Would you buy NTW

Just an opinion thread. See how people here see things.

Yes, i'll camp outside the store for a week if I have to
Hysterical, can't get to sleep etc.

Yes, but i'll wait for the price to drop and read good reviews
Would buy, but slightly cautious and waiting.

Undecided, I'll see how it goes
Waiting for the time to reveal itself.

No, Empire is rubbish, I ain't buying this.
Would refrain from buying from NTW because of ETW etc.

CA has burned me for the last time!
Hmmm..... (grabs torch, and starts an angry mob)

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I voted no, not because ETW is rubbish but because I don't want another gunpowder age game, I prefer swords and spears.

I voted to camp outside a store...as i've never done anything like that before!

But really, I've been 'gaming' for 25 years, and still can't think of a single decent Napoleonic game that had battles and campaigns.

changing one of Churchill's qoutes -

" ETW is the worst battle/campaign game ever made - apart from all others ever! "

What other game have we got to look forward to...?

Just enjoy what we have!



ps - in all the months i've been playing ETW i've never has a single CTD !!!! What do some of you guys do to your PCs?!

Well I enjoy Empire so ill probably buy this, may be not as soon as it comes out but at some point.

I'm undecided, but I'm tempted to do the below.

https://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8114/burny.png
(Not exactly ETW, but you get my point)

Yes I will buy it, I still hark back to the days of MTWI but alas they are gone, but TWs always fill those smaller gaps I have now for gaming and I tend to enjoy playing them even if they are buggy at times.

I will buy it, its only £20-30 which is a night out (actually probably cheaper) anyways.

Maybe. Thats all I can say.

If it was Rome 2. Sure.

I will only buy N:TW on release if these conditions are met:

1) They release and provide the content that was promised in E:TW and they failed to deliver.
2) They fix the bugs and the diplomacy in E:TW.
3) N:TW either retrofits E:TW/Expansion.

If the first two are done, I will buy it in a Steam deal or similar.

If one or none are done. I will wait till there is a clear sign N:TW is actually a good game and if so, I might consider it in the future when it is really cheap.

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Originally Posted by Stiboo

I voted to camp outside a store...as i've never done anything like that before!

But really, I've been 'gaming' for 25 years, and still can't think of a single decent Napoleonic game that had battles and campaigns.

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ps - in all the months i've been playing ETW i've never has a single CTD !!!! What do some of you guys do to your PCs?!

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We Install Microsoft Windows on it.

I agree with Beskar, I won't be buying it unless the AI is fixed. If they charge Full price game for it, I will laugh and wait till it is really cheap. Full price for it would be a joke surely

Being honest, E:TW sits there, and I want to play it, however, when I begin to boot it up, the memories of just random DoW's from allies and other things, just come flooding back and I just turn it off, as I just don't want to play that.

Then there is the fact there is masses of content missing from the game, just like the campaign mode, the developer kits and other things.

No.

CA isn't making the games I want to play anymore, so I won't buy them.
Easy as that. Shame there is no competition though.

I'd buy it only if CA patch this game up to what we were promised, which is a magnificent AI that will blow us all away. If they don't, i won't buy it, nor will i buy any other TW games in the future.

Noup. Not the period for me and plus ETW was the one of the biggest game dissapointments I had since I started gaming (in 1997).

I'm sorry CA, I guess Medieval 2 Total War was the last TW game I'll ever purchase. :no:

You mean... Shogun?!?

To everyone else in the angry mob: I'M BRINGIN THE GASOLINE!!! :furious3::furious3::furious3:

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Being honest, E:TW sits there, and I want to play it, however, when I begin to boot it up, the memories of just random DoW's from allies and other things, just come flooding back and I just turn it off, as I just don't want to play that.

Then there is the fact there is masses of content missing from the game, just like the campaign mode, the developer kits and other things.

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hear hear:2thumbsup:

I'll get in on release day, prolly through steam.

CA must love mugs like me, but I'm addicted, and have been since MTW1:help:

Should add that I like the challenges of always being at war, and also have had hardly any CTDs so I'm a bit biased!

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Being honest, E:TW sits there, and I want to play it, however, when I begin to boot it up, the memories of just random DoW's from allies and other things, just come flooding back and I just turn it off, as I just don't want to play that.

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That's exactly what happens to me, I'm a step further now and usually don't start it in the first place...

If it stays that way, there#s no way I'm going to buy NTW, if they fix it, there's a very small chance for ETW, but I skipped Alexander as well and I'm not a big Napoleon fan, so...

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You mean... Shogun?!?

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I actually started off with Need for Speed 1.
I only found out about Shogun: Total War on Christmas 2000. :grin:

They can't even get Empire Total War working correctly. It went from a bug filled game at start up to an even buggier game now. Unless NTW somehow changes ETW so that its actually an enjoyable game, then I might think about it. Right now, I just don't have the stomach to drop $50 dollars on a game that I can't enjoy. Especially with a lot of other games coming out in the next few months that actually are worth buying.

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Originally Posted by vicsrealms

They can't even get Empire Total War working correctly. It went from a bug filled game at start up to an even buggier game now. Unless NTW somehow changes ETW so that its actually an enjoyable game, then I might think about it. Right now, I just don't have the stomach to drop $50 dollars on a game that I can't enjoy. Especially with a lot of other games coming out in the next few months that actually are worth buying.

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NTW is being released as a stand alone title. This is an unusual departure from the usual add on expansions of past releases and could point to the plug being pulled on ETW updates sooner than has been the norm with other TW games.

Usually an expansion is released and the orginal game benefits from the patching, for example M2TW was updated to function correctly with Kingdoms. As NTW is to be a standalone game, then this could mean that ETW updates will be frozen once NTW is released. This is going by past trends where the previous title was never patched once a new release was out.

Some clarification from the CA on this one would be good? i.e. is NTW going to be a stand alone expansion, that is to say a derivative of ETW rather than whole new game in it's own right, and will ETW continue to be patched once NTW is released?

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I don't know yet. Is it going to be just a fouled up as ETW?

Not only that, but it is very much a new game. I find it hard to get all excited for it while I still struggle with ETW.

From what is released about it so far, it doesn't sound like it has a great deal of depth. I doubt there will be very many playable factions to oppose Bonaparte anyway.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

From what is released about it so far, it doesn't sound like it has a great deal of depth. I doubt there will be very many playable factions to oppose Bonaparte anyway.

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Lusted has said there is going to be a grand campaign mode, so that implies a decent number of playable factions. At a minimum, I would expect England, Austria, Prussia and Russia to be playable to oppose France. To be honest, any more than that seems a little ahistorical - they were the major players at the time. (Spain was something of a sick man of Europe.)

NTW is really the game era I am looking for and would be very interested. However, I must admit I have played little ETW other then the intro scenarios. There have been a lot of games covering the era and the best before computers was Avalon Hill War and Peace especially multiplayer, that means 6 people meeting at one location to play. As for computer I was very impressed War and Peace game from 2002.

http://www.microids.com/en/catalogue...1796-1815.html

A very intense game almost too much going on but the graphics for the time were excellent and the land battles could be intense. Very similar for the TW game engine. Unfortunately I can't run it anymore because I would definitely give it another try.

Will I buy NTW most likely but not on release I have already learned my lesson. It's taken a couple times. :wall:

I will buy it as the period is something I studied for a few years.

I'm interested to see how they create it.

I voted yes but I never camp outside stores or pre-order. I'll pick it up as soon as it's convenient.

I'm sorry to say this as I'm a Total War veteran from the days of Shogun, but NTW is definately out of my plans for a number of reasons.

Like most people here I am a TW veteran and own every game in the series except Spartan.

However, ETW is the last time I will pre-order and put my trust in CA's integrity as a designer of historical strategy games. They basically burned all their credit with me by their complete lack of appreciation of 18th century history and warfare.

I suspect that NTW is going to be as bad, if not worse, so as far as I'm concerned my money is going to stay in my wallet until I am assured by other players that this time they got the period right and that the game functions as a historical strategy game set in the period advertised.

Allow me to be a little blunt here...

'Lusted said' doesn't hold much water after ETW's fiasco. Mr Lusted can say whatever he wants but I don't believe him or any trailers, teasers, screenshots, videos or statements.

Undecided. I havent read much about it to be honest. Not really excited or much interested at this point. That could change however in time.

Undecided, but probably not. This feels like an expansion pack. It seems like each campaign will be about the same size as M2, but no new gameplay features or improvements. I rarely buy expansion packs because they are usually another 40 hours of the same thing.

Now, if it was an expansion pack I might buy it if they promised to fix the AI in ETW. I don't think patch 1.4 will be enough for the AI. This is just not likely though, and I can wait until someone else tests it for me anyways.

I have to say, for me its the diplomacy thats a let down. the fact that one minute spain are your allies and the next they are atttacking everyone is ridiculous. None of the A.I talk to you and try to broker deals, all they do is run round the map trying to start fights which wasn the case historically. Ca seem to have forgotten that while this may be a Total War game, that doesnt mean you have to be at war all the time! There isnt that much wrong with the game its just the diplomacy really for me. But its such a linchpin of the game it makes it kinda unplayable and more like a game of Age of Empires.

So I'm waiting till late september when the patch comes out. his is CA's last chance to prove to me they are not a bunch of money grabbing *****. If they fix it I will buy The add-on. If not Im afraid they wont see another penny from me. Sorry CA.

undecided, but leaning towards no. would rather spend the money on guitars and other stuff. useful stuff.

45% say no :stunned:
I wonder how many will eventually cave in.

Depends on if you define 'cave in' as 1)Buy it early on or 2)Buy it after people give good reviews.

I probably won't, but I'm still undecided. Mostly because, with heavilly modded Oblivion and the full version of Mount and Blade, I'll be kept very busy for a while. I'll probably finish playing Warbands (releasing in february I believe) about the time a Rome 2 or Shogun 2 comes out.

Until CA settles for a campaign complexity they can code a decent AI for, I won't be interested in their products. Even if it means going back to the risk map, it's preferable to the random movement (or perpetual non-movement) we have now.

I'm undecided but if it's anything like E:TW then I'll definatly not buy it. ETW was hyped up so much it hurt when I figured it didn't work on my PC. But that's normal, most people who bought ETW knew they had the PC for it, unlike silly me:wall:...


But even then the amount of complaints for bugs is more than the complaints for it not working...disgraceful.

I can just about play the campaign (veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow) and the AI is atrocious. I know games from 2002 with better AI, let alone MII:TW (IMO, some disagree) where you could at least have an alliance that lasts 2 turns...



They obviously knew they were :daisy: so decided to pull the plug on ETW and make NTW. I've never seen another TW game go out so early.

After seeing ETW, I can't understand why other creators arn't having a go at the TWesque type game. To hell with "tradition" they would get my vote so long as they produce some better stuff.

RTW 2 will hopefully come out that way they can show if they really have improved apart from graphics.

Other developers have tried a Total War type game, turn based campaign with real time battles, Imperial Glory is an example of one but its battles are quite poor. You could not drag units around to set there formation and there didn't seem to be any friendly fire they would just shoot though each others back.

ETW may have disappointed some but Total War is still the king of its hill in my book.

I'll buy NTW.

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Originally Posted by Zerg

Other developers have tried a Total War type game, turn based campaign with real time battles, Imperial Glory is an example of one but its battles are quite poor. You could not drag units around to set there formation and there didn't seem to be any friendly fire they would just shoot though each others back.

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It doesn't stop other developers from having a go though does it? IMHO games developers nowadays tend to stick to what they know and this is why there are no new daring and innovative games any more - just the same old rehashed stuff.

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Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa

It doesn't stop other developers from having a go though does it? IMHO games developers nowadays tend to stick to what they know and this is why there are no new daring and innovative games any more - just the same old rehashed stuff.

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No it shouldn't and there were good things in IG like a diplomacy screen instead of diplomats running around... hummm. I think if more tried to make games like TW they would probably come up with new and different ideas of what should be in said games and how they should play which cant be a bad thing.

They would all face the same problem of trying to make good AI as computers can't think, yet.

Well, I have IG and like Zerg says the diplomacy and technology tree are ideas that seem taken from IG and made even worse!

The campaign AI in Imperial Glory is better (much more cautious, build up sometimes much better than you, have the brains to even out their armies, in diplomacy : they offer you some good deals and certainly don't reject the more strange ones, Peaceful annexing is a good feature to build up your empire without declaring a new world war etc...). For that reason the campaign seems more challenging and you can't just blitz your way to victory so easely it hurts.

The battles in IG and ETW are incomparable because of the age difference. It's only natural that ETW has better graphics, more options etc... when it was made 4(?) years after IG. Imperial Glory Naval battles are the spitting image of the ETW ones (apart from graphics) so again CA are hardly making an effort.

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Originally Posted by risker

Well, I have IG and like Zerg says the diplomacy and technology tree are ideas that seem taken from IG and made even worse!

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Well I think the technology tree is batter in ETW as you need to build universities for it and can work on more things at once in fact the whole technology just seems to make more scene in ETW compared to what they did it in IG.

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Originally Posted by risker

The campaign AI in Imperial Glory is better (much more cautious, build up sometimes much better than you, have the brains to even out their armies, in diplomacy : they offer you some good deals and certainly don't reject the more strange ones, Peaceful annexing is a good feature to build up your empire without declaring a new world war etc...). For that reason the campaign seems more challenging and you can't just blitz your way to victory so easely it hurts.

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IG still used a risk style map total war had moved on before IG came out with the Rome 3D map, so they AI had a lot less to worry about. Diplomacy AI in Empire seems to have changed specifucly to force war on the player it would be nice if they made batter use of there new diplomacy screen with a AI more willing to make deals with the player.
I don't think they way the peaceful annexing worked in IG made scene, build some buildings antill they like you enough then as if by magic they became part of your empire, what? I got Spain to become part of Great Britain that way.

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Originally Posted by risker

The battles in IG and ETW are incomparable because of the age difference. It's only natural that ETW has better graphics, more options etc... when it was made 4(?) years after IG. Imperial Glory Naval battles are the spitting image of the ETW ones (apart from graphics) so again CA are hardly making an effort.

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Really? The battles in Shogun (2000) were batter graphics aside. Land battles in the Total War games are just batter than they were in IG. I mean if you charged into melee in IG they would just become a uncontrollable blob of men. The navel battles are modelled a bit batter in ETW ships can fire at will and can sink if you try to turn them sharply if they have been hit below the waterline. Oh and morale did not seem to be in the battles in any way.

Wall the developers of IG had some nice things in the game which Rome did not have I think it was let down by the battles which were batter in Rome and any total war.

I went with the 'CA has burned me for the last time' route. The Total War concept is no longer something I want held pretty much exclusively in the hands of the Creative Assembly anymore, who have started to consistently release unacceptably poor quality product and almost disasterous post release patching. Medieval 2 is as far as I go now, and that's only on the caveat of being able to make use of the relatively simple and effective 2-handed weapon fix made by a modder. And it's not like the game is perfect, but I might as well enjoy indulging in the brutality of a full stack of longbowmen doing a combine harvester impression.

The biggest mistake Imperial Glory had was not realising that CA had the concepts and interface nailed down as far as the tactical battles go, and I'd encourage anyone making a game on the Total War method to do the smart thing and lift all the conceptual stuff that works; how you control the battle and how the units interact and move.

I've got a vote of zero confidence in CA, I won't buy anything from them again without extreme scrutiny and certainly nothing in the short term future of the next few years.

Maybe this explains why ETW was rushed out? http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=295704

They hyped it up so much that in the end they managed to get them rolling in....as one as said before, the CA (probably) isn't at fault, it's just SEGA needed the money...

Voted burnt once too often. People complain about ETW. I think M2TW was an unfinished product. I guess Rome had its flaws, but you have some excellent mods for it. EB is an awesome game. CA really chose the wrong publisher with SEGA. seeing that 45% is negative vs. 25% positive on NTW, I hope that goes the same way with sales. The only way a company like SEGA will learn is if you burn up their earnings. I haven't bought ETW, and most likely won't. I'm still a bit intrigued by the era, but not enough to buy an unfinished game.

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Originally Posted by Zajuts149

CA really chose the wrong publisher with SEGA.

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There was no choice involved as SEGA actually own CA.

I won't be buying it. I have (I think) a pretty decent computer which runs Medieval and Kingdoms like a dream, but Empire has been a complete disaster. It runs really sluggishly and although I can play custom battles (really slowly) and the Road to Independence the campaign just can't be run with the battles without CTDs. I have no intention on forking out a fortune buying a new system for Napoleon. I like others are not too fussed about the napoleonic era and personally would prefer a Mongol era game or even a new Rome one, preferably one that doesn't need Deep Blue to run it.

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Originally Posted by kitbogha

I won't be buying it. I have (I think) a pretty decent computer which runs Medieval and Kingdoms like a dream, but Empire has been a complete disaster. It runs really sluggishly and although I can play custom battles (really slowly) and the Road to Independence the campaign just can't be run with the battles without CTDs. I have no intention on forking out a fortune buying a new system for Napoleon. I like others are not too fussed about the napoleonic era and personally would prefer a Mongol era game or even a new Rome one, preferably one that doesn't need Deep Blue to run it.

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Ditto. I don't know what they thought they were doing by having system requirements beyond the capabilities of most PCs other than ultra gaming setups. But talk about limiting your market. :oops: Anyway, I'm done with the TW series. Still enjoying the hell out of M2TW and RTW, though.

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Originally Posted by gardibolt

Ditto. I don't know what they thought they were doing by having system requirements beyond the capabilities of most PCs other than ultra gaming setups. But talk about limiting your market. :oops: Anyway, I'm done with the TW series. Still enjoying the hell out of M2TW and RTW, though.

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Eh? Isn't this something most game companies do? Pushing all for graphics that a small percent of players can play on decently high graphic settings.

http://draginol.joeuser.com/article/...racy_PC_Gaming <--- This might explain it even better.

I have what I think was a mid range PC when I spend money on it two years ago. And I can run Empire quite well on medium settings and it looks quite good. The only time I have trouble is a on line 4 v 4 but other than that it seems fine.

Intel Core2 CPU 2.40GHs
2GB Ram
Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS 256MB
Win Vista 32 bit

Edit, Krusader that was a very interesting article you linked to there. He is probably right they do spend a lot of time catering for high end stuff when most of us probably don't have that stuff.

I'm hopeing they don;t raise the requirements for Napoleon too much as I wont be able to play it if they do that.

I voted Yes. I have purchased every TW game and xpack from Shogun through ETW (i admit i didnt buy Alexander). I know the games do have their short comings, but for me anyway, they give me the best combo of campaign strategy and real time battle command I am going to find (that suits my history based needs). I mean jeez, I am a 24 year old married guy who is getting his masters in Secondary Social Studies Education, and i could hardly sleep the days leading up to ETW release. sad i know, but i just enjoy these games, and until the day comes where TW wont load on MY comp, i will keep buying them

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Originally Posted by gardibolt

Ditto. I don't know what they thought they were doing by having system requirements beyond the capabilities of most PCs other than ultra gaming setups. But talk about limiting your market. :oops: Anyway, I'm done with the TW series. Still enjoying the hell out of M2TW and RTW, though.

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It seems a bit self defeating issuing a game that many of your core customers can't use. I will inevitably upgrade my sysytem eventually but having already forked out on a new graphics card to little avail, I am not in any hurry to do so. Empire has been the biggest disappointment ever, having anticipated it with drool hanging off my gnashers for months...
The kind of gamers this genre appeals to is fairly small, I imagine but would be very loyal to the brand. I for one have been in from the start and loved all the previous games. Like you I am still getting plenty of thrills from MTW2 and have been revisting Rome as well. Just a shame they have ruined the franchise for so many people by teching them out of the market.

I'll pre-order it on Steam ASAP.

I will not give CA another red cent. A decade they've been making these games, and what have we seen? A drop in battle AI quality. A steep fall in campaign AI. The only improvements have been in graphics.

So why would NTW reverse that? What evidence do we have that they would suddenly start becoming competent at something besides graphics? Did the magical game fairy come to them at night and sprinkle the magic dust of competent AI programming on them?

Right now, E:TW isn't finished. I feel like an idiot for buying it; why in the world would I buy another product from CA when their last one isn't finished, and they seem not to be serious about doing so.

The smart bet is that they'll hype the improvements, leave us out to dry like with ETW and move on after they've got our money.

No, I'm certainly not going to buy it. I bought the complete edition of EU:3 a couple months back. Came with all the expansion packs for just $20.

And you know what it has? No real time battles - but excellent AI. I still play it now for hours on end, though I abandoned ETW months ago. I don't think I could go back to ETW - the AI would make me bash my head against the wall after experiencing EU3.

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