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It;s an odd question to ask from a preson who personally disagreed with him on many issues, and personally got upset with him at least once (over a silly issue, I might add,) but according to his profile, he has not been to the org in more than half a year. He was a man for whom I have much respect, and I now miss him. Does anybody know what has become of him?
Great guy had lots of fun debating politics with him, half decent at multiplayer as well...
Gawain suffered a family tragedy, which knocked his posting down to zero. He came back very briefly, but it looks as though he wasn't getting the same pleasure from debating that he had before. I hope he'll come back, but on his terms and in his own time. And only if he enjoys it.
I miss Kapo too. The whole thing with Gawain was tragic (it was his brother, I believe?), and I hope, like Lemur said, he's back on his own time and when he gets the same pleasure from debating that he once did. ~:mecry:
Yep, I miss ol' Gawain. The Great Immovable Object of the Org. :bow:
I think it is safe to say me and him got in the most scraps between each other than anyone else - but he was a great guy and I always had the utmost respect for him, even if sometimes I didn't declare it in my posts. I miss the guy, the tragedy with his family happened at a time when I wasn't posting here and so I didn't get to say farewell to him. The org is and specifically the backroom, is a poorer place for not having him here.
I thought of him lately and agree it would be nice to have him back, if he wants to come back that is.
He is over at TWC I think posting as Rush Limbaugh.
He did come back for a short while, I think mainly on issues relating to Ron Paul. And, contrary to the posts now proclaiming respect, his views were quite brutally blasted and I haven't seen him since. To be quite honest, he did post in utmost seriousness some very curious links about Jesuit conspiracies and the like, and I didn't quite know what to think.
Whatever happened to Pindar? Now there is a guy I really miss.
I miss Gawain , it was fun trying to find out which fruitcake websites he was taking his cut and pastes from .
That Sihk extremist terrorist one was quite hard to track down , but it made a nice change from the crazy zionist ones .
His light shineth not but the light isn't the question because illumination isn't the answer as it doesn't comply with the light that he wants it to .Quote:
Whatever happened to Pindar?
Pindar was amazing , he could go on for page after page simply avoiding a question that he didn't like the answer to .
It takes one to know one, I guess. :tongue2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Pindar asked interesting questions, which is probably more important to our forum than giving the 'right' answers - let alone giving the same answers all the time. And no, that's not directed at you, Tribesy. You usually have a surprise up you sleeve.
I agree. Most answers can be found on the Internet, generally taking a few seconds to find. Questions are far harder.
~:smoking:
It was probably more that you did not like his answer than it was that he avoided your question or it was probably you did not understand his answer. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No Dave it is that he would switch into typical lawer mode and studiously avoid anything whatsoever that weakened his case .:yes:Quote:
It was probably more that you did not like his answer than it was that he avoided your question or it was probably you did not understand his answer.
That's true. But he also had a very subtle sense of humour that had me roaring with laughter behind my keyboard from time to time. I really miss our old sparring partner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I miss Gawain too! Old times...
For that matter, where's AntiochiusIII? Econ21? Shajihikata (or something)? And the incredible Red Harvest, if anybody remembers him? They're all sorely missed! ~:mecry:
And speaking of great minds, where's Bijo, surely the most accomplished logician to have ever graced the .Org?
And I also remember this one guy, brilliant but a complete pompous piss - Haruchai? If only he were here now he'd be in for it from me...
Heck, all the good debaters are pompous pisses, and that includes you. We should have an alumni day with those who left us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Speak for yourselve I am just :daisy:.
That's why he said good debater :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
For the record, you arent the only one who remembers Gawains comeback as less the glorious. Gawain's achillies heel was he loved his country and his skin wore thinner as time went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
Don't honestly recall the admiration/respect at the time, but I had a couple of opportunities to chat with him in PM in some detail. He's a good guy who seems to choose the bits and pieces of reality that suited him and created his own ideal.
Sound familiar?
Man... I just remembered him as an okay dude with good taste in music. Damn.
I never agreed with his political views, as far as I remember, but he kicked my ass, and everyone else's, when it came to music.
Pindar formally resigned in reaction to an altercation with a moderator in which he felt he was treated rather unfairly. I don't think it was so cut and dry as he took it, but I understand him being upset. I don't think he'll ever post here again, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he comes in to read.
Gawain just lost his 'joie de vie' around here. Yes, a large part of it was the tragic loss of his brother, I think he gave up on us too, though with a whimper, as opposed to Pindar's bang. It wasn't entirely his fault, he was becoming a man without a country towards the end, and I don't think he knew who he was angrier at, the crazy lefties in Washington or the crooked righties.
I have a theory about long timers on the board. Much like Anne Rice's discussion of vampire's periodic need to 'slumber away' for long spells, I think the Org can wear on us, as it is frustrating as it is intoxicating at times.
I miss them both and if they do lurk, Be Well! and know that I hold you both in high regard.
I came in near Gawain's waning days, prior his family disaster. I always held him in high esteem, even if I didn't necessarily agree with him, he seemed stubborn but concise and clear on why he was stubborn. A trait most Orgahs don't have these days. Anyways, if your still lurking, you are really a cool dude.
hmmmrph BG took out the fun :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conradus
Thank you very much for that piece of information. I never knew this. It is very bad news for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
It feels weird to post here knowing that Pindar may be reading the forum (he is still a member with Backroom privilege, I checked). It probably sounds melodramatic - but if he reads this, then let this be my salute to a worthy opponent and someone who - behind his tough, rational and lawyerly appearance - is as deeply romantic as I am. We share a profound love and respect for the oldest written sources of mankind, and will never cease to marvel at the words of those earliest preachers, thinkers and scribes. I hate to think that we will never have one of those pagelong threads in the Monastery again, around Christmas or Easter, in which Pindar and me and other interested members took each other's measure and exchanged tentative views and incomplete thoughts.
So this is one unhappy Adrian II. And I am not satisfied that this was inevitable. Please PM me about the matter, anyone who feels like it.
I wanna know what happened... :brood:
Ahh yes Haruchai, a master debater. :bow:
:laugh4:
I remember reading some of Gawain's posts when I was first making forays into the backroom (Mainly as a lurker), and he always had a very well-thought-out opinion.
Now excuse my ignorance, but what country was he from? And please don't say Orkney. I will feel like an idiot...
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Originally Posted by CountArach
I do think he had some strange views (among the more sensible ones that I could agree with) but regardless he was a great guy. I don't recall him ever being impolite towards another orgah, wich is rare enough here. I hope he drops by again some day.
I want to say Pennsylvania or New York, somewhere in the Northeastern Quarter of the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Gawain was a former marine from Brooklyn, in his late 50's/ early 60's.
Vietnam vet, IIRC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Good guy, lots of respect for him. Terrible thing about his brother :sad: I hope he returns someday.
NY , way up the island .Quote:
I want to say Pennsylvania or New York
Wasn't that camera work in Japan ?Quote:
Vietnam vet, IIRC?
Centereach, NY
I remember that for some reason.
He lived right around the way from me I remember.
Pindar is sorely missed. That guy ruled. Red Harvest and Antiochus had some zingers too, if I remember correctly.
If Red Harvest happened to be an American Liberal who was always quite well-researched then I can tell you he is alive and well.
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Thanks for sending me PM's, guys (you know who you are), and clearing up this Pindar business for me.
I guess it was inevitable after all. Pindar had a unique style and he played for keeps, two characterictics that were bound to clash with the views and styles of moderators and admins who have the day to day running of the .Org in mind. Senior Members are given quite a bit of latitude on this forum. In recognition of that fact, and out of respect for our excellent volunteer mods and admins, the latter deserve the same latitude.
So I shall stick my disappointment where it belongs. Honour and respect keep this site alive. Every PM I got confirmed that. :bow:
He was (is?).Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I often disgreed with him, but he was not one to bring a knife to a gunfight.
I recall his posts during the idiotic back-and-forth hurricane evacs from the Texas coast. If I recall, he subsequently moved and lacked time to play here anymore.
I don't think I understaood your answer.:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I miss G Money too...
But Pindar? Good Lord. With him debate was always a game of endurance rather than skill. I think he knew my weakness: when looking at written material on the internet, my eyes begin to glaze over if my right-hand slider bar is less than 4cm long. He used true lawyer tactics when debating: bury the other guy with filings and briefs...
:laugh4:
As for Gawain, I'm truly sorry for what he had suffered. Hope he hits back some time.
However I don't miss a tidbit of Pindar the I'm-So-Knowledgable-That-I-Can-Call-You-Retards. There is a huge difference between being knowledgable and wise and Pindar had none of the latter. I'm fine with him being away. I guess he's filling a text file with "All GAH!ers are retards" line right now -must be enjoyable for him.
Is Redleg active ?
I guess we all have our preferences, but let's refrain from kicking members who are gone. The only one you are hurting with your comments on Pindar is someone like me, Len. Was it worth it?
BOOOOOOOO! BOOOO I SAY TO YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
BOO THIS MAN!
Tell me you didn't like it. I think he humbled a number of our liberal overlords. It is important to be jousted with by elders and intellectual superiors. Hell, it's why I come to these boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
McGruff and others, let's leave it at this. I trust that Len will realise what he said is dishonourable.
He hasn't died. If anything a low blow will give him reason to come back and defend himself. "yoyoyoyoyo did you hear what he said bout yo MAMA!???!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Say what you'd like about Pindar, on these boards he was a hero to the right and those who like to argue logically whatever the outcome. I would say the same about you, Adrian, should you leave us (switching the appropriate word for "left".)
Tastelessness is not banned here - DevDave and myself would have been gone long ago ;-)
(I'd mention Horetore and others but they might not see it as a joke, so I wont mention them)
teehee:juggle2:
haha Adrian, we are disagreeing about what people should say about Pindar and I'm defending the guy who attacked him.????
I don't understand why some personality is not open to criticism. The words above were the exact ones I had told Pindar in the face. I feel no shame over it, sorry. This is freedom of speech to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
I guess we are! :laugh3:Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Did you catch what Banquo said in the other thread? This is what makes the .Org such a bleedin good website.
:bow:
And Len, there is more to this site than freedom of speech.
Switching virtues as you like, don't you? :coffeenews:Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
I'm not missing someone who had his nose high up enough to call a bunch of members "retards". I don't respect one who fails to show it.
And also why should I favor him since he's your "buddy"? It is a Middle Eastern tradition where you defend your acquaintances at all terms whether they are wrong or right. Muliculturalism in effect, eh ?
I always defended freedom of speech. I never defended personal attacks. No change there. No contradiction either.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
You're right, you can say what you'd like and I'd disagree with you. Do it if you feel it is necessary. I hold Pindar in high esteem on these boards, but if you feel as though he had suffered from an intellectual vainity, you are free to voice the opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Others can make up their own minds regarding Pindar and I'm sure that their opinions would come out more favorably.
I don't mind personal attacks when they relate to the forum.
If he had passed, the flippancy would be met with anger, but he has simply left, so it isn't.
It's strange, but it does feel wrong to me to speak ill of people who have left the org. This makes no sense, I know. It's not as though anyone has died. And yet, and yet ... for some reason it feels really wrong.
I can't defend the feeling, but there it is.
That's honour speaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Ah sorry this should really have been a "they were all incredible entities that cosmic energy blessed upon us" ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
He calls us retards, that's superb intellectual P1nd4R-stylez. However when I repeat what I had told him when he was here once more, as a simple way to underline my thoughts about him, I'm going ad hominem.
Sure, what a nice paladin party.
I am feeling no respect for one who had made "collective" personal attacks.
You made that perfectly clear, don't worry. You also made it perfctly clear that you couldn't care less about the feelings of other members.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
That's dishonourable. No further insult or innuendo can wipe out that taint.
I'm done here.
Since neither of the two members are here to rebuttal comments left about them maybe its time to let old dogs die. They arent around and dont look like they are coming back. I enjoyed both Gawain and Pindar, and I disliked there style at times as well.
That being said I would welcome both back and enjoy their posting, but there gone and choose to be so both for reasons most of us know, personal choice.
Sometimes the kitchen at the org gets pretty hot, there is unfairness, bias, dislike and genuine lack of honor. Yet its a choice to be here, we choose to carry on they choose not too. Lets close the chapter on it and hope they come back and help those who choose to stay write the next chapter.
:thumbsup:
I value being more of a "man" rather than being a walking encyclopedic philosopher. I can't like one since you like him. Also "caring less about the feelings of other members" seems the exact way expected from someone as clever as you: "Look! he's so selfish and arrogant !". (AdrianII for Dummies)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
No wonder why you two like each other. "Intellectual vainity" at work. I've just been labeled by a superior.Quote:
That's dishonourable. No further insult or innuendo can wipe out that taint.
I hope we all are.Quote:
I'm done here.
And always fair and never says anything uncalled for. You have my respect Sir, even if we disagree at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Left, Adrian has offered you some good advice and judging by your comments about Pindar, I'd take them before you prove the "retard" theory.:laugh4:
I failed at searching the Backroom for that topic. It's been disallowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
But I remember a number of members reacting unpleasantly while Pindar the Übermensch never took his word back. Honorable indeed, so much to defend after years.
It should be easy to find , try under "I used to be concieted but now I am just perfect" , there were several along those lines , or perhaps "there isn't a bushel big enough to hide my light" .Quote:
I failed at searching the Backroom for that topic. It's been disallowed.
Should I quote Tribesey's by adding a comment saying "That's honour speaking." underneath, I wonder.
Um, no, I'd really avoid populism at all costs.
This is not why I started this topic. :stare:
You can say a hell of a lot about someone when they cannot answer back or defend themselves. So I would very much appreciate if you did not.
Dramatizing belongs to other fellows, I had voiced a mere opinion. However I had to answer so I contributed in the deviation, sorry for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Joe
And please don't worry, Pindar had read exactly what I've told here about him. He had not much to say rather than insisting that he was the "divine truth" and I doubt his highness would change his mind.
Off I go, please continue. I have unwillingly stirred enough, sorry.
Meh, too much unfriendliness here. When we ought to be discussing Haruchai!! I swear, if he ever posts here again I'll report him to the mods! :smash:
Who else is missing? Occasionaly I read a thread from 2005, and then I realise how many people have come and gone over the years. Bit sad. Can't believe I've been here for so long already. Amazing.
And there are all those lurkers who barely post or are not around much anymore: Soulforged, Prole (get yer arse back into the backroom), the three orgahteers Brenus, Tristus and Meneldil. Doc_Bean. Mouzza. Watchman. Hurin Rules, who made a brief reapperance to present his book and then left.
I mentioned one whom I miss in another thread - Aenlic. It was fascinating to debate with an anarchist who really knew his philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
That Haruchai fellow was last seen hunting a Snark that turned out to be a Boojum...
How about faisal ? After the anti-Islamo rage back then, he felt the need to turn away from Backroom as well.
to answer Yes I am - just not as much now with my new job which has me travelling and to tired at night for much dicussionQuote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Hang in there, Red. Hope to have you back again one of these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
:bow:
Don't worry LeftEye, most here agree with you on the Pindar thing - you just have the guts to say it. He was an intellectual snob of the highest order and I can honestly say whenever he entered a discussion here I immediately didn't bother looking at it again - it always ended up 4 pages later of huge posts by him talking about how intellectually great he was ... To himself. Anyway, I don't wanna stir up the clear emotions shown by certain people here, who have a somewhat limited and plain wrong view of the guy. Feel free to call me dishonerable too if you like, it aint bothered me before! :)
:shame: JAG, please... I do not wish for this thread to degenerate to verbal stabs at people who cannot return the favor. Let the dead rest in peace. LEN did.
I've asked the guy who I think may be Red Harvest to drop in. Let us wait and see...
Guts to post feelings on a website?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Who cares what JAG thinks? Smart kid, but he is one of the most biased guys on this site. If he didn't feel that way about Pindar I would be insulted.
It is funny to read JAG call a conservative an "intellectual... of the highest order", though...
You know Jag, you're a very, very intelligent young man, filled with compassion and caring for others. Your parents should be very proud of how you've turned out. But somehow, in your development, you skipped the chapter on learning to respect others with views different than your own. I don't argue that Pindar could be a bit high-brow at times, but I also KNOW that if he took a position closer to your own, you'd have no such problems with him. Learn to respect the views of others and you'd be one of the finest young minds I've had the pleasure to encounter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
LEN, I don't know the personal history between you and Pindar, but I assume there has to be one, as your attacks on him are very out of character for you. You've always struck me as one of the most moderate, most temperate, most empathetic regulars in the backroom. Frankly, I'm a little shocked by the tone of your posts towards Pindar. I always credited you as being much kinder, much friendlier than that. And I know that comes off as a bit hypocritcal with some of the broadsides I've fired off at people in my days, but in truth, I always thought you were nicer than I am.
I can respect people who hold views different to mine - indeed earlier in this thread I stated how I miss Gawain and I respect him... But the problem I had with Pindar wasn't anything to do with his poilitics, merely the way he was here. It is insulting that you would think I can't get along, respect, talk and intereact with people who hold differing opinions to mine.
If I am honest, in this thread I didn't post anything about Pindar and my feelings, and I wasn't going to until I read the attacks on LEN. How dare he get attacked like that by certain people here, who seemingly think they are not only whiter than white, but have some special dispensation at this place. Since when do they have the allowance to attack members, but LEN stating opinion about someone (who doesn't even post here anymore), is an outcast and terrible person. That, quite frankly, pissed me off.
And Tuff - Pindar was an intellectual and a clever guy, regardless of his politics that has to be respected and I have no problem saying it - that has nothing to do with my opinion on the guy. And I am not bias, just clear and direct in what I believe - doesn't mean my views don't change though.
And with that broadside testimonial, we shall end this particular phase of the "Where are they Now?" show (yes, it has been done before, repeatedly. And, no doubt, will be again.).
Several things are clear:
Love them or hate them, oldtimers are missed for their input and style.
"Honour" is highly valued by backroomers. And
we can fight over any old topic suggested.
Thanks for all contributions. :bow:
Thread is closed.