Just wondered, mine would unfortunately be the Sauromatae, I just can't be arsed to take them past turn 3 :no:
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Just wondered, mine would unfortunately be the Sauromatae, I just can't be arsed to take them past turn 3 :no:
I've never been able to play the Sauromatae either, those huge spaces between settlements just make me think "Gah!".
Amen to that, I think it's the fact that I wanna fill some Romans full of lead/arrows, though I know that will never happen
I have actually never even tried the Sauromatae...or the Saka...or the Ptolemaioi (Egypt is an old hate-faction from vanilla of mine). Casse is also boring as hell...
Casse? I started a campaign as them. You really need to roleplay, otherwise, it's very tedious.
Sauromatae because of the space. Saba because of the lack of history and work on that faction, as well as their lacking and lousy roster. And their position. AS because of their already large empire, especially the depressingly boring Eastern territories, and also because of their pike phalanxes and the elite spam that you can execute using them. Although it is quite interesting to fight those desperate battles against nomads. Ptolemaioi are another faction that is too large to be interesting.
Sometimes I also feel that KH has too powerful of a unit roster to be worth playing and to be a challenge. Not to mention their spread-out recruitment pool; typical of Hellenic factions. But they are quite interesting to play otherwise, so no complaint. Casse have a bad starting position, but I still like the Goidilic units they have access to (once EDU is modded). I also felt the the Sweboz roster was lacking, but I suppose I would welcome the challenge myself. Not to mention, regionals and a quick EDU mod to give their pikes the phalanx formation would fix it. I still do not like the deep forests nevertheless...
Otherwise, everything else is fine. Oh, and yes, Yuezhi seemed sort of boring when they were around.
I don't have the attention span to play as the Sarmations. Also, who are the Yuehzi?
Ancestors of the Kushan Empire, in EB they pop up in the northeast corner of the map as scripted Eleutheroi stacks about 130 years into the game. They used to be a faction but got cut out after the team decided that it would be too ahistorical to have them within the confines of the EB map before they actually got there in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghaust the Moor
In a dark, dark past I once played Romaioi. The only time I quitted voluntarily after having effortlessly become filthy rich and unstoppable. Didn't even wait for Polybians.
Huh, Id have to say that ive never actually played more than a few turns as Saba, Ptoli's, Saroa's and lusos.
Although, in the back of my mind i plan on writing an aar for the Sarmatia some day.
I've played almost all the faction until I get filthy rich and bored.
Only exception would be The Romans and the Sauromatians.
I enjoy fighting Romans, as its a good challenge so I usually avoid them.
Sauromatians are good fun. But eventually I got bored of Steppe warfare. Pahlava, Hay and Saka gives you decent land force so I usually end up playing them.
Liar. Everyone is at least OK with the Romans unless they did something stupid to screw up the game (cheats, no fixes=CTDs, reloading, not activating script, etc). That is the satalexton in you speaking. :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
Wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
Saba, boring!?
Who said that!? :inquisitive:
well, it is boring..at least early on. but it certainly isn't the most boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
problem is the lack of funds. I'm playing it right now, and I had to disband my army 5 times now to keep it all afloat.
but it gets fun once you conquer 4 settlements.
say, how on earth does one train those elephants? I know you can get them in saba, from africa... I think its type III or IV, but I'm not sure :shame:
Yes I WAS OK with teh Romanz, but then happened what I said. And that was the best to happen, since I immadiately started my first Makedonian campaign, and that's basically what made me the fantastic dude I am today. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
I did :snobby:. Everyone knows that. Which is why Saba was and is on the top of that EB II thread which basically asks which EB faction least deserves its place IOHO (in our humble opinion).Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
But, I do remember you saying that Saba will be revamped in EBII, with many new units.
I would have to agree about Saba , I really prefer to wander in the steppe , if I am to choose between wastelands that is .
On the other hand I absolutely hate playing with the Empires at the start of the game : Carthage , Ptolemy , Seleukeia . Haven't managed to get to turn 3 with them .
After all , you get to kick their collective butt as KH , my absolutely favorite faction ( except for the fact that my Spartan Generals don't get to have Spartan bodyguards later in the game - oh the tragedy , boo-hoo )
Satyros
3 most boring choices:
1) Seleukids ...just the idea of managing 20+ cities every turn from turn 1 kills my motivation for playing them... I prefer starting small ,then building up ...
2)Casse ... though i really like them as afaction and they get a great starting position their economy is just too lousy during the first decades... weak economy+weak starting army=not much action...o and their charriot command is possibly the lousiest unit in EB (looks cool though)
3)the Romans... i got soooooo bored of them after playing the Julii and Brutii RTW campaigns...
The Romaioi, it was simply a point, a grunt, then a WAAAGH!!! They're better off digging in mines or serving as pack animals.
Quoted for half-truth. They make shitty pack animals compared to my steppe ponies. I've corrected the quote underlined text=line-through.Quote:
Originally Posted by satalexton
Romaioi.
Maion
I think the getai suck. I united all their thracian people so I could get that trait for the faction leader but I just could give enough of a damn to even care after that. Didn't even save the game coz I hate them too much. And I hate their colour. And their units. And their location.
EDIT: And their victory conditions.
to the poster above ...... :no:
getai have an awesome unit roster and can choose (from the start) to battle the steppe , the celts , hellenes or the dirty romans !
+ falx ftw
http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/neo/wp...ns_box_art.jpg
I can never bring myself to play most of the big empires, especially the Seleucids and Ptolemies, although I like their unit rosters...
I did have a fun Carthage game where I abandoned everything but Carthage (or Carthage and the two closest settlemetns to it, I'll have to check my old saves to find out...). I also have a fun Romani game where I've had little money and found myself being invaded by full stacks by sea constantly. Just taking it very slowly seems to have helped make it more challenging.
Playing as romaioi is boring as hell.
Playing against them, make them suffer... well that's another story.
Can you write one post without "blah blah hate romaioi blah blah"? It's boring after the 152nd post.
I try, man... but it just ain't work :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikhail Mengsk
well this time you did it XD
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Originally Posted by Mikhail Mengsk
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Nomad factions, they are too cavalry based for me.
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Originally Posted by Blxz
:stop: You make me sick. :sick: Such vile rhetoric defaming the greatest of EB factions will not be tolerated. :rtwno:
Point 1: You speak of the trait "Pavel-ter"? Uniting the Thracians isn't difficult at all. It's possible to completely avoid Makedonian territories if you move reasonably quickly, and unless some other faction has expanded west into Asia Mikra, taking Nikaia should be no problem. That being said, you can expect a considerable amount of conflict after you unite the Thracians, but by then, you should have access to all of your factional units (split into the northern Dacians and the southern Thracians, as I view it) and fighting to keep your empire alive should be a great deal more fun.
Point 2: It is possible to change a faction's color. You'll have to do the forum search yourself, but I recall a thread or two, or at least a post, detailing the necessary steps. Personally, I am entirely satisfied with the Getai's dirt-brown color. The perfect shade for barbarians and it brings words like "ambush" to mind.
Point 3: You dislike Drapanai with their armor-piercing, super-lethality falx and dirt-cheap cost? You don't like the Traikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi, the butchers of antiquity and the terror of all other factions? You aren't convinced by their Traikioi Prodromoi, arguably the most effective medium cavalry in EB? (Personally, though, I prefer the wizened looks of Tarabostes.) Not even their numerous elite units (Komatai Epilektoi, Ischyroi Orditon, Komatai Agrianai, the before-mentioned Rhomphaiaphoroi, and Ktistai)? They also have access to abundant types of horse archers, both factional and regional (Scythians, Sarmatians).
Point 4: The Getai boast one of the best locations in EB. At the beginning, they aren't bordered by any other faction, and so can develop at their own pace. On the second turn, the Getai can capture Sarmiszegethusa, which has mines, a unique building (actually a holy mountain that offers experience boosts to troops), and can be developed into an excellent recruiting center. Although initially landlocked, they can quickly capture any of four settlements bordering the Black Sea (Kallatis, Byzantion, Tylis, and Olbia). To their immediate south lie the Thracians, with their array of excellent units. Go farther south, and you happen upon the rich Hellenes, easy pickings for the Getai. To the west is a large buffer of Eleutheroi settlements, one of which offer the Cordinau Orca, one of the best heavy infantry in EB. The Getai also have the option of expanding north or northeast, though I have not done that yet (the settlements there offer little in terms of real value).
Point 5: Their victory conditions are reasonably easy to attain. The one potential difficulty you may encounter is in dealing with the Eleutheroi "super-stacks" to the north-west, but that gives you a good opportunity to field your best units and watch a slaughter [of the enemy] ensue. Otherwise, the victory conditions are straightforward and as one would expect them to be. In my second Getai campaign, I have completely side-stepped the northern "victory settlements"; why should I capture those if I plan to play beyond the point when "victory" is attained?
Er, forgot to post my choice for most boring faction. That would be the Saka Rauka. They're positioned in the very corner of the map, an obscure location to say the least. If I wanted to play a nomad/steppe faction, I would opt for the Sauromatae.
I agree with Frontline. Getai have a unique location, and most of all, a very unique unit roster. Overall, they are a great deal of fun to play with. Unlike those cloned Hellenic factions the nutjobs posting earlier in this thread worship, the Getai do not have 95% of their roster shared with other factions.
I personally love Eperios and Getai because they start out in the Balkans, the best place in EB IMHO. You can expand West and East, you are at the crossroads basically. Unlike Saka, Lusotanni, Auedui/Arverni/Casse, Pahlava, Baktria, etc. Those factions are either way in the Western corner of the EB map, or way in the East. If not for Baktria's location, choosing between it and Eperios was actually going to have to be difficult for me. But it was not. Unlike those cloned Hellenic factions the nutjobs posting earlier in this thread worship.
Casse is very tedious at times, fighting the eleutheroi up Britain...
I'd go for Romaioi: the campaign is refreshing for the first hundred turns, but it becomes a bore once you swim in money, something dramatically easy. Gah, the only thing I found to make it a little bit exciting is to launch an invasion of Hibernia with a fleet coming all the way from Mediterranean, and then do the same in order to take the island in the Baltic (Gwajam Gotanoz?). Oh, and kill Satres 19 times (I kept the count) and Rhesus 14 times.
You are forcing me to start a Getai campaign when I read this....:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frontline1944
~Fluvius
Me too...:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
Back to topic: I haven't tried all factions so far, but I think I can say with great certanity that the Sauros are ment above all for Nomad fans, for the others it can get boring quite quick. I don't know about the others...
By the way: @ Frontline 1944: I don't think the position of the Sakae is that bad - it has a great feel to conquer anything westwards without having to fear someone or something attack you in the rear. (pluss I love the nomadic cavalry and infantry potential the Saka have:2thumbsup:) And I gotta agrea - Traikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi are real butchers:skull: on the field of battle... I can wait to recruit them to my Saka hordes and use them to hack some Romani (insert evil:laugh4:)
I don't get it is there some inside joke going on around this forum about the Romani? Many posts all over the forum say how the author hates Romani and can't wait to destroy them or is disappointed because they do not get a chance to fight them in their current campaign.
Am I missing something here? Am I the only one who doesn't start campaigns with animosity towards certain factions?
Some people at this forum actually hate Romans, some do it as an inside joke. For some reason there is a lot of Romani bashing around here. When I was new to forums, it really annoyed me, but after some time I got used to it, also some of the "haters" actually were playing a Romani campaign in the meanwhile, as it was an inside joke between people, not actual hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fierro
~Fluvius
Edit: I can predict some of the posts following will include some of these things:
- Rome (or "Barbaropolis") must burn
- All hail Makedonia
- Some way to torture or kill romans
- A creepy person telling how he burns Rome and then a bulge starts forming in his pants.
- Something in the context above....
Historically it did - quite often...:juggle2: Atleast you always build it to look better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
Well almost all hellenes say that...:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
Don't we all say that about a factions soldiers earlier or later?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
Strange, I never read one like that before or am I missing something?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
It is all rather a kind of "all forum joke" by most.
Backt to topic: does anyone find the lusotanni boring? I mean even if you manage to unite all of Iberia you can hardly go outside of it succesfully...
It was a joke (yes kinda lame, I know), why so serious?:clown:
Who's serious here? When it gets to romans I'm almost never serious:clown::laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
All Hail EPIRUS!!! :smash::smash::smash::smash:
I've learned about the romaioktonoi's jokes just a few hours ago, before that i spent my time debating with those hellenos fanatics XD
No wonder. The hellenes form the fanatic core of the romaioktonoi - although there are many joking ones among them aswell.:clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikhail Mengsk
i say the averni. i don´t know why, probably because they have no devided territory and there gaesachtae-unit looks stupid...
What??Quote:
Originally Posted by Tartaros
Building this was a great experience!
https://i594.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1245793352
~Fluvius
i did nearly the same some time ago - but i don´t know why, for me aedui are the cooler celts. i enjoy there gameplay much more (divided war against averni, early war with the romanoi)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop: - Now thats what I call a celtic empire!:yes::2thumbsup::yes::2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
And in 254 BC?! One question if I may: what tactics did you use (especially against the romani..)?
Plus that lime Green is just sickeningQuote:
Originally Posted by Tartaros
Aedui's dark colour just says grrrrr me smash :smash:
Now that's what I cal blitzing, if you ask me. But hey, I've never bothered playing the Arbernoi too much as to get that far so I can't really tell if it's easy to get to such heights or not.
Maion
That is precisely why I don't like the Sakae. Being able to expand in just one general direction is bad enough, but to be placed in the most obscure corner of the map, where the land is either steppe or mountains, is something that doesn't attract me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunGeneral
By the way, Fluvius Camillus, if you can replicate your feat of conquering the world by 195/190 BC with the Getai, I will shower you with balloons. :2thumbsup:
Yes. It will gain a few strong factional units but especially a lot of regionals. I'd expect EBII to have more than 20 arab units.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Also actually I must agree saba is boring even though the campaign 'an sich'would be very promising, well content wise it is. But that's because a lot never got made or finished. Either way as I will work on EBII's saba I'll have automatically extra content than could possibly be made into a small patch for EBI. And I'm also be helping AtB with fleshing out the Sabaeans more.
I'll only be content if Saba and the rest of Arbia in it's whole get represented as good as any other faction and region, and showing people that saba diserves a slot. Also I think I'll be very succesfull in making saba and arabia interesting, and hopefully set certain people to love this sadly forgotten, disregarded and neglected part of history.
I started a Sab'yn campaign yesterday, and I'm having a blast. Their position is somewhat regrettable, and it's clear that there is still work to be done, but playing as Saba is far from boring, in my opinion.
Oh joy, the more to join the service of Arche Makedonia =D
Oh Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!
Re: Saba
Though I knew very little about them when I started, I tried to fill in as much as I could (outside of the units themselves, which I had no part in) to make them feel more interesting, like their ritual banquet building tree and the ritual hunts and festivals, their temples, their ethnicity traits, a few unique buildings for the region, their own unique looking spies and diplomats on the campaign map, etc. For a the last faction we added and one so different from the rest, I think we did a fairly good job with them. I'll also admit that I pretty freely took a lot from a few of the best academic works that I could find on them. I do wish we could have found someone or a group who would let us use some appropriate traditional music, but TPC's eastern songs help out for sure. Someone filling in like that is necessary when the big proponents of a new faction vanish. I did talk with some phd students who were working on the Sabaeans, but none would agree to help us (though Jean-Francois Breton himself did give a little in the way of advice and some leads).
I like all the factions. But I hate Rome, and I feel like the bad guys when I play em. I prefer killing Romans! :smash:
EDIT: also for all you casse haters! The campaign is incredibly hard. Only the best survive. Only the greatest can take the whole isle. You just have to pick your targets. And siege them till they sally or surrender. Use your initial dough and let yourself go into huge debt. Get rid of those damn boats too you don't need em at all. Get to Eire through Scotland. Once you unite the Isles you'll have insane amounts of coin. Get trade rights with as many people as possible. Spain is an inviting target! Lots of romans or possibly carthies to kill! It is worth it to spend most of your money on a fleet to get rid of pirates in the North Sea and Bay of Biscay. Its a very hard campaign.
I don't know why you ramble on the difficulty of the Casse while simultaneously exhorting Casse players to willingly go into debt... :dizzy2:
If one disbands the navy and most of the starting troops, the Casse won't go into debt and will actually make a small profit each season. Bide your time and you will slowly but surely expand with no threat from any other faction.
I managed to play about 10 years as Casse and build something of a full-stack before I decided that there wasn't much to be found attractive in Casse units, in my opinion.
pfffff, you cower behind your phalanxes and such. The casse are true warriors! And actually put up a fight against the romans!
The Casse isn't really a hard campaign, you are isolated and that tells everything. It's fun, if you want to build up a strong barbarian economy and army, before you hit the other factions.
I love all, I just get bored after I have dominated the world and there is no faction to challenge me.
If you battle with the same tactics you get bored as well.
For Hellenic factions you get bored using hammer and anvil all the time.
For nomadic factions you get bored using rinse and repeat or hit and run all the time.
so you must change your playing style. For example after I have dominated persia and mesopotamia with mostly Pahlava, I immediately change my battle tactics from classical rinse and repeat to a hybrid of hit and run and hammer and anvil.
Namely, I send HAS to soften the enemy. then enemy engages my pandadapoi phalangitai that pins them, then after the inferno of HAS the remaining enemy troops they are piece of cake for my cataphracts :laugh4:
so change your playing style, if you stick to historical realism or house rules, there is no fun mate :no:
like : If you bored with slow moving phalanxes just increase the time speed...
I find the elutheroi in my Casse campaigns aggressive. I've been sieged many many times on the first few turns.
But Casse is a great challenge but it depend on the player who like challenge or peaceful, slow expansion. She has many good infantries and even romani elites are no match for them.
On the other hand, As I am a cavalry maniac, I have never played with them.
Casse starts with neutral to Eleutheroi, so you don't need to worry that they don't let you to grow peacefully. The AI factions won't bother you, you can concentrate on the rebels - wipe them out, build a "safe haven" then invade Gallia. Casse is the easiest barbarian faction, as the Gauls are forced to fight eachother and Rome, while the Lusos end up dead against Carthage, while Swebóz is isolated too, after a little growin' they get into a trench warfare with Rome and the Sarmatians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atraphoenix
Believe it or not: Koinon Hellenon (but that also my favourite faction!!!)
End up doing the very same thing when the campaign starts... kicking Kydonia, reinforcing athenai, and massacring Korinthos... then moving up and doing a really big mess as quickly as possible against those Makedonians and Epeirotes.... and when u concentrate to the war, Pantikapaion, Emporion, Chersonesos, Sinope, and every "Greek Cities" sent their emissary say they are on your side now.... Waaarrrggghhhh......
But they are really funny everytime i play... just need some improvement, and "add_unit" for Makedonian ai
I don't understand how people have trouble with Casse. In my current campaign taking over the islands was a breeze and after that I had a ridiculous income. I waited until 200BC to attack the mainland that way I could build up my cities and actually face developed favtions (that didn't work out too well, AI factions still seem just as weak with some being larger than others)
The only reason I'm not swimming in mnai is because I have three stacks of elites and a navy of 10 ships. If it wasn't for that I would easily have several million mnai.
I wouldn't say the Casse are that hard either . They're for the first 3-4 turns , until you repel the Caledonians and take your first town , in my current campaign I managed to pull this off in the same battle , which was a close one but I really enjoyed winning it .
I found the Aedui a much greater challenge .
Still , these are 2 very interesting factions whereas the huge management of the Empires ( Carthage , Seleukeia , Ptolemy ) from turn 1 is too much of a burden for me to be convinced to keep playing after turn 3 .
Also the Romaioi are boring because they are too easy I believe . First turn on the positive ( at leat when I played them once , at an older version it was so ) ? Bah ! This is not a man's campaign ! It's a boy's campaign . Na na nana na .
On the other hand the KH suits me best I think . Some tough battles in the beggining ( true , the same ones every time ) till you get out of debt ( true , you can't plunge into a -30000 abyss ) but the challenge after that is to defend your colonies , especially if one happens to join your alliance . The declarations of war are a perfect opportunity to either gain some buck from ceasefires pretending to be forgiving to the enemy and roleplaying animosities with said colony , or be really offended and send ships and men to battle HA in the steppes , which should be a fun slaughter of your army .
Also , the unit Hellen Misthophoros Strategos absolutely rocks . Fast cavalry with a deadly charge , by the gods I'll have half of my cities with an allied gov . And a question popped up , but I will take it elsewhere since I am way off topic a while now in the post .
Satyros
Er, no. Look to my signature and you'll see that I play mostly as Getai and a bit as Romani. No phalanxes to be found with either. I hate them myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk
And it seems like most people agree that the Casse campaign is rather easy compared to those of other barbarian factions.
TA: nobody blames you. You did a terrific job at making the saby'n as they are, after VC and Qwerty stopped working on them. It's just that content wise and work wise, they are much behind the other factions. They barely have any unique traits and stuff. I'm really happy you were able to even get them in a more than playable state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou
Also you had feeback from Breton? I know you used one of his books, which I've real as well, but I never knew you actually contacted him and that he responded!? Could you pm me what he said or something, as I'd really be interested to know what he shared with you?
The Saba campaign is good, when you like to roleplay and build up a strong economy. The only sad thing about them, that you can't field good "native" army.
Search for Breton in the development forum, you'll see it pretty easily. Some team member translated the email to French and I sent it - he responded with some advice, it was pretty cool, but not tremendously helpful (though his book certainly was; it was probably the single biggest influence on the faction I'd say).
you can build a good native one actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó
the way to do it is to rely on archers and slingers, with a core of infantry and cavalry for support of the archers. re sea axemen, and medium cavalry are very good for that. give them a few chevrons, and things will go well. and as most of your enemies will field light units, at least till later, the archers should do heavy damage.
archer spearmen come to mind, but sabaeans can do well in melee (for archers).
Because the AI is...the AI, but against a heavily armored army, controlled by a player doesn't really work, sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
This much is true. Even a light armoured celtic army could overwhelm the Saba.
Poor little saba
yeah, but I'm assuming this is sp, not mp:clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó
but yeah, playing them in mp renders you screwed. hardly anyone uses them there:no:
I'm telling ye, they are underpowered, especially the nomads. also can't get over them nomads having metal speartips that are 6ft in length, instead of the correct cowhorn speartip at 8-9f in length :sad:
It's all in the head though... i imagine some people might be inspired by leading the underdog underpowered Saba to world domination... i am kind of inspired by the prospect of a desert-middle- east , low-tech army of hardened veterans pushing against the Ptolemies and the Seleukid giants... makes the Saba cause a very noble one right???
yep, it is and does.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARCHIPPOS
I just won a battle vs. a stack of ptolemaians- 1600 of them, vs 1300 of us. I managed to win a heroic victory, using cannae style tactics (double envelopement using a smaller army). it was tough though, my general died, and 40% of my men with him. they had 1 unit Klerouch agema, 4-6 of the klerouch normal, 2 celtic ones, and the rest assorted troops. I had some ethiopeians swordsmen, archers, and cavalry,some celtic mercenaries, and a few mercenary gee-I mean, greeks. thessalikoi were a real help :yes:
the irony? It was next to the Pyramids-I fought the battle of the Pyramids 2000 years in advance :clown:
EDIT: is it me, or is it always a semetic speaking person who pulls this feat off? Hannibal, Khalid ibn al-walid, now me? double envelopement with a smaller army seems rare.
oops sorry read your message wrong... i thought you meant Semetic people coming back with apayback or sth...
i suppose if your troops are lighter and less armoured enveloping the enemy becomes even more of a necessity...
there was a thread abt making EB more rewarding... weeeeeell i find fighting your battles with low tech armies as a turn-on... i mean sure i like cool-ass elite infantry units, heavy cavalry, elephants etc to feed the megalomaniac in me but during the begining and middle game you can hardly afford many (if any ) of that stuff... fighting with decent "mediocre" troops makes you become all the more resourceful and carefull ... and the victories taste sooooooo sweet :yes::yes::yes: