Hax's Great Faction Swaps

Greetings, young padawans!

Today, Strategos Hax will inform you of his newest project. He calls it:

The Great Faction swap

This is how it will go. Some factions will be swapped around with others. The current ideas are:

Koinon Hellenon - Basileion tes Bosphorou (the Kingdom of the Bosphorus)

Epeiros/Baktria - Pergamon

Saba'en - Meroë / Numidia

Arverni/Aedui - Thraikia

Arverni/Aedui - Galatia

Casse - Belgae

Koinon Hellenon - Massalia

Koinon Hellenon - Syrakousai

Of course, Strategos Hax would be most pleased if anyone of you would give their ideas. At the moment, I'm getting tired of using the third person, so I'm busy with the Kingdom of Bosphoros. However, I'm not sure whether to give them mounted bodyguards (and even then, classic Hellenic bodyguards or steppe noble cavalry) or dismounted bodyguards (taking the classical Somatophylakes Strategou).

Till we meet again, friends

-Hax


Basileion Bosphorou (v0.7)
http://rapidshare.com/files/136991767/Bosphorou.rar OUTDATED
Belgae: (v0.7)
http://rapidshare.com/files/188668433/Belgae.rar
Pergamon: (v.071)
http://rapidshare.com/files/203752321/Pergamon_0.71.rar


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Pergamon - v0.71

Features:

New faction Pergamon
Somatophylakes Strategou for Pergamon
Unique victory conditions for Pergamon
New family tree for Pergamon

Download link found above.

Next release:

Diplomacy altered, alliance with Arche Seleukeia, Baktria, Pontos and Pahlava, war with Ptolemaioi.

Update #1:

Basileion tes Bosphorou.

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https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/...Bosphorus1.jpg
https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/...Bosphorus2.jpg
https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/...Bosphorus3.jpg

Finally I've managed to get everything to work properly. Now it's just about changing the names of the faction guys (which gives CTD's, strangely) and changing the skins (I guess I'll take the Baktrian ones, as they have about the same colour.

I like the idea, but I don't really see the need for Thrake, Galatia nor a Chersonian Kingdom.

What I do in my EB is rename Arverni to Galli, Aedui to Belgae and Qarthadastim to Numidia once i've captured Kart-Hadast, it works like a charm.

Nah, it's not really a need, but it's more like if people want to play with Pergamon, f.ex, or the Bosphoran kingdom, they can easily download the files from here instead of swapping everything around.

Great idea ! :2thumbsup:

hope to see more of this soon :sweatdrop:

I may be biased, but I think Epeiros is a perfect fit for Pergamon. Loss of them doesn't really upset much anywhere else in the game either. Let's face it, had our game started in 270BC, Epeiros wouldn't even be a faction. Unlike the removal of Baktria, which would destabilise the far east.

Galatia really isn't rich enough to support a faction with one province.

On the other hand Thrakia (starting out with Tylis and/or Naissos) definitely is.

I agree with you there, Quintus, on the Epeiros part. However, putting a faction in Galatia with perhaps also Bithynia would make them rich enough as well as pose a threat to everything there.

At the moment I'm quite stuck with a weird bug that won't let me load or save when playing the Bosphoran campaign.

Also:

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https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/...Bosphorus5.jpg

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/...Bosphorus4.jpg

Brilliant going, Hax! I wouldn't even know where to start. I hope the next one you do is Epeiros and Pergamon.

What's the deal with the units, though, existing ones in the same RZs?

Did you actually do the description and VC´s yourself for just this, or are they part of a greater project to make the Basileion tes Bosphorou a faction in EB2? And no, I don´t expect a serious answer to that question.

Great going, hope to see more (and use this thread as a spotting ground for EB2 factions, mohhaha (unless of course they do it on purpose to make us think these are the factions, but in truth they aren´t (or maybe that´s what they want me to think (or perhaps, that has actually been their goal all along)))).

Will this encompass changing recruitment as well? For example removing phalanx units from Pergamon's roster, perhaps adding Galatian Heavy Spearmen and Galatian Tindanotae to it?

As of the moment, I'm nearly done with the Bosphoreans.

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Did you actually do the description and VC´s yourself for just this, or are they part of a greater project to make the Basileion tes Bosphorou a faction in EB2? And no, I don´t expect a serious answer to that question.

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I did everything myself, though it wasn't really that difficult. Most difficult thing I think was changing the victory conditions map of Pontos to the one we use now.

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Will this encompass changing recruitment as well? For example removing phalanx units from Pergamon's roster, perhaps adding Galatian Heavy Spearmen and Galatian Tindanotae to it?

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At the moment, I haven't really started with Pergamon, but it is very likely I will add this in as well. I'm also working on traits and that kind of stuff, so instead of it just looking like a migration campaign with a faction it will look like a real faction.

Edit: Also, I'm really in need of some help on the Galatians, specifically their rulers.

This is a brilliant idea and mod. Might try it when 1.2 comes out. I think you should give Sparte and Athens huge garrisons and standing armies though so Macedon will still have some challenge in southern greece.

Hax you would have had the same issues as myself looking at what you're doing, please check this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=105200
Cheers

I wouldn't take KH out of there, I'd replace (even though I love them), Baktria for the Bosphorian Kingdom. Similarily, To create the Boii/Early Vandals (forgotten their real name), I'd put Arverni/Aedui up there.
Epieros I would put as Pergemon, and move Saba over to Numidia. To make life more enjoyable, perhaps put a landbridge between England and France? Just my $0.02...

Thing is, I have already taken the KH out of Hellas, for this reason:

Easier recruitment stuff for the KH (I hardly have to change anything there, seeing how the Bosphoros was a classic Hellenic state)

I suppose... but now Hellas itself is going to be fairly inbalanced, unless you have a Satres-type charachter there to protect it. Haven't a clue as to how you'd go about it though...

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I suppose... but now Hellas itself is going to be fairly inbalanced, unless you have a Satres-type charachter there to protect it. Haven't a clue as to how you'd go about it though...

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That's the way to do it, it's not too difficult if you simply copy and modify the existing parts of the EB script, and possibly add a trait or two to the EDCT.
As Dumbass said, southern greece should be heavily garrisoned to both represent the city states and prevent the Maks from turning into a superpower.

This is what I am doing at the moment. I've got a few problems with spawning characters there, but hopefully it will all work tomorrow.

I wonder if there are any guys around who are willing to help me playtest this?

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This is what I am doing at the moment. I've got a few problems with spawning characters there, but hopefully it will all work tomorrow.

I wonder if there are any guys around who are willing to help me playtest this?

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I've got about 3 EB installs as it is so adding one more couldn't hurt (plus might help me pin down your governments problem if I've got the files if you are unable to fix).
Count me in anyways....

Will we have an option to choose which factions to replace? :idea2:

Or is that too complicated?

Perhaps in future releases I will also make an installer which gives you the option to choose which ones you wish to replace. As for now, I'll just upload files with the backup, yo.

This is an awesome idea. More power to ya.

Hmmm What about make Lusotannan another faction? Like the Boii.


And to those who mentioned a Satres character. Phyrros of Epeiros..lol


BTW make the Spartan one have a beard and be called Leonidas, please, for me?.

interesting.

excellent work Hax i have been seriously thinking about doing a galatian mod for the casse. since they pretty much hang out in the tin isles away from the other powers. I have played many fun galatian campaigns with war on all sides and managed to hold back both silver and gold death, pontus, and maks at the same time. Gotta love all the mines in asia minor!!!!!!!

Casse for Galatia is indeed a very interesting idea. Thank you.

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BTW make the Spartan one have a beard and be called Leonidas, please, for me?.

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Perhaps I will, haha.

Hax,

please do Galatia. I desperately need a counterbalance to yellow death in Asia Minor, and I'm tired of them swallowing up antioch, pontus, and armenia by 250bc

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Hax,

please do Galatia. I desperately need a counterbalance to yellow death in Asia Minor, and I'm tired of them swallowing up antioch, pontus, and armenia by 250bc

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I suspect given Galatia's lamentably poor economy, Pergamon is a much more effective counterweight. Especially since the stuff on the western tip of Anatolia is very rich indeed.

the thing is i did give casse the brihentin bodyguard. i find it justified because of the bodyguards of the ptolies, selucid, pontus, and hai bodyguards. I tweaked them just a tiny bit aswell not much though!!!!!:beam: playing with the chariot bodyguard in galatia would be very interesting indeed though. Was never a fan of the chariot (i am not disrespecting anybody on the eb team at all for the chariot). i just prefer inf or calvary!!!!

What about removing the Saba faction and getting back the events? Would this be a possibility?

Hmmm, not for this project I think.

Update: I am selling my pc, so I'll probably won't work on it this week, I'll continue when I get my new pc (around saturday, hopefully)

Will this mod be compatible with alex.exe?
and if so, are you considering to add some unique units to those factions?

edit: grammar >.>

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Will this mod be compatible with alex.exe?
and if so, are you considering to add some unique units to those factions?

edit: grammar >.>

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Yes, Hax please do add some unique units for those factions. Or else pergamon or bosphoran will end up playing like KH, or eastern greeks faction.

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Originally Posted by chenkai11

Yes, Hax please do add some unique units for those factions. Or else pergamon or bosphoran will end up playing like KH, or eastern greeks faction.

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Seconded

that would be a little difficult , mostly cause unless he knows how to model units with 3dmax , he would have to ask permission to other mods to use their units , which sometimes is a little difficult...

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that's why he's going to steal em'!! :pirate2: .:clown:

EDIT: or he could change the skins of existing units :P

I'm really horrible at skinning and modelling, and I do not own a copy of ALX.exe. I guess it would be compatible, but unless someone is willing to help me with skinning and modelling, I don't think I would manage, heh.

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Or else pergamon or bosphoran will end up playing like KH, or eastern greeks faction.

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Actually, both of those factions will (IMHO) not be like playing the KH or the Eastern Greek factions.

Pergamon has a mix of phalangites, classical hoplites and Galatians (and Thracians later on)

Bosphoros has a mix of classical hoplites, foot archers and horse archers.

Anyway, I will certainly keep this in mind.

got that new pc yet hax

I have.

Anyways, I do have a little update for you guys. I'm going to do Baktria for Pergamon, because there is a very strange problem with Epeiros that gives a CTD every time I click end turn. Perhaps it will be different with Baktria.

I hope I can show you another update soon.

Damn, that's a shame, Epeiros are a perfect fit.

Yes indeed.

Also, it means that I have very, VERY much to do in the sense of modding, making units available and all.

indeed it is a pain just to add just one unit to a factions roster of recruitment!!!!:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Hax

Yes indeed.

Also, it means that I have very, VERY much to do in the sense of modding, making units available and all.

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Do you have any ideas on what the cause of the CTD might be? Could there be a work-around of some description that isn't as involved as reworking Baktria?

I have no idea.

I have a CTD every time I click end turn, with and without the script activated.

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I have no idea.

I have a CTD every time I click end turn, with and without the script activated.

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Have you put type I governments in any of their settlements? I don't know how the hidden resources business works, but Epeiros don't have type I available in Asia Minor without messing with some stuff.

Hmmm...I did put a type I government in Pergamon, but that doesn't work when you deactivate the campaign script.

ALL "setting up the Govts" is done through scripts. Which means that in order to sucessfully swap faction X with a non-existant faction Y you'll need to edit the EBBS to adjust the code for faction X (reflecting what is appropiate for Y).

There we go, solution! Just to test that's the cause, try it with a type II (which they can have) and see if it still crashes.

Huh.

Thank you very much for saying this, Tellos. I'm going to try this instance.

Sorry for the double posting.

Thank you so much for this. The problem is solved now! Yay!

Hax were you able to pin down what was causing the load/save issue in the end? Ran into the same problem myself :(
Glad to hear your work is progressing well, any idea when you'll have a version complete enough to playtest?
Cheers mate

The load/save issues somehow have something to do with the fow spies in the campaign script.

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Glad to hear your work is progressing well, any idea when you'll have a version complete enough to playtest?

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Very soon. I just need people who are interested in helping.

Update: I'm having trouble with a CTD almost every three turns on the turn of the Eleutheroi. I've tried to track it, but so far, no success.

still running into CTDs or are you just busy!!!!!
I will offer my help in anyway possible Hax!!!:beam:

Well, I've had less CTD's now. Only battle CTD's, but those are semi-normal.

Totally support .

Also , a question : will this mod enable some of or all said changes ?

Satyros

What changes are you talking about?

What I think he's asking is if you can choose to switch just, say, Casse for Galatia and have all else as in vanilla EB, or if it's all or nothing.

In any case, you have my moral support. This is a good idea - I just wish there was some way I could help.

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What I think he's asking is if you can choose to switch just, say, Casse for Galatia and have all else as in vanilla EB, or if it's all or nothing.

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I will make .rar files for every single change. Then I will try to make .rar files for every other changes (so say Galatia+Pergamon or Numidia+Media Atropatene. Did I just tell you another one of my ideas? I could also do Pahlava for Gandhara, to follow up on what MAA did in his AAR. =D)

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In any case, you have my moral support. This is a good idea - I just wish there was some way I could help.

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People that I really need now are people willing to playtest.

I'm awfully sorry to say that , unless I get a new PC where I''ll be by September , I will not be able to playtest ( or even play any PC game for that matter ) , even though I would really like to.

Of course , if above mentioned condition is met I will be happy to playtest till I drop drooling on my keyboard , I'd be happy to help .

There is a slight chance ...

Satyros

P.S. : The celtic viking was right . Thanks for the answer .

Im down to playtest for CTDs. I have some knowledge when it comes to the type of modding that your doin. I'm just to lazy to do it all by myself. Count me in just pm me when you want me to start!!!:beam:
Also I gotta quick question? Are you gonna have the Galatikoi Lavotuxri as the galatian bodyguard unit for your generals or one of the obvious choices Cidainh, or Brihentin? If you are not willing to answer it here just pm me or ill find out when you do the preview or when I playtest for ctds!!!!!!:beam:

I'll send you a PM, Khazar.

For Galatia, I'll probably take Brihentin.

Any more? ;D

Roger that!!!
nope you have sated my curiosity!!!:2thumbsup:

Well, I'm owning up. If you need people to playtest, then I'm offering you my services. :)

I'd be happy to playtest for you Hax.

Great to hear!

PM's have been sent, yo.

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Great to hear!

PM's have been sent, yo.

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Playtest is ready? :o
Where's my PM baby?:laugh4:

be happy to playtest. hit me up

I keep getting a CTD on the initial loading screen. I did a clean install with the 1.1 fixes, no other mini-mods and ordinary EB works ok when I switch the data folder I copied before extracting the Pergamon.rar files. I am using RTW.exe.

just pm ya john I was having the same problem when I uninstalled and reinstalled EB

sorry for the double post!!! It seems to work with forced diplomacy and spoils of victory mini-mod but I am going to check the eb script for pergamon recieving such a bulk payment after the first turn. could just be my installation because I have changed a couple of other things but nothing to do with money. hmmm looks like it is added into the money script not sure why its coming up since I am a human player and not the ai

;Cap treasury
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType thrace
and not FactionIsLocal
and Treasury > 300000
console_command add_money thrace, -40000
console_command add_money thrace, -40000
end_monitor


;first 12 years
monitor_event SettlementTurnStart FactionType thrace
and not FactionIsLocal
and I_TurnNumber < 61
and Treasury < 100000
console_command add_money thrace, 1200
if I_NumberOfSettlements thrace < 25
console_command add_money thrace, 300
end_if
if I_NumberOfSettlements thrace < 16
console_command add_money thrace, 300
end_if
end_monitor

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I keep getting a CTD on the initial loading screen. I did a clean install with the 1.1 fixes, no other mini-mods and ordinary EB works ok when I switch the data folder I copied before extracting the Pergamon.rar files. I am using RTW.exe.

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I suspect the cause might be a conflict with the map.rwm file. Any time you use a new descr_strat.txt, you need to delete the old.

Starting a new campaign will generate a new one.

dohhh I should have remembered that!!!!!:wall:

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Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

I suspect the cause might be a conflict with the map.rwm file. Any time you use a new descr_strat.txt, you need to delete the old.

Starting a new campaign will generate a new one.

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I didn't think that was an issue with a clean install. We figured it out anyway, it needs spoils of victory to run.

Khazar_Dhavos, are you just getting a one time bulk payment? If so I think Hax may have intended that, wasn't Pergamons treasury famously huge? I don't know why it would be scripted like that, though, rather than just giving a large started treasury.
Anyway for some reason I seem to be getting 40000 at the start and end of every turn, after less than 2 years I have almost 500000. Can't see too many other issues, there is a level 10 spy near Alexandria I assume shouldn't be there(also noticed a level 10 Seleukid spy). The only other issue I have noticed is simply the faction leader's victory condition trait and buildings etc still having Epirote text, though I don't think anyone in their right mind would expect one guy to change all that. It's actually looking pretty cool, if I can get that money script sorted I can see myself having a long campaign with this and not just for testing reasons.

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Anyway for some reason I seem to be getting 40000 at the start and end of every turn, after less than 2 years I have almost 500000. Can't see too many other issues, there is a level 10 spy near Alexandria I assume shouldn't be there(also noticed a level 10 Seleukid spy). The only other issue I have noticed is simply the faction leader's victory condition trait and buildings etc still having Epirote text, though I don't think anyone in their right mind would expect one guy to change all that. It's actually looking pretty cool, if I can get that money script sorted I can see myself having a long campaign with this and not just for testing reasons.

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This is very weird, about the money thing. I did not experience that in my own EB campaign though. I might let Pergamon start out with a higher treasury than the other factions, though.

The building stuff isn't really a concern, I can change that quite easily.

The spy thing is a problem, but not game-breaking. Somehow, the kill_character command in the CAMPAIGN_SCRIPT.txt does evil stuff when trying to play a proper campaign (from C-ingTD when clicking end turn for the first time, to disabling loading and saving).

just finishing my new install with spoils of victory mod. Still I am a bit perplexed about the money issue!!!:dizzy2:
ive only played 2 turns earlier so it looks like it is a bug or glitch and not just my installation

Try to run it without the spoils of victory mod. That might just be the cause.

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Try to run it without the spoils of victory mod. That might just be the cause.

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Crashes on the initial splash screen without it.

That is very weird, since I don't use the spoils of victory mod myself.

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That is very weird, since I don't use the spoils of victory mod myself.

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That most certainly is very weird...

I have three EB data folders, one unmodded-works ok, one with your Pergamon mod and no spoils of victory-doesn't work(CTD on opening screen), one with your Pergamon mod and spoils of victory-works ok.