Serial Killer in Training

Your thoughts on what we should do about such cases:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4874657.ece

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Boy, 7, goes on killing spree in zoo, feeding reptiles to crocodile
CCTV of a boy throwing something into a crocodile enclosure

An “expressionless” seven-year-old boy broke into a zoo, bludgeoned to death giant lizards and fed them – and other live animals - to a crocodile named Terry in Outback Australia this week.
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The blank-faced boy, who had evaded security cameras because of his slight size, then began his deadly rampage, smashing rocks on the heads of the reptiles and throwing them and other live animals into the crocodile enclosure, according to the zoo’s director Rex Neindorf.
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Police were called and questioned the boy, who comes from a family well known in the local area, but because of his age they are unable to do anything. According to Northern Territory law, children under 10 are not liable for criminal offences.

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Change the laws? Wait and hope that he doesn't move on to people?

CR

Maybe the punishment should fit the crime? :clown:

Here, in the Netherlands, children under 12 may not be punished, for anything.

What sometimes happens is that older boys force the 11 year old into stealing stuff. Only thing the police can do is wave their finger and say "don't!"

therapy and pills

Commission a $50billion study on how society failed this poor young lad, then refuse to act on any of the concluding suggestions. In other words, do it American style. :unitedstates:

"do you want to talk about it..?"

Maybe he felt like the Alligator wasnt being fed enough? Maybe deep down he loves animals and wants to keep them happy and healthy?

Sounds like a parenting problem. Go after the parents in civil court for the monetary damages. And considering their lack of parental supervision the authorities should threaten to remove the child from home if the parents won't seek professional help for him. The parents are endangering the welfare of their young son, they need to be held accountable for that.

Maybe it is not that big a deal, he was feeding another animal, and it is difficult to tell if he was doing it to be mean or if he just wanted to see a giant crock eat. I would pay to get to throw a lizard snack to a 440lb crock. It is difficult to tell from an article.

The bigger question is where the #$@! Were his parents! They should be responsible for paying back the price of the eaten animals.

Grows up to be a Serial killer… maybe.

Grows up to be an uncaring jerk… more likely.

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Originally Posted by yesdachi

Maybe it is not that big a deal, he was feeding another animal, and it is difficult to tell if he was doing it to be mean or if he just wanted to see a giant crock eat.

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You don't smash other creatures heads in like this.
Especially since he didn't kill all the animals, some he threw in alive.
This to me seem to indicate that he did this for fun which is a huge freaking warning light right there.
Most serial killers have/had a history of animal cruelty when they were young.
Dahmer used to pin squirrels on trees for example.
A part of me wish the crocodile would have gotten the child instead but the other part makes me angry at the parents.
Either way, this kid needs help.

Oh come on, a good old conservative family-values inspired child-beating will sort him! :smash:

do you know what you call a man with a shotgun in the middle of a corn field??


A CEREAL KILLER!!!! *rimshot*


I´ll be here all week folks! :laugh4:

Pretty messed up :O But as to charging him, not much you can do, just a messed up lil kid.

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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

Sounds like a parenting problem. Go after the parents in civil court for the monetary damages. And considering their lack of parental supervision the authorities should threaten to remove the child from home if the parents won't seek professional help for him. The parents are endangering the welfare of their young son, they need to be held accountable for that.

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This sounds like the ideal solution. If the kid fell into the croc pit, I'd bet good money that the parents would by trying to sue the zoo.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Commission a $50billion study on how society failed this poor young lad, then refuse to act on any of the concluding suggestions. In other words, do it American style. :unitedstates:

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What America do you live in? All we ever did was start suspending kids for play acting like their hand was a gun, or bringing nail clippers to school in their backpack. But I'm sure everyone will be shocked when the next Columbine happens. "I thought we were doing all kinds of stuff to prevent that now since the last time!" ;)

Meh, I was about that age when I learned that it may make sense to warn someone who gets on my nerves before beating the **** out of him and I would lie if I'd call myself a serial killer nowadays so maybe there's still hope for that boy. :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Your thoughts on what we should do about such cases:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4874657.ece



Change the laws? Wait and hope that he doesn't move on to people?

CR

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Alice Springs is Outback, right? Not known for its caring, nurturing atmosphere. Or social and environmental awareness. Or literacy...

After what it says about previous behaviour of the boy's brother and some of his peers, I would venture that they are a pretty dysfunctional bunch, the kind that sometimes thrives in isolated communities where parenting is regarded as a hassle and delinquent behaviour runs rampant. They should be sorted out by schools and social services. However, you shouldn't stigmatize a 7-year-old as a serial killer or call for the electric chair or chemical castration on behalf of a guoan guamnaa whatever lizard.

Re-open the School of The Americas!
Send him there to complete his training, or just put him under medical supervision, I mean he is clearly suffering from some sort of mental illness and he should be treated as such.He is not really a criminal, he's just ill.

sue the croc. he was the beneficiary in all this. probably planned the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Big_John

sue the croc. he was the beneficiary in all this. probably planned the whole thing.

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:laugh4: :2thumbsup:

hehehe.

Monitor the kid. Feeding reptiles with other reptiles doesn't cross any moral line for me. Contempt for other peoples property needs to be corrected.

Think about what people do to mice in order to feed boa's. Snap their necks or throw them in alive. If you've ever seen a mouse get eviscerated by a milipeed in a pet store, you might not condemn this kid as quickly.

I'm actually impressed with the speed and determination of the killings and how the kid was unharmed. We should give him an ROTC scolarship in the U.S.

He is 7 years old, he doesnt know better....

His parents however are not, send them to jail. Then cut his dads balls off, and do *whatever it is people do to women to make them not get more kids*

I know the word in swedish and german, not in english though:(

Seriosly... This is parenting gone wrong... If I was his dad, I would shoot myself cause of the FAILURE.

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Originally Posted by TB666

You don't smash other creatures heads in like this.
Especially since he didn't kill all the animals, some he threw in alive.

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when he kills them before feeding them to croc he´s wrong....when he feeds them alive to the croc he´s wrong....

this kid just can´t catch a break :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Ronin

this kid just can´t catch a break :laugh4:

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he can certainly dish them out, though.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

He is 7 years old, he doesnt know better....

His parents however are not, send them to jail. Then cut his dads balls off, and do *whatever it is people do to women to make them not get more kids*

I know the word in swedish and german, not in english though:(

Seriosly... This is parenting gone wrong... If I was his dad, I would shoot myself cause of the FAILURE.

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Your liberalism shines through:furious3:

I support the kid's right to kill animals and feed them to larger animals. I don't support his right to kill pets. Ownership is key in my indignation, unless there was torture. I haven't read of any.

perhaps...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=108359

..perhaps...

Maybe if we batter him with sticks he'll learn not to batter animals with rocks?

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

If you've ever seen a mouse get eviscerated by a milipeed in a pet store, you might not condemn this kid as quickly.

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I thought millipedes were mostly vegetarians, and the ones kept as pets generally are fed with cucumber or other vegetables? Perhaps it is centipedes that you're referring to, or are there species of millipedes that are carnivorous?

Was this Panzerjager? :laugh4:

Oh wait, he's too old. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

I thought millipedes were mostly vegetarians, and the ones kept as pets generally are fed with cucumber or other vegetables? Perhaps it is centipedes that you're referring to, or are there species of millipedes that are carnivorous?

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You are exactly right - I take it back

Watch a video of a centipede eating a mouse and you will lose a few hours of sleep. Those owners make this kid look fantastic.

This is a daily occurrence. The problem with his actions was the ownership issue.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

You are exactly right - I take it back

Watch a video of a centipede eating a mouse and you will lose a few hours of sleep. Those owners make this kid look fantastic.

This is a daily occurrence. The problem with his actions was the ownership issue.

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Just out of curiosity, Tuff.... if it could be proven that they were no one's legal pets, would you have no problem with the video of soldiers throwing dogs/puppies off a cliff that surfaced on youtube awhile back?

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Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Just out of curiosity, Tuff.... if it could be proven that they were no one's legal pets, would you have no problem with the video of soldiers throwing dogs/puppies off a cliff that surfaced on youtube awhile back?

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I don't like torture, waste or callousness when taking life. If someone was to feed dogs to an alligator It would upset me, but only because I keep dogs as pets. I'm sure that farmers get upset when they have to kill their chickens. I would hope that they would kill the animal first instead of feeding it alive, but it is not necessary. Do you get upset when someone feeds mice to snakes, or rabbits to wolves? What about when people feed cows or pigs to other people?

The thing about feeding crocodiles is that when they eat, they don't have to eat again for an excessively long time, unlike mammals. There really isn't "wasteful feeding". They store really as much as you feed them. The more you feed them the longer they can go until the next feeding.

I stand by my point that the theft was the crime the child should be punished for. They should also give him a crash course on being less callous when he takes an animals life if indeed that is what the camera shows.

Can I get an Amen, or is everyone here a vegetarian now?

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

I don't like torture, waste or callousness when taking life. If someone was to feed dogs to an alligator It would upset me, but only because I keep dogs as pets. I'm sure that farmers get upset when they have to kill their chickens. I would hope that they would kill the animal first instead of feeding it alive, but it is not necessary. Do you get upset when someone feeds mice to snakes, or rabbits to wolves? What about when people feed cows or pigs to other people?

The thing about feeding crocodiles is that when they eat, they don't have to eat again for an excessively long time, unlike mammals. There really isn't "wasteful feeding". They store really as much as you feed them. The more you feed them the longer they can go until the next feeding.

I stand by my point that the theft was the crime the child should be punished for. They should also give him a crash course on being less callous when he takes an animals life if indeed that is what the camera shows.

Can I get an Amen, or is everyone here a vegetarian now?

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Eating another animal to survive is not immoral. I asked the question because you said earlier in the thread that, to you, it all comes down to ownership. That would open up a rather wide range of very cruel behaviors as acceptable, such as someone buying pets to torture them or kill them in unusual ways. I was just curious what your stance was on cruelty for cruelty's sake to animals.

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Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Eating another animal to survive is not immoral. I asked the question because you said earlier in the thread that, to you, it all comes down to ownership. That would open up a rather wide range of very cruel behaviors as acceptable, such as someone buying pets to torture them or kill them in unusual ways. I was just curious what your stance was on cruelty for cruelty's sake to animals.

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Did all of my posts in which I've said that I was against the cruel killing of animals satisfy your curiosity?

I didn't see his actions as excessively cruel; at least any more cruel than the act of killing an animal to feed another could be. Wasteful or callous probably (although I'm sure the crocodile appreciated it).

I think that this case comes down to ownership. Had he tortured the animals before feeding them to the croc the case would have been about ownership AND cruelty to animals. A quick bludgeoning for an 8 year old is about as quick and to the point as it gets, I'll allow it.

1. Its Australia. The outback as well.
2. Its the Northern Territory, just leave it.

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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

Watch a video of a centipede eating a mouse and you will lose a few hours of sleep.

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Of course I went to Youtube and did that, won't lose any sleep over it but I think insects have something about them that makes me freak out a bit, perhaps their outer skeleton that makes them look so mechanic or something. :robot:

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Originally Posted by Husar

Of course I went to Youtube and did that, won't lose any sleep over it but I think insects have something about them that makes me freak out a bit, perhaps their outer skeleton that makes them look so mechanic or something. :robot:

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Read about the physics of it. It cracks through the brain or enters through the mouth, dissolves the organs and tissue into a slurry and then slurps them out with a straw. It then leaves the bloody an empty, bloody husk that has been severed in half. Holy Crap.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Of course I went to Youtube and did that, won't lose any sleep over it but I think insects have something about them that makes me freak out a bit, perhaps their outer skeleton that makes them look so mechanic or something. :robot:

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Well curiosity got the best of me and I must say that giant centipedes are truly creepy. I also clicked a link to watch a cow eat a chicken and a pelican eat a pigeon. I am thinking that if the kid had YouTube he wouldn’t have had to actually feed animals to the crock, he could have just watched other videos of animals eating animals to satisfy his curiosity.
Does YouTube = Serial Killer Prevention? ~D

Well TuffStuff, spiders have a very similar method to eat their prey so that doesn't surprise or shock me.
At that point the prey is usually dead anyway, the scary part is when that ugly beast with it's many legs, big claws etc. gets the prey and starts doing evil mechanic things to it until it's dead. :sweatdrop:

Well I reckon the kids parents should be charged and the kid given counselling if not taken into care, he should also be banned from keeping animals for life.

I don't think Tuffs arguments hold water either the kid was obviously killing the animals for the sake of killing them, I reckon the whole feeding issue was just an added bonus for him. The argument about feeding your pets life prey is a bit suss as well as most pet owners will feed dead prey if at all possible.

The kid broke in and done something that he quite blatantly knew was wrong therefore he should be punished, as he's too young the parents should bear the brunt of the official punishment and flow down the kids own punishment.