The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!

[Reshey]

I am no expert in this, but have observed when traveling.

I lived in Thessaloniki for a year, many of the "Greeks" looks like Turks to me. (typical big Turkish nose and more dark skin tone).

I meet some Greeks from outlying mountain regions of Crete, and they look nothing like the modern Turkish Greek person (semi straight Greek nose, many different types of hair color, lighter skin tone).

Don't use a modern Greek Turks to represent classical Greek's?

[Subotan]

http://www.eurovisionfamily.tv/save-...00-450-fit.jpg - Greek
http://shakhabeet.files.wordpress.co...gyptian-10.jpg - Egyptian
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/phot...raf_khalil.jpg - Egyptian
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/...8de098dd43.jpg - Egyptian
http://shakhabeet.files.wordpress.co...gyptian-01.jpg - Egyptian
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/uploads/200...464rtrgtrg.jpg - Egyptian

[-Praetor-]

What's up with these two? Notice the thing on their foreheads? The first is from Azerbaijan, and the second Egyptian...

[Subotan]

Woah, that is weird

[Ibrahim]

Woah, that is weird

if you mean the mark on the forehead, then that's because they are Shia.

@Bobbin: the first guy was Kuwaiti (he's dead now), the second is the current ruler of the Emirates, adn the third? I dunno.

also, the syrian guy you had is also good for the arabs. yes-there are arabs from the region with brown hair. In fact, any semetic face will do, so long as its not from Ethiopia.

[bobbin]

HQ Faces. Slightly on the old side but could make good generals.

Very good face pictures, spot on what is needed. Shame about the subjects though, I put them up anyway as I'm sure they could be altered to make them look less recognisable (i know i wouldn't want to have Hitler or Ceausescu as my faction leaders face).

[SwissBarbar]

Very good face pictures, spot on what is needed. Shame about the subjects though, I put them up anyway as I'm sure they could be altered to make them look less recognisable (i know i wouldn't want to have Hitler or Ceausescu as my faction leaders face).

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[Tretii]

http://www.eurovisionfamily.tv/save-...00-450-fit.jpg - Greek
http://shakhabeet.files.wordpress.co...gyptian-10.jpg - Egyptian
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/phot...raf_khalil.jpg - Egyptian
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/...8de098dd43.jpg - Egyptian
http://shakhabeet.files.wordpress.co...gyptian-01.jpg - Egyptian
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/uploads/200...464rtrgtrg.jpg - Egyptian

Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.

[Ibrahim]

Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.

actually, no, they mostly aren't of arab decent. most Egyptians in the middle ages adopted the names of their overloards, who were a minority of the population at best.

there were simply never enough of them to change the general appearence of Egyptians*. even in Arabia, the character of the population is (mostly) different from ancient times, since the Arabs loved to import east africans slaves, whom they often had kids/ intermarried with. the only idea IIRC of how the ancient might have looked is with the Nomadic tribes and aristocracies of the peninsula-Arabs traditionally judged your eminency by how "pure" you are. its why many tribes today are inbred. look up Antara ibn shadded for an example of what happens when you aren't "pure".**

and yes, I included every possible spectrum of color I could find: from very light to Olive colored. I even made sure that the sample had African admixture, to reflect the slave trade's effects on the population. (PS: thanks to whoever found the picture of that yemeni man.)

and yes, Copts do resemble the above people-I had quite a few coptic friends in Kuwait.

*nor did they go about slaughtering them..
**no, I on't support these practices, but knowlge of them can help make EB accurate.

[AncientFanTR]

I am no expert in this, but have observed when traveling.

I lived in Thessaloniki for a year, many of the "Greeks" looks like Turks to me. (typical big Turkish nose and more dark skin tone).

I meet some Greeks from outlying mountain regions of Crete, and they look nothing like the modern Turkish Greek person (semi straight Greek nose, many different types of hair color, lighter skin tone).

Don't use a modern Greek Turks to represent classical Greek's?

I think you want to be careful not to include actual turkic faces. The guy you have for turkey doesn't actually look very turkic, but the azeris do, but in EB timeframe practically all turks were still in north eastern asian steppe. (also that guy you have for syria looks positively Afghan)
@Reshey, when i was in Izmir last summer, I thought that many people looked quite Greek! (lighter hair, different skin colour)
big nose? Practically all my family are rather turkic-looking and none of us have big noses! :p

[bobbin]

I think you want to be careful not to include actual turkic faces. The guy you have for turkey doesn't actually look very turkic, but the azeris do, but in EB timeframe practically all turks were still in north eastern asian steppe. (also that guy you have for syria looks positively Afghan)
@Reshey, when i was in Izmir last summer, I thought that many people looked quite Greek! (lighter hair, different skin colour)
big nose? Practically all my family are rather turkic-looking and none of us have big noses! :p

The Turkic migrations had little impact gentically speaking anywhere west of Uzbekistan as those regions (Iran, Iraq, Caucasus, Anatolia, Greece etc) had high populations that were able to adsorb the incoming migrants (who would have become quite mixed already).
A Genetic Landscape Reshaped by Recent Events: Y-Chromosomal Insights into Central Asia.
The upshot of this is that for most of the regions in the EB map people would look very similar to how they looked in 272bc.
The EB historians are the ones who will pick which faces go to which peoples, so rest assured they won't choose a face that doesn't match up historically.
Can people please stop asking this question now

@Iraklis: Do you have a photo that is more face on and more evenly lit? could also be a bit bigger too.

[Tretii]

I am sorry, let me get it straight - can we actually post OUR faces, not the faces we found on the net?

[bobbin]

I am sorry, let me get it straight - can we actually post OUR faces, not the faces we found on the net?

Yes your actively encouraged to!

Not to rain on your parade, but Egyptians (your pics here) of today are arabs. The Egyptians of antiquity were not arabs. I think they closest one you can get is to find some pictures of Copts, they are supposed to be descendants of native Egyptian people.

The upshot of this is that for most of the regions in the EB map people would look very similar to how they looked in 272bc.
The EB historians are the ones who will pick which faces go to which peoples, so rest assured they won't choose a face that doesn't match up historically.
Can people please stop asking this question now.

Also seem to have run into a problem with the hitting the max number of pictures allowed in one post, trying to sort this at the moment.


Edit: On some advice from Ludens I'm recommending people should post thier pictures as links from now on, I've changed the starting post accordingly as well

[Tretii]

Yes your actively encouraged to!

Thanks mate, I will send my god like face then

[Reverend Joe]

Edit: never mind, that was quite an old debate, apparently.

Also, please, please, PLEASE tell me that Biff Byford and Steve Harris will be appearing in the mod.