn
I tried to revive on
N4 - Purchased revive action on Backwards Logic - Success (and learned revive at 40%)
N5 - Failed to revive ByzantineKnight (40%)
N6 - Failed to revive Ironside (40%)
N7 - Revived Kagemusha (40%)
N8 - Didn't try to revive (was stealing & self protecting)
N9 - Failed to revive Bow-wow-wow (40%)
With these odds, 2/5 isn't such a bad result. I have an expectation of 2.40 revivals at this point. The next one should be coming soon.
Bet 10 credit: ACIN
Romanics logiks seems to be logical.
I follow.
I know the discussion that Black Wings was a serial killer has been mentioned before and I do agree attacks on some random townies who would not have been major targets for the chaotics (like the recent landlubber and fluffy) seem to add up. Though his attack on Kage seemed very scummy, back to Fluffy last night is interesting, assumedly just for an easy target to kill. He also never hit any chaotics or really any neutrals which is kinda suspicious. However, there's also the strong correlation as some folks already pointed out that Black Wings seems to be an allied character from the same prior mafia game as Seon (Screwtape/general Vampire theme in that game) which really sounds like two chaotics.
I agree with the reveal that ACIN is Evil Mafia he sounds like a strong candidate for Black Wings regardless, whether serial killer or chaotic. (and actually I think I read something wrong. Fluffy revealed that ACIN was Evil Mafia yesterday, but didn't capitalize it and I thought fluffy claimed he scanned him as "evil-aligned" which didn't even make sense with every other faction scan item and I thought fluffy was lying about that scan, think I said that above).
My bet could go lower by the way but without absolute confirmation on Sephiroth it's a risk to switch entirely, I personally wouldn't go Psychonaut today on a less-substantiated guess because it's still a guess between him and Greyblades at the least. And I'd like to hear from some folks like Kage/Winston/Beefy outside of the Evil mafia faction what they think.
So if anyone knows: who was scanned by BL? Any still living suspects now in the clear for not being cover roles? And who is the remaining Space Mafia between Psychonaut and Greyblades? Again, very willing to let the Space Mafioso go if their story checks out and the faction of the other one is probably going to be extremely suspicious otherwise, either they won't have a role to claim because it's obviously a cover role or something like the seventh member of some faction is equally wrong.
Also just a general comment because it's kinda disappointing to not hear about potential vig-kills in advance. (For the record I attacked Skooma too with purchased credits, as everyone will see another character in the writeup, didn't know Beefy was even doing the same). I would say it's more like Subotan was killed to eliminate the Cosa Nostra it seems though it's understandable people will take factional concerns into account. As has been said, I still don't know if it's even possible for anyone, whoever needs to, to eliminate the Space Mafia due to Renata, and I'd like to hear everyone's general thoughts if people agree the remaining Spacer is likely town or not. It's not that I particularly care if the Space Mafia is wiped out but we're getting low on townies anyway. Of course, if both Greyblades and Psychonaut refuse to reveal I've got nothing against taking them both out if we can, as we should stand a chance of catching one scum, just if one of them is confirmed on who they are and what they do.
Woah, woah, woah. We are gonna now suddenly start trusting Earthling's wall of texts now? LOL This is the same guy who lead us down the MRD path? The same guy who was somehow immune to a lynch? And since the chaotics have cover roles, wouldn't he be protected from being exposed his first lynch? Earthling has had much more of a record of disrupting the town than I have. And from what I can see in the summary thread, Earthling has never even been attacked once. I have a record of non-scummy actions. I tipped the tide in favor of DE being lynched when Beskar and Kage kept screaming for Renata's head. I kept saying to look at the lurkers and lo and behold, GE, DE and Chaotix were all semi lurking. From searching the thread GE has only 27 posts, Chaotix has 60 posts and DE has 78 posts. Which looking back makes it seem kind of obvious they were posting just enough to skate by. I told Renata that if her lynch on Greyblades fails that I wasn't going to trust her anymore and was planning on siding full on with Beskar and Kage in demanding her head.
I have been in contact with BL, Kage and Romanic and have given them updates on what I have been doing. Earthling tried to round up a bunch of people through PM to help him out and make his own little group going. I have been scanned by two people, first fluffy and if I remember correctly BL scanned me as well. BL's scans I would think should be the most powerful in the game and I was cleared.
I don't understand Romanic betting on me just because Earthling decided to place everything he has on me all of a sudden. That sounds like typical Earthling, charging in with everything when he thinks he is right. He brings up what happened in the very beginning when I lost control of myself over a game, and that is fine if he wants to look into that, but I just don't know if he remembers the actual circumstances surrounding me at the time. Ask the members that frequent the backroom about my anger or "passion" as some might politely say that I show from time to time when my real life frustrations get into my online persona.
I find it funny (literally I do, because I told myself not to take this game too seriously after night 2 or whatever it was) that I told Kage about how I was suspicious of Earthling and Kage replied that he also indeed has suspicions of Earthling and now Kage is silenced. It just seems so odd how someone could be so incompetent, yet so stubborn, have the ability to survive a lynch, be ignored and suddenly come out in the end game with a full on max bet on someone. To me that screams attempted bandwagon.
And let me be clear I don't think you are chaotic. I am not trying to turn the tables on you Earthling, I just want you to know that at this point, to assume that you are as innocent as the blue sky is foolish imo.
Basically I have been in the public spotlight before and I am 99% sure that Romanic, BL and Kage have already looked me over many times and scanned me, and I have come out of it as strong evil townie/person throughout this whole game. I have been consistent. You act as if no body has any idea about who I am when I am pretty sure all the info has come up for fluffy and BL when they scanned me.
So suffice it to say, I do believe you are wrong. Just like you have been this entire game. lol.
Romanic's for Acin's death, earthling's for it aswell, which is as good as a vote against it as far as I'm concerned, so I'm confliceted. Any thoughts from the other confirmed townies on whether we should do this?
Tell me about it...Quote:
Woah, woah, woah. We are gonna now suddenly start trusting Earthling's wall of texts now? LOL This is the same guy who lead us down the MRD path? The same guy who was somehow immune to a lynch?
Alright let us see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanic
I can see where you could see that. But I think I have found something out.Quote:
1) Chaotix said that the Black Wings killer isn't part of their team, and that he's likely a serial killer, I'm tempted to believe him because....
2) Black Wings never attacked another Evil Mafia member. If BW and Sephiroth were working together, why was I attacked three times with Sephiroth and never by BW? Plus, now shlin has been killed by Sephiroth. They really don't seems to be working together.
Attacks by Black Wings so far:
N2 Killed Csargo (South Park Mafia)
N3: Killed choxorn (Psychotic Mafia)
N4: Failed to kill a woman (???)
N5: Killed B_Ray2 (South Park Mafia)
N6: Death is yonder (Space Mafia)
N7: landlubber (Cosa Nostra Mafia)
N8: Failed to kill Kagemusha (Springfield Mafia)
N9: Killed Fluffy (Bizarro Mafia)
See? No Evil Mafia were attacked. Why? Because he's also Evil Mafia and doesn't want to hit his own, to keep his Faction Goal alive.
Remaining Evil mafia are: acin, BL and Romanic. We know BL is clean, and I know about myself. Acin is very suspicious here.
Also, I had acin as Town/Evil because of his vote for Diamondeye, turning the tide in Renata's favour. He couldn't be Chaotic, but he certainly can be a serial killer.
Lol, is it wrong to complain about a game seeming to be broken? Where is the fun in finding the chaotics if the items allow for the evil's to automatically win?Quote:
After Kage's survived Black Wings' attack on Night 8, acin made this post:
:laugh4:
He's almost complaining here!
Ummm, that is not complaining Romanic. Your very next argument is me *legit* complaining. This is me finding humor in what was going to be a very crazy game.Quote:
And earlier in the game he made this post:
Complaining again!!? I can see why a serial killer is concerned by retaliation attacks. :smug2:
I do. Funny how Renata turned out to be town and GE turned out to be chaotic. And my real life frustration turned into a convenient scape goat for them. I have already posted my theory about how I think Renata and the chaotics have worked together. And now you have accusations from Renata and a chaotic as evidence against me? Cool beans.Quote:
And do you remember when acin was accused early in the game, by Renata, Zack and GE?
I agree. But here is where I think you are mistaken.Quote:
Strong reaction to being accused = Scummy.
We all over looked Seon. What is the description of the "serial killer"? Black wings? Swords? What was Seon's character taken from? The Shadow Fort, which if I remember correctly was about vampires which matched that exact same description. What else? After looking through the Shadow Fort, Seon's character survived death.
Seon is a vampire with an ability to kill from the "dead", go look through the Shadow Fort right now and tell me that all of those write ups from the Black Wings character doesn't look like a vampire murdering people. I would very much expect ATPG to throw that in there to mess with everyone.
EDIT: Forgot to wrap up why this means I am innocent. If Seon is indeed the "serial killer" it means there really is no serial killer, just a chaotic with an ability to attack from the dead. This means that the whole not killing evil faction members can be thrown out the window because it is either
A) Not important because Seon is a proven chaotic and leaving evil faction alive is not part of his goals.
or
B) Deliberately attempting to portray me in a negative light. If I am right, than the chaotics knew no one was going to guess that Seon could still kill from the dead except for Crazed Rabbit and he just lurked this game. So because I have been guessing right about the chaotics, they have been setting me up for a fall, to give themselves one more day to kill because they knew I would look bad compared to Romanic and BL as the only evil faction members.
Also, one last point that I just realized.
If I was a serial killer, I would have been exposed the moment Fluffy or BL scanned me. The last chaotic may be escaping scans because he may be super powerful like that, which I think is typical of "godfather" roles in mafia. But BL was able to uncover both Chaotix and God Emperor, which means anyone not the godfather (AKA Sephiroph) is able to be exposed by BL. Romanic agrees that I am not the last chaotic and since I have been scanned, that should be proof already that I am not some serial killer because I would have been exposed a looooong time ago.
As I said right above, the serial killer is imo Seon who has an ability from The Shadow Fort of surviving death and killing as a vampire.
Looks like almost everything in post 2591 is a blatant lie, and it's extremely obvious to anyone who bothered to read to confirm most of that. Though if BL did scan you with his upgraded scan he'll presumably post that, several other things you lied about for no reason. Just the right response from a scum though.
Lol, you have no proof of anything. Just stubborn as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
I would ask you what is lie and why is it a lie, but Jolt has already played this game with you and you never provide any answers.
You are lying about what people said in the past page, or less than 10 posts, of the actual game thread. And really, your argument is that the only alternative to being guilty is Seon is killing from the dead? You find nobody else suspicious enough that you'd think it was Greyblades or Psychonaut or something? And you really think that Seon was setting you up by carefully choosing kills to "frame" you and you alone since the beginning of the game, all of his kills, and he knew who he was killing all as a frame.
Oh, but ACIN is telling the truth. It is indeed I who have been killing you all in your sleep after I died. Good job ACIN. Now why don't you townies just try and lynch me now, eh?
Where have I lied? Tell me now or you got nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
I think Pyscho is the last chaotic. I think the serial killer is Seon. Of course others have my suspicions. But I have been looking at the chaotics characters over the weekend and I think it is odd that we have killed 4 chaotics and have two killers even though we have already have a dead serial killer. Why would there be two serial killers? Seon's character survived being killed in The Shadow War and that is grounds for suspicion.Quote:
And really, your argument is that the only alternative to being guilty is Seon is killing from the dead? You find nobody else suspicious enough that you'd think it was Greyblades or Psychonaut or something? And you really think that Seon was setting you up by carefully choosing kills to "frame" you and you alone since the beginning of the game, all of his kills, and he knew who he was killing all as a frame.
And in case you didn't read, I said it is equally possible it wasn't a set up, Seon would just be killing people under Chaotic orders and the only evil people left are the people they can't kill and me.
Seon, stop messing with their heads. :laugh4:
Actually, I do know who your serial killer is. If you guys were to revive me I might just tell you who it is...
Couple things, most importantly:
1) I never super-scanned ACIN. Never told him that, never told anyone else that either. My scans, up until last night, have all nailed Chaotics.
2) As for last night, I will not reveal who I found Evil and Evil alone. I'm not about to paint a target on their back. Therefore, all vigilantes MUST go through me or Kage to determine their target.
As for the case on ACIN:
3) On one hand, I'm not convinced on the case on him, as I've seen his actions in a writeup while the Black Wings killer and Green Eyed Killer have attacked as well.
4) On the other, the Evil Faction has long been been known by me, and I find it odd we've found no one neutral or Chaotic in a Faction of six. Very odd. ACIN is the last relative unknown at this point.
I'm not going to give the green light on killing ACIN yet, as 1) I'm not convinced of the case and 2) If I do, discussion grinds to a halt and we twiddle our thumbs until ATPG posts an update. Given the Black Wings killer didn't appear until after Seon's death, I can partially buy this theory that Seon is a dead Chaotic who can still kill. Partially, as it's a bit outlandish. I figure finding the (last?) remaining Chaotic will end the game anyway. Still though, it's not like we can really confirm his theory - we can't 'kill' the dude again, as he's like, you know, dead and all. If he were scum and looking for a scapegoat to save his skin, I think he'd pick someone we could lynch instead of him. We have a day left, so I plan to use it.
EDIT: And I do want a full reveal out of Psychonaut before the day ends. I know your faction already: I want the rest of your details.
So super scan me tonight. If I turn up evil then I can't be a serial killer.
And as for Seon not being able to be killed. Ask Crazed Rabbit how vampires were killed in The Shadow Fort.
EDIT: Could it possibly be that in a game where the town are all EVIL that the EVIL faction might be the only faction where everyone is loyal to the town?
One question. Who of the living guys is Resident Evil Mafia that we know of?
None, as that faction has been eliminated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
You lied directly about what I and others said on the game thread in the last page. Because I did not bring up at any point, as any part of a case, anything about your outburst against Zack before.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
You also lied about being scanned by Backwards Logic, and lied about how people have been coordinating night actions. You are the one who seems to have not told BL and Kage almost anything and been out of the loop, because they can verify for instance I've told them what I've done every night for a long time, and you were needlessly lying about me.
That's not to start on the ridiculous theory Seon is killing from the dead. Which could be said not to be a lie exactly to a hypothetical Innocent (though I'm pretty sure as a scum you would know for sure it isn't true, so is also a lie) but just a terrible theory. Completely nullifies retaliation, nobody has any evidence of that even being possible or how we would have been expected to fight against it. Because it certainly wasn't expected Seon would randomly die at the start and if luck would have had him around later in the game such an ability would be ridiculous for the town to go up against.
Actually Backwards Logic, again I'd like to say I would go on Psychonaut, or Greyblades, with an actual case that's at least comparable to the one against ACIN, but why can't you reveal what you know about him now? If people need time for discussion waiting for Psychonaut who may come around too late doesn't help many people. Or if you know Greyblades' faction too. It'd be really nice to know which one is the Space Mafia and the other who is not Space Mafia would be an especially interesting faction scan, again I really see no mathematical explanations that aren't really scummy sounding, only other possibility is a weird outlier member of South Park but the whole being pretty sure Visorslash was the last South Park mafia and playing cards setup there would need explanation, and I'd not exactly be happy if Psychonaut/Greyblades then Visorslash were both decided to be still living South Park either.
HEY MAFIA
I AM THE Black-WINGED KILLER
:birthday2::belly::cake::wings::wings::joker::holiday::couch:
I don't want to reveal what I know.
I want them to reveal what I know.
See?
I have a ton of vig killers lined up, and of course, my super scan. At some point, I'm going to nail the last Chaotic. If they want to help out with some reveals, I'm all ears.
Again, give examples otherwise you are talking out of your ***.Quote:
Originally Posted by Earthling
These are all of your conversations:
Earthling: "Herp durp you lied about what people said."
Innocent targeted by Earthling: "What did I lie about?"
Earthling: "Her derp, you lied about what people said."
Not a lie. I was sure they would not have overlooked me because of how I have acted in previous games. I was mistaken. Once he scans me, you will look like an idiot.Quote:
You also lied about being scanned by Backwards Logic,
Another assertion without substance. What exactly was I wrong about?Quote:
and lied about how people have been coordinating night actions.
I told them that I was the one who killed Robbiecon because I thought he was lying under the radar.Quote:
You are the one who seems to have not told BL and Kage almost anything and been out of the loop, because they can verify for instance I've told them what I've done every night for a long time, and you were needlessly lying about me.
I told them I was going to kill Red_Spy and it just so happens that both killers killed that night while I was busy using my action to kill Red_Spy with my 10% vig kill item.
I told them what I have done all the way up until that point.
Since I'm telling everyone now what I have done, what have you done Earthling? Have you made any actions that can be verified in the write up on the same night that the killers struck? Because I can.
Except it doesn't nullify retaliation because only Seon has the ability to come back from the dead because of his character. Your statements show how little you know about logic.Quote:
That's not to start on the ridiculous theory Seon is killing from the dead. Which could be said not to be a lie exactly to a hypothetical Innocent (though I'm pretty sure as a scum you would know for sure it isn't true, so is also a lie) but just a terrible theory. Completely nullifies retaliation, nobody has any evidence of that even being possible or how we would have been expected to fight against it. Because it certainly wasn't expected Seon would randomly die at the start and if luck would have had him around later in the game such an ability would be ridiculous for the town to go up against.
Earthling's logic:
A) Retaliation can kill people.
B) Retaliation killed the serial killer.
C) But if ACIN is right, Seon is the one exception.
D) Retaliation does nothing because there was an exception. DOES NOT COMPUTE! SO ACIN IS WRONG.
CRAZED RABBITQuote:
nobody has any evidence of that even being possible or how we would have been expected to fight against it.