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Surprised you had a treb in range Phonics, thought i checked the woods thuroughly and that youd not have enough +movements... may i ask where it was located?
Constantinople retaken, two fatmid forts gone ( u still have the ones close to the river near caesara )
Mostly a standstill atm, we shall see next turn!
@slysnake
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Mithridate
Surprised you had a treb in range Phonics, thought i checked the woods thuroughly and that youd not have enough +movements... may i ask where
In range of which city?
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U killed one of my forted stacks north of caesara.
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Mithridate
U killed one of my forted stacks north of caesara.
You didn't check the woods thoroughly enough
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Damn... @slysnake, forgot to tell you that you have turn to do. :brood:
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Will have turn up by tonight, sorry for the delay guys. It's amazing how quickly work can build up, even over the summer! :dizzy2:|
EDIT: Sicily: http://www.sendspace.com/file/kc8625 (either me or @RexLegend will play this)
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@slysnake or @RexLegend, is one of you going to play Scily?
Or should we skip this turn?
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Nigel
@
slysnake or @
RexLegend, is one of you going to play Scily?
Or should we skip this turn?
Should have it up in the next 24 hours or so, some big battles to fight I think...
EDIT: Scandinavia, @RexLegend! http://www.sendspace.com/file/m4yims
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I thought I'd mention that Poland has fallen as expected. One bugger less.
Fatimids lost fort, located west of Adrianople. And took a look on my turn, it looks like it's going to be very long one.
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Sorry for delay guys. As I said before, this turn was going to be long one.
Fatimids @phonicsmonkey
Nottingham, Caen and London have fallen. Remains of England are fleeing to Ireland, hoping to put some resistance there.
Bruges, Antwerp, Cologne retaken, Metz sacked and seized. Had top-notch spies inside for a while, had no forces to sack it for quite a while (just clarifying, if NB wants to know). Two forts of Moors are behind lines, we'll see which way they are going to flee. :)
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@slysnake, @RexLegend I would usually turn a faction to AI after three turns without a human player. It seems like you are just using Sicily as an extension of yourselves which I don't believe is particularly fair.
Along the same lines I could have subbed the Kwaz indefinitely after silvershield left and used them to crush everyone and win the game for my own faction.
So, I'm switching Sicily to AI and I genuinely think this is the fair thing to do - but I'll of course hear your counterarguments if you have any, and anyone else please feel free to express an opinion.
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Switching sicily to the ai certainly makes sense to me at this point, and if there are no objects I will do so on my next turn.
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I don't mind it being switched to AI, the only reason Rex and I started to play it was because it had not been turned to AI in what could have been (and was) a very fruitful turn for Sicily. I do admit it is a bit unfair, so go ahead and turn it AI :bow:
Talking about Kwaz, does that mean that the same rules that apply for interacting with it now also apply for Sicily?
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slysnake
I don't mind it being switched to AI, the only reason Rex and I started to play it was because it had not been turned to AI in what could have been (and was) a very fruitful turn for Sicily. I do admit it is a bit unfair, so go ahead and turn it AI :bow:
Talking about Kwaz, does that mean that the same rules that apply for interacting with it now also apply for Sicily?
Usually an AI faction would be fair game for everyone else. I made special rules for the Kwaz because they were huge, I was uniquely placed to benefit and I thought it unfair. I think there are several factions who could take out Sicily so I'm inclined not to apply the same rules, but let me know if you disagree.
@Rougeman, Cumans are up
@Nightbringer, I already switched Sicily so no need for you to intervene.
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phonicsmonkey
Usually an AI faction would be fair game for everyone else. I made special rules for the Kwaz because they were huge, I was uniquely placed to benefit and I thought it unfair. I think there are several factions who could take out Sicily so I'm inclined not to apply the same rules, but let me know if you disagree.
@
Rougeman, Cumans are up
@
Nightbringer, I already switched Sicily so no need for you to intervene.
No, I'm fine with that. It's just that I would have felt bad attacking Sicily's settlements so soon after Myth retired from the game aha :laugh4:
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I totally agree with switching factions of inactive or retired players to AI.
In this particular case it seems somewhat similar to what NB did with Poland - using the armies of an inactive faction to his advantage. Mind you that his move would have made sense for Poland anyway, since they were at war with Sicily, too.
All I am saying is that both had one turn of making use of an inactive/retired faction - so it seems all fair to me.
But yes, good time to switch them to AI now.
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Nigel
I totally agree with switching factions of inactive or retired players to AI.
In this particular case it seems somewhat similar to what NB did with Poland - using the armies of an inactive faction to his advantage. Mind you that his move would have made sense for Poland anyway, since they were at war with Sicily, too.
All I am saying is that both had one turn of making use of an inactive/retired faction - so it seems all fair to me.
But yes, good time to switch them to AI now.
Good point Nigel - however with Poland I think we weren't sure if the player was coming back or not...that's usually why I wait three turns in the absence of other information.
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@Rougeman
gentle reminder, that your turn is due....
Edit:
One day later, I tried to download the savegame for the Cumans to skip turn.
It seems the zip-file is not downloading correctly.
@phonicsmonkey, could you upload it again?
Or even better: skip Cumans and upload the next one in line?
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Sure, when i get home later
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All, I'm very sorry to say that, due to admitted and extensive rule breaking in other hotseats, slysnake will not be continuing in this game.
I have asked a neutral party to investigate this game to see if there has been any rule breaking here and whether anyone has been disadvantaged. I'll report back on that.
In the meantime, Swabia will be turned AI.
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Could not Mith take over?
We need Swabia bad!
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phonicsmonkey
I have asked a neutral party to investigate this game to see if there has been any rule breaking here and whether anyone has been disadvantaged. I'll report back on that.
In the meantime, Swabia will be turned AI.
We'll know more before the next Swabian turn comes up.
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Triple post. woohoo
England is up, @Zim
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Mithridate
Could not Mith take over?
We need Swabia bad!
I could but it would not be fair. We have no way of reliably checking how "broken" the faction is. As a TW player you know how much of a difference a single hex of unit movement can make. Or 100 gold. Or a unit of cav. Now multiply this by an uknown amount - that's how overpowered can Venice be at the moment. Nothing can be taken for granted with this faction. The only way to play it would be to turn 2/3 of it's provinces rebel and disband 2/3 of the stacks. If this was done I'd give it a try.
I will give you more information after our internal discussions are over and after the MoT game has been thoroughly checked for further rule breaking.
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Hi guys,
just to let you know that I will be away from the keyboard for about a week now, returning on Monday 10th September.
Have a good week and keep clean and cheerful :smile:
Nigel
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Ill sub you as always ;) @Nigel
Fingers crossed i still have ur PW
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Say, just checking in. I know I'm up (and half a day late no less). Is it ok to continue or were we holding while things are resolved?
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@Zim, let's kick on for now
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@
Zim, let's kick on for now
Hell yea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw8wtBdGZkQ
Lets DO THIS!
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The foul and Evil Danish Empire continues its relentless march.
@Nightbringer
Moors
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10269
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I must announce that RexLegend will no longer be participating in this game as Denmark. This is because he made use of money cheats to boost Denmark's income.
It has also been discovered that slysnake made use of money cheats in this game as well.Meaning the Venice has been severely boosted as well.
I must now ask the rest of the players. Shall we continue the game?
The cheating that has occurred has surely drastically altered the direction this game has taken.
We could try giving back all the settlements that have taken from others, and turning them ai, but their sudden absence would surely break the balance of power in the game.
It is unlikely to take more than a few turns before I reach the victory conditions against ai opponents only.
So, shall we continue? Or should we move on to new games.
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Nightbringer
I must announce that RexLegend will no longer be participating in this game as Denmark. This is because he made use of money cheats to boost Denmark's income.
It has also been discovered that slysnake made use of money cheats in this game as well.Meaning the Venice has been severely boosted as well.
I must now ask the rest of the players. Shall we continue the game?
The cheating that has occurred has surely drastically altered the direction this game has taken.
We could try giving back all the settlements that have taken from others, and turning them ai, but their sudden absence would surely break the balance of power in the game.
It is unlikely to take more than a few turns before I reach the victory conditions against ai opponents only.
So, shall we continue? Or should we move on to new games.
Don't you still need Jerusalem to win via Grand Campaign VCs?
I propose reducing Denmark to Scandinavia/Hamburg, culling their armies by 2/3 and giving the faction to the former Norwegian player. Do the same thing with Venice and give it to the Polish player.
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Myth
Don't you still need Jerusalem to win via Grand Campaign VCs?
I propose reducing Denmark to Scandinavia/Hamburg, culling their armies by 2/3 and giving the faction to the former Norwegian player. Do the same thing with Venice and give it to the Polish player.
No, I don't need Jerusalem. I have met every victory condition except province number, which I was one away from at the end of my last turn.
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Declare NB the winner and move on i say
I really wanted to beat Phonic in an outright war however, weve hardly even begun :(
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I'm done with this game. The cheating has left me sick to my stomach and I have no appetite to continue because everything is so messed up.
I think the fairest outcome is a joint victory for me and NB, because I think I've been the most disadvantaged by the cheating, but I'm really past caring now.
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phonicsmonkey
I'm done with this game. The cheating has left me sick to my stomach and I have no appetite to continue because everything is so messed up.
I think the fairest outcome is a joint victory for me and NB, because I think I've been the most disadvantaged by the cheating, but I'm really past caring now.
Well, I would say zim and degaura perhaps suffered the worst, with you probably a bit ahead of me.
But I don't see much point in trying to sort everything out.
I do need about 4 provinces now after the last turn of Denmark, but those will come in only a couple of turns, and that will give me a victory by conquest from SS itself.
I would be willing to continue for fun, but as to actual victory conditions it is pretty much a forgone conclusion. phonics and myself are not in competition, we have aided each-other, and we have no reason whatsoever to go against each-other now. It just wouldn't make sense with how we have played this whole game so far. Even if there are no formal allied victory conditions, I think we could let it stand as a gentleman's agreement.
As I said though, I am willing to continue if others want to, although I would prefer to get new games going.
I have an interesting idea for a game where crusades could actually be used. I won't go into much detail, but the concept would be only catholic factions are playable. While restrictive, it would put everyone on equals terms as to crusading, and could really change the game up a lot with everyone trying to stay clean with the pope so as to not be destroyed by a crusade.
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Nightbringer
Well, I would say zim and degaura perhaps suffered the worst, with you probably a bit ahead of me.
Yeah the whole game is now suspect, that's for sure. Everyone who bordered either venice or denmark has been directly or indirectly affected to a larger or smaller degree. It's impossible to know when the cheating started and to what extent it directly affected anyone's chances but from my own experience I was surprised at the continual stream of conveniently strong armies appearing on the balkan front to slow my advance, after my initial invasion was so successful. I just put it down to good preparation on slysnake's part but in hindsight I really think I would have swept him away if he'd been playing fairly.
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Hi guys, I am back to play, but - oh dear - the news in MoT did not get much better.
Seeing what has happened, I would not object to bringing this game to a rapid conclusion. It is like Nightbringer says: with the departure of both the Danish and the Swabian player, a mayor power block has collapsed and now the debris of their empires lie there, ready for the Moors to pick up as easy booty.
The outcome is very predictable now and the only question of any interest is how many provinces Kiev and the Fatimids can still steal from each other or who will hold Constantinople when the final turns ends.
But that’s for Phonicsmonkey and Mithridate to decide if it is worth playing it out. For my part, Lithuania has reached the height of its expansion as much as is reasonable and actually did much better than I could ever hope for in my first game.
So I am happy to play on if that’s what people want to do, but if we can bring this game to a somewhat decent conclusion, that’s fine by me, too.
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So just to check again, does anyone oppose calling this game a win for myself and phonicsmonkey?
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Nope, and congratulations to you both. You deserved it.
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Congratulations @Nightbringer and @phonicsmonkey, for a well deserved victory.
You had a good alliance going there, even without ever formally deciding to have one.
And thanks to @Mithridate, my adversary who turned into my most reliable partner.
:medievalcheers:
Is anyone doing a "closing write-up" in the in-character thread?
If not, I may have a go at it, when I get the time during next week.
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Thanks Nigel, and feel free to have at the in-character write up. I look forward to reading it. And just so you know, me and phonics did have a formal alliance, we just weren't terribly vocal about how closely together we were working. :)