Thief 4!

There is strong speculation on the TTLG forums that it will soon be announced. Edios has used a font almost exactly like the Thief font when talking about the upcoming project, and before announced that a project was in the works side-by-side with DX3, and that its name began with a T. I know, that is grasping for straws, but for a die-hard fan, it is just enough to give hope (or scare the heck out of them "Oh please! Not another Thief 3!" :P).
Hopefully in a few weeks I can turn this into an announcement thread :P, but for now I am interested, who thinks this new project is Thief 4? I admit that it is not a lot to base a belief on, but I think they are just teasing us. :P I got my fingers crossed that it is Thief 4.

Hey I post there as well, the home of gaming elitism :beam:

Not too excited, in great ttlg fashion I was disgusted by the steaming pile of crap that was Thief 3, as I was disgusted by the steaming pile of crap that was Thief 2 but that one kinda grew on me, took me 2 years before I realised it wasn't that bad, Thief: The Dark Project, forever your loyal slave.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Hey I post there as well, the home of gaming elitism :beam:

Not too excited, in great ttlg fashion I was disgusted by the steaming pile of crap that was Thief 3, as I was disgusted by the steaming pile of crap that was Thief 2 but that one kinda grew on me, took me 2 years before I realised it wasn't that bad, Thief: The Dark Project, forever your loyal slave.

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Thief is the first 3rd game I ever played. :beam:
I agree with you that Thief 3 was total crap. The Metal Age though was excellent. I liked it even more than the Dark Project. I spent countless hours slaving away to Dromed trying to recreate its greatness...good old days. :P I still have a tiny drop of hope though that Thief 4 will be in the fashion of 1 and 2 and not total crap like 3. Looking at what they are doing to DX3 though, I admit that it is a fool's hope. :P

I really hope you're right and there will be a Thief 4!

Why does everybody hate Thief 3 so much? It was technically superior, had a dense story, beautiful voice acting and it was possible to ghost through almost all missions. So, enlighten me, what was wrong with Thief 3 in your opinion? :inquisitive:

Or should we open a new thread for this?

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Originally Posted by I of the Storm

I really hope you're right and there will be a Thief 4!

Why does everybody hate Thief 3 so much? It was technically superior, had a dense story, beautiful voice acting and it was possible to ghost through almost all missions. So, enlighten me, what was wrong with Thief 3 in your opinion? :inquisitive:

Or should we open a new thread for this?

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Sorry I of the Storm, but if we were to have a thread to talk about this, it would have to be in the Backroom and Tosa would need to get rid of all the profanity rules. I don't think I could discuss what makes me dislike/hate/despise/loathe Thief 3 without breaking every rule on the Org.

You could at least try! Really, I'm interested. T3 was a fine game IMO, I don't see what's wrong with it...?

*tease*incite*lure*

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Originally Posted by I of the Storm

Why does everybody hate Thief 3 so much? It was technically superior, had a dense story, beautiful voice acting and it was possible to ghost through almost all missions.

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NO

Boring level design, chopped up levels, terrible AI, complete lack of difficulty, no mystery no soul, terrible physics, I mean shooting a bow and blackjacking someone used to have a feel to it there is so much wrong with Thief 3 that it should never have been released, the few moments which didn't suck made that all the more painfully apparent. Thief 3 is a game based on Thief not a Thief game.

oh, AND GODDAMN CLIMBING CLOVES, why did they do away with the rope arrow? Why can't I shim? Why is there glue on my shoes? Was it for this the clay grew tall?

I've been seeing this speculation for more than a week. Show me the game exists and give me details, and then I might experience a flicker of excitement. Otherwise I'll pass.

I see people hoping that it will be set in modern times. So-called Thief fans wanting the next game to be set in modern day America. What kind of crazy talk is that?! You would lose everything which makes Thief Thief!

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Originally Posted by I of the Storm

Why does everybody hate Thief 3 so much?

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Tiny levels. Lots of loading. I curse the xbox and the decision to port the game to it. The console might have been comparatively powerful but it did not have enough RAM to cope with sprawling PC style levels. Personally, I also disliked the City. Having to sneak through the same small, limited streets between missions, needing to scurry around to work out where your next mission was supposed to be ... eh, no. It was an idea which couldn't work with the technology they used.

I don't hate it as much as the others here. I never played far enough to hate it; I drifted away after a few missions. Yes, that means I never played the infamous Cradle level.

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Originally Posted by I of the Storm

You could at least try! Really, I'm interested. T3 was a fine game IMO, I don't see what's wrong with it...?

*tease*incite*lure*

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Fine, you asked for it. ~;)

1. The Thief atmosphere was not there. It just didn't feel like Thief. The atmosphere is hard to capture, but it makes the game. The Dark Mod captures it pretty well, and it is made for the Doom 3 engine. Some fanmissions do, and others don't. It is not impossible to capture, but it IS vital to any game you want to call Thief.
2. The gameplay was basic, boring, and unrealistic. There were certainly improvements, but it lost all its charm and was just stupid.
3. The engine used was originally designed as a graphics engine, and later someone had the brilliant idea to make it into a game engine. They only learned out too late its limitations. It really shows in the game. There are so many Thiefy elements missing and non Thiefy elements there as a result of this and stupid design. No swimmable water, bad performance for a game of its graphics level, clunky-:daisy: gameplay, super dagger, annoying blue glow that kills the atmosphere on EVERYTHING, horrible AI, terrible animations, no depth to levels, etc.
4. The storyline had potential, but the way the game was made it was as boring as heck, the voice acting (with the exception of Garrett) was not aweful, but a quite a bit below the previous games.

In short, it was the worst game I have ever played. I would not say that if it had not been released as a Thief game, but it was. It was not only a horrible game, but a crime against the series, and an insult to the intelligence (whatever little we have :P) of the fans of the first two.
If you are not gonna capture the Thief feel, then don't market it as a :furious2: Thief game.

There, I told you and don't think I broke any rules. :P

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

I've been seeing this speculation for more than a week. Show me the game exists and give me details, and then I might experience a flicker of excitement. Otherwise I'll pass.

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It has been going on for a while now. :P I don't got my hopes up high, in fact, I am more afraid because I think that it may be Thief 4. I dread the idea of what they may do with the series, but for a reason I cannot explain, I am still hoping for it. :P It is kind of like having an ex you love who has only ever hurt you, and hoping they wanna come back, even though you know it will only mean trouble. :P

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I see people hoping that it will be set in modern times. So-called Thief fans wanting the next game to be set in modern day America. What kind of crazy talk is that?! You would lose everything which makes Thief Thief!

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I cannot tell you enough how disappointed I would be if Thief was set in the modern world for that very reason, because it would lose all its Thiefiness. That said though, I doubt that it could possibly disappoint me anymore than Thief 3 has done.

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Yes, that means I never played the infamous Cradle level.

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That's a shame, if you have pc-version download some save-games. The Cradle is the only thing that prevented me from enetering the Eidos headquarter wearing a bomb-suit.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

That's a shame, if you have pc-version download some save-games. The Cradle is the only thing that prevented me from enetering the Eidos headquarter wearing a bomb-suit.

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Be careful what you say on the internet nowadays, or people may take your seriously. :P I played that trash game years ago and have forgotten much about it. Please refresh my memory, which one was the 'cradle' level?

I thought the other major thing I found off-putting with Thief 3. The rubber people. An early form of the ragdoll technology, it left all unconcious and dead people flopping and spasming about like they were made of bouncy rubber. It made it impossible to take anything seriously.

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Originally Posted by peverblue

It has been going on for a while now. :P I don't got my hopes up high, in fact, I am more afraid because I think that it may be Thief 4. I dread the idea of what they may do with the series, but for a reason I cannot explain, I am still hoping for it. :P It is kind of like having an ex you love who has only ever hurt you, and hoping they wanna come back, even though you know it will only mean trouble. :P

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I meant the website speculation. Thief 4 speculation is as old as Thief 3 :tongueg:

I would love a new Thief game. A proper Thief game. Technology has advanced to the point where they could do such incredible things, and the current gen of consoles are beefy enough that the inevitable multiplatform release wouldn't hold the game back.

And I want frog beast eggs back.

The prospect of Ubisoft making a new Thief is equal parts hope and fear. The hope is that it will be a revival which will be as fitting as Prince of Persia: Sands of Time was. The fear is that it will be Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Ubisoft make a lot of games I like, and do try to push for something a bit more creative than the average game. They also tend to miss one of two things or make one dumb decision and end up with a good game instead of the masterpiece it could have been.

:creep:

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I cannot tell you enough how disappointed I would be if Thief was set in the modern world for that very reason, because it would lose all its Thiefiness. That said though, I doubt that it could possibly disappoint me anymore than Thief 3 has done.

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At least Thief 3 tried. Modern Thief would not even be doing that.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

That's a shame, if you have pc-version download some save-games. The Cradle is the only thing that prevented me from enetering the Eidos headquarter wearing a bomb-suit.

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I have the PC version. Somewhere. How far in is the Cradle anyway? If it's not that far I wouldn't mind playing up to it myself. Rusty skills; it's been years since I last entered the shadows.

The cradle level is famous. As an outstanding Thief mission and as one of the scariest experiences in a game. I have long felt it a shame I didn't play it.

Second last mission. It's as easy as can be no need to hone your skills.

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

I thought the other major thing I found off-putting with Thief 3. The rubber people. An early form of the ragdoll technology, it left all unconcious and dead people flopping and spasming about like they were made of bouncy rubber. It made it impossible to take anything seriously.


I meant the website speculation. Thief 4 speculation is as old as Thief 3 :tongueg:

I would love a new Thief game. A proper Thief game. Technology has advanced to the point where they could do such incredible things, and the current gen of consoles are beefy enough that the inevitable multiplatform release wouldn't hold the game back.

And I want frog beast eggs back.

The prospect of Ubisoft making a new Thief is equal parts hope and fear. The hope is that it will be a revival which will be as fitting as Prince of Persia: Sands of Time was. The fear is that it will be Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Ubisoft make a lot of games I like, and do try to push for something a bit more creative than the average game. They also tend to miss one of two things or make one dumb decision and end up with a good game instead of the masterpiece it could have been.

:creep:


At least Thief 3 tried. Modern Thief would not even be doing that.


I have the PC version. Somewhere. How far in is the Cradle anyway? If it's not that far I wouldn't mind playing up to it myself. Rusty skills; it's been years since I last entered the shadows.

The cradle level is famous. As an outstanding Thief mission and as one of the scariest experiences in a game. I have long felt it a shame I didn't play it.

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I could not agree more on the ragdoll physics part. It was an interesting technology, but it should not have been included (or they should have let you toggle it) until its flaws were worked out. It really was hard to get into the mood at all when someone's head was hanging onto their bottom and they were bouncing up and down with one arm stuck in the wall and stretching for 15 feet. (I posted a screenshot of that one up :P)

I seriously hope that they do not make multiplatform releases, unless they design it for a :furious2: mouse and keyboard (consoles can use them too you know)!

hmmm...you know what I have noticed frog? Most girl gamers I know love SoT and hate WW. Most guy gamers I know love WW more than SoT. :P I hated the stupid conversations and stuff in SoT, and found the gameplay only mediocre. I do not like any PoP game, but I dislike WW the least, because it has decent graphics, fun gameplay, and no cheesy as :daisy: conversations. :P The latter was my main objection to SoT. :P

The reason I said that about Thief 3 is because they put it in the Thief world, which comes along with a great amount of responsibilty, and they :furious2: it up so bad that it was an insult to the intelligence of fans and to the Thief world. If it was set in modern times, at least they could not destory the Thief world even more.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Second last mission. It's as easy as can be no need to hone your skills.

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That wasn't the one in the orphanage where you had to get rid of the girls memories or something was it? I remember I did like that one. (and yeah, it is pretty scary if that is the one)
The one where you switch through time and stuff, right?

That's the one :yes:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Second last mission. It's as easy as can be no need to hone your skills.

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Hmm. :applies willpower: When I finish NWN2 plus add-ons! Great game, but I swear I have been playing it forever.

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Originally Posted by peverblue

I seriously hope that they do not make multiplatform releases, unless they design it for a :furious2: mouse and keyboard (consoles can use them too you know)!

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It is inevitable. Very little stays exclusive to one platform these days. The more versions about, the more likely the game is to make a profit. I think a Thief game would turn out well enough as the series doesn't have any of the features which usually introduce problems for the PC version. No quick time events, no massive RPG inventory and menus, no platforming which assumes analogue control.

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mmm...you know what I have noticed frog? Most girl gamers I know love SoT and hate WW. Most guy gamers I know love WW more than SoT. :P

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I wonder why. On the one hand you have Farah, who is one of the better examples of a female character in a game. On the other you start the game fighting a tacky porn star, and it keeps heading downhill from there. The gameplay had some improvements; the packaging was so nasty I end up walking away every time I try to complete it.

At the same time, it's my experience that plenty of male gamers feel the same. Even gamefaqs, the home of the stereotypical immature internet boy, exploded into wrath over the altered tone. There was such heavy criticism that Ubisoft quickly did an about turn and dumped the whiny wannabe Goth Prince and all that went with him. Prince of Persia is a fairytale, it's 1,001 Arabian Nights. That's part of the attraction; it's what makes it unique and gives it flavour.

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I hated the stupid conversations and stuff in SoT, and found the gameplay only mediocre. I do not like any PoP game, but I dislike WW the least, because it has decent graphics, fun gameplay, and no cheesy as :daisy: conversations. :P The latter was my main objection to SoT. :P

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Gah! The original DOS PoP was the first game I ever played. I had loved the series ever since .... with the exception of WW and last year's offering. And yes, I like the conversations. They're funny.

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

It is inevitable. Very little stays exclusive to one platform these days. The more versions about, the more likely the game is to make a profit. I think a Thief game would turn out well enough as the series doesn't have any of the features which usually introduce problems for the PC version. No quick time events, no massive RPG inventory and menus, no platforming which assumes analogue control.


I wonder why. On the one hand you have Farah, who is one of the better examples of a female character in a game. On the other you start the game fighting a tacky porn star, and it keeps heading downhill from there. The gameplay had some improvements; the packaging was so nasty I end up walking away every time I try to complete it.

At the same time, it's my experience that plenty of male gamers feel the same. Even gamefaqs, the home of the stereotypical immature internet boy, exploded into wrath over the altered tone. There was such heavy criticism that Ubisoft quickly did an about turn and dumped the whiny wannabe Goth Prince and all that went with him. Prince of Persia is a fairytale, it's 1,001 Arabian Nights. That's part of the attraction; it's what makes it unique and gives it flavour.


Gah! The original DOS PoP was the first game I ever played. I had loved the series ever since .... with the exception of WW and last year's offering. And yes, I like the conversations. They're funny.

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I know, but I can at least hope that they will do it without :daisy: things up for once.
About PoP, as I said, I did not like any of the PoP. The only reason I say PoP WW is better than the other PoP is because of the lack of ultra cheesey dialogue and the improved gameplay. Thing is that when I play a PoP game, I don't pay attention to the character, I don't pay attention to the storyline, I don't pay attention to the opponents - I only pay attention to solving puzzles and slicing off heads. The PoP storylines and characters have all been crimes against humanity IMO, and I really do not care if WW's is better or worse, it just was not in your face. It was impossible to escape the silliness in the others, but in WW you could listen to good rock and slice things up until the screen turned red, without having to put up with all the silly dialogue and annoying storyline. :P I still disliked the game for a number of reasons: the prince was an emo, the storyline was another cheesy one that you had to ignore, too much gore (despite what I said earlier about a red screen :P), over sexualisation was so ridiculous that it detracted from gameplay, and of course as with all, it was PoP. PoP combat is sooo unrealistic and soo dumb, that it can be mildly addictive at best, but never taken seriously IMO.
Don't take offense because of what I said about the cheesy elements, my sister likes them too. :P She agrees with you that WW stunk and SoT was really good.
Too each thier own...

Hey now, I posted this first in the Gaming News thread... :inquisitive::furious3:

Oh well, who the hell cares who posted first? I'm just pleased to see the franchise is alive and well! :2thumbsup:

Let's hope Thief '4' is a return to the spirit of the original games and not the underwhelming third installment. Oh, and the PC version better not feel like a cheap console port.

Hopefully it'll be like the actual thieving levels. Thief 3 WAS mostly crap, but I LOVED the levels that involved sneaking around peoples houses jacking their stuff.

If it could be some kind of combination of the Elder Scrolls and the old Thief games...I'd love that :P

I liked theif 3 especially the city and the cradle level, one of the scariest levels in gaming. But maybe thats because I have never gotten the other 2 to work on XP or vista.

They work on Vista, for some odd reason you have to install Thief 2 first.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

They work on Vista, for some odd reason you have to install Thief 2 first.

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Not for everyone, but there is still a fix you can do to get it working. Been a long time since I did it, but if you ask at TTLG I am sure you will get some help.

Thief 4 is officially announced. More info should appear in a bit.

Thanks for sharing, madam! I think, I'll be monitoring this...

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Thief 4 is officially announced. More info should appear in a bit.

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I knew it! Now let's see how disappointing it will be. :P I cannot believe you beat me too it Froggy. :P My thread, shameful me!

I know I should be happy about all this (theif 3's cradle level was the first one to scare me out of playing for more than a month ever) but for some reason all I can think of is why the heck did they replace the letter E with 4? it just looks realy out of place.

They're calling it: THI4F

What does that even mean? 4 is the 1337 substitute for A, not E. They're making THIAF 4? Or is it THI(ef) 4(FOR) f(FEMALES)?

A bit more detail. There's some good quotes in there, enough to give me some cautious hope despite the logo. I expect thi4f will quietly get a new logo; too many people are mocking the current one.

Nothing about frog beasts though. We should start a campaign for their return.

:creep:

And the Vuk did hang his head and weep, and he did look up to the heavens, and LO! He did cry to the god of gaming 'Why hast thou done this to me oh god! Why hast thou forsaken the two greatest franchises on earth!? Did you not say unto me that these franchises would be fruitful and popular? Why then do you allow these vermin to ruin them?!' And the god of gaming did say 'Verily I say unto you, oh gamer of little faith, why do you look unto the lousy:daisy: companies -which are of money - for that which is of the heart? Do you not know about the Dark Mod, that even the great hero Komag has lent his aid unto? Take this, which my angels have prepared for thee, and be joyous. Look not unto those who care for not but money, for that which comes from the heart. And Vuk did head over to their website, and download the beta, and Lo!, he had hope once again!









































In other words, what they are doing with DX3 is ungodly horrific, so I expect no better from Thi4f. They got PoP people working on it too, and that worries me. :P I hope to be very pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Right now, it is the Dark Mod for me.

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In other words, what they are doing with DX3 is ungodly horrific, so I expect no better from Thi4f. They got PoP people working on it too, and that worries me. :P I hope to be very pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it. Right now, it is the Dark Mod for me.

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What? Are they torturing DX3 before it's born?!? What exactly are they doing? Who are these terrifying PoPs? And where is Warren Spector?

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Originally Posted by Guru

What? Are they torturing DX3 before it's born?!? What exactly are they doing? Who are these terrifying PoPs? And where is Warren Spector?

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Warren Spector is not involved (which I actually view as a positive thing), PoP stands for Prince of Persia, and DX3 is in development and screenshots have been released. Hold on two secs and I will find you a link.

Here you are. Not only is the visual concept ridiculous, but the gameplay concept sounds worse. I really would rather they had just left it alone.

The graphic style doesnt really bother me, I just hope they get the story and atmosphere right, in both games; DX3 and Thief 4 (which I refuse to call Thi4f). I'm still quite hopeful... We might get two awesome games... I hope.

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The graphic style doesnt really bother me, I just hope they get the story and atmosphere right, in both games; DX3 and Thief 4 (which I refuse to call Thi4f). I'm still quite hopeful... We might get two awesome games... I hope.

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Oh come one! Do you see how people are dressed? They got these huge, puffy, slit shoulders, with tiny little thin legs, and huge heals. The people in the renders have ridiculous porportions. And of course this all happens a few years before DX1. :P I guess a lot changes REALLY fast...including the entire layout of several DX1 cities that will take a trip back in time! Not to mention that the new augmentation system and health regeneration thing sounds totally unDX. If Thi4f looks anything like DX3, I am gonna slit my darned wrists! They cannot do this to my all time favorite games! It is worse than treason!

If I recall DX3 takes place 25 years before the events of Deus Ex. 25 years; People did wear different clothes 25 years ago, the world did look different. Still, I do understand your point of view. The legs of that one male model look like sticks. What comes to the cities and clothing and such, they might have wanted to avoid making the game too similar to the prequel.
Don't judge it (too harshly) before it's ready. :bow:

I wonder when we get to see pics of Thief 4.

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If I recall DX3 takes place 25 years before the events of Deus Ex. 25 years; People did wear different clothes 25 years ago, the world did look different. Still, I do understand your point of view. The legs of that one male model look like sticks. What comes to the cities and clothing and such, they might have wanted to avoid making the game too similar to the prequel.
Don't judge it (too harshly) before it's ready. :bow:

I wonder when we get to see pics of Thief 4.

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Come on though, the clothing is ridiculous. And the buildings and cities! In 25 years it goes from those ridiculous things BACK to normal buildings and the cities rearrange themselves? bollox
I sure as Taff will judge it harshly. The guns and grenades look promising as far as visuals, but everything else looks like trash to me. And still, it is the gameplay concepts that I object to more. I sure as Taff hope that there is as large a disconnect between DX3 and Thi4f as possible.

Clothing 25 years ago was ridiculous.

There's a Thief retrospective up at Eurogamer. Nice piece; suffers from the lack of a section about frog beasts though IMO.

I loved Lord Baffard's Manor. If you counted up the number of times I played through it the total would be higher than the number of times I played all the rest of the missions from 1, 2 and 3 put together. The human levels were always my favourites; there was something so much more fun about sneaking around a bunch of paid grunts, looting treasure and listening to their conversations.

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

There's a Thief retrospective up at Eurogamer. Nice piece; suffers from the lack of a section about frog beasts though IMO.

I loved Lord Baffard's Manor. If you counted up the number of times I played through it the total would be higher than the number of times I played all the rest of the missions from 1, 2 and 3 put together. The human levels were always my favourites; there was something so much more fun about sneaking around a bunch of paid grunts, looting treasure and listening to their conversations.

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lol, for that reason exactly shipping and recieving was all time favorite. I played that TONS of times. The bank in Thief II was my second fav. I liked Thief II a lot more than the Dark Age because there were a lot less undead and bug people. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first, but I just prefered the second one's take. (Oh yeah, and did I mention that I loved the robots?)

I hope they put the city from the 3rd game into the new game. Say what you want about the rest of it, there's nothing like wandering around the streets and alleyways and robbing from every house you come across and it was the main pleasure of Thief 3. Heck the only thing that topped it was the three huge cities from Assassins creed.

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I hope they put the city from the 3rd game into the new game. Say what you want about the rest of it, there's nothing like wandering around the streets and alleyways and robbing from every house you come across and it was the main pleasure of Thief 3. Heck the only thing that topped it was the three huge cities from Assassins creed.

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The Thief 3 city :daisy:ed. The concept had promise, but they pulled it off horribly. I would be interested if they did it correctly, but it would be hard to implement and still retain the 'Thiefy' feeling. We will see I guess...

Hmm... how to answer that without sounding like a preachy fanboy. :idea2:

Maybe its just me but I kinda liked skulking around in couple of sections of the medieval city with the freedom to rob, knock out and kill whomever I wanted. Sort of made me feel more like a thief, be it a slightly psychopathic one, than a male non-acrobatic version of tomb raider with shadows up the jacksie and a green glass eye.

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Hmm... how to answer that without sounding like a preachy fanboy. :idea2:

Maybe its just me but I kinda liked skulking around in couple of sections of the medieval city with the freedom to rob, knock out and kill whomever I wanted. Sort of made me feel more like a thief, be it a slightly psychopathic one, than a male non-acrobatic version of tomb raider with shadows up the jacksie and a green glass eye.

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HERETIC! :furious3::furious3::furious3:
Let me give you a piece of advice. Thief fans are illogical, rabid, and totally in love with everything that is Thief. Criticizing the first two Thiefs (unless it is done by a known fan who takes EXTREME caution) will likely get you impaled, sliced in two, caught on fire, and thrown into a river. Criticizing Garrett is even MORE heretical! Normally I would just hack the Org (Don't get your knickers in a bunch, I am not serious), trace your IP, travel to your house, sneak into your room, and spend a da torturing you, BUT, since I am feeling gracious and you may not be aware of the great blasphemy you have made, I will respond to you as if you were serious as soon as I am done with this incredibly stupid run-on sentence.
First of all, you COULD rob people on the streets in the first two Thiefs. Second of all, the Thief gameplay is what made the series! If you do not like it, then go to a doctor and get checked out you do not like Thief. :P The gameplay and the atmosphere were interrelated and together (as one :beam:) made the game.
Now pardon me as I go squeeze some baby chicks to death in my hands to let out some of the anger that is inside me now after that heresy. :furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::whip:

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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

HERETIC! :furious3::furious3::furious3:
Let me give you a piece of advice. Thief fans are illogical, rabid, and totally in love with everything that is Thief. Criticizing the first two Thiefs (unless it is done by a known fan who takes EXTREME caution) will likely get you impaled, sliced in two, caught on fire, and thrown into a river. Criticizing Garrett is even MORE heretical! Normally I would just hack the Org (Don't get your knickers in a bunch, I am not serious), trace your IP, travel to your house, sneak into your room, and spend a da torturing you, BUT, since I am feeling gracious and you may not be aware of the great blasphemy you have made, I will respond to you as if you were serious as soon as I am done with this incredibly stupid run-on sentence.
First of all, you COULD rob people on the streets in the first two Thiefs. Second of all, the Thief gameplay is what made the series! If you do not like it, then go to a doctor and get checked out you do not like Thief. :P The gameplay and the atmosphere were interrelated and together (as one :beam:) made the game.
Now pardon me as I go squeeze some baby chicks to death in my hands to let out some of the anger that is inside me now after that heresy. :furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::whip:

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When did I criticize the first two games? I haven't even played them! The whole male tomb raider thing was about that weird mine/sewer/ancient ruin level with the fish people in the third game. I just said I liked the option to roam around bits of a city in between missions cleaning out any taverns and homes I come across.
Besides, the robbing a museum and the island mansion levels weren't all that bad.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

When did I criticize the first two games? I haven't even played them! The whole male tomb raider thing was about that weird mine/sewer/ancient ruin level with the fish people in the third game. I just said I liked the option to roam around bits of a city in between missions cleaning out any taverns and homes I come across.
Besides, the robbing a museum and the island mansion levels weren't all that bad.

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Ok, good. You just saved a baby chicken's life. ~;)
Yeah, I agree, Thief 3 was tosh and bosh through and through. Like I say, the city idea was interesting in theory, I just don't think that they implemented it well. As for not having played the first two, you should remedy that as soon as possible. It will be the best thing that you have ever done for yourself.

Quick note, for those of you who have money to blow, the Thief 4 store has opened.

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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

Thief fans are illogical, rabid, and totally in love with everything that is Thief.

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TRUTH.

I would marry Thief if it was legal.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

TRUTH.

I would marry Thief if it was legal.

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In fact, I have been writing a Thief parody of late. :P My 15th since Thief came out. :P

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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

In fact, I have been writing a Thief parody of late. :P My 15th since Thief came out. :P

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I know got them right here heh

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

There's a Thief retrospective up at Eurogamer. Nice piece; suffers from the lack of a section about frog beasts though IMO.

I loved Lord Baffard's Manor. If you counted up the number of times I played through it the total would be higher than the number of times I played all the rest of the missions from 1, 2 and 3 put together. The human levels were always my favourites; there was something so much more fun about sneaking around a bunch of paid grunts, looting treasure and listening to their conversations.

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Yes, the first Thief was great but was marred by the frustrating zombie and burrick levels. The zombies were damned annoying and the burricks had to be hacked and shot to death. (e.g. hack, groan, hack groan, hack, groan, hack groan, hack grooooaaan) I also preferred the more normal "looting the manor" missions. I hated that stupid mission with the upside down rooms - that also ruined the game for me, as I've never played beyond it. What this stuff was doing in an otherwise brilliant game with such a great atmosphere and concept I'll never know.

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noobishness! The burricks can be slain just like everything else! I admit that the supernatural elements in Thief were a letdown at first, but how I missed them in Thief 2! The 'weird' missions turned out to be my favorites, especially 'The Sword', what starts out as your usual manor mission turns into a freakshow 'what the hell is this place??' Spooky!