Merging Factions

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07-14-2009, 11:25
Skullheadhq

Merging Factions

With Kingdoms.exe it is possible to mod the merging of two Factions.

Like the Kalmar League in the Teutonic campaign. Will this be used in EBII?
07-14-2009, 11:31
Horatius Flaccus

Re: Merging Factions

Probably not, because that merged faction uses a faction slot. And I think the team wants to use all faction slots, except one for scripting purposes.
07-14-2009, 12:31
antisocialmunky

Re: Merging Factions

Would have been nice with the KH or a reunified AS.
07-14-2009, 13:57
Skullheadhq

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Would have been nice with the KH or a reunified AS.

So true, once EB II comes out Casse is going to die(and other BRitanic factions) and the Re-Unified Arche is going in. And maybe something nice for the KH :)

Britain is just so...useless as Makedonia and KH
07-14-2009, 14:20
Foot

Re: Merging Factions

The problem with this idea is more to do with the fact that it is practically useless. The only thing it changes is the banner; you cannot change the name or anything else to do with the faction. All other changes (such as building tree changes, unit changes) are done through event counters, which we are doing anyway.

Foot
07-15-2009, 06:29
Alsatia

Re: Merging Factions

So in effect, a merging faction is reform using up a faction slot.

That sucks!
07-22-2009, 17:34
m046720

Re: Merging Factions

Bummer, I actually like Casse a lot.
07-22-2009, 17:41
Mallios

Re: Merging Factions

Yup so do I, even if they are virtually braindead.
07-22-2009, 18:04
m046720

Re: Merging Factions

Why doesn't Casse actively raid the European coasts?
07-22-2009, 18:08
Skullheadhq

Re: Merging Factions

You should ask that to THESE guys

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This made me ROFL

Quote:

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07-24-2009, 03:35
miotas

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by m046720

Why doesn't Casse actively raid the European coasts?

You should play using BI.exe. Then the AI conducts naval invasions.
07-26-2009, 18:53
Cartaphilus

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by miotas

You should play using BI.exe. Then the AI conducts naval invasions.

But very few indeed.
07-26-2009, 18:59
Skullheadhq

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cartaphilus

But very few indeed.

Indeed, things will be better in EBII
07-28-2009, 07:26
Megas Methuselah

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Indeed, things will be better in EBII

Let us pray that it may be so. :yes:
07-28-2009, 07:31
A Very Super Market

Re: Merging Factions

Because they will obviously release a poorer version of EB1 and call it a day.

I have full faith in the team.
07-28-2009, 07:39
Megas Methuselah

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Because they will obviously release a poorer version of EB1 and call it a day.

I have full faith in the team.

Prayer always helps, innit?
07-28-2009, 07:45
A Very Super Market

Re: Merging Factions

If you're religious. If not, maybe a palm fungus.
07-28-2009, 07:53
Megas Methuselah

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

If you're religious. If not, maybe a palm fungus.

As Aemilius Paulus would do:

-palmface-
07-28-2009, 08:14
A Very Super Market

Re: Merging Factions

What, too soon?
07-28-2009, 08:22
a completely inoffensive name

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

As Aemilius Paulus would do:

-palmface-

It's facepalm. And EB2 will have lots of naval invasions because the AI can be improved upon in M2TW.
07-28-2009, 08:46
Macilrille

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

It's facepalm. And EB2 will have lots of naval invasions because the AI can be improved upon in M2TW.

The AI can be improved upon? Wuhuuuuuuu!!!!! No more Artificial insanity:juggle2::2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:
08-02-2009, 00:19
Apraxiteles

Re: Merging Factions

I just did a little research on this, and from what I can tell, there is absolutely NOTHING about merging factions that takes up a faction slot. Now, I'm not completely savvy with script syntax, but it appears to be nothing more than a simple script command to give over all assets of an existing faction to another.

The cosmetic faction banner/name switching appears to be a different script command, which does indeed take up a faction slot, but the two are not directly linked.

I'm not sure what good the turn over assets script would do, but for situations like the surrender of Ptolemaic Egypt to the Romans, or similar situations, it might still be handy.

On merging factions:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=91080

On banner/faction name swapping:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=90946
08-02-2009, 13:01
Horatius Flaccus

Re: Merging Factions

It would be great if that really is the case, the potential is great.

But how do you limit it? Sure, the Romans would surrender if Rome is captured (same goes for the Carthaginians and Carthage), but what about the AS, or the KH? And not giving them that function would be a huge advantage for those factions.
08-02-2009, 13:12
Foot

Re: Merging Factions

We are not using the merge factions thing to represent the collapse of an empire. We have something different for that.

Foot
08-02-2009, 13:34
option

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foot

We are not using the merge factions thing to represent the collapse of an empire. We have something different for that.

Foot

I am excited.
08-03-2009, 11:07
Skullheadhq

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foot

We are not using the merge factions thing to represent the collapse of an empire. We have something different for that.

Foot

Oh EBII is going to be greater and better then I thought.:yes:
08-03-2009, 16:31
Owen Glyndwr

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

You should ask that to THESE guys

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

This made me ROFL

I loled
08-09-2009, 12:14
jazstl

Re: Merging Factions

I think the team is really doing it's best this time, I was positively surprised with EB1 already...
:beam:
08-10-2009, 10:12
The General

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by m046720

Bummer, I actually like Casse a lot.

As do I. I find them to be quite a charming bunch of wee bummers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cartaphilus

But very few indeed.

Weeelll... In my last Romani game, Qarthadast started the war against me by landing an army near Capua, and later Makedon declared war on me by landing two (half-full) armies near Tarantum and blockading the port, and after a peace was negotiated (with FD after I annihilated their armies) they later returned and pulled another one, a landing near Tarantum and a blockade of the port(s).

All this within the initial 20 years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus

It would be great if that really is the case, the potential is great.

But how do you limit it? Sure, the Romans would surrender if Rome is captured (same goes for the Carthaginians and Carthage), but what about the AS, or the KH? And not giving them that function would be a huge advantage for those factions.

Also a problem would be the ability by player to go for sneak decapitations, for example just loading up every fighting man in a ship and heading straight for the enemy's capital (before declaring war, of course). So much for challenge in that case.
08-10-2009, 14:59
Horatius Flaccus

Re: Merging Factions

Well, that's up to the player. If they want to ruin their game, be my guest.
08-12-2009, 09:15
The General

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus

Well, that's up to the player. If they want to ruin their game, be my guest.

True, but at times, this could mean the player would have go to some lengths to avoid taking a particular city if he intended for a more realistic conflict.

For example, as Getai, in conflict against Makedon, who owns all of Greece, you'd have to pass Pellas and conquer everything else... Or with one succesful siege defeat a faction. And not making the situation same for everyone would put certain factions at huge disadvantage.

Meh, I've just never been fan of 'sudden death' scenarios.
08-12-2009, 12:35
Horatius Flaccus

Re: Merging Factions

You could limit it to multiple regions (i.e. Macedon and Thessaly). Anyway, Foot already said that they will simulate it otherwise, so I'm curious how that will play out.
08-12-2009, 23:34
The General

Re: Merging Factions

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horatius Flaccus

You could limit it to multiple regions (i.e. Macedon and Thessaly). Anyway, Foot already said that they will simulate it otherwise, so I'm curious how that will play out.

To the former point, that makes more sense already. Handing over ownership of the rest of the dominion would be quite unbelievable. though, more likely the central government would just collapse and new mini/city states/confederacies/kingdoms would form. To represent that plausibly with a(ny) Total War engine would probably be nigh-impossible, though. (Elite rebel stacks? *Sigh*)

To the latter point, I've quite a bit of confidence on the EB team overall, and if they intend to do something of this sort, they're more than likely going to implement something believable and gameplay-wise sensible... mehopes, anyway.