OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[TinCow]

This poses a small problem with the rules which I forgot to anticipate. Technically, this breaks the oaths of loyalty for Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh) and Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra). However, this causes a bit of unnecessary havoc within the system. Since this is not really discussed in the rules, I will do the following:

1) Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh) will be assumed to have immediately sworn a new oath to Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra) to prevent any time of extra rank loss.
2) If Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh) does not want to re-swear to Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra), then he simply needs to say so and it will be treated as if the oath was never sworn so that Zigavinos can reswear to someone else without the potential 5 turn delay.

It is also worth noting that since 1116 AD had already started at the time that Markianos Ampelas died, Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra) successfully met the 5 turns at Patrikios rank requirement for Dux. He has now been demoted to Antypatos, but he can advance as far as Dux now without any time requirements. Note also that Thessalonica now belongs to Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra).

[Privateerkev]

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[GeneralHankerchief]

Remember guys: IC, you know nothing.

[AussieGiant]

Remember guys: IC, you know nothing.

Are you sure there GH. Can't I place a call back down to Cairo and get a heads up from the inside...? You know, ex-Officer is Caliph's army, etc etc

[GeneralHankerchief]

Are you sure there GH. Can't I place a call back down to Cairo and get a heads up from the inside...? You know, ex-Officer is Caliph's army, etc etc

You want to hire a boat, beat the Crusaders to Cairo, and make your way into the Caliph's inner circle as a baptised Orthodox while there's a genocide going on, be my guest.

[flyd]

So Mark did not slip and fall down a wet flight of stairs?

No stairs were harmed in the making of this death.

FD, why did you sally...was it nearly time?

Not at all, the city was besieged only last turn, had 9 turns left. Why? That will be explained thoroughly and with 100% accuracy in the upcoming report. You just sit and wait.

[AussieGiant]

You want to hire a boat, beat the Crusaders to Cairo, and make your way into the Caliph's inner circle as a baptised Orthodox while there's a genocide going on, be my guest.

But dude, there seems to be some inconsistencies. The Patriarch was there, then he wasn't, WAS it a baptism, was it something else, who knows?

Maybe I'm some deep, deep, deep undercover agent working against the dastardly Orthodox satanic figure who lurks in the background...

[Privateerkev]

Remember guys: IC, you know nothing.

Love the story. Definitely fits with what I know of the character.

One point of contention though. There are those of us who have been pushing IC for spreading the word.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

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What an interesting post!

[Privateerkev]

What an interesting post!

WTF!

My point was, Kalameteros won't meet the 'time in rank' requirement until 1117. As TC explained to me about Mak, it's 5 turns from the turn you first got the current rank.

Mark, Mak, and Ioannis all met their ranks in 1110. Mak met his during 1110. Mark and Ioannis met theirs in the beginning of 1110. TC said that's basically the same thing.

So, 1111, 1113, 1114, 1116, and 1117 are the years. 1117 will be "turn 5" for both Mak and Ioannis since Mark is dead. But, Mark being dead knocks Ioannis out one turn early. So, it will just be Mak in 1117.

*edit*

Of course degeurra can fix this by just giving land to someone in his chain with no land...

[TinCow]

WTF!

My point was, Kalameteros won't meet the 'time in rank' requirement until 1117. As TC explained to me about Mak, it's 5 turns from the turn you first got the current rank.

Incorrect, because Kalameteros' timer started in 1108, not 1110 like the other two. Of the three people on timers in Asteri, 2 met the requirements in 1117 (one now dead and the other no longer Asteri) and 1 met the requirements in 1116 (Kalameteros).

[Privateerkev]

Incorrect, because Kalameteros' timer started in 1108, not 1110 like the other two. Of the three people on timers in Asteri, 2 met the requirements in 1117 (one now dead and the other no longer Asteri) and 1 met the requirements in 1116 (Kalameteros).

Please note that the "WTF" was because of the board eating my post, not anything you said.

I thought Kalameteros became a Patriokos because of Ampelas swearing to him in the beginning of 1110. If so, then the timer would run out in 1117. If it wasn't Ampelas that pushed Kalameteros to Patriokos in 1110, then what did it in 1108? As far as I could see, Asteri only had 4 land-owning nobles in the chain in 1108. Kalmeteros(Athens), Anastatios(Belgrade), Hypatios(Rhodes), What-ever-Rossah's-character's-name-is(Smyrna). In 1110, Ampelas moved into the chain bringing ThessawhateverthenameisofAmpelas'sprovince and Scopia. He then gave Scopia to Kosmas.

*confused*

Sorry if this all seems like a nitpick but if we're going to make these time-in-ranks means something, we need to be clear and consistent.

*edit*

Unless we're not counting 1110 as starting until the Senate session starts. That makes more sense. In that case, the big Asteri feudal chain change did happen in 1108. But that leaves me confused as to why the 3 Asteri people would have 2 different time-in-rank fulfillment dates. Since the same feudal chain switch bumped all 3 characters up the ladder at the same time. So, basically all 3 would have met their requirements in 1116. But Mark died and Hypatios was thrown out. So, that leaves Kalameteros.

Thank you for your patience during this giant brain dump. :D

*no longer as confused*

[flyd]

The battle of Caesarea "report" has been posted.

[TinCow]

Sorry if this all seems like a nitpick but if we're going to make these time-in-ranks means something, we need to be clear and consistent.

I cant remember exactly what it was that caused the 1108 rank jump, but it definitely happened. In 1110, Ampelas joined Asteri, which resulted in a bit of a reorganization. Whatever it was before then allowed Kalameteros to be a Patrikios, but didnt have anyone at Antypatos. The 2 people at Antypatos rank happened during the reorganization that resulted from Ampelas joining. At least that's how I remember it and that's what my Library entries said before I recently edited them, so that's what I'm sticking with.