Tarot Mafia

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Originally Posted by Jan

Complicated.
Either the devil or the star.

I technically drew death, but didn't want to double up.
It was a mess and I might redo it later. Need to fake being busy for a little while.




Bold move to v read each other as partners right away.



Cobalt's pondering on Wisdom's insistence on Stett's opening makes me want to hurt cobalt, but I don't think that post comes from a wolf here. Maybe tickle him with a feather for a couple of hours.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

@[URL="https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/102868-theknightsofneeee"]theknightsofneeee

dya uses they/them not she fwiw

agree about the read on them

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I thought they might but tbh I wasn’t sure and there isn’t a thing to remind you like on MU

Mb dya <3

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Originally Posted by insomnia

@ladd

can you explain your newcomb read?

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They seem to be genuinely solving, thats really it


Skimmed mega hard last pages but i kinda liked some knights post, my insomnia and grrr v reads also a bit stronger

I prolly need to sit down when i wake up and raise the bar for being considered a villager already

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Originally Posted by Gemma

Vote: Vanta

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Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

v
stetter
newcomb
syn
arctic
ih

sure ig
insom
bop
nee

will the game end before we misyeet you who knows
cobalt

dya
themselves

lack
rask
vanta
mont

die
manti

if nee is a wolf they're prob with lackers

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

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do u want a blanket

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

hmph, im sketchy on ladd, jan, and rask a bit so we should pow wow and see which of us is mistaken (it could easily be me!)

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Why sketchy on jan?

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Originally Posted by Gemma

do u want a blanket

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no but I want you to warm my cold, cold heart part 5 with some novel takes or something besides a suuuper cop out vanta vote

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

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For me its like toan and meta, which i get is not helpful to you but has worked so far for me

If you want concrete stuff, i liked the evolution of his cobalt read and him snap calling ih/insomnia w/w but really its mostly just based on it feeling similar to last v/v games we played on here



I think this game feels hard rn cause no obv wolves but will prolly feel a lot easier after some flips

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Originally Posted by Gemma

v
stetter
newcomb
syn
arctic
ih

sure ig
insom
bop
nee

will the game end before we misyeet you who knows
cobalt

dya
themselves

lack
rask
vanta
mont

die
manti

if nee is a wolf they're prob with lackers

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Can you elaborate on that last line?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

im relatively certain we're gona lunch one of montmorency or vanta with only a slight chance of the rest of the field if mont never ends up posting

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Vanta will get vigged

Id guess ender or sheep get lunched but who knows

I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
2	Theknightsofneeee	[B][SIZE=3] EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
1	Vanta Black	[B][SIZE=3] Gemma
1	Dyachei	[B][SIZE=3] Insomnia
1	Sheepsaysmeep	[B][SIZE=3] Syn
1	Jan	[B][SIZE=3] Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	[B][SIZE=3] Sheepsaysmeep
1	nebjiamn	[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14	Not voting	dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

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Originally Posted by ladd

Id guess ender or sheep get lunched but who knows

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and if you had to guess if that even remotley stands a chance of hitting fur, what would you wager? @ladd

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Originally Posted by didistetter

I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
2	Theknightsofneeee	[B][SIZE=3] EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
1	Vanta Black	[B][SIZE=3] Gemma
1	Dyachei	[B][SIZE=3] Insomnia
1	Sheepsaysmeep	[B][SIZE=3] Syn
1	Jan	[B][SIZE=3] Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	[B][SIZE=3] Sheepsaysmeep
1	nebjiamn	[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14	Not voting	dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

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i was really gonna try to not call you a nerd this game but then you go and do this

goddammit i fucked the formatting thats tragic

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Originally Posted by didistetter

I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
2	Theknightsofneeee	[B][SIZE=3] EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
1	Vanta Black	[B][SIZE=3] Gemma
1	Dyachei	[B][SIZE=3] Insomnia
1	Sheepsaysmeep	[B][SIZE=3] Syn
1	Jan	[B][SIZE=3] Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	[B][SIZE=3] Sheepsaysmeep
1	nebjiamn	[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14	Not voting	dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

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from an optimal wagonomics standpoint, I think we need someone to move off of knee and then we're in a healthy place

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. @Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

Unvote

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this post stood out as towny because the thinking seems a bit.. weird / unusual to me at a glance. sorry if weird isn't the right word; I dont mean to imply anything negative at all. unorthodox. quirky. intriguing

The Rask read is like, a bit of a convoluted line of thought
"Newcomb/ladd is unlikely w/w" is just a contorted way to open a stance on those
the part about cobalt.. I was just like lol wat at first
the earlier Jan townread was also weird I never got it

I just think this is more what it looks like when there is a villager with a brain interestingly very different from mine, than it is when a wolf tries to craft reads

Also, there is something I buy about her "let's write the first thing that comes to mind about everyone!" post. none of the individual lines really moved me, but it just stands out as a genuine instance of a villager restless early-game / having loads of real thoughts about the game

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i was really gonna try to not call you a nerd this game but then you go and do this

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fun fact thats gonna piss u off:

one of the reasons im still FoSing you is i specifically wrote my intro with the intent of guaging ur reaction, assuming w!benneh would brush it off and v!benneh would reply "lol polarized noob" or something like that.

you didnt mention it till #214 where you called it whatever. its def not a top 10 opener by any means, but i suspect youd typically see it, roll your eyes, and think "noob town nerd"

instead you kinda talked around me in thread, and about me in a way that indicated you townread me but didnt want to offer a read on me.

that's kinda sure, fine, w/e. this is a game full of your old friends, i don't particularly expect interaction from anyone

buuuuuuuut the way you responded to reads on me while kinda noticeably avoiding reading me just *really* feels like your typical approach when you rand wolf lol.

don't wanna have to nk me, so avoid me and hope others do the dirty work

anyways you kinda guessed it right earlier not not fully

:popcorn2:

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Originally Posted by didistetter

I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
2	Theknightsofneeee	[B][SIZE=3] EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
1	Vanta Black	[B][SIZE=3] Gemma
1	Dyachei	[B][SIZE=3] Insomnia
1	Sheepsaysmeep	[B][SIZE=3] Syn
1	Jan	[B][SIZE=3] Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	[B][SIZE=3] Sheepsaysmeep
1	nebjiamn	[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14	Not voting	dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

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oof yeah I think it's time people started putting cards on the table

Vote: Theknightsofneeee

ok not gonna update it again but needed to fix the formatting so i dont lose my mind

Tarot Game: Current Votecount

Votes	Target	Voters
3	Theknightsofneeee	EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb
1	Vanta Black	Gemma
1	Dyachei	Insomnia
1	Sheepsaysmeep	Syn
1	Jan	Theknightsofneeee
1	Wisdom	Sheepsaysmeep
1	nebjiamn	didistetter
14	Not voting	dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

@dyachei hiya dya :3

iirc you tr jan, and said somethin like he's being his typical towny self

ik a few other people have echoed this, but im curious:

what about his approach so far feels like: notably towny in a way you wouldn't expect from scum jan?

i think this has been one of the more thread consensusy reads im struggling to see so im curious to hear thoughts

he feels comfortable yeah—but comfortable and memeing is... extremely within jan's scum playbook?

is it more, you wouldnt wanna vote him d1?

or is there something there you think is actually town indicative?

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Originally Posted by didistetter

fun fact thats gonna piss u off:

one of the reasons im still FoSing you is i specifically wrote my intro with the intent of guaging ur reaction, assuming w!benneh would brush it off and v!benneh would reply "lol polarized noob" or something like that.

you didnt mention it till #214 where you called it whatever. its def not a top 10 opener by any means, but i suspect youd typically see it, roll your eyes, and think "noob town nerd"

instead you kinda talked around me in thread, and about me in a way that indicated you townread me but didnt want to offer a read on me.

that's kinda sure, fine, w/e. this is a game full of your old friends, i don't particularly expect interaction from anyone

buuuuuuuut the way you responded to reads on me while kinda noticeably avoiding reading me just *really* feels like your typical approach when you rand wolf lol.

don't wanna have to nk me, so avoid me and hope others do the dirty work

anyways you kinda guessed it right earlier not not fully

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i legit read you like a book, lol

i didn't want to offer a direct/definitive read on you because it was straight up not conducive to game thread health (See: suki/hally in FTR, GH/logic in previous org games) and then ppl got going on your opener anyway so there was truly no need for me to belabor it fmpov

your last point about 'others doing the dirty work' is nonsense btw. if i'm a wolf what have i accomplished with this game plan when the game thread is largely towning you rn anyway?

on a side note, i made a conscious decision pre-game to try really hard to not make comments calling you a polarized noob/nerd (and other general abrasive/sarcastic comments @ others) cause im trying to be better and wanted to foster a cool chill environment as i invited u, and I didn't see value in mocking you earlier for sussing me while i had a tr on you

but i couldn't help it after you made a manual vote count

as an aside, stop acting like you aren't a) good at the game and b) my friend

i'm not ignoring you in favor of posting with/at others, there's just been nothing i've been interested in vollying at you besides the few things i have but if you wana interact with me just ping me. i don't think i've been avoidant so idt the idea that i'm 'not interacting' with you is fair

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

no but I want you to warm my cold, cold heart part 5 with some novel takes or something besides a suuuper cop out vanta vote

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its not cop out at all i want them to do stuff

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Originally Posted by ladd

Can you elaborate on that last line?

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if wolf shape of play matches what id expect from competent wolf with multiple incompetent or absent buds

Who do you think falls into that category?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i legit read you like a book, lol

i didn't want to offer a direct/definitive read on you because it was straight up not conducive to game thread health (See: suki/hally in FTR, GH/logic in previous org games) and then ppl got going on your opener anyway so there was truly no need for me to belabor it fmpov

your last point about 'others doing the dirty work' is nonsense btw. if i'm a wolf what have i accomplished with this game plan when the game thread is largely towning you rn anyway?

on a side note, i made a conscious decision pre-game to try really hard to not make comments calling you a polarized noob/nerd (and other general abrasive/sarcastic comments @ others) cause im trying to be better and wanted to foster a cool chill environment as i invited u, and I didn't see value in mocking you earlier for sussing me while i had a tr on you

but i couldn't help it after you made a manual vote count

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damn so that time u called me a nerd it wasnt a friendly banter

im cut :'(

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Originally Posted by Maple

Who do you think falls into that category?

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ur mom

vote: enderwiggin

22. sheepsaysmeep

3. Didistetter
11. grr - I really buy the LAMIST (stuff from the thread as well) about how they are meta obviously town. especially if they are purportedly 'stilted' as wolf they seem comfortable here so ok lol
14. Wisdom
17. Newcomb I think - has been constantly trending up like throughout the day lol

12. EnderWiggin
13. insomnia

2. Arctic

1. dyachei - I actually would townread the no-nonsense vibe, but since they said beforehand they would be like this in an NAI way it is probably actually NAI
9. Jan
8. ladd - gut pings but he did dislike basically the exact same things about TKON that I did
16. ColonelLubriderm - had some towny moments but probably the most easily fakeable out of all the towny moments so far. actually now that I think about him I'd put him a tier lower maybe. seems like maybe he's trying too hard to have towny moments
20. Theknightsofneeee - unironically I think him making a mini deal out of "I have a decent chance to be elimmed today" and saying "im just struggling with this format" multiple times are kinda towny when I dont even think his situation was that bad and not really a self-defense approach that comes to mind for a wolf maybe
21. C0balt

-- I would maybe draw a line here ? --

5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae

10. Gemma
18. Maple

(none of these are like actual outright scumreads TBH )

Separate category:

4. Vanta Black
19. Montmorency
7. Raskolnikov (just have no idea)
15. Syn

meh, I felt like maybe im townleaning people too generously so I tried a bit to compensate and I feel like I still am lol

if people want to ask for explanations or stuff there's a chance I do not want to blah blah

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

Okay yeah fake GH being bop makes sense.

I'm less mad about it not being GH I guess; bop is a vibe in and of himself.

Although i'm not entirely sure if we've actually played together or not?

I feel like half the names on this playerlist I kinda know but don't really know if that makes sense

Might need like an interpreter or sherpa type person D1

maybe @Sunbae?

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Speaking of an interpreter, there is much that I don't understand in these first pages but "fake GH being bop makes sense" in fact does not make sense. Maybe later.

hiya vanta o/

as someone who's only seen you play as wolf before:

what's your typical approach to maf and interactions as town?

Everybody just pretend I replaced in on D2 or late in d1. Had to spent the day catching up on stuff I had let slide. Will never be caught up. (IRL. In this game, maybe.)

Vote: c0balt

my reads feel stragnant and i dont love that lol.

be more scummy scum pls n ty

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Everybody just pretend I replaced in on D2 or late in d1. Had to spent the day catching up on stuff I had let slide. Will never be caught up. (IRL. In this game, maybe.)

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tbh just read some isos and do a proper catchup during nightphase

people keep referencing post #'s from like 300 posts before as if im going to like go back and and look at it for reference

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Originally Posted by didistetter

hiya vanta o/

as someone who's only seen you play as wolf before:

what's your typical approach to maf and interactions as town?

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Hi stett!

Where did you see me play?

I am not a great scumhunter, and I don't think I have a typical approach. Kinda vibey, and I have had some good streaks where I identified scum but I'm not very persuasive at getting them voted. A lot of it is "gut feeling thisi player is town, will follow their vote," but I'm pretty strict about not voting my townreads no matter what.

Do not expect any walls from me. If I'm still here by D4 I will probably come up with a very outlandish theory to explain the game.

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

people keep referencing post #'s from like 300 posts before as if im going to like go back and and look at it for reference

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I hope you do't mean me, I quoted for this very reason

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I'm pretty strict about not voting my townreads no matter what.

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https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/249.png

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I hope you do't mean me, I quoted for this very reason

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nah

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Originally Posted by dyachei

he hasnt really been forcing reads imo and has been more on topic than he is as a wolf. Like most of his posts are game related!

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tbh this could be a TMI read because I don't feel like Jan has been thattt game related lol. but I dont have any points of reference for Jan

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

12. EnderWiggin

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can you explain why you have ender so high?

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

8. ladd - gut pings but he did dislike basically the exact same things about TKON that I did

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could you elaborate on what gut pings?

also my post on knights came after your push so i could have had nefarious intentions if you now think knights is a villager

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

20. Theknightsofneeee - unironically I think him making a mini deal out of "I have a decent chance to be elimmed today" and saying "im just struggling with this format" multiple times are kinda towny when I dont even think his situation was that bad and not really a self-defense approach that comes to mind for a wolf maybe

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i think the struggling with format stuff is pretty squarely NAI, he coudl struggle with the format and still be a wolf

idk this turn around for these reasons given how much you hated his early posts seems a bit weird to me

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

if people want to ask for explanations or stuff there's a chance I do not want to blah blah

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i'll try anyway

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Originally Posted by didistetter

and if you had to guess if that even remotley stands a chance of hitting fur, what would you wager? @ladd

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prolly not bad by sheer PoE; i also think if 1 is a wolf the other is super likely to be one too

Gonna ask everyone to indulge me here and put a vote down on your top wolfread and give some insight into why that's your preferred kill.

Game is starting to get interesting, whoever said we need to kind of raise the bar of what's considered villagery is deffo right - a lot of my light v reads should really not be cutting it at this point.

But yeah this isn't super feeling like a clearly defined game on D1 where I can already see how it's gonna play out - i'm hoping we can get some good info out of this day and some concrete votes / reasons here around the midway point will go a long way.

if you're skeptical or don't want to, let me just say forcing wolves to take stances is the best thing we can do right now

I'll start.

Watching a movie with the gals

The Lobster

Good times

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Originally Posted by Gemma

Vote: Vanta

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Originally Posted by Gemma

its not cop out at all i want them to do stuff

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ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

sure

vote:sheepsaysmeep


i am still most interested on knights/sheep alignment of all the players itg

I am busy until like -2/3 hours from eod so i'll see u then barring some pop ins

Knights is my preferred D1 right now. I don't have super high confidence it's a hit, as there hasn't been a smoking gun for me, plus their talk about their own elim did strike a decent chord with me.

However, they've done three classically wolf things IMO, and it's kinda that whole "once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action" type thing.

First, the awkward entrance. Pretty much every game has some version of this; a lot of wolves struggle to hit the ground with that kind of effortless casual v energy and many of them have that "rough approximation of it, but feels a little off" note.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

nothing better than a villa rand on a new site.

<3 's to everyone i know, nice to meet you to everyone i don't.

lettuce werewolf

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basically feels like someone struggling to think of a good memey / casual V opener and just going for three of them that are unrelated.

Second, this post:

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

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This is what I'd call pretty classic IIoA - information instead of analysis. It's more a recap of Jan's thread actions / moves than it is a thought process or investigation into why Jan's doing what he's doing or what motivation might be there, or the way their posts hang together as a cohesive thread, or any of that stuff we generically call a solving mentality. It looks like work, but it's basically busywork.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

okay lets go point by point

1) just talked about that

2) I disagree bop was more villagery, i think bop's game related stuff was pretty whatever, and my villa reads on both of them were purely tone/interaction based, and because the interactions were with each other, i put them in the same tier.

(i think benneh is more villagery now but thats besides the point.)

3) the timing of the read syn gave felt right in the thread, I remember agreeing with it as I read it and felt it was a villagery thought, but obviously if i have a villa read on bop by the time i'm putting pen to paper about the read, that will color how strong my read on syn is because I now think its a wolf read on a villager. Plus syn's read was literally just a one sentence read on page 2 or whatever, it would have never gotten more than light villa read anyways.

4) /shrug emoji/ oh well. I did actually end up reading them on my phone while in bed but they weren't worth another post and tbh i was falling asleep in my comp chair while writing the reads post so my brain was just too fried to process those.


I don't think any of these should be real sticking points in your mind tbh.

maybe the sheep one i guess, but me not giving a read on sheep is probably more villa indicative of me than anything else i've done, because i would absolutely have made something up there if I was a wolf because i knew people would expect me to have a read on sheep

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Lastly we have this post to ladd defending himself from ladd's shade. This one is a pretty specific wolf archetype, a real Voxx special, called "yes I'm a wolf but your reasons are bad, now watch me defend myself and nothing else."

Defending oneself in a mafia game very often comes with a flavor of frustration, but it's a very, very unique flavor when it's a wolf and it has that subtle spice of knowing someone is right, but for the wrong reasons. I'm getting a small hint of that here but YMMV.

I'd call this about a 65% wolfread; better than a coinflip but not *much* better. Good enough to be my vote right now but I could certainly be convinced to go elsewhere by a good case.

Hint, hint.

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Originally Posted by ladd

sure

vote:sheepsaysmeep


i am still most interested on knights/sheep alignment of all the players itg

I am busy until like -2/3 hours from eod so i'll see u then barring some pop ins

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Yeah, I've been thinking about newcomb's question or prompt or whatever. And saying sheep is the simplest and most straight answer.

Which makes it annoying that you said so first, frankly.

I was considering spinning it around and instead talking about who I think might be villager, too.

Why am I awake

I dreamt that my IRL friends started playing a forum mafia game without me and I was so proud and hype

Waking up too early was doubly disappointing

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Originally Posted by ladd

can you explain why you have ender so high?




could you elaborate on what gut pings?

also my post on knights came after your push so i could have had nefarious intentions if you now think knights is a villager

i think the struggling with format stuff is pretty squarely NAI, he coudl struggle with the format and still be a wolf

idk this turn around for these reasons given how much you hated his early posts seems a bit weird to me


i'll try anyway

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lol

I will address the bolded section quickly:

"also my post on knights came after your push so i could have had nefarious intentions if you now think knights is a villager" - I think it's more notable that you listed 4 things that pinged u from neee and I was like wow, this list actually really closely resembles things that were pinging me from neee. that is more notable than "you're pushing him at this certain time and he might be a villa."

that is the entire sole thing singlehandedly putting u above null prob. also that u prob read my really long post in response to Newcomb and then the next morning the entire game immediately handwaved it and moved on might actually be like +1 town point lol.

"i think the struggling with format stuff is pretty squarely NAI, he coudl struggle with the format and still be a wolf" - I guess like, this might be a read less suited for competent players, but my take is just that groaning about it out loud seems villagery (risking seeming overly self-defensive) compared to wolf instinct to like put your head down and prove yourself town other ways

"idk this turn around for these reasons given how much you hated his early posts seems a bit weird to me" - honestly like 18 people have described my dislike of neee as quite strong and I dont know what to make of it. it's weird. I would consider my feelings on neee like gut pings at best, barely even a scumread at its peak.

I might try to address the other things but honestly probably not

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@Wisdom

ik this is meant to be a hypeing people of post, but something doesnt quite sit right.

where do you see the bolded mentality at all? that kinda just feels like you conjured it up imo.

let it cook is a valid approach—and you say as much yourself. people need time and space to post more and develope reads

idk it kinda feels like you're being prickly over nothing here?

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Yeah I got a bit mad at myself when doing the hipfire reads because of how hard it was to not shrug people off as "waiting for more content". Wrt "letting others solve the game" I'm sure I've seen like 3 people said something like that but I'm not gonna dig for it. Like you said, was just trying to bring some hype, content and confidence!

also my TKON townlean now is also not big at all it's like barely above null. it's just not a big turn-around altogether

I am willing to sacrifice looking very opportunistic to make this clarification

I've suddenly remembered my early townlean on sunbae that I had forgotten, which was for like, sunbae seemed to imply that he would be super laid back this game. but then he seemed to be able to not help himself giving pretty decent bursts of content. and I thought that breaking that "im gonna be lazy" self-imposed restriction tends to be town

Thx for the answers, so if you dont wanna kill knights anymore who do you wanna lunch?

I think ladd making multiple associative-y statements and having them kinda box me into being a good vote pings me a little bit. there's "sheep/knights would be good to solve an alignment in there" and then "sheep/ender could have a wolf and could be partners" and FMPOV it feels like that is a large majority of the background for voting me which I just feel is sussy idk

I think just like a broad "sheep flip gives information" statement that Newcomb made would actually ping me less

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Originally Posted by ladd

Thx for the answers, so if you dont wanna kill knights anymore who do you wanna lunch?

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im looking at Gemma / maple / I still sorta have my eye on knights because I'm still catching up and I know he posted some more substantial ISO's that im really tryna get to / dya has sorta been trending down?? but ehh actually I dont think I would vote there

im also sorta procrastinating on this because I wouldnt really be able to talk about any of them, it's more just like gut vibes stuff the way and not a single person stands out that like I'd feel GOOd about d1'ing the way I have in most game

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

I think ladd making multiple associative-y statements and having them kinda box me into being a good vote pings me a little bit. there's "sheep/knights would be good to solve an alignment in there" and then "sheep/ender could have a wolf and could be partners" and FMPOV it feels like that is a large majority of the background for voting me which I just feel is sussy idk

I think just like a broad "sheep flip gives information" statement that Newcomb made would actually ping me less

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You are absolutely free to wolfread me but to clarify my stance:

- i think you/knights has a wolf mostly due to my individual read on both of you and how the early interaction played out

- i think you/ender (and atp maybe knights) have the highest chance of being lunched

- i personally do not have a read on ender but i did note both ender villa reading you strongly and you villreading ender strongly (his placement is the 1 taht stuck out to me the most in your list). So should 1 of you 2 be a wolf i think the other has good odds of being as well just on level 0

you say you think me/knights has a wolf due to the individual read on us, is that like a wolfread on us individually or are we just murky? like are u able to talk a bit about a read on me individually

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Originally Posted by Maple

Yeah, I've been thinking about newcomb's question or prompt or whatever. And saying sheep is the simplest and most straight answer.

Which makes it annoying that you said so first, frankly.

I was considering spinning it around and instead talking about who I think might be villager, too.

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Sup manti

Havent had the chance to interact this game but a couple of your posts made me laugh

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

you say you think me/knights has a wolf due to the individual read on us, is that like a wolfread on us individually or are we just murky? like are u able to talk a bit about a read on me individually

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I can but i gotta go to work lol

So you ll have to wait 12 hours or so

Hello, I'm reading and thinking and watching movie

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Originally Posted by Jan

mason goes a bit far, but we can dance and see where it leads us.

no slow dancing for now.

and please change your attire first. you spilled some brown liquid on it and I am not sure if I want to associate with that.

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I'm gonna put on a pretty dress just for you :3

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Things I thought about before falling asleep:
- grr really vibed towny in his hunt for attention and affirmation
- Insomnia's want to survive d1 isn't necessarily town indicative but it sounded pure.

Immediate PoE right now is something like <Arctic, Dya, Sunbae, Vanta, Gemma, Bop, Maple, Mont, Knights> which probably contain 3-5 wolves but I don't have much confidence in <C0balt, Benneh, Insomnia, Syn, Sheep, Stett> being town either.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I can but i gotta go to work lol

So you ll have to wait 12 hours or so

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have fun working

What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just a fyi!

u asked about my Ender Wiggins townread

I am re-reading his catch-up to try to remember (note that I have read it in a self-centered ways both times).

I am just sorta pocketed by a very natural-looking progression on me. and also im looking at the timestamps his pace is pretty fast which I think is just +1 point if I like his progression lol

-> scumreads the exact same opening posts I scumread TKON for
-> calls me towny for also disliking knee
-> calls me locktown for explaining knee read by citing the exact same posts he used
-> defensive of sheep and slowly goes oh lol everyone found him scummy wtf

there was prob some other stuff but this mainly made me feel good

also I think someone made a comment calling his catch-up meta town and I was like oh really? and believed it and that confbiased him into like my upper tiers or whatever

"u" is ladd

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

Why should you have a read on me? I've made like two content posts and have been shitposting mostly

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Ladd locked you in as a villager. Tells me that I should have some read on you or ladd is a wolf with tmi (or a villager showing reads at a wall).

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect <thing> out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see <thing> they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days

and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?

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I really like this post! I don't see what Sunbae sees but it's a town point for Sunbae and a good reminder that I tend to sus Dya d1 for this exact reason. I still don't see the obv!town stuff but I believe Sunbae seeing it.

Lets try something slightly different

vote:gemma

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Originally Posted by Gemma

v
stetter
newcomb
syn
arctic
ih

sure ig
insom
bop
nee

will the game end before we misyeet you who knows
cobalt

dya
themselves

lack
rask
vanta
mont

die
manti

if nee is a wolf they're prob with lackers

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This read is like completely lacking of any sort of spice, idk if u could make a safer readlist

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Originally Posted by ladd

ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

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This vote and justification for it i realllllly hate

I am trying to think why a villager would think it'd help them solve the game and i am coming up empty

Again super mega safe vote to make

(Click on my post to see quoted gemma posts)

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Originally Posted by grr

becuz ur trying to see a connection where is none. I can see how you would potentially do but i just didnt so you're free to connect that observation to the specifics in jans reads list it just didnt happen in my head lol. i am townreading dya. i was town leaning sunbae.i dont really care about jans readslist i didnt think about it.

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and that is why you are classified as a tier 3 citizen.

back to mines with you.

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment

I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.

I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick

I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?

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Noted wrt Sunbae! Still not someone I wanna yeet today.

I find Newcomb's post about knights fairly compelling and have nothing to add to it

I thought something pretty similar wrt the IIOA specifically

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

knights did have a kind of awkward intro; whoever pointed that out, think it was rask or ender maybe, I vibe with it. didn't stick out like a sore thumb but on readback, the shoe fits for the token awkward thread entrance d1 wolf. Not a glass slipper, but at least a pair of crocs.

Talk to me about benneh; apologies if I missed it, i'm catching up and also f5'ing the thread as I do

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btw @Necomb I claim credit for this

I think someone else did too but im the OG

Vote: Gemma

I have some interest in starting a Maple wagon too. I think a lot of the thread has vaguely murkily expressed mild frowning at Maple, so it could be really interesting to see if that would actually take off. but would I actually feel like elimming that today? nahh

and also I might not be here for much of the day phase. ive been doing a lot of phone-posting in FM recently but god I took a look and this website seems unusable on mobile lol

Vote: Gemma

I was thinking about voting in Maple/Bop as well but it sure is about time wagons go wheeee!

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Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep

btw @Necomb I claim credit for this

I think someone else did too but im the OG

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fair

bus works better if you stick with it though :v

Bop specifically has quite a few posts whereof none gets him town points from me. Also saying stuff like "I might go into a knee tunnel" and "I'm basically inno child at this point" rubs me the wrong way. His town pile also smells of mold and fur.

Gemma is a fine wagon though, she's UTR and reminds me of last time I played with w!her

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

fair

bus works better if you stick with it though :v

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Lmao

Thats something thats been on the back of my mind for a while

There is someyhing bizzare about how knights/sheep evolved. Feels like knighta doesnt care about reading sheep much to me and sheep side now got weird, i cant tell if they want knights ded or not

Probably not it but fun scenario

please clear me if he flips scum