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The pork-cough is over us, our governments(most of us anyway) are buying millions of flu shots for us. We'll probably see mass vaccination soon, with pharmaceutical companies all over the world rubbing their hands in anticipation of the easiest wad of cash they'll ever make...
So, the question is simple; will you get vaccinated against the pig-cold, or not?
note: poll might be slightly biased...
Well, I'm actually seeing a slightly bigger problem with your poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
edit: No, probably won't get it. Young and healthy after the sick and old/really young.
Tamiflu isn't a vaccine.... so I'll leave the rest, including evaluations of people's intelligence alone. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
This samba-cough is such a dissapointment
Doctor + Asthma. I am at the head of the list. But give up 2 weeks off work?
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My brother got given it on monday, after finding out he had swine flu.
He left for the UK on friday. Got in fine.
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que? Side-effects?Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Yep, asthmatic here, too. They can give me double doses of any experimental crap they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
I'm well aquainted with asphyxiation and I'm happy to take a needle/spray/pill/elephant suppository in order to avoid it.
i dont see why it would hurt. missing a number of days off from school because of the swine flu is pretty bad,dont see how this vaccine is worse.
I'll happily get the vaccin once that has been developed. Not doing so seems pretty daft - unless there are downsides to vaccination that I'm not aware of, and I don't mean the conspiracy theories regarding vaccination in general.
Not tamiflu though - I'm not asthmatic, it only takes away one day of illness on average and it has side effects that barely weigh up against the alleviation of the symptons. So I won't bother.
I understand that you can get tamiflu for free over here once you've been diagnosed with the mexican flu, so I can understand why people would take it (especially since it minimizes the chance that you'll contaminate others)
But there are a few people here who have stashed their own private supplies beforehand, buying it for hundreds of bucks on the internet. Wich is a "little" silly.
If I'm ill I can't go to work [sob, sob]. Why rush the first illness I'm going to get for ages that lets me patch up my relationshi with my X-Box / PC... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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My wife was 'diagnosed' as having swine flu by those lovely people who normally sell you mobile 'phones. She asked me to go get it for her, I refused. Apart from the fact that someone with a heart condition didn't want to be around others with the disease, everything I've read about it makes me sceptical of it's efficaciousness.
I also wonder at the side effects that are brushed under the carpet by the government. The usual crap about being seen to do summat. A mass trail of the drug inflicted on a unsuspecting populace.
Oh and Rumsfelt is the guy behind the company dealing the stuff. Tells me all I need to know.
IMHO of course.
PS. Wifey is fine and dandy and washing my socks (by hand of course) as we speak. You gotta let 'em know who's the gaffer.
Please dont tell her I said that! :sweatdrop:
If the flu mutates into something more dangerous I would consider it, but for now I won't get Tammiflu.
My 18 year old nephew fell ill Friday afternoon (announced it on his FaceBook page). Saturday, my brother took him to the Doc, who diagnosed swine flu. Sent him to the big hospital here, who did a big work-up on him, gave him a shot, and sent him home - 10 days quarantine, with daily telephone interviews by a nurse.
All that seems pretty heavy coverage, but I guess they're trying to track the spread, and the actual structure of the bug.
Oh... Mike Jr. reports feeling fine, and bored. Plans to kill prefectly-good Germans with his copy of CallOfDuty.
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Will I take the immunization later this year? Probably not. I fall out of the main demograph, I'm not a medic, don't have a compromised immune system, etc., so: no need.
Herd immunity only works if there is a majority taking part. If we all become "enligtened" we will all be worse off, which is ironic.
I have several immunological diseases and I plan to be in a 4 month close proximity training program during the height of flu season. I think i'll get it this year just because I havn't gotten it in a few years.
I had the flu 2 years ago, lost 20 lbs and stopped breathing. I then went to ICU and they found that the flu destroyed what I had left of a weakened adrenal cortex (That I had no idea about). If you are positive that nothing is wrong with you, then downplay immunization.
It would be wise to simply not talk about it rather than solicit dissent if you want to seem enlightened. By getting the shot, other people are immunizing you for no cost.
Long story short - each year people seem to be against the trend, your chances of contracting the Flu go up. Isn't that hilarious? Always stress the importance of getting the shot to others.
I'm not sure if the OP is talking about the vaccine or Tamiflu, but to both the answer is no.
I get all the flu things going round every year without fail. They don't kill me and I'm sure this one won't either. I've got asthma, but I seem to have outgrown it mostly in recent years and so though having these viral things make breathing a bit uncomfortable, I don't have to worry about dropping dead.
And who knows, maybe I'll get lucky and not get it in the first place. :shrug:
Vaccine yes, Tamiflu no.
Why anyone would avoid a 'flu jab I can't possibly imagine.
I'm busy stocking up on the camel flu vaccine...
-Edit: As to why "anyone would avoid it", there are the serious side effects to consider.
Well I wouldn't go to the trouble of avoiding it if a doctor was sitting next to me right now, I'm just not going to bother going to wherever you need to go in order to get it. :shrug:
Of the vaccine? I doubt it, Tamiflu maybe, but then I already said I wouldn't bother with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caravel
So you wouldn't take part in the immunisation program that's going to be starting shortly. Once again, I ask, why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
The vaccine is actually untested and is similar to the one used in the US back in 1976 and the rare side affect is Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Despite being "rare" it managed to kill off more than the swine flu itself.
This pandemic is nothing more than big pharmaceuticals corporations making big money out of the fear and histeria generated. Four members of my extended family abroad have had this and none have been hospitalised and none have died. Those that get very sick or die usually have other health complications - the same goes with regular flu. You've more chance of being hit by a bus tomorrow so cheer up.
Voted Gah! for old times sake, but I won't be getting Tamiflu or any flu jabs. I never do, and I never have any problems. Ever since I was young, I try to avoid taking medication if at all possible, and I think my immune system is better for it. Just say no to the medical-industrial complex!
^And that is why I've never goten a flu vaccine. Althoug this year my sister did, but she has a baby. Sick babies are not cool.
I never take flu shots (nobody over here does unless you are a senior or seriously ill to begin with)...haven´t caught a flu in something like 10 years.
I´m not going to start now over something that seems more like media hype than anything else, yes the disease is out there, so far it has shown itself to not be a serious problem for healthy people...I´m not sweating it.
Ok, but you have a problem here: How many more people would have died if not for the vaccine in 1976? It's difficult to know, isn't it? One would have to go back to 1918.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caravel
The fact is, 'flu probably won't kill you as long as you can be treated. However, mass-infection might strain hospitals beyond capacity. At that point the potenial for fatalities rises sharply.
I never get sick. Never. Unfortunately that means i have had perfect attendance since kindergarten. Never had the flu and i doubt this could kill me unless i got the most serious strand. i am young and in shape so why worry about it.
You have the biggest risk of becomming sick then, congrats :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
I didn't get a jab for the flu's going round last year, what's so special about this one? Most people here think it's just a lot of hype over nothing, and it seems like it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
A valid point, but looking at the present stats for the UK: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/04April/...flulatest.aspxQuote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
It seems to me that the NHS stats are based on "flu" like illnesses and that these are being lumped into the main swine flu category? (with all of the misdiagnosis going on over here, it's hardly surprising)
Of cases reported (well over 100,000) and of the hundreds hospitalised, only 49 have died so far. UK winter mortality rates for last year (those dying of colds, flus and flue related illnesses) numbered in the tens of thousands according to national statistics. Are these deaths then simply part of the normal statistics? If these individuals had not contracted swine flu, would they then have suffered the same fate with regular seasonal flu anyway?
Well, it's fairly balmy here right now, not winter. Bear in mind, it is usually the old and mal-nourished that die; this outbreak has hit the young and middle-class. Against that backdrop 49 is significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caravel
In the past yes, not in modern times though. It's the elderly the very young and those that have underlying health problems that are the most vulnerable. Irrespective of class. The same goes for seasonal flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
I'd probably contract swine flu while sitting in the waiting room among 14 seriously ill, coughing people waiting for my vaccine shot...
Wouldn't you be slightly more at risk if you hardly ever get flu ?
Whereas Grizzy suffers flu at least about 4 times a year... so my immune system is trained and prepared for the situation!
If some mass vacination program starts I wouldn't avoid it, but as it is atm i wouldn't get tamiflu
If i had swineflu I probably would have tamiflu aslong as there were plenty of supplies of it... I wouldn't want to take a young kid or old person's tamiflu instead of them...
And I think you'll find WW1 had more to do with the death rate for Spainish flu. Rather than how deadly it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Hell no I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
The swine flu is just that - a flu. Actually, it's a mild form of flu.
I've already got the flu twice this year. I'll happily take it a third time before I inject myself with some barely tested hype drug.
Yeah, about that flu in 1976... Which had 3 deaths caused by the flu itself, and 25 deaths caused by the vaccine...Quote:
Ok, but you have a problem here: How many more people would have died if not for the vaccine in 1976? It's difficult to know, isn't it? One would have to go back to 1918.
only need to worry about Swine Flu if you are a child, very old person, or physically weak. If not that, just enjoy a few days in bed and getting off work on sick pay.
Out of hundreds and thousands getting Tamiflu, only a couple actually have swine flu.
Plus, there is something more disturbing, misdiagnosing is that high, people are dying of other illnesses because they are getting pushed in the swine flu bandwagon.
No, I dont think I will. I dont really think I need to worry about it. If I die of the swine flu, then I made one hell of a mistake, but if I dont, than I shall ... well, continue living.
Except the deaths have not been among the very old, very young and very infirm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa
Pregnant mothers and older children with Asthma are also seriously affected, as are others.
I'm not saying this is the end of the world, but winter has yet to arrive, and it will not be until December that we will know how this disease will spread compared to "regular" flu.
No one really builds up a resistance to the flu virus. It is really to do with exposure and certain physical conditions. I was just reading an article that said people with astham have a greater chance of contracting swine flu. any orgahs should get the vaccine, please.
Like it has been said the ones who really need the vaccine are the old, sick, and very young. Much like a ship sinking, the women and children first. :laugh4:
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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
I suppose pregnancy is not an "underlying health problem", but a pregnant women and her unborn child are still very vulnerable to illness. Asthma would count as a serious underlying health problem. A person can die from an asthma attack whether they get flu or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa
I think I may have had swine flu already.
A GP friend of mine said they had done sample tests on lots of people right at the start of the outbreak, and that people with a very wide variation of symptoms were coming back as positive - from full on flu, to just a cold, to just a temperature.
I just got a temperature and was very tired for a couple of days. I got it from my son who picked it up from school - where there had been some conformed cases.
Same, few weeks ago. My legs felt a bit weak and I have been a bit dizzy, didn't eat very much. Never have that, sometimes I feel bad for a day but I usually know why that is.
I had those sympthoms during a weekend about a month and a half ago...but at that time there where almost no cases of swine flu in Portugal so it seems unlikely that it would be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
Now that you mention it, I woke up last sunday morning at 11.00 with a tremendous headache and nausea...:thinking:
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If you get the shots you make it less likely that others will get the flu. If not for yourself, then do it for others.
And risk dying from the vaccine? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Besides, if I get the vaccine, I'd miss out on my chance to be part of a global pandemic.
Well even if you achieve immunity, either naturally or through immunisation you can still be a carrier - so the immunisation won't really help in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
This is a case of mass media hysteria. This is really no different to normal seasonal flu, what is making a difference to the average person is that the deaths are being reported constantly via mass media, whereas normal seasonal flu deaths or indeed winter morality in general, deaths on the roads or deaths due to other diseases etc do not attract this kind of media attention. In reality the media loves a good epidemic/pandemic scaremongering episode as it boosts sales of newpapers and TV advertising revenue - and it's companies like Hoffmann–La Roche Pharmaceuticals (Tamiflu) that are getting rich off the back of it all.
:yes: Wasn't H5N1 supposed to pull a Spanish Flu on us a few years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa
I'm more worried about canine influenza. There is an outbreak here on the east coast, the local shelters have shut temporarily in response. Can't have my team getting sick on me.
Except, over here we aren't in our flu season yet. As I said, wait until winter hits before declaring it all "hype".Quote:
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa
Not to forget that sitting in a doctor's waiting room with several other people, some of who may have swine flu already, is very likely to get you the disease in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa
^ hospitals do have a tendency to hand off diseases, which is very sadly ironic.
....Which is why you won't be able to see a doctor anymore if you have swine flu symptoms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
So I'll just be left to die on the street or will they bind my eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
It's called a telephone. Rather useful in these cases.
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Exactly, better wait a few days and die in your own. People, I really expect the flu doesn't hit your country as it did with mine. Prior I had the same idea about, just another flu, but it isn't. A lot of people died here, because they didn't believed the hype, I didn't and I was wrong. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Yes..this is the first state of Obama's death panels plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
They do vaccinations via telephone now? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
There's an app for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
It's a flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
You don't need any drugs to cure it.
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Originally Posted by drone
Uhm, people were arguing I should go and get a vaccination to avoid it completely and I was arguing that going to a doctor to get the vaccination seems very likely to get me the flu in the first place. If that is not what I was saying then I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
You don't pay much attention when you're speaking either?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
More than you'd think but you'd blame me anyway so I try to take your false satisfaction away by suggesting it myself and laughing about it. I'm a sadist at heart, you just don't know it yet... :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore