Representative Democracy [Concluded]

So Visor gets to decide?
Come on Visor, isnt this what you wanted?

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Originally Posted by Renata

So who should Cass or I be voting for? I'm ambivalent on Cuth. Could absolutely lynch el barto. After that it's a crapshoot.

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monty or barto and please look at the monty quote below this

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

More the other way around: scumminess not changed but I don't want to work against his lynch.

Cuth is a lynchpin who, despite his erratic approaches, can't ever be reliably cleared. Priority over others, even though less scummy than Winston.

Winston has sounded bad to me throughout the game, especially on Zack.

Fenn is marked lolscum from Csargo's slot, evidently following the flow of activity, but so far treading lightly. A hunch I am willing to entertain.

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So the red seems to boil down to " cuth is hard to read so we need to lynch him to find out" That about right @Montmorency??

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Originally Posted by Jabbz

Tentative vote on Vote: El Barto pending the finishing of my ISO on Cuth.

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AFAICT This currently puts us at a tie again.

El Barto is being voted in : 2, 4

and

Cuth is being voted in: 1, 5


Visor shifted his vote and put District 3 on Dice.



Taking a traditional tally/individual votes:

Cuth (7): Fenn, Schema, Riedquat, Montmorency, Zack, atheotes, BSmith

El Barto (5): Cuth, Cass, Renata, Al Sips, Jabbz

Monty (2): El Barto, Dicetosser

Fenn (1): Monstr

Dice (1): Visor

Zack (1): Winston Hughes,



@Visor - Barto or Cuth today?


@ Everyone - Thoughts on going Barto over a representative lynch (according to individual votes)?

NB order of those votes according to the lists by Monty, not picked out from thread

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

monty or barto and please look at the monty quote below this

So the red seems to boil down to " cuth is hard to read so we need to lynch him to find out" That about right @Montmorency??

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No, he reads pretty scum. That he reads less scum than some (IMO) but should still be lynched speaks to the problem of ever gaining anything useful from leaving the case to fester. He would never come off the POE.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Fenn - have you followed up on Schema?
Thoughts?

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Went back and ISO'd her, still think she's villagery. Interactions with Renata sounded natural; good response to Cuth's Sooh-pushing shenanigans EoD1; voting self for rep D2 was a bit odd and still unexplained though. Hasn't posted since the 24th so it would be nice if she could return and give thoughts.

Related, early D2 Montmorency pushing for wolf/town in Visor/Cuth and lynching Visor first for no reasons given that I could find. Also didn't seem to be concerned about Renata's vote for him, and I don't think anybody else really went after him? Gut says possible scum trying to straddle the line between too towny too live and too scummy not to lynch.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Rigid vote/read on Cuth with multiple reservations is strange.

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Yes I have reservations about Cuthillius, it's possible he's town. I'm not going to pretend to be more certain than I actually am. Still think he's the scummiest player around.

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Why is Atheotes definitely a villager?
Why is Al Sips in with your villager leans?

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Atheotes' posting has a town perspective to it in general. Add to that and he was pushing for Cuth or Chox to be lynched EoD1 which looks good for him in light of Chox's flip. Hasn't coasted on this either, he's still contributing and trying to solve.

Al Sips is just a feeling. I like his tone, and reasons for reads that he gave.

Nonzero chance we have v/v wagons here this vote spread is ew

District 1
Fenn Schema / Cuth
Schema --- / Cuth
Riedquat Riedquat / Cuth
Cuth Schema /Barto
District 2
Cass Renata / Barto
Renata Renata / Barto
Monstr Renata / Fenn
Barto Cass / Monty
District 3
Monty Visor / Cuth
Al Sips Visor / Barto
Visor Visor / Dice
District 4
Winston Jabbz / Zack
Jabbz Jabbz / Barto
Zack Zack / Cuth
District 5
Atheotes atheotes / Cuth
BSmith atheotes / Cuth
Dice Dice / Monty


If this tally isn't right, correct me via PM or before day ends in the thread.

Cass weren't you arguing in favor of a representative approach earlier today and D2? Why the shift now?

@cass I signed up to this having been told itd be low volume. I call bullshanks pizza! ive been sick and busy at work so im MASSIVELY behind in the thread.

So I haven't read much of ure stuff after D1 but am aware that u lynched scum d1 town d2. One thing I don't have recollection of you being is a busser.

An argument was made that scum wouldn't bus D1 which I called rubbish but I don't see YOU bussing there. and I could see you thinking. Which is exactly why ure first couple games you sucked me right in if you recall but its not causing me to tinfoil. probably should be but its not.

heres something for you to consider as scum?? id ABSOLUTELY be tinfoiling on you cause I KNOW you expect it.

unvote
Vote: El Barto

I guess

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

@cass I signed up to this having been told itd be low volume. I call bullshanks pizza! ive been sick and busy at work so im MASSIVELY behind in the thread.

So I haven't read much of ure stuff after D1 but am aware that u lynched scum d1 town d2. One thing I don't have recollection of you being is a busser.

An argument was made that scum wouldn't bus D1 which I called rubbish but I don't see YOU bussing there. and I could see you thinking. Which is exactly why ure first couple games you sucked me right in if you recall but its not causing me to tinfoil. probably should be but its not.

heres something for you to consider as scum?? id ABSOLUTELY be tinfoiling on you cause I KNOW you expect it.

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It's mostly me and Zack and I'm sorry at least

I was trying to cut back but I just care too much and want to talk to every player individually

Cuthillius

Maybe he’s not the only one, but given that I’ve had a few different pushes against me, and a number of people asking for reads on me, how did he go this entire game without addressing me, given he has the third highest post count?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i have literally said nothing about jabbz this entire game

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This seems to be a weak reason to be on the top of someone’s scumlist, especially knowing as we now do that he ended up being blue, like, before this post. I’m not sure if this should be read as “I really did not notice” which is bad town play, or “I’m playing like I didn’t notice.” I can’t picture a role where I legitimately don’t care who swung last, so I don’t see how this happened.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

lol
anyway
gh is still my top scum
for example, the last (only?) time he posted a readlist, he explained that it was not his, but rather consensus, which ???
i fail to see how that's exactly important or helpful for town
vote: generalhankerchief

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This post on the other hand comes across to me as very towny.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

I do think El Barto is a bit towny
I feel the way in which the thread is consensusing against him
in particular
and the way people talk about him
i personally get the sense the scum team is sitting back and enjoying the ride because everyone's going to talk about me and el barto until we're dead unless something changes
apart from that i can't really say how i feel about his posts
in a vacuum i'd say the tone is maybe sliightly towny
but there are some meh posts

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While this was only about halfway through the day, I believe both Cuth and Barto were already high on the swinging list. I see a couple of possibilities following this scenario. Cuth thinks he can get Barto to swing, and as scum, knows barto is town. Tries to give him props hoping to get cleared after he swings. Cuth thinks he is going to swing, so gives props to barto hoping town lynches him tomorrow. Cuth is town, legitimately reads Barto as town, and calls it accordingly. Both are scum and he is trying to provide cover for either himself or Bart depending on who swings.

Of those, the one I find most likely is Cuth as town. I think it’s highly improbable we managed to get two of the remaining 3 or 4 scum on the block at the same time. As to the two Cuth as scum scenario’s, they just don’t seem likely to be worth the effort for the limited potential gain.

My, admittedly somewhat rushed, read of Cuth is leaning somewhat town. He seems genuinely engaged for the most part, and while a number of his posts come across questionable, I don’t read ill intent into them as of yet. He is supporting people I find somewhat scummy (Schema), but given that my reads are far from perfect as a general rule, I don’t credit that too much.

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Originally Posted by Fenn

Gut says possible scum trying to straddle the line between too towny too live and too scummy not to lynch.

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Townie straddle the line. Good observation.

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Originally Posted by Fenn

Cass weren't you arguing in favor of a representative approach earlier today and D2? Why the shift now?

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There's no shift in my view.

I'm after thread consensus. Which never happened, and now I'm conveniently in a 'break-the-tie' spot again.

I think it gives the best results for vote analysis/overall thread representation. The problem with this? It goes against my district, and we don't vote Barto, again

unvote vote El Barto


I wont be voting cuth

Reads are town and scum are from most Town(scum) to least.

Town Lean
Cass_ (95% sure)
Renata
atheotes
Zack
Cuthillius


Don't have solid reads one way or the other
Montmorency
dicetosser1
Monstrbro
Visor
Winston Hughes

No reads due to low content
Riedquat
Csargo
Al Sipsclar

Questionable
Bsmith/Fenn

Scum Lean
El Barto
Schema

I would also note that I find the interaction between MontMorency and Monsterbro to be forced. The whole thing just feels like they are trying to distance themselves from each other, something I typically view as a scum tactic. I need to read through them, but Christmas (and my birthday in two days) ate so much damn time that I'm lucky I was able to sleep.

:30 good

:31 no good

:32 very bad, you shouldn't be posting.

5 minutes remain.

@Visorslash

Honeymoon over. Things are getting rough.

Visor is no-effect and there is a perfect tie between Cuth and Barto among the Reps and the electorate at large.

This is your power waxing, Cass. Death or glory.

I'm back. Looks like a tie again,unless I want to bury Cuth and I'm not sure I do. Last minute pitches?

Traditional tally/individual votes are now directly tied thanks to movement by Monstr and Dice.


Cuth (7): Fenn, Schema, Riedquat, Montmorency, Zack, atheotes, BSmith

El Barto (7): Cuth, Cass, Renata, Al Sips, Jabbz, Dicetosser, Monstr

Monty (1): El Barto

Dice (1): Visor

Zack (1): Winston Hughes


@Visor - Barto or Cuth today?

@everyone

If Visor doesn't answer, I'll be going Barto, can't see anything that clears him Town.

I think they are both wolves so it doesn't really matter that much to me which way it goes, cass

Cuth is wolf. I peeked him :yes:

This thread is so tense rn

Or maybe it's just me

But I think it's the thread

Renata, this might be your last night. Say something.

Cass too.

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Originally Posted by Monstrbro

Nonzero chance we have v/v wagons here this vote spread is ew

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I sure hope not lol. Looks like it's once again up to Cass to decide a tie...good luck!!

No time. I don't feel I've been very useful. :(

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Honeymoon over. Things are getting rough.

Visor is no-effect and there is a perfect tie between Cuth and Barto among the Reps and the electorate at large.

This is your power waxing, Cass. Death or glory.

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*Wrestles with the puppet strings*

Vote: El Barto