OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

This is the OOC Thread for Last of the Romans. This thread is designed to be a simple chatroom for LotR players. No important information will ever be posted in here. This thread does not count as a "public thread" for the purposes of the LotR rules, so any oath swearing, oath breaking, or wills which are posted in here will not be considered valid. No information posted in this thread will be considered as binding on the Megas Logothetes. In short, this thread has no official relationship to LotR in any capacity. It is simply a chatroom.

I know I said I wouldn't close these things all the time like econ21 did, but the old thread was getting absurdly large. Ah, I love the smell of a fresh, new thread. Let's celebrate by starting fresh, new discussions in it. Anyone feel like calculating whether we're exceeding the KOTR posting volume?

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WOOT !! WOOT !!

I got the last post before closure... :2thumbsup:

And predictably PK got the first post here... Who'd have guessed?
Good thinking TC, 58 pages is a bit much for one thread.

Look at the first page of the first LotR OOC thread. ;)

Hey there WM.

Good to see you here and in the game.

Hey there WM.

Good to see you here and in the game.

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*Crap*

I saw that PK... I wonder if you'll be first for the third thread.

Thanks AG, I just needed a day to get into this.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

I saw that PK... I wonder if you'll be first for the third thread.

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Time will tell... :2thumbsup:

Hey WH and welcome in to the 'want-to-be-Romans' community :beam:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Hey WH and welcome in to the 'want-to-be-Romans' community :beam:

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Want to be Romans? You mean were not actually Romans?! Then what are we, Greek?!

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There is one little matter however. Mak got a MotH offer. I will send an IC PM to the recipient. At the very least, it should provide for some entertainment... :laugh4:

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PK please tell.. please.. please !!!! :jumping:

Don't tell that it's the Caesar? :laugh4:

My bet is the Caesar :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

PK please tell.. please.. please !!!! :jumping:

Don't tell that it's the Caesar? :laugh4:

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Almost as bad. It's Kantakouzinos...

:laugh4:

I love LotR... :2thumbsup:

*edit*

The Caesar's 4 "child slots" are full now. Kosmas, 2 natural sons, and now Kantakouzinos.

*edit2*

Please do not react to this IC yet until Kag and I can have a PM exchange.

LOL..

This could be interesting to see when Makedonios calls Ioannis(Why is there so many Ioannises??? :dizzy2:) a dad!! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

LOL..

This could be interesting to see when Makedonios calls Ioannis(Why is there so many Ioannises??? :dizzy2:) a dad!! :laugh4:

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If, and that seems to be a pretty big if, it gets accepted, it will be along the lines of Kosmas and Methodios where one sponsors the other.

I would call it a bit bigger than BIG .

Keep in mind, you don't have to RP the connection if you don't want to. Implementing the exact family tree into the IC game is entirely optional. If creating a relationship is absurd under the circumstances, then just don't do it.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Keep in mind, you don't have to RP the connection if you don't want to. Implementing the exact family tree into the IC game is entirely optional. If creating a relationship is absurd under the circumstances, then just don't do it.

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For me, it would be worth it just for the stories... :2thumbsup:

Can I make a suggestion concerning the SOT? That is that we make it that you can only change your orders at the start of each Magnaura session, or when you personally lose or gain a settlement. Because I have to constantly check 30+ threads to see if anything has changed before I do my turn, and it can become a nightmare.

In the test game we established that the SOT can pretty much change whenever. All the Megas has to do is check for things that were updated recently.

But it is a nice courtesy to give the Megas an OOC PM if you change major things.

Well, I found you only had to check the SOT when you were about to do something that could be banned in an SOT, which only a few things like removing things from garrisons, and even then you only had to find the single relevant post. You also had to check around when it was time to decide what construction to do, but even that is usually only possible in a few settlement yearly. In general, there is absolutely no need to read through the SOT.

Just a note, Michails loyalty is 3, if he happens to revolt, dont redo saves etc, I'm happy to let him be there as a rebel lol.

I wonder .. is w&f very upset? :saint:

I wonder who decided to tie a know on his ship...

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Originally Posted by Knights_of_Palma

I wonder who decided to tie a know on his ship...

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Hmmm, let's see...besides Laskaris... We have myself, a guy nicknamed "the chivalrous", a gaggle of monks, and a guy who is crusading because his wife told him too. :laugh4:

It's okay, I kind of expected this to happen. Besides, it makes for good story material.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

a gaggle of monks,

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:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Hmmm, let's see...besides Laskaris... We have myself, a guy nicknamed "the chivalrous", a gaggle of monks, and a guy who is crusading because his wife told him too. :laugh4:

It's okay, I kind of expected this to happen. Besides, it makes for good story material.

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Well, I was scared that your going to sabotage me so I sabotaged you. :beam:
I wonder when Annios and Efstathios start to hate each other :laugh4:

LOL .. I saw this in rossah's sig.. sry but laugh is a good day to start the day.. and this made me laugh:laugh4:

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"Okay, here come the cavalry, get your swords out lads!" - the Captain details his orders to the pikemen

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The best description for the M2TW pikemen:laugh4:

Time to fight back, I'm bored of sitting in Iconium :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Time to fight back, I'm bored of sitting in Iconium :laugh4:

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Remember, you could take your avatar anywhere you wanted. You don't have to sit in Iconium forever.

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I have implemented the final part of the Crusade Event, marked as #10 in my original post. You didn't think I'd let everyone who stayed at home be bored, did you?

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Actually I did! :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Remember, you could take your avatar anywhere you wanted. You don't have to sit in Iconium forever.

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yeah I know, but where? I doubt I could get a ship back to my land, most are being used at the moment, but I have nowhere else to go...

EF .. you don't have to go anywhere .. you can redeem Hypatios or something while protecting the Empires land against that jihad ...

ugh, Hypatios Soter :sick:

woad&fangs .. when you going to post that story?

Which story?

Check your pm!

And the other shoe drops.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

It's the old bait and switch boys.

Guess there will be a party somewhere in the Empire as we gather for a little Jihad bashing. :beam:

Jihad bashing party, will there be cake?

the cake is a lie

Ouch. That sort of thing is never fun to go through.

I guess it won't take me as long to get the death story done as I expected. It should be done tomorrow, so you might as well gain IC knowledge now if you'd like. The details are still unknown, but there was a battle, Mark is dead, the army's gone, Turks sit in Caesarea with about half of what they originally had.

For those of you who remember the death of Fredericus von Hamburg, this one will be not at all like it. :beam:

Markianos is dead!! :dizzy2:
And I thought that we have 'jedi knights' protecting our generals!!! :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by flyd

For those of you who remember the death of Fredericus von Hamburg, this one will be not at all like it. :beam:

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So Mark did not slip and fall down a wet flight of stairs? :clown:

But on a more serious note, sorry to hear that FD. I was wondering when we'd get our first battle loss. With our Jedi generals, I was wondering if we'd see one for awhile.

But at least with this game, you can get back up on the horse. :beam:

FD, why did you sally...was it nearly time?

Sorry to hear the result though.

I want to know why you sallied too!
I can't look at the save but as I remember then a large Asteri army was near Caesarea. Right?
Damn.. I really liked Markianos :beam:

Our first loss, and on the eastern front, and right before the jihad launch. Rough! My sympathies FD.

Battle deaths with these jedi generals are so unpredictable because they're so tough you really can't tell what could possibly kill them. Set up a few SP battles with generals against even the most elite spearmen and they just don't die, but every once in awhile...

:egypt:

Sad to see Markianos go, flyd. Especially since we've got the Jihad against us...

Um, in other news... Ibn-Khaldun and I are trying to set up a LotR style game for EB 1.1 (the mod for RTW); check this thread for more info. Current status has 5 players in, the faction being the Arche Seleukeia (the Seleucids). Despite the fact that we would start with plenty of territory, if we mod it somewhat, we could have an actually pretty difficult campaign ahead of us.
So... anybody interested?

Love to WH, but too busy at the moment, I'm afraid. I'll check it out if uni things cool down somewhat. :2thumbsup:

I've just noticed that in both KotR and LotR that the game's second chancellor has been the first avatar to die. Take note for the sequel.

This poses a small problem with the rules which I forgot to anticipate. Technically, this breaks the oaths of loyalty for Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh) and Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra). However, this causes a bit of unnecessary havoc within the system. Since this is not really discussed in the rules, I will do the following:

1) Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh) will be assumed to have immediately sworn a new oath to Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra) to prevent any time of extra rank loss.
2) If Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh) does not want to re-swear to Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra), then he simply needs to say so and it will be treated as if the oath was never sworn so that Zigavinos can reswear to someone else without the potential 5 turn delay.

It is also worth noting that since 1116 AD had already started at the time that Markianos Ampelas died, Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra) successfully met the 5 turns at Patrikios rank requirement for Dux. He has now been demoted to Antypatos, but he can advance as far as Dux now without any time requirements. Note also that Thessalonica now belongs to Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra).

[QUOTE=TinCow;1981196]It is also worth noting that since 1116 AD had%2

Remember guys: IC, you know nothing. :yes:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

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What an interesting post! :clown:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

What an interesting post! :clown:

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WTF! :wall:

My point was, Kalameteros won't meet the 'time in rank' requirement until 1117. As TC explained to me about Mak, it's 5 turns from the turn you first got the current rank.

Mark, Mak, and Ioannis all met their ranks in 1110. Mak met his during 1110. Mark and Ioannis met theirs in the beginning of 1110. TC said that's basically the same thing.

So, 1111, 1113, 1114, 1116, and 1117 are the years. 1117 will be "turn 5" for both Mak and Ioannis since Mark is dead. But, Mark being dead knocks Ioannis out one turn early. So, it will just be Mak in 1117.

*edit*

Of course degeurra can fix this by just giving land to someone in his chain with no land...

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Remember guys: IC, you know nothing. :yes:

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Are you sure there GH. Can't I place a call back down to Cairo and get a heads up from the inside...? You know, ex-Officer is Caliph's army, etc etc :balloon2:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Remember guys: IC, you know nothing. :yes:

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Love the story. Definitely fits with what I know of the character. :2thumbsup:

One point of contention though. There are those of us who have been pushing IC for spreading the word. ~;p

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Are you sure there GH. Can't I place a call back down to Cairo and get a heads up from the inside...? You know, ex-Officer is Caliph's army, etc etc :balloon2:

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You want to hire a boat, beat the Crusaders to Cairo, and make your way into the Caliph's inner circle as a baptised Orthodox while there's a genocide going on, be my guest. :smartass:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

So Mark did not slip and fall down a wet flight of stairs? :clown:

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No stairs were harmed in the making of this death.

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

FD, why did you sally...was it nearly time?

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Not at all, the city was besieged only last turn, had 9 turns left. Why? That will be explained thoroughly and with 100% accuracy in the upcoming report. You just sit and wait. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

You want to hire a boat, beat the Crusaders to Cairo, and make your way into the Caliph's inner circle as a baptised Orthodox while there's a genocide going on, be my guest. :smartass:

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But dude, there seems to be some inconsistencies. The Patriarch was there, then he wasn't, WAS it a baptism, was it something else, who knows?

Maybe I'm some deep, deep, deep undercover agent working against the dastardly Orthodox satanic figure who lurks in the background...





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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

WTF! :wall:

My point was, Kalameteros won't meet the 'time in rank' requirement until 1117. As TC explained to me about Mak, it's 5 turns from the turn you first got the current rank.

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Incorrect, because Kalameteros' timer started in 1108, not 1110 like the other two. Of the three people on timers in Asteri, 2 met the requirements in 1117 (one now dead and the other no longer Asteri) and 1 met the requirements in 1116 (Kalameteros).

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Incorrect, because Kalameteros' timer started in 1108, not 1110 like the other two. Of the three people on timers in Asteri, 2 met the requirements in 1117 (one now dead and the other no longer Asteri) and 1 met the requirements in 1116 (Kalameteros).

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Please note that the "WTF" was because of the board eating my post, not anything you said.

I thought Kalameteros became a Patriokos because of Ampelas swearing to him in the beginning of 1110. If so, then the timer would run out in 1117. If it wasn't Ampelas that pushed Kalameteros to Patriokos in 1110, then what did it in 1108? As far as I could see, Asteri only had 4 land-owning nobles in the chain in 1108. Kalmeteros(Athens), Anastatios(Belgrade), Hypatios(Rhodes), What-ever-Rossah's-character's-name-is(Smyrna). In 1110, Ampelas moved into the chain bringing ThessawhateverthenameisofAmpelas'sprovince and Scopia. He then gave Scopia to Kosmas.

*confused*

Sorry if this all seems like a nitpick but if we're going to make these time-in-ranks means something, we need to be clear and consistent.

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Unless we're not counting 1110 as starting until the Senate session starts. That makes more sense. In that case, the big Asteri feudal chain change did happen in 1108. But that leaves me confused as to why the 3 Asteri people would have 2 different time-in-rank fulfillment dates. Since the same feudal chain switch bumped all 3 characters up the ladder at the same time. So, basically all 3 would have met their requirements in 1116. But Mark died and Hypatios was thrown out. So, that leaves Kalameteros.

Thank you for your patience during this giant brain dump. :D

*no longer as confused*

The battle of Caesarea "report" has been posted.

Just a reminder: yes I am still alive.

My internet is taking a heck of a lot longer then i had originally thought, but I am pretty sure I will be connected mid week.

Sorry about my tardiness:clown:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Sorry if this all seems like a nitpick but if we're going to make these time-in-ranks means something, we need to be clear and consistent.

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I cant remember exactly what it was that caused the 1108 rank jump, but it definitely happened. In 1110, Ampelas joined Asteri, which resulted in a bit of a reorganization. Whatever it was before then allowed Kalameteros to be a Patrikios, but didnt have anyone at Antypatos. The 2 people at Antypatos rank happened during the reorganization that resulted from Ampelas joining. At least that's how I remember it and that's what my Library entries said before I recently edited them, so that's what I'm sticking with.

:beam: I honestly have absolutely no idea. :2thumbsup:

I hope to be assigning Iconium and Thessalonici (which reverts to me, correct?) soon though, so that should hopefully make things easier.

edit: though currently, is it correct to say I have no vassals until rossah reswears loyalty to me? Or does that get transferred on death?

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Originally Posted by deguerra

:beam: I honestly have absolutely no idea. :2thumbsup:

I hope to be assigning Iconium and Thessalonici (which reverts to me, correct?) soon though, so that should hopefully make things easier.

edit: though currently, is it correct to say I have no vassals until rossah reswears loyalty to me? Or does that get transferred on death?

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Yes, Thessalonica is now yours. Ampelas did not have a will that I am aware of, so it goes to his Lord, which is you. I have I already marked this in the Library.

Your second question is addressed in this post.

Ahem. Damn OOC threads going to the next page without me noticing. By bad. Thanks TC :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I cant remember exactly what it was that caused the 1108 rank jump, but it definitely happened. In 1110, Ampelas joined Asteri, which resulted in a bit of a reorganization. Whatever it was before then allowed Kalameteros to be a Patrikios, but didnt have anyone at Antypatos. The 2 people at Antypatos rank happened during the reorganization that resulted from Ampelas joining. At least that's how I remember it and that's what my Library entries said before I recently edited them, so that's what I'm sticking with.

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Well regardless, I think you are right, though for a different reason than you state.

Ampelas joined Asteri in 1108 because the Senate session hadn't started yet. It was a weird space of time between when Ampelas posted his last report and when the session opened.

From now on, it might be good to make this clear. The year that a Senate session starts in, doesn't start until the session itself starts.

That is what was confusing me. I thought the dead space in between the last Megas report, and the new Senate session, was actually 1110.

Unless you want to claim that years begin when the last Megas report ends.

I think it would work fine either way as long as we were consistent.

Why this is important is because feudal chain changes seem to happen right before a Senate session. And the time-in-rank thing is important to keep track of since it has to do with an avatar's political power.

Great song for a battle report flyd.:smash:

Thanks Kag, it's nice to see that someone appreciates my fine work. :laugh4:

I liked it as well :2thumbsup:

Yes, me too flyd.

YLAC, I am not sure I agree with Veronica just walking out of the Senate. She was my guest, sure, but now one I am willing to just let go.

Nice song, FD !

Sorry about your loss though I can't say Methodios is chagrined...

Nice stuff FD.

Just a general comment to everyone.

It would be best if people didn't take the distances from the Magnaura too seriously. The issue came up before in KotR and it far more preferable to actually attend the Magnaura personally rather than send representatives.

Please note this is not aimed at anyone, but simply a general comment. Given the large time scales involved it is not inconceivable that people can get around and attend in person. It's probably a little bit of a stretch but not too much.

Unless of course you actually want to send someone as a replacement.

The feeling of interaction is greatly increased when our characters are actually "face to face" in the game.

I'm far more likely to deal with someone if they are there rather than talk through a proxy.

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It would be best if people didn't take the distances from the Magnaura too seriously. The issue came up before in KotR and it far more preferable to actually attend the Magnaura personally rather than send representatives.

Given the large time scales involved it is not inconceivable that people can get around and attend in person. It's probably a little bit of a stretch but not too much.

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Except when you're away in the middle of the ocean and almost ship-wrecked...:titanic:

I'm thinking of having Methodios renamed as Odysseus...:sharky:

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in the Megas thread
Refused the adoption.

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I almost wish you hadn't...

It would have given us another outburst by Makedonios...

You spoiled our fun, Kag... :no:

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Originally Posted by deguerra

Yes, me too flyd.

YLAC, I am not sure I agree with Veronica just walking out of the Senate. She was my guest, sure, but now one I am willing to just let go.

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I thought I sent you a pm regarding this matter, didn't you get it? :inquisitive: ?

I also liked the battle report as well, but I am not one for poetry much.