An alternate Political Compass

http://www.moral-politics.com/

While the Political Compass stickied is convinient, it also asks a lot of weird questions (Such as if you thought beating up your kids is a good decision). Which doesn't really have much to do with politics, in my opinion.

I just found this political compass which is, while much more simplified, its questions have more pertinence from a political point of view. After you take the test, besides giving your place in their political compass, it also gives you which system and ideology do you support, and this test got it spot on. It also lists the recent American presidents and recent American presidential candidates that match the most with your position in the political compass. Finally, it compares your score with everybody else who has taken the test, and tells you your position compared to the rest.

In any case, here are my results:

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JOLT'S SCORE

Your scored -3 on Moral Order and 2 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism (Spot on.)
2. Ideology: Social Democratism (Spot on.)
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Barack Obama (Spot on.)


Of the 562,104 respondents (10,069 on Facebook):

1. 10% are close to you.
2. 54% are more conservative.
3. 11% are more liberal.
4. 10% are more socialist.
5. 8% are more authoritarian.

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What are yours?

EDIT: Visiting the variations part of that site showed me as being within the Moderate Socialism square.

This is an interesting test, mostly in a good way.

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Your scored 4 on Moral Order and -5 on Moral Rules.


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Conservatism (Fair enough)
Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Conservative NeoLiberalism (Close enough I suppose, libertarian conservatism though?)
Party: Republican Party (-ish)
Presidents: George W. Bush (no), George H. Bush (maybe)
04' Election: George W. Bush (no out of all the choices, yes out of the Dem/Rep candidates)
08' Election: John McCain (yes)

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I'd say I was a bit closer to the Libertarian Party than the Republican Party personally. My Moral Order beliefs are largely personal and how I live my own life, and I wouldn't want to force them on others.*




*I answered based on how things should be rather than how I would make them.

While I like the quiz, I dunno about the results:

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Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -3.5 on Moral Rules.

System: Conservatism (no)
Ideology: Capital Republicanism (no)
Party: Republican Party (no)
Presidents: Richard Nixon (no)
04' Election: George W. Bush (no)
08' Election: John McCain (no)

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Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 5 on Moral Rules.


* System: Socialism

* Ideology: Social Democratism, International Socialism

* Party: No match.

* Presidents: Jimmy Carter

* 04' Election: David Cobb

* 08' Election: Barrack Obama

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I resent the 'socialism'.

I thought several questions didn't really have an applicable answer. Which may account for the party : no match. In particular, I wished that instead of 'none of the above', there would've been the option 'all of the above'.

I love how the test came up with 'Jimmy Carter'. As a matter of fact, I am indeed that other person that together with his mum thought he was a great president.

I had never heard of David Cobb before. I googled him. He's the green party candidate. Meh. But then he hails from Texas, so he's okay with me.

YOUR SCORE
Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and -2.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

Of the 562,118 respondents (10,070 on Facebook):

1. 2% are close to you.
2. 27% are more conservative.
3. 2% are more liberal.
4. 20% are more socialist.
5. 48% are more authoritarian.

Wow. I don't know about this. I don't consider myself a liberal, nor a conservative either, but definitely not a democrat. I know almost nothing about Lyndon Johnson. The 04 and 08 votes were indeed what I voted, but it was more because I hate(d) Bush and what he was doing to the US than liking the other candidates, and McCain was a bit too nutty for me.

I had a lot of problems with the test until I clicked the "show hints" button. Basically you should completely ignore the original option and go by the blue text. For example:

You should get the health care you are ready to pay for.
Basic health care should be provided to all, but extra health care should be available to you if you want it.

Although my before and after didn't change that much, I had a lot less "none of the above" answers.

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YOUR SCORE

Your scored -0.5 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama



Of the 562,120 respondents (10,070 on Facebook):

1. 5% are close to you.
2. 23% are more conservative.
3. 18% are more liberal.
4. 40% are more socialist.
5. 16% are more authoritarian.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I resent the 'socialism'.

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There are only four main systems (Divided by quadrant): Socialism, Libertarialism, Conservadorism and Authoritarism.

SOCIALISM

Socialism is a political system that blends Non-Conformance and Interdependence:

1. Children are born good and should be nurtured to become productive members of society.
2. Collective initiatives are more effective than individual ones.


Socialism believes society should be organised along social lines for the benefit of all, rather than for what is perceived as the profit of a few [Interdependence]. Its key ideas are opposition to capitalism, and a belief in equality, both political and economic [Non-Conformance].

Socialism includes these variations:

1. Economic Socialism
2. Moral Socialism
3. Moderate Socialism
4. Extreme Socialism

The variation you're in is Economic Socialism.

ECONOMIC SOCIALISM

Economic Socialism is the variation of Socialism that emphasizes Interdependence over Non-Conformance.

People in this category will tend to have have stronger opinions about expanding collective initiatives (social programs, industry regulation...) than about flexing the moral order (gay rights, ecology, drug legalization,...).

You're on the border between International Socialism and Social-Democratism, but since you resent "Socialism", I'd bet you are a Social Democrat.



EDIT: Yes, Sasaki is correct. The hints are vital to making a decision because otherwise all options are a bit ambiguous.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I had a lot of problems with the test until I clicked the "show hints" button. Basically you should completely ignore the original option and go by the blue text.

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That was extremely helpful -- thanks! The questions in blue are far more interesting that the ones on the main test. My results were slightly more accurate this time, although I shudder at being called a Republican.

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Your scored 1 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

System: Conservatism (no)
Ideology: Capital Republicanism (no)
Party: Republican Party (no)
Presidents: Gerald Ford (better, but still no)
04' Election: John Kerry (yes)
08' Election: John McCain (no)

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Your scored 3 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism (yes)
2. Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism (?, I view myself as a libertarian conservative)
3. Party: Republican Party (well, they're such idiots, but if they practiced what they preached...)
4. Presidents: Ronald Reagan (out of the choices in this poll, yes. Out of all Presidents, Jefferson)
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush (yes)
6. 08' Election: John McCain (yes)

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I had a lot of problems with the test until I clicked the "show hints" button. Basically you should completely ignore the original option and go by the blue text.

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That was quite useful, thanks.

CR

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You scored -0.5 on moral order and 0 on moral rules.
The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism, Socialism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism, Social Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

Of the 562,128 respondents (10,071 on Facebook):

1. 9% are close to you.
2. 26% are more conservative.
3. 23% are more liberal.
4. 31% are more socialist.
5. 9% are more authoritarian.

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Well, I guess that makes me the most centrist person thus far. :juggle2:

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YOUR SCORE

Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and -3.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Bill Clinton
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: John McCain



Of the 562,134 respondents (10,071 on Facebook):

1. 3% are close to you.
2. 17% are more conservative.
3. 7% are more liberal.
4. 43% are more socialist.
5. 31% are more authoritarian.

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Looks about right to me, apart from where my votes went. Another guy toward the middle.

Ajax

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Your scored -2.5 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

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I didn't even notice I was a liberal :O

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

That was quite useful, thanks.

CR

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CR, there is no such thing as Libertarian Conservative

Here are the Ideologies:

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YOUR SCORE

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism, Socialism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism, Social Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: John F Kennedy
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

I don't think I'd call myself a socialist but liberal sounds okay.

Bah, I am stuck in the corner, silly test.

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BESKAR'S SCORE

Your scored -8 on Moral Order and 7.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Libertarian Socialism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 562,146 respondents (10,071 on Facebook):

1. 1% are close to you.
2. 99% are more conservative.
3. 0% are more liberal.
4. 0% are more socialist.
5. 0% are more authoritarian.

Why do I always come out as an extremists just for holding common sense views. :dizzy2:

I did it with the blue hints on. The compass now describes me as some sort of communist environment nazi. *kicks compass*
Oh well. Lemur was outed as a crypto-Republican. :hammer:

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Originally Posted by Jolt

People in this category will tend to have have stronger opinions about expanding collective initiatives (social programs, industry regulation...) than about flexing the moral order (gay rights, ecology, drug legalization,...).

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When put like that, it sums me up pretty well.

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You're on the border between International Socialism and Social-Democratism, but since you resent "Socialism", I'd bet you are a Social Democrat.

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I'm not a socialist of any sort. I am centrist-right. MoDem to be exact. I think I'd be pretty mainstream Democrat in the US, neither the looney left nor tempted much to occasionaly swing to the GOP, so I was surprised the test twice couldn't link me with a party (I presume the test is American).
Sarkozy, Obama and Barroso suit me just fine - all three are pretty right wing without any trace of
(hyphenated) socialism.

From what I read from you Loius, you are pretty left-wing, not right-wing. Post your answers we have a clearer look?

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Your scored -4.5 on Moral Order and 4.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich



Of the 562,151 respondents (10,071 on Facebook):

1. 3% are close to you.
2. 77% are more conservative.
3. 11% are more liberal.
4. 4% are more socialist.
5. 6% are more authoritarian.

It's fun. :yes:
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ok, that test is broken or you lied. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Jolt

CR, there is no such thing as Libertarian Conservative

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Correct, there is no such thi-

Well, what do you know, this article must be brand new then, since nobody seems to have heard about it. Seems that CR and myself are on the cutting edge of political thought. :2thumbsup:

EDIT: Ah, I see what you mean, there isn't any libertarian conservatism on that chart. Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Why do I always come out as an extremists just for holding common sense views.

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All of our views are "common sense" - to ourselves. ~;)

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Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 3 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: David Cobb
08' Election: Barrack Obama


Of the 562,160 respondents (10,073 on Facebook):

5% are close to you.
44% are more conservative.
35% are more liberal.
12% are more socialist.
3% are more authoritarian.

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That sounds about right to me. Very fun. :yes:

EDIT: I would like to add that I have no idea who Jimmy Carter or David Cobb is.

YOUR SCORE
Your scored 2 on Moral Order and -1.5 on Moral Rules.


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush
6. 08' Election: John McCain

Of the 562,162 respondents (10,073 on Facebook):

1. 4% are close to you.
2. 10% are more conservative.
3. 28% are more liberal.
4. 50% are more socialist.
5. 5% are more authoritarian.

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To elaborate:

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1. System: Socialism

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I believe in no ideal system

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2. Ideology: Social Democratism

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Same goes for ideologies. As for a political system, I'm an open liberal/constitutional monarchist.

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3. Party: No match.

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:yes:

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4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter

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:gah2:

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5. 04' Election: David Cobb

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David who? :inquisitive:

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6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

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YOUR SCORE
Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -4 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: Richard Nixon
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush
6. 08' Election: John McCain

Of the 562,165 respondents (10,073 on Facebook):

1. 4% are close to you.
2. 8% are more conservative.
3. 11% are more liberal.
4. 64% are more socialist.
5. 12% are more authoritarian.

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Bollox. I am indignant over being called a Republican. I wish not to be tainted with that party of ignorance, intolerance, religious zealotry, and like evils. This test has a clear American slant, not surprising either, but it does make it restrictive. I for instance, am a strong atheist, and no Republican can admit that and still advance his career.

Not to mention, 12% are more authoritarian? Doubleplusbad bollox. This is a better test, more complex and longer too:

This one is the only that managed to gauge me absolutely, impeccably correctly. I am a strong authoritarian, a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.


Generally, the longer the quiz, the better. Especially if the questions are divided into three categories: how much power you think should be given to the government, what is your social stance, and what is your fiscal/purely political stance.

The big difference between political compass and this one, is that political compass actually puts me on the opposite of the Authoritarian scale (on the correct side).

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Why do I always come out as an extremists just for holding common sense views. :dizzy2:

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Nazi's thought it was common sense to wipe out obviously common sensed inferior races. Are you saying they are wrong???

EMFM, yeah I meant it in the compass. But yes, I had no idea what Conservative Libertarian was as well. It's like someone saying they are Commie-Nazis.

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Originally Posted by Jolt

EMFM, yeah I meant it in the compass. But yes, I had no idea what Conservative Libertarian was as well. It's like someone saying they are Commie-Nazis.

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I disagree, strongly. Conservative libertarians or libertarian conservatives (they are different, however slightly) see both ideologies as almost natural combinations or extensions of the other. Small government, the free market, free speech, and etcetera.

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YOUR SCORE

Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -6.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: Ronald Reagan
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush
6. 08' Election: Ron Paul :laugh4: No.



Of the 562,185 respondents (10,075 on Facebook):

1. 3% are close to you.
2. 2% are more conservative.
3. 3% are more liberal.
4. 75% are more socialist.
5. 19% are more authoritarian.

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All in all, my results seem to be in line with all the other compass tests. :shrug:

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1. System: Socialism; Yeah, Why not?
2. Ideology: Activism
3. Party: Green Party (No.)
4. Presidents: John F Kennedy (Oh, yeah)
5. 04' Election: Ralph Nader (No)
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich (Eh.)

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I thought this test was terrible. I almost dismissed it immediately on the basis of my opinion that an accurate reading can't be achieved in just 16 (some of them poorly worded) questions.