Jeff Goldblum as Hannibal Barca

I've got it in my head that Jeff Goldblum would make a good Hannibal Barca in an historical epic. Does anyone agree with me? Take off the glasses and kit him up and I reckon he could be quite convincing. He has an intelligent sort of air about him which I think might come across well on screen in that he could be a military genius. From what I've read the Carthaginians were semitic and as this guy is ethnically Jewish I think he's probably got the right look...

Bit of an odd thread I know but I often wonder what the Phonecians looked like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Goldblum

http://www.voote.com/images/00024/Reg.2450.8.jpg

http://www.sciencepunk.com/v5/gallery/jeffgoldblum.jpg

http://www.the-movie-times.net/pictd...jgoldblum2.jpg

He doesn't seem "tough" enough for Hannibal Barca. Of course, modern Hollywood makeup specialists can do miracles...

Yeh in those photos he definately doesn't. On the EB game theres a coin with Hannibal on it. He's got a scar on his cheek and even on the coin he looks pretty hard. If they put Goldblum through one of those intense bootcamps... maybe.

Jeff Goldblum is one of my favorite actors, hes probably one of the best supporting actors there is. Usually when he has a staring role the movie bombs (except "The Fly"), but hes been a supporting actor in some great movies..

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I guess this is no more bizarre than contemplating Colin Farrell as Alexander (who ended up, in my opinion and rather shockingly, playing him brilliantly)

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Originally Posted by Tarkus

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I guess this is no more bizarre than contemplating Colin Farrell as Alexander (who ended up, in my opinion and rather shockingly, playing him brilliantly)

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The main reason why I thought of him playing Barca is because he actually looks like how I imagine your average Carthaginian to look like. I agree he hardly has a hard man look but Ben Kingsley can play both Ghandi and rock hard nutters very convincingly. If Goldblum's acting was excellent I reckon he could pull it off very well.

Goldblum always looked more like Seleukos VI to me.

http://abou.heliologue.com/uploads/S...sVI95-94BC.jpg

He have some kind of intelectual air, in the style of "Ross" (David Schwimmer) from friends. He is a great actor but I think is a little away from Hannibal.
There is an upcoming movie (Hannibal the Conqueor), starring... Vin Diesel. No my idea of Hannibal, but well...

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Originally Posted by Praetor Diego

There is an upcoming movie (Hannibal the Conqueor), starring... Vin Diesel. No my idea of Hannibal, but well...

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Wow...the bizarre gets even bizarre-er...!! Check this out:

Hannibal the movie...with an animated prequel for 2009

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I guess this is no more bizarre than contemplating Colin Farrell as Alexander (who ended up, in my opinion and rather shockingly, playing him brilliantly)

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Eh, I thought that Farrell's Alexander was just a pansy weirdo with mommy issues. During the battle scenes he always looked as if he was on the verge of wetting his pants. It's not all Colin's fault though, because I doubt that Stone gave him any meaningful direction.

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Originally Posted by Cullhwch

Eh, I thought that Farrell's Alexander was just a pansy weirdo with mommy issues. During the battle scenes he always looked as if he was on the verge of wetting his pants. It's not all Colin's fault though, because I doubt that Stone gave him any meaningful direction.

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Hmmm...this thread could go off into the ether rather quickly if we start offering alternative reviews of "Alexander"...fun, but potentially never-ending. Oh, what the Hell...

Indeed -- he definitely DID have mommy issues that turned him into a bit of a pansy weirdo...! And a few "daddy issues" too, don't ya think? Yes, Oliver Stone took some liberty with history, but there are historical accounts that can back him up on the basics. I certainly don't claim to be an expert on the life and times of Alexander (Guy Rogers' Alexander: The Ambiguity of Greatness sits unread on my military history bookshelf), but I think the rather serious mindf#@*ing perpetrated by his father and mother during his formative years was a MAJOR influence in his conduct later in life.

Hmm I've never thought about him as Hannibal, but he does resemble him a bit.

I did a sketch of Hannibal Barca back in 2005, based on his bust:

https://img442.imageshack.us/img442/...albarcaaq9.jpg

Jeff Goldblum with extra facial hair?

Hmm tbh I can never imagine Goldblum seriously since all I ever think of is an impersonation of him mumbling and stuttering a lot (think Jurassic Park) so I doubt he'd work well with the script.

"Er..ah, Gisgo...hmm, d..d'ya notice how there's not one man there called uh...eh...Gisgo?"

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Originally Posted by Recoil

Hmm tbh I can never imagine Goldblum seriously since all I ever think of is an impersonation of him mumbling and stuttering a lot (think Jurassic Park) so I doubt he'd work well with the script.
"Er..ah, Gisgo...hmm, d..d'ya notice how there's not one man there called uh...eh...Gisgo?"

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:laugh4: Perfect! :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Tarkus

Wow...the bizarre gets even bizarre-er...!! Check this out:

Hannibal the movie...with an animated prequel for 2009

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this man must hate me... he always manages to come up with bad ideas and ruin potentially good films :furious3:

he sounds very confident about his project. It sounds like he has really put his sould into it, and maybe he will make it very good. Better than other directors, becouse maybe, maybe he will picture it very good becouse he know exactly where he is going and how he wwants it to be. Or maybe he will do it very bad, and it will be a very bad movie. I have never liked vin diesel.

About Collin Farrel as Alexander, i never doubted he would do it bad. I am really impressed how he made it. Dont forget it is just i movie. and maybe the most historical accurate movie made. And it entertained me. I dont think alexander movie really made out to the big audience, becouse it was too much like a documentary.

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Originally Posted by Tarkus

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I guess this is no more bizarre than contemplating Colin Farrell as Alexander (who ended up, in my opinion and rather shockingly, playing him brilliantly)

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I thought that movie was total garbage! I don't think they could have picked a worse actor or a worse script. I don't think it did justice to Alexander at all.

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Originally Posted by ludwag

he sounds very confident about his project. It sounds like he has really put his sould into it, and maybe he will make it very good. Better than other directors, becouse maybe, maybe he will picture it very good becouse he know exactly where he is going and how he wwants it to be. Or maybe he will do it very bad, and it will be a very bad movie. I have never liked vin diesel.

About Collin Farrel as Alexander, i never doubted he would do it bad. I am really impressed how he made it. Dont forget it is just i movie. and maybe the most historical accurate movie made. And it entertained me. I dont think alexander movie really made out to the big audience, becouse it was too much like a documentary.

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actually, this movie reads not like a documentary; more like some long version of a dime novel, with an actual theme being the only diff.

a documentary would be something else...

but to be fair, the actors were decent (and collin was brilliant indeed), and the essential idea behind the movie good, but I believe Oliver Stone just keeps missing the point: you cannot impose modern notions on ancient concepts. the whole gay part was a particularly embarrasing example.

More importantly, who could play Julius Caesar in a modern day epic. Daniel Craig would not be bad at all.

First of all, Abou, Joaquin Phoenix is clearly the man to play Seleucus.
Second, Jeff Goldblum? No way. Clive Owen would be a safe choice. Jimmy Smits or Temuera Morrisson would be interesting, but the best man for the job by far would be ...


Arnold Vosloo.


Plus Adam Baldwin as some Roman dude.

@HopliteElite: Ciaran Hinds ring a bell?

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Originally Posted by Recoil

Hmm tbh I can never imagine Goldblum seriously since all I ever think of is an impersonation of him mumbling and stuttering a lot (think Jurassic Park) so I doubt he'd work well with the script.

"Er..ah, Gisgo...hmm, d..d'ya notice how there's not one man there called uh...eh...Gisgo?"

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

...but the best man for the job by far would be ...


Arnold Vosloo.


Plus Adam Baldwin as some Roman dude.

@HopliteElite: Ciaran Hinds ring a bell?

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http://content.answers.com/main/cont...noldVosloo.jpg

Ah yeh I reckon he could pull it off well. I just thought I'd like to add that I hate Alec Baldwin. For me he is the ultimate bad actor. I really do think he's pretty rubbish. He's just sort of got a B+ movie face and a slightly 'aren't I so amazing air about him.' Well that's what I get when I see him in films. I'd hate to see him cast as a Roman. Perfect way to ruin it for me. :beam:

And yeh I thought Ciaran Hinds made an excellent Caesar. I've seen both series' of Rome 3 times now. I love it so much.

I reckon Daniel Craig would have to Italianise his look a bit though.

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Originally Posted by ludwag

he sounds very confident about his project. It sounds like he has really put his sould into it, and maybe he will make it very good. Better than other directors, becouse maybe, maybe he will picture it very good becouse he know exactly where he is going and how he wwants it to be. Or maybe he will do it very bad, and it will be a very bad movie. I have never liked vin diesel.

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Yeah he sounds quite passionate about it. I'm not optimistic though. I've only seen one film with Vin Diesel in it that I thought was actually a good film (some are good for tits and ass) and that was Saving Private Ryan- and he hardly has a big role in that film.

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I reckon Daniel Craig would have to Italianise his look a bit though.

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Julius Caesar was a Roman though, not a typical Italian. He'd be fair skinned, and of modest size. Craig seems to fit the build. He also takes naturally to arrogant characters and Caesar was most definitely an arrogant guy.

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Originally Posted by HopliteElite

Julius Caesar was a Roman though, not a typical Italian. He'd be fair skinned, and of modest size. Craig seems to fit the build. He also takes naturally to arrogant characters and Caesar was most definitely an arrogant guy.

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Oh right, so were Romans different to other Italians in appearance?

And yeh by the way, acting skills wise, I'm confident that Craig would at least do a 'good' performance. Probably an excellent one.

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

...Temuera Morrisson would be interesting...

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That really would be interesting. But I´ve played and watched too many Star Wars games and movies to picture him as Hannibal without bursting out in laugh.

I thought I read somewhere that Vin Diesel was playing Hannibal in some movie.

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Originally Posted by Cullhwch

Eh, I thought that Farrell's Alexander was just a pansy weirdo with mommy issues.

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Ahh, I think we all might have "mommy issues", if she looked like Angelina Jolie... with a snake!

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Originally Posted by Red_Russian13

I thought I read somewhere that Vin Diesel was playing Hannibal in some movie.

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This is true.

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Originally Posted by Praetor Diego

He have some kind of intelectual air, in the style of "Ross" (David Schwimmer) from friends. He is a great actor but I think is a little away from Hannibal.
There is an upcoming movie (Hannibal the Conqueor), starring... Vin Diesel. No my idea of Hannibal, but well...

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asshole you just totally ruined my view of jeff goldblum.

I thought that north african guy (his name totally escapes me, hes in star trek deep space nine, and battle star galatica)

was a convincing hannibal. I never saw the movie, but from the pictures it was believable.

It's precisely Adam Baldwin's 'I'm so great' attitude that would make him a good roman. And actually, from the series "Rome", it's Kevin McKidd (Vorenus) that most resembles the statues of Caesar that we have, not Ciaran Hinds (though as an Irishman of course I'm chuffed to see him get work). So I'd like to see Kevin McKidd as Caesar in a big budget film. Only problem is, he can't of course be in the same film as Arnold Vosloo, as Hannibal was tear-assing around Italy about 100 years before Caesar was born.

Cilve Owen would be a good Hannibal, i think that Ciarán Hinds did a great job in "ROME" playing Caesar and btw. Ray Stevenson, who played Titus Pullo in "ROME" would the right guy for the role of Vercingetorix or another "Barbarian"

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Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk

I thought that north african guy (his name totally escapes me, hes in star trek deep space nine, and battle star galatica)

was a convincing hannibal. I never saw the movie, but from the pictures it was believable.

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Alexander Siddig

Hey its funny that Alexander Siddig has just come up because I came across this TV film about Hannibal starring him. Was intending on posting it. Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXnxdVcnqI0

Obviously low budget but I've been enjoying it a lot. I'm on video 5 now. I think the actors they've chosen look right to me.

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Originally Posted by Shigawire

Hmm I've never thought about him as Hannibal, but he does resemble him a bit.

I did a sketch of Hannibal Barca back in 2005, based on his bust:

https://img442.imageshack.us/img442/...albarcaaq9.jpg

Jeff Goldblum with extra facial hair?

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Does this guy with a helmet seem familiar? :P

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/4...ec1e9d.jpg?v=0

This


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CARTHAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you guys think of 300? I've seen it once and thought it was a good film for the awesome factor. I didn't mind its historical innaccurracy because I don't think that they were trying to pretend that that is exactly what it was like. For me it was a proper 'sit back and enjoy the ride' flick.

300 has been discussed ad nauseaum. Try doing a search for previous threads on it.

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Originally Posted by Space_Ed

Yeah he sounds quite passionate about it. I'm not optimistic though. I've only seen one film with Vin Diesel in it that I thought was actually a good film (some are good for tits and ass) and that was Saving Private Ryan- and he hardly has a big role in that film.

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He was a supporting character with only a few lines (compared to say Giovanni Ribisi, Ed Burns, or the guy who played Upham) who got shot shortly into the movie- IMO this is the best and only role, if any, that Vin Diesel should ever have in any decent movie. I figure his "Hannibal" abomination will likely be a rap musical.

Hahaha! Yeh.

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He was a supporting character with only a few lines (compared to say Giovanni Ribisi, Ed Burns, or the guy who played Upham) who got shot shortly into the movie- IMO this is the best and only role, if any, that Vin Diesel should ever have in any decent movie. I figure his "Hannibal" abomination will likely be a rap musical.

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Wow, pretty harsh...I admittedly haven't seen the entire movie, but from what I saw I thought Diesel was pretty good in Chronicles of Riddick... anybody else out there with me?!

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Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk

asshole you just totally ruined my view of jeff goldblum.

I thought that north african guy (his name totally escapes me, hes in star trek deep space nine, and battle star galatica)

was a convincing hannibal. I never saw the movie, but from the pictures it was believable.

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Put Jim Carey as Gisgo. That will make look Jeff Goldblum very solid as Hannibal :laugh4:
Somehow I imagine Bruce Willis as Hannibal, exept for his limited acting skill, of course.

Then maybe vern Troyer???? Actually Bruce Willis does look a lot like the depictions.

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Wow, pretty harsh...I admittedly haven't seen the entire movie, but from what I saw I thought Diesel was pretty good in Chronicles of Riddick... anybody else out there with me?!

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I am with you--same as with Pitch Black, for that matter. I hold out some hope.

Oh yeh Pitch Black is pretty good. But its not really a film I see it as more of a movie if you see what I mean? Vin Diesel's films are very 'sit back and enjoy the ride' like 300. I reckon if the new Hannibal film is good it'll be in the way 300 is good and not, say, Band Of Brothers.

My problem with having Bruce Willis as Hannibal is that he doesn't look at all like a Phonecian to me. Which was my main critera for thinking Goldblum might be able to blag the part.

This has descended into spam.

Oudysseos- I just re-read what you wrote. I thought you put ALEC Baldwin not Adam Baldwin. Yeh I never thought of him but he could probably be a Roman.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...premiere_1.jpg

He'd proabably make a good Scipio Africanus.

he was awesome in Firefly... why did they cancel that show... such a goood show...
jayne was such a badass character.

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What do you guys think of 300? I've seen it once and thought it was a good film for the awesome factor. I didn't mind its historical innaccurracy because I don't think that they were trying to pretend that that is exactly what it was like. For me it was a proper 'sit back and enjoy the ride' flick.

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It was rather shit. Not wasting another word here.

Am I the only one who remembers Oded Fehr? C'mon guys he practically screams Hannibal.:idea2:

http://www.starland.com/sf-sc/sf07/i...MummyWBird.jpg

http://www.throneworld.com/pix/people/oded_fehr.jpg

Defo

Yeah, Oded fits quite well actually from an fenotypical point of view, but he doesn`t have a badass face, like Shigawire`s portrait...

He looks like the metrosexual that hasn`t ever gotten into a fight on his entire life.

Farrell also looked like a tiny sad boy in Alexander. >_>

EDIT: I'd love to see Gerard Butler as Hannibal. He has the experience, and looks like the bust Shigawire made. Plus saying "THIS IS CARTHAGE!1" and kicking a Roman envoy into the Carthaginian port would make me go see the movie, a certainty. :D

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpap...d_butler_1.jpg

http://www.megacalendars.com/images/GERARD%20BUTLER.jpg

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Plus saying "THIS IS CARTHAGE!1" and kicking a Roman envoy into the Carthaginian port would make me go see the movie, a certainty.

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And it´d make me bomb the producers homes.

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And it´d make me bomb the producers homes.

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LOL :laugh4:

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http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpap...d_butler_1.jpg

http://www.megacalendars.com/images/GERARD%20BUTLER.jpg

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Oh god, please no more Scots.:wall:

Here's another youtube vid of Hannibal of the Battle of Cannae. I think he did a pretty decent job of it, very... human:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGHg...eature=related

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Originally Posted by Timoleon

He doesn't seem "tough" enough for Hannibal Barca

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agreed

OK so I've found the perfect Hannibal, even better than Arnold Vosloo: Ian McShane, recently seen as Swearengen on 'Deadwood'. He'd be the bomb.

hes too old bro.
Oded Fehr would be awesome

I can see Vin Diesel pull it off. Anxious to see what he comes up with.

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

First of all, Abou, Joaquin Phoenix is clearly the man to play Seleucus.

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Dude, you've got to be blind.

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

It's precisely Adam Baldwin's 'I'm so great' attitude that would make him a good roman. And actually, from the series "Rome", it's Kevin McKidd (Vorenus) that most resembles the statues of Caesar that we have, not Ciaran Hinds (though as an Irishman of course I'm chuffed to see him get work). So I'd like to see Kevin McKidd as Caesar in a big budget film. Only problem is, he can't of course be in the same film as Arnold Vosloo, as Hannibal was tear-assing around Italy about 100 years before Caesar was born.

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But McKidd looks too celtic to play Caesar. He only gets away with it in Rome because his roots are in northern Italy. Thats my opinion.

http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/cast/act...evinmckidd.jpg

http://www.davidpell.co.uk/films/trainspotting.jpg

Wow I didn't realise he played Tommy in Trainspotting. :0

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Originally Posted by abou

Dude, you've got to be blind.

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Not really. The Seleucus shown in the coin seemed to be a bit both like Joaquin Phoenix and Jeff Goldblum. At least that's what I saw. Both are very different, but both seem like the guy depicted in the coin

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

OK so I've found the perfect Hannibal, even better than Arnold Vosloo: Ian McShane, recently seen as Swearengen on 'Deadwood'. He'd be the bomb.

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http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Dead...-mcshane-5.jpg

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Dead...-mcshane-1.jpg

I'm not sure. He looks a little past it to play Hannibal.

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

Here's another youtube vid of Hannibal of the Battle of Cannae. I think he did a pretty decent job of it, very... human:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGHg...eature=related

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Yeh I enjoyed it. Found it doing a bit of research for this thread.

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Originally Posted by Timoleon

He doesn't seem "tough" enough for Hannibal Barca.

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I dunno... maybe with a bit of rough facial hair, a scar added, and if he buffed up a bit for the role. I could see it. He certainly has the intelligent air, and he is a good actor.

Im still holding out hope that Vin Diesel will do a good job. He could pass for a Phoenician, and you must admit he has one of the coolest voices you've ever heard. As for the acting - he may not be outstanding but he isnt bad. Also, the film is supposed to be scripted in Punic/latin etc - I find this can mask bad or mediocre acting very effectively. A line that might sound cheesy in English will look fine in subtitles.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Dead...-mcshane-5.jpg

Nonetheless he has talent and gravitas to spare. Maybe Old Hannibal, in Bithnyia?

I didn't think of Kevin McKidd as Celtic looking- and he does bear a striking remblance to Caesar's portrait busts.

http://www.desitin.dk/images/JuliusCaesar.jpg http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/cast/act...evinmckidd.jpg

Freaky, eh?


Oh, and Abou?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._the_Elder.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nnes_20002.jpg

Just kinda hold your thumb over Joaquin's hair and you'll see what I mean.

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Also, the film is supposed to be scripted in Punic/latin etc

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YAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! There is hope for a good film when there was none. If it is in the original languages then that is gonna go a long way toward making me happy :beam:

And yeh about Goldblum. He's never played that type of character before so it is hard to imagine him being a soldier but you never know if the acting and costume departments were good it might work. I suppose thats my problem with Vin Diesel. I see him in shit films so I assume it'll be shit. If it is in punic and latin though wow that really is good.

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

http://www.desitin.dk/images/JuliusCaesar.jpg http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/cast/act...evinmckidd.jpg

Freaky, eh?

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You might actually have a point. Dye his hair dark brown and give him some brown contact lenses. That would shut me up.

Who says Caesar was dark haired? I always thought he was fair-haired (not Norwegian blond mind you).

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Originally Posted by oudysseos

Who says Caesar was dark haired? I always thought he was fair-haired (not Norwegian blond mind you).

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Well it is based on my totally unfounded preconception of what he should look like.

Ditto. :beatnik2:

There was already a perfect Ceasar! Rex Harrison!

I pictured Caesar with very thin blackish brown hair. about 5'8 maybe. I pictured hannibal as a tall scruffy blackhaired man with stubble.

As far as I know (probably not very far) there's a reference in Plutarch to his 'soft, white skin' and in Cicero to his thin hair, but that's about it for physical description. Probably his statues were painted- does anyone know if there has been any bits of paint found on one of his early statues that might indicate hair or eye colour?


This is so OT.