Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

[QUOTE=Montmorency;2053732084]Voting history in parentheses (not guaranteed to be complete).

Tally #C2 (Post #2790)
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Fenn	Schema		Cuth
Schema			Cuth
Riedquat	Riedquat		Cuth
Cuthilius	Schema		(GH, Fenn, Barto), Barto
DISTRICT TWO
Cass	Cass (invalid)
Renata	Renata
Monstrbro	(Monstr), Renata		(Barto, Monty), Fenn
El Barto	Cass		Monty
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	Visor		Cuth
Al Sipsclar	Visor		Barto
Visor	Visor		Dice
DISTRICT FOUR
Winston Hughes	Jabbz		Zack
Jabbz	Jabz
Zack	Zack		Cuth
DISTRICT FIVE
atheotes	atheotes		Cuth
BSmith	atheotes		Cuth
dicetosser1	dicetosser		Montmorency

District Prospects:

1: Schema Rep, Cuth Lynch
2: Cass/Renata Rep, ? Lynch
3: Visor Rep, ? Lynch
4: Jabbz Rep, Cuth/Zack Lynch
5: Atheotes Rep, Cuth Lynch

Cass, your Rep vote is invalid, again - you didn't bold.

[Cass_]

He suggested it before dice had posted his list.

aaaaaaaaand I need more sleep.


Who are your top 3 scum reads right now?

[Monstrdude]

Something I haven't seen brought up: I think Jabbz' idea that mafia framed Zack by killing Dp is exactly backwards and would consider it w/w equity if not for their day one fight. As it is, it only brings Jabbz down a notch or so in my estimation.

The DP thing doesn't look good for Zack, but how often do mafia make kills that point directly to them and their teammates

I guess it happened when I was a wolf in the championship ww finale over on PoG. My team did it to "save me" (i probably didn't need it) and then I had to go on and on about how he was probably killed because he was just right about his villagers and his scumreads were irrelevant and I had no other defense until Iwas eventually lynched for it

I guess I can see it

[Monstrdude]

@Fenn - have you followed up on Schema?
Thoughts?



Reads spoilered for size.

Mindmeld with the first part of the response to Monstr.

Rigid vote/read on Cuth with multiple reservations is strange.

Can agree with /understand most of the rest of the read order from a Town point of view/things you've explained but:

Why is Atheotes definitely a villager?
Why is Al Sips in with your villager leans?

Kk well if Barto is a wolf then I was exactly right and suck it both of you

[Montmorency]

aaaaaaaaand I need more sleep.


Who are your top 3 scum reads right now?

Cuth, Fenn, Winston/Schema

See also:

*People I would lynch before Barto if Cuth is scum: Schema, Fenn,
*If Cuth is not scum: Fenn, Winston

Also, coming to feel about Barto lynch: Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill - Kill El Defiant Guy. But don't pull that Chancellor stuff to make it happen.

[Renata]

@Renata

Where are you at with Zack?

His entrance today is better for me tone/attitude-wise, but then mismatch with Barto/Cuth reads/votes and the disappearance is ??

Also, are you going to be here until/at EoD?

Yeah, I'll be here. Kiddo decided another day with cousins at grammy's is best.

Re: Zack -- it's hard for me to go after someone like him whole-heartedly with such low-hanging fruit still on the vine, but I could see him as scum, you know?

I don't have a vote yet; what's yours?

[Zack]

How am i being shaded for "disappearing"? It's called fucking Christmas!

[Zack]

Cass we were also scum in a 13er turbo

[Cass_]

Kk well if Barto is a wolf then I was exactly right and suck it both of you

Whaa?

Cuth, Fenn, Winston/Schema

See also:

Also, coming to feel about Barto lynch: Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill - Kill El Defiant Guy. But don't pull that Chancellor stuff to make it happen.

So Barto Scummy but don't lynch him today?

Why keep him over the others?

Reasons for all those scum leans?

[Renata]

The DP thing doesn't look good for Zack, but how often do mafia make kills that point directly to them and their teammates

I guess it happened when I was a wolf in the championship ww finale over on PoG. My team did it to "save me" (i probably didn't need it) and then I had to go on and on about how he was probably killed because he was just right about his villagers and his scumreads were irrelevant and I had no other defense until Iwas eventually lynched for it

I guess I can see it

Funny post. :)

I don't know, I feel sort of lost in this game right now.

[Zack]

Plus i said i would try to post less after incessant morning and whining about my post count so screw you

[Monstrdude]

I think there are wolves pushing you, Zack

Wolves are also currently pushing Cuth atm because I'm sticking with my "I think he's a villager" thoughts

I'm scared I'm wrong and he's a wolf but the way the thread is acting especially they all seem super intent on making him the first one dead

[Zack]

Very little time; should be much better tomorrow.

Zack remains my strongest scum read at this point. Maybe I'm just stuck in a tunnel, but he just looks really bad to me again today, esp. his early focus on the Cass-as-scum theory.

Jabbz is now giving Zack solid townreads, though, to the point where it seems there's no chance he'll support me while I'm aiming that way.

Knowing I won't be around for eod, I feel like I don't really have any choice but to put the decision in Jabbz's hands.

Vote: Jabbz

Vote: Zack

So your vote for to doesn't agree with your reads, and his only posts today are pushing a weird theory that clears your soonest scum read. I like your conviction Winston

[Monstrdude]

Funny post. :)

I don't know, I feel sort of lost in this game right now.

I know the exact feeling but you are one of the few people I am ALMOST ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN is a villager so I need you right now

[Zack]

I think there are wolves pushing you, Zack

Wolves are also currently pushing Cuth atm because I'm sticking with my "I think he's a villager" thoughts

I'm scared I'm wrong and he's a wolf but the way the thread is acting especially they all seem super intent on making him the first one dead

I think cass and Winston are the only ones pushing me. Do you think the are wolves?

[Renata]

1: Schema Rep, Cuth Lynch
2: Cass/Renata Rep, ? Lynch
3: Visor Rep, ? Lynch
4: Jabbz Rep, Cuth/Zack Lynch
5: Atheotes Rep, Cuth Lynch

Cass, your Rep vote is invalid, again - you didn't bold.

So we have two votes for Cuth right now, from atheotes and schema. It would take Visor, Jabbz and either me or Cass to all vote for someone else to override that. @Visor, @Jabbz @Cass_ what are your feelings here? I don't see me voting for dicetosser (Visor's current vote).

I have the feeling Visor's going right back to Cuth in the end so this may be a moot point.

[Monstrdude]

I think cass and Winston are the only ones pushing me. Do you think the are wolves?

That's not true

Sips put you as a wolf in his list

[Zack]

That's not true

Sips put you as a wolf in his list

Meh i don't consider lifting a wolf read the same as pushing

[Renata]

I know the exact feeling but you are one of the few people I am ALMOST ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN is a villager so I need you right now

So who should Cass or I be voting for? I'm ambivalent on Cuth. Could absolutely lynch el barto. After that it's a crapshoot.

[Monstrdude]

Meh i don't consider lifting a wolf read the same as pushing

No, but it's probably even scummier to just go "yeah he's prolly a wolf" in the background while two probable villagers rail on a third

[Zack]

So we have two votes for Cuth right now, from atheotes and schema. It would take Visor, Jabbz and either me or Cass to all vote for someone else to override that. @Visor, @Jabbz @Cass_ what are your feelings here? I don't see me voting for dicetosser (Visor's current vote).

I have the feeling Visor's going right back to Cuth in the end so this may be a moot point.

I think it's crazy to lynch outside cuth/barto

[Monstrdude]

So who should Cass or I be voting for? I'm ambivalent on Cuth. Could absolutely lynch el barto. After that it's a crapshoot.

Barto is fine to resolve at this point because if he is a wolf I have a few team connections I think I can make

Can you do me a favor and iso Al Sipsclar and tell me why you think?

[Monstrdude]

...what you think

No need to tell me you think because you have a brain tyty

[Zack]

No, but it's probably even scummier to just go "yeah he's prolly a wolf" in the background while two probable villagers rail on a third

OK but you said you thought wolves are pushing me

[Montmorency]

More the other way around: scumminess not changed but I don't want to work against his lynch.

Cuth is a lynchpin who, despite his erratic approaches, can't ever be reliably cleared. Priority over others, even though less scummy than Winston.

Winston has sounded bad to me throughout the game, especially on Zack.

Fenn is marked lolscum from Csargo's slot, evidently following the flow of activity, but so far treading lightly. A hunch I am willing to entertain.

[Monstrdude]

OK but you said you thought wolves are pushing me

There have been many players that have been doing stuff like that

It was a generic sweeping statement implying I need to go back and reread all the interactions involving your slot, because I think wolves are setting you up for a mislynch

Christ pushing doesn't have to mean hard pushing

Soft pushing IS STILL PUSHING and arguing about this stuff is just semantics

[Jabbz]

So your vote for to doesn't agree with your reads, and his only posts today are pushing a weird theory that clears your soonest scum read. I like your conviction Winston

I'm pretty sure it's a focus on self preservation Zack. I don't view it as particularly scummy, but then again, I don't currently view either of you as scummy right now, and you view each other as scummy, so that's likely to shade your opinions. Further, I'd argue that based on the first part of today's conversation, the intent is for district leaders to follow the will of their district, so make an argument and I'll keep that in mind when I vote for what is likely to be a tie breaker in our district.

I'm currently working out my reads, though it's going slowly due to the size of the game so far. I'll try to get something up shortly.

[Cuthillius]

zack

and anyone who's played with me much before

you know that my actions this day phase are ~lock clearing

i want you to remember that

and commit it to your consciences

and then try to win the game tomorrow

[Renata]

I hate multiquote on this board. First half of Al Sips' posts. The only issue in here is promising to do work he doesn't wind up doing.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Vote: BSmith

Sorry for my absence - busy weekend, when I was barely able to peek out at the thread. And now I have to work, so I'm giving up on my catch up effort. Voting now based on the 200+ posts I was able to read so far. See you all tomorrow, maybe.

Vote: Cass_
Vote: Zack

Monty is like the world's largest tunnel-boring machine. Which has broken down and stalled. And I was so ready to vote him before that.

Vote: Cass_

From town to scum:

Cass_
Renata
Dp101

atheotes
dicetosser1
Jabbz
Visor

Monstrbro
Zack
Winston

BSmith
CSargo
Riedquat

Monty
GH
El Barto
Schema
Cuthillius

Need to ISO the last group to make up my mind.

He always seems scummy to me. The only time I saw him as town was because of an in-universe connection between our characters in Futurama. Need to read up.

Also, I could never understand the Zack-talk. Like this or the exchanges Zack had with Monstrbro yesterday.

[Monstrdude]

Zack what do you think about all Sipsclar

And I swear on my unborn child if you say iso me I'm gonna smack you telepathically