As some of you may (or may not) remember a while ago Tux floated around the idea around for a face database thread in this post.
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Originally Posted by Tux
Anyway I'm thinking of creating a thread were everyone can post the faces they would wish to see in EB2's units.
This would help us, artists, since we wouldn't lose time searching for useful pics however I would need a volunteer to coordonate the thread. But if no one volunteers then no problem I'll just drop this idea.~:)
So with Tux's blessing I am volunteering to start and manage...
The EBII Face Database
As Tux says having a easily accessible database will make the EB team's job easier and speed the release of the mod which is good news for everyone. This is a chance for the fans to make a contribution to the mod we all know and love and who knows, if you lucky your face could end up in the game, maybe on a frenzied nudist Gaesatae hacking away at his enemies:clown:.
The face images will be divided into regional groups to allow the EB guys to easily navigate what will hopefully be a sizable collection of faces from all over the EB map.
Northern Europe
(Light Green)Faces from the following countries will go here: Ireland, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Moldova, Estonia, Lithuania, Lativia.
Southern Europe
(Red)Faces from the following countries will go here: Portugal, Spain, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, FYRO Macedonia, Bulgaria, Greece.
The Upper Nile & Eastern Sahara
(Light Orange)Faces from the following countries will go here: Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Niger, Chad, Djibouti.
If anyone has any issues with the choice of regional groups please feel free to say so, I freely admit my knowledge of some areas is not perfect so if southern Arabians look considerable different from northern or people from the Caucasus's don't look any different from those in Anatolia please let me know. I'm also open to new group suggestions if anyone has any.:yes:
**Important**When you post you picture please state what region you think they should be in as well as what rough group you think they would suit (Celtic, Germanic, Greek, Iranian etc). This will help if I ever need to do some rearrangement of the regional groups.
Also if you can give the exact place of origin for a face (like "Yemen" or "Poland") then do so but this is by no means essential and would just be a bonus.**Important**
Finally
**!!PLEASE POST YOU PICTURES AS LINKS!!**
This prevents the thread from having ridiculous loading times due to multiple pictures trying to load when opened.
Really Finally
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Originally Posted by bobbin
For most of the regions in the EB map people would look very similar to how they looked in 272bc.
The EB historians are the ones who will pick which faces go to which peoples, so rest assured they won't choose a face that doesn't match up historically.
Can people please stop asking this question now:wall:.
Bobbin
11-16-2009, 02:40
bobbin
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Tux's Requirments
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Originally Posted by Tux
To create realistic and quick faces we prefer to use pictures from real persons and modify them by adding beards, scars and other features. Thus to help our work we need pictures that satisfy some requierements:
-the picture should have an resolution of at least 240*300(of the head area);
-there shouldn't any lights that light only part of the face;
-the angle on which you view the face should be straight; (
Some optional requierments:
-they should have their mouth closed
-eyes should be open
*Note: Click on the images to see the size needed*
On top of what Tux suggested I recommend that the face should be relatively unobscured by things such as hair and other objects (Beards are fine though) and obviously no things things such as glasses or sunshades. Photos should also be in colour.
On a final note feel free to send in your own face along with any others if you wish and if your lucky it might end up in the mod.
11-16-2009, 03:22
A Very Super Market
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Keep in mind that populations do move around though. A Tunisian EB player probably wouldn't look anything like a Carthaginian.
11-16-2009, 03:46
bobbin
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Actually most Tunisians would look quite similar to the majority of the Carthaginian population and their soldiers (ie Bebers) as genetically little has changed.
In most cases the underlying gentics of a region is rarely affected by invasion and migration all that happens is people start to identify themselves with the newcomers and abandon their old ethnic identity, Britons despite seeing multiple migrations and invasions share at very least 50% and usually much more of thier genes with the orginal settlers of the island, same goes for Turkey where dispite the majority of the popuation identifying as Turkish genetically their little different from the people of Anatolia in EB's timeframe.
11-16-2009, 03:57
A Very Super Market
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Really? Well, excluding my poor example, what about all those tribes that were forcefully pushed out by the huns?
11-16-2009, 04:04
satalexton
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too few to make a difference. The reason they're pushed out cuz they're not dead, the Huns killed them all.
11-16-2009, 04:34
bobbin
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Well the Huns didn't have much of an impact otherwise whole areas of eastern europe would have mongolian features, plus they didn't drive out the entire population of a region when they took over and large parts of their armies were other european tribes that would have looked similar to to the conquered people. Even in France which bore the brunt of the migration period the genetics didn't change by that much.
Have a look at the demographic's section in most countries Wiki pages and there will usually be a little bit about population genetics.
This page also has some interesting maps showing the various distrubutions of genetic halotypes in europe and their origins.
11-16-2009, 12:14
KARTLOS
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Actually most Tunisians would look quite similar to the majority of the Carthaginian population and their soldiers (ie Bebers) as genetically little has changed.
In most cases the underlying gentics of a region is rarely affected by invasion and migration all that happens is people start to identify themselves with the newcomers and abandon their old ethnic identity, Britons despite seeing multiple migrations and invasions share at very least 50% and usually much more of thier genes with the orginal settlers of the island, same goes for Turkey where dispite the majority of the popuation identifying as Turkish genetically their little different from the people of Anatolia in EB's timeframe.
even if the underlying genetics are fairly consistent, it does not take require a big influx to make a big impact - particularly if the phenotype of the new stock is very distinct.
Consider for example what happens when you mix some of black African descent with a European. The typical black african features e.g skin colour, hair type, facial features are quite strong and distinct from those of a european. In a practical sense this means that if you had only one black grandparent your lineage would still be obvious.
this is particularly pertinent in North Africa, where there has been a considerable intermixing with people of sub- saharan (e.g "black" african) descent over the past 2000yrs, and particularly since the arrival of islam. This is particularly obvious in Egypt which has always had strong links to sub saharan africa, and in morrocco where there was a deliberate use of black slave armies.
This influx would have occured on a much smaller scale in the time of E.b and it is fair to say that in many instances North Africans no longer resemble the peoples who inhabited that region in the time frame of Eb
11-16-2009, 12:52
bobbin
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Okay the requiements are up so I'll get the ball rolling with this grim looking guy perfect for a Gaul.
Sebastian Chabal a French rugby player
I am Cree, Saulteaux, and Metis. Can you use my pretty face?
Yeah sure just say which region group you think you should go in and I'll pop you in there.
11-16-2009, 13:36
bobbin
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Originally Posted by KARTLOS
even if the underlying genetics are fairly consistent, it does not take require a big influx to make a big impact - particularly if the phenotype of the new stock is very distinct.
Consider for example what happens when you mix some of black African descent with a European. The typical black african features e.g skin colour, hair type, facial features are quite strong and distinct from those of a european. In a practical sense this means that if you had only one black grandparent your lineage would still be obvious.
this is particularly pertinent in North Africa, where there has been a considerable intermixing with people of sub- saharan (e.g "black" african) descent over the past 2000yrs, and particularly since the arrival of islam. This is particularly obvious in Egypt which has always had strong links to sub saharan africa, and in morrocco where there was a deliberate use of black slave armies.
This influx would have occured on a much smaller scale in the time of E.b and it is fair to say that in many instances North Africans no longer resemble the peoples who inhabited that region in the time frame of Eb
I wouldnt agree with that, while i'm sure there are some people and some areas that have noticable african descent the large majority of north africans would look similar to those in EB's timeframe as the numbers moving into the region would be too small to drasticly effect the look of the people.
As for the black grandparent thing you'd be surprised how quickly such noticable features can disappear, a friend of my mother's didn't even know that his great-grandfather was Tamil until he saw an old family photograph with him in, up until that point he thought he was 100% British.
Anyway its all beside the point as this is just a database, the EB skinners will decide what faces to use and will no doubt pick the most appropriate.
11-16-2009, 13:41
Tux
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Anyway its all beside the point as this is just a database, the EB skinners will decide what faces to use and will no doubt pick the most appropriate.
In fact the historians will choose them.~:) Of course we will do the same thing but mostly like proposals for them.
11-16-2009, 14:47
Subotan
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Anyway its all beside the point as this is just a database, the EB skinners will decide what faces to use and will no doubt pick the most appropriate.
My face is very appropriate :snobby:. Do you think they'd prefer a slightly fuzzy upper lip, or totally clean shaven?
Seriously though, is there a possibility that we'll end up with a series of stereotypes, as the skinner may pick the face with the most "Celtic" or "Indian" characteristics?
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Guys stop the spamming, it isn't helpful. If you wish to see your face in our units then at least make them fit the requierments.
The thread has just been opened and out of all the posts there are only 2 with submissions. Also if you wish to discuss how much the genetics have changed from antiquity then make another thread.
This is a face database thread and not a personal chat thread.
11-16-2009, 15:46
Genava
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Ahh to bad this pic isn't exactly seen from the front.:no: It would have been really nice to use on a unit.
11-16-2009, 16:17
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Subotan
Seriously though, is there a possibility that we'll end up with a series of stereotypes, as the skinner may pick the face with the most "Celtic" or "Indian" characteristics?
As Tux said its the EB Historians who will decide what faces to use so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Pic from Subotan added
Pic from Genava added
11-16-2009, 16:38
Genava
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Can you get some bigger pictures of their faces? those are a little small, remember a minimum of 240*300 pixels for the face area.
Something about this size would be ideal (but this is obviously not suitable due to the helmet obscuring the face.)
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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq
Some of these Celt-Re-enactors look more North African than Celtic :laugh4:
:inquisitive: I know that France counts too many Maghrebians but in the Celtic re-enactment there is very little of them. Which photo makes you think that?
11-16-2009, 18:56
Zradha Pahlavan
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Western steppe doesn't just mean the Sauromate and Scythians it also includes the ancestors of the Slavs hence him going in that group, I can see your argument for having him in the Northern Europe section though.
Nice picture Zadra Pahlavan added it to the database.
11-16-2009, 21:26
Subotan
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Hehe I already knew the man with the back mustache, and in fact I alredy used his face for a sauromatae unit... (but with a smaller mustache):beam:
Keep in mind that the pictures have to be of good quality, and the faces have to be seen from the front. It's better if the faces have no expression (no smile, etc, but they can look a bit angry), and a good lightning too.
Now show your faces !:beam:
11-16-2009, 21:54
Subotan
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Originally Posted by Gustave
Hehe I already knew the man with the back mustache, and in fact I alredy used his face for a sauromatae unit... (but with a smaller mustache):beam:
Heh, awesome :beam:
Although his long moustache is just part of the appeal :beam:
Btw, do they have to be "barbarian", as it were, or can they just be like a picture of me in my house in a t-shirt?
11-16-2009, 22:09
Tux
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Originally Posted by Subotan
Btw, do they have to be "barbarian", as it were, or can they just be like a picture of me in my house in a t-shirt?
They can look however you wish, we're interested in the face features.
But let's keep in mind age, some or too old to be a soldier so I would suggest to bobbin, if it's not too much trouble, to make another section called ancillary as they might be used there.
11-16-2009, 22:43
Ibrahim
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well, you can use that Syrian guy. but here's a few more; I don't know how much good they will be though. most are from royal families (al sabaha and al-saud), who are nomadic in decent, so they have minimal "foreign" influence. not many were facing forward though, and these are far from perfect. :sad:
and yes, typing in "arabs" reveals few other generic types. I myself am ineligeable because my family has had too much Kurdish influence (on dad's side). that gave us all light brown or blond hair-a rarity in Arabs.
11-16-2009, 23:42
Subotan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustave
Hehe I already knew the man with the back mustache, and in fact I alredy used his face for a sauromatae unit... (but with a smaller mustache):beam:
Keep in mind that the pictures have to be of good quality, and the faces have to be seen from the front. It's better if the faces have no expression (no smile, etc, but they can look a bit angry), and a good lightning too.
Now show your faces !:beam:
Are you talking about the French rugby player? You have to post a screen of him ingame!
Oh and what are you going to do with these faces? Are you going to make each one individually in zbrush (teh win) or use an automated face generator like facegen (teh suck) or 3dmenow (pictured)?
Maybe my face was eligible for some of the Saka and Sauro..... :oops:
If they had asian descent.... OOPS they have no glasses......
:sweatdrop:
11-17-2009, 10:13
Subotan
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It will be interesting leading armies of celebrities and politicians into battle.
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Originally Posted by Banzai!
Oh and what are you going to do with these faces? Are you going to make each one individually in zbrush (teh win) or use an automated face generator like facegen (teh suck) or 3dmenow (pictured)?
I doubt they'd use the one you pictured, as you'd need a profile of that same face as well.
11-17-2009, 11:16
Rahwana
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Originally Posted by Subotan
It will be interesting leading armies of celebrities and politicians into battle.
LOL! I wonder about an Elite African Infantry filled with Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Cuba Gooding, Issac Hayes... and many more Holywood faces..... But if we made them into some sort of Nubian/Ethiophian Levies....... :sweatdrop:
11-17-2009, 13:06
Subotan
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Although you cannot deny that an army made up of Samuel L Jacksons would probably be the most terrifying thing this world would ever see.
11-17-2009, 13:24
bobbin
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Added a bunch of faces but many being put forward are far too small, remember a 240 by 300 pixel minimum head area. Zadra Pahlavan's pic is a good example of what the minimal desired size is. https://i225.photobucket.com/albums/.../face_rain.jpg
11-17-2009, 14:17
Subotan
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Will you tell us if the faces we submit will be used? :beam:
EDIT: I'm guessing that the likes of Southern Europe will be more important than, say India, so should we make an effort to get more Greek/Spanish/Italian/Portuguese faces?
11-17-2009, 15:17
Subotan
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Originally Posted by Subotan
Will you tell us if the faces we submit will be used? :beam:
EDIT: I'm guessing that the likes of Southern Europe will be more important than, say India, so should we make an effort to get more Greek/Spanish/Italian/Portuguese faces?
I won't know anymore than you about that, its up to the team.
While more faces for Southern Europe than India will probably be needed due to that region likely having more units in it don't try to focus one group too much, if you see a pic that is suitable wherever it is from post it up.
Added a bunch form Subotan
11-17-2009, 17:17
Bucefalo
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I am no expert in this, but have observed when traveling.
I lived in Thessaloniki for a year, many of the "Greeks" looks like Turks to me. (typical big Turkish nose and more dark skin tone).
I meet some Greeks from outlying mountain regions of Crete, and they look nothing like the modern Turkish Greek person (semi straight Greek nose, many different types of hair color, lighter skin tone).
Don't use a modern Greek Turks to represent classical Greek's?
11-17-2009, 20:03
Subotan
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Woah, that is weird
11-17-2009, 22:33
Ibrahim
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Originally Posted by Subotan
Woah, that is weird
if you mean the mark on the forehead, then that's because they are Shia.
@Bobbin: the first guy was Kuwaiti (he's dead now), the second is the current ruler of the Emirates, adn the third? I dunno.
also, the syrian guy you had is also good for the arabs. yes-there are arabs from the region with brown hair. In fact, any semetic face will do, so long as its not from Ethiopia.
11-18-2009, 01:51
AncientFanTR
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Originally Posted by Reshey
I am no expert in this, but have observed when traveling.
I lived in Thessaloniki for a year, many of the "Greeks" looks like Turks to me. (typical big Turkish nose and more dark skin tone).
I meet some Greeks from outlying mountain regions of Crete, and they look nothing like the modern Turkish Greek person (semi straight Greek nose, many different types of hair color, lighter skin tone).
Don't use a modern Greek Turks to represent classical Greek's?
I think you want to be careful not to include actual turkic faces. The guy you have for turkey doesn't actually look very turkic, but the azeris do, but in EB timeframe practically all turks were still in north eastern asian steppe. (also that guy you have for syria looks positively Afghan)
@Reshey, when i was in Izmir last summer, I thought that many people looked quite Greek! (lighter hair, different skin colour)
big nose? Practically all my family are rather turkic-looking and none of us have big noses! :p
11-18-2009, 03:04
war is hell
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Far out it is ridicously difficult to find profile (side on) pictures and its annoying me.
11-18-2009, 11:40
bobbin
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Originally Posted by AncientFanTR
I think you want to be careful not to include actual turkic faces. The guy you have for turkey doesn't actually look very turkic, but the azeris do, but in EB timeframe practically all turks were still in north eastern asian steppe. (also that guy you have for syria looks positively Afghan)
@Reshey, when i was in Izmir last summer, I thought that many people looked quite Greek! (lighter hair, different skin colour)
big nose? Practically all my family are rather turkic-looking and none of us have big noses! :p
The Turkic migrations had little impact gentically speaking anywhere west of Uzbekistan as those regions (Iran, Iraq, Caucasus, Anatolia, Greece etc) had high populations that were able to adsorb the incoming migrants (who would have become quite mixed already). A Genetic Landscape Reshaped by Recent Events: Y-Chromosomal Insights into Central Asia.
The upshot of this is that for most of the regions in the EB map people would look very similar to how they looked in 272bc.
The EB historians are the ones who will pick which faces go to which peoples, so rest assured they won't choose a face that doesn't match up historically.
Can people please stop asking this question now:wall:
@Iraklis: Do you have a photo that is more face on and more evenly lit? could also be a bit bigger too.
11-18-2009, 12:05
Tretii
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I am sorry, let me get it straight - can we actually post OUR faces, not the faces we found on the net?
11-18-2009, 12:08
Tretii
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Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.
11-18-2009, 12:35
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Tretii
I am sorry, let me get it straight - can we actually post OUR faces, not the faces we found on the net?
Yes your actively encouraged to!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tretii
Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.
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Originally Posted by bobbin
The upshot of this is that for most of the regions in the EB map people would look very similar to how they looked in 272bc.
The EB historians are the ones who will pick which faces go to which peoples, so rest assured they won't choose a face that doesn't match up historically.
Can people please stop asking this question now:wall:.
Also seem to have run into a problem with the hitting the max number of pictures allowed in one post, trying to sort this at the moment.
Edit: On some advice from Ludens I'm recommending people should post thier pictures as links from now on, I've changed the starting post accordingly as well
11-18-2009, 13:03
Subotan
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Originally Posted by Tretii
Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.
The last one was a Copt. Besides, it's not like there was some kind of ethnic cleansing and all Egyptians were replaced by Arabs.
Now I just need to upload my face :D
11-18-2009, 14:07
bobbin
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Originally Posted by Banzai!
HQ Faces. Slightly on the old side but could make good generals.
Very good face pictures, spot on what is needed. Shame about the subjects though, I put them up anyway as I'm sure they could be altered to make them look less recognisable (i know i wouldn't want to have Hitler or Ceausescu as my faction leaders face).
11-18-2009, 16:05
SwissBarbar
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Very good face pictures, spot on what is needed. Shame about the subjects though, I put them up anyway as I'm sure they could be altered to make them look less recognisable (i know i wouldn't want to have Hitler or Ceausescu as my faction leaders face).
Dito. No Celebs!
11-18-2009, 16:13
Tretii
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Originally Posted by bobbin
Yes your actively encouraged to!
Thanks mate, I will send my god like face then :egypt:
11-18-2009, 17:57
TheStranger
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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar
Dito. No Celebs!
I can only support that. And I have to say I was really upset, when I clicked on the "Austrian" face and I saw Hitler...sorry but I thought this forum is not so simple minded or is the only face that is associated with Austria Hitler? And I wonder what Hitler and other war criminals are doing in this thread (and the celebs). Ok the face models are just hilarious but thats not the topic.
Sry if this sounds offensive, but I didn't expect that when I was curiously reading this thread.
11-18-2009, 18:24
bobbin
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Sorry for causing offense:embarassed:, it's the only one thats been submitted so far from that country and i was trying to keep things subjective as it was a very clear picture of a face. I'll take it down if you want (along with the other ones, can't be biased in that respect). I personally added some more austrians to the list as way of a little sorry.
As for the famous people pics its going to be hard to make a big list if we exclude the most photographed people from the database, I imagine once they have gone through the skinning process they won't be recognisable (this was the thinking with the war criminal ones too).
11-18-2009, 18:52
Gustave
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Of course, we will not include war criminals faces on EB2...I think this is just not the kind of thing that make us laugh.
11-18-2009, 18:54
Tretii
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Originally Posted by TheStranger
I can only support that. And I have to say I was really upset, when I clicked on the "Austrian" face and I saw Hitler...sorry but I thought this forum is not so simple minded or is the only face that is associated with Austria Hitler? And I wonder what Hitler and other war criminals are doing in this thread (and the celebs). Ok the face models are just hilarious but thats not the topic.
Sry if this sounds offensive, but I didn't expect that when I was curiously reading this thread.
What about Shwarzi? He is gov'nor now. Could be used as commander.
11-18-2009, 18:57
bobbin
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Removed pics.
Add lots more.
11-18-2009, 19:21
Tux
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The nice pic with the ethiopian is now broken.
11-18-2009, 19:25
Subotan
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Fixed
Thanks for the link Subotan.
11-18-2009, 19:47
The General
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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar
Dito. No Celebs!
I agree, I'd really rather not have Stalin, Ceauşescu and Putin duking it out with Hitler, Mussolini and Brad Pitt. :wall:
11-18-2009, 19:57
Tux
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Woah Ceauşescu is quite renowned from what I see.~:) But don't worry we won't make terminators, aragons and so on. We try to give them an ancient look like for example Aragon: https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3286/15725190.jpg
Low res I know...
11-18-2009, 20:26
Subotan
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That's the guy who played Aragon? Awesome.
11-18-2009, 23:02
Ludens
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I've removed the war-criminal/dictator images post as well as several replies. Please refrain from such jokes in the future.
11-18-2009, 23:47
Ibrahim
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Originally Posted by Tretii
Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.
actually, no, they mostly aren't of arab decent. most Egyptians in the middle ages adopted the names of their overloards, who were a minority of the population at best.
there were simply never enough of them to change the general appearence of Egyptians*. even in Arabia, the character of the population is (mostly) different from ancient times, since the Arabs loved to import east africans slaves, whom they often had kids/ intermarried with. the only idea IIRC of how the ancient might have looked is with the Nomadic tribes and aristocracies of the peninsula-Arabs traditionally judged your eminency by how "pure" you are. its why many tribes today are inbred. look up Antara ibn shadded for an example of what happens when you aren't "pure".**
and yes, I included every possible spectrum of color I could find: from very light to Olive colored. I even made sure that the sample had African admixture, to reflect the slave trade's effects on the population. (PS: thanks to whoever found the picture of that yemeni man.)
and yes, Copts do resemble the above people-I had quite a few coptic friends in Kuwait.
*nor did they go about slaughtering them..
**no, I on't support these practices, but knowlge of them can help make EB accurate.
11-19-2009, 09:53
jazstl
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Ehm, the last Illiryan nation in balkan are the Albanese... Try them for making the moddels....
11-19-2009, 10:36
bobbin
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
That map is from 1899.:inquisitive:
As I said in a fairly recent post, the genetic contribution (which is what determines many things about you including skin colour and facial structure) from Turkic peoples drops off around Uzbekistan. Ethnicity as we understand it is a cultural construct that in many cases has no basis in genetics, there are Arabs all across the middle east and africa but they're not all the decendants of the tribes of Arabia.
Can we please drop this subject now, this thread is for posting pictures up and that is all. If you want to argue about the apperance of various ancient poeples please by all means start a new thread but don't post in this one.
11-19-2009, 13:29
Subotan
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
I was being ironic in order to satirise what other people in the thread were saying e.g. That photos of people in the Thessalonica region were not able to be used as Greeks in EB II due to their slightly larger than average noses. I had pointed out earler in the thread that I didn't want to see stereotypes of "Greek" or "Arab" faces, and I resorted to the satire of scientific racism which was prevalent during the early 20th Century, when "scientists" attempted to class people's origins by physical features and skin colour, in order to expose how preposterous it was that people disputing that certain images be used on the basis of the shape of their nose. I was planning to post a follow up to that, explaining that I was being ironic, but it appears that I was too subtle for people to pick up on the fact that I was being satrical (I guess this means that Poe's Law applies to discrimation as well.). If you didn't get it, or found it in bad taste, then I'm sorry, but under no circumstances did I agree or wish to promote what was in my post; it was satire.
11-19-2009, 13:34
bobbin
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Ah ok, no harm done then.
Added more pics
11-19-2009, 18:39
Klearchos
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Hello
I'd like to post a piscture of mine, but lost all my kinks to the site that publishes them, I've even forgotten their name. Could someone please give me a link to their homepage, I recall their pages were white with orange "bars" (for lack of a better word ). the page always said image sharing something....
thanks in advance for th help!
11-19-2009, 21:17
The Celtic Viking
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1573/ebface.jpg
:beam: I know I'm young and Turkish, but I kinda want my face on EB2 and I've been growing my hair for some time: it looks quite unkempt and I have been practicing my "crazy face":clown: I thought it could maybe be used for some of the younger nomad troops, like less experienced saka horsearchers etc. (perhaps even german javelineers or sumthin like that?):sweatdrop:
(maybe it needs a bit of photoshopping etc, I dunno!)
11-20-2009, 00:02
bobbin
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Thank you Kelarchos & AncientFanTR, your pics have been added.
11-20-2009, 01:45
stratigos vasilios
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
Hello chaps,
I was talking to my great grandfather (who is Greek) awhile ago and he was telling me some interesting things on the Greek people.
Supposedly prior to the 1000CE (or more likely much earlier in my opinion) majority of Greece were people had blonde hair and blue eyes, i.e. Northern European decent.
Unfortunately I have no literature to support my case, but supposedly the word Hellene meant blonde in ancient Greek and Hellenes or Hellenic meant blonde people?
The migration of the Turyké tribe (apologies for spelling?) from modern day Turkmenistan/Kazakhstan to the Asia Minor region in the 900'sCE(?) added the dominant 'dark features' genes to the gene pool i.e. dark hair, heavy beards etc
He also said something along the lines of Alexander's army mostly had blonde hair? Basiacally the recessive genes.
Again im not certain on the accuracy of these statements, he is very old...and quite possibly delirious...:wall:
If this were true, how much would it impact on the face database?
Again I am deeply sorry for the lack of supportive literature, but hopefully some of the historians or general forum users can point me in the right direction. I hope this all makes sense.
SV
11-20-2009, 02:47
bobbin
Re: The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!
The question has been answered before (on this very page infact) multiple times in this thread have a look at the prevoius posts.
As for the meaning of the name Hellenes it's believed to mean "our people"
