European prisons

So I have alot of friends that have been to prison. Whether for possession of narcotics, grand theft auto, one guy actually beat up some kid who spit in his face...and dad ended up being a prosecutor, etc etc. Im 18 years old(white), and very good at talking to the police but still scared of going to prison. It seems to me that its ridiculously easy to land up in there, 1 in 33 or so american adults are on probation or in a prison. And once you get out its construction jobs for the rest of your life. The odds are against me is what im trying to say.

So whats europe like? Google is providing next to no information. Are police more lenient over there (Iv heard the Scandinavian countries treat it as reform not punishment?) with giving out sentencing? Any info or links would be great.

Gotten yourself into trouble?

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Originally Posted by Mooks

So I have alot of friends that have been to prison.

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There's your problem.

Seriously, don't hang out with them and your chances of being jailed will dramatically decrease.

Oh, and never, ever, ever talk to the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

CR

Iv watched that video before. Nice advice about treating convicts like 2nd class citizens. Just because youve been doesnt mean your not a person. Theyre just as good as you are, cant believe im telling crazy rabbit this of all people.

And no fragony, my record is spotless. I just dont want to end up in prison. My friend terrys advice was if I ever go to virginia (where I live) penitentiary "Just go in there and say white power to the skinheads. Might have to get a swastika on your left shoulder. Theyre protect you, if you dont your probaly get raped by the :daisy: in there...the skinheads might rape you too though". Im not keen on having that experiance.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

So I have alot of friends that have been to prison. Whether for possession of narcotics, grand theft auto, one guy actually beat up some kid who spit in his face...and dad ended up being a prosecutor, etc etc. Im 18 years old(white), and very good at talking to the police but still scared of going to prison. It seems to me that its ridiculously easy to land up in there, 1 in 33 or so american adults are on probation or in a prison. And once you get out its construction jobs for the rest of your life. The odds are against me is what im trying to say.

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Well, clearly the odds aren't 1 in 33 for you...and you aren't going to jail for grand theft yeah? If you really want to know your odds you would have to consider your demographics and the crimes you are at risk for.

I don't think everyone who goes to prison ends up working construction either...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Well, clearly the odds aren't 1 in 33 for you...and you aren't going to jail for grand theft yeah? If you really want to know your odds you would have to consider your demographics and the crimes you are at risk for.

I don't think everyone who goes to prison ends up working construction either...

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The construction industry in USA has basically become a haven for felons.

But I get what you saying, I just think if I move away from USA ill have a very very reduced chance of landing in prison. The court system wants me in prison, theres no doubt about that.

I've seen documentaries on US and UK prisons, and UK prisons seem much nicer. They're both messed up in their own way though. In the US it all seems to be about gang activity and just turns some petty offender into a hardcore criminal, whereas in the UK prison looks more like a slightly shoddy holiday resort.

I just don't understand the USA here. What sane country/society can in good conscience imprison 1 in 33 persons during their lifetime and think this is somehow the natural state of things?

Don't get into a french prison. You'll never leave it sane or alive.

Maybe you need some new friends.

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

I just don't understand the USA here. What sane country/society can in good conscience imprison 1 in 33 persons during their lifetime and think this is somehow the natural state of things?

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I don't know about sanity, but a country that declares war on human vices can do it.

Ajax

I do not understand the attitude of inevitability. The fact that 1 in 33 people have been imprisoned does not equate to a 1 in 33 chance that you will go to prison, as if the government were simply drawing names out of a hat. Although false imprisonment does occur, your chances of being imprisoned are almost completely dictated by your own actions. Do not engage in criminal activity, and do not socialize with people who do. Easy enough.

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I just don't understand the USA here. What sane country/society can in good conscience imprison 1 in 33 persons during their lifetime and think this is somehow the natural state of things?

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Who says it is unnatural? I would speculate far more than one in every thirty three people commit criminal acts in their lifetime.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

Who says it is unnatural? I would speculate far more than one in every thirty three people commit criminal acts in their lifetime.

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We are in agreement here.

If you want to get really technical about law breaking you could say nigh on everyone breaks the law.

My advice? Don't get caught.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Don't get into a french prison. You'll never leave it sane or alive.

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So I've heard, France is a pretty harsh country overall.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

Iv watched that video before. Nice advice about treating convicts like 2nd class citizens. Just because youve been doesnt mean your not a person. Theyre just as good as you are, cant believe im telling crazy rabbit this of all people.

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I never said they weren't people.

But the thing is, as a group those friends have a habit of breaking the law. If you hang out with them, you will be more likely to engage in those criminal acts, I believe.

Though I don't see why you think the court system wants you in prison. I think it's much worse if the cops in your area want you in prison.

If your record is spotless you shouldn't have to worry about that though. Avoiding jail is simple; don't deal drugs or engage in criminal activity.

I think you're worrying about this too much.

CR

you should try go to some third world country, if you could pay the "retribution bill", when you do something very2 naughty, unless it involve killing, you won't be sent to the prisons.

I hear Norwegian prisons are very nice, been three years in a german prison myself and I cannot recommend it*.

It's no wonder that french prisons are really bad, I hear the French are big fans of Texas...

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*Nah, just kidding, only been to a church that was in a former prison building. :sweatdrop:

just stumbled upon this and now understood, why americans fear prisons afterall :grin:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._2007_2008.PNG

oh, such high rates of prisoners....

Wow Cute Wolf that map is insane. :dizzy2:

Apparently the leader of the free world is only challenged in its prison population by Rwanda...

yupz, it looks like that you are more prone to going to jail when lived in USA... anybody wants to emigrate in my place? :clown: we have less jail, much less than the USA!!!

Hey, Mexico has less people in jail too. I bet you'd be safe there.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

Hey, Mexico has less people in jail too. I bet you'd be safe there.:sweatdrop:

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Somalia and Afghanistan don't seem to have anyone incarcerated. Same with Greenland....

Normally I would say, "Man, I'm glad I'm not in the USA right now, pretty crappy place to live." Unfortunately, Canada's prison population isn't exactly ethnically distributed in my favour.

God, I hate cops. Go ahead, pull me over, then. Check out my vehicle if you want. I'm an indian, right? There must be cheap booze in there. Breathalizer test? For sure. :daisy:.

My friend and I were stopped at the park after dark. Sure, thats illegal to be there after dark. But when the cop got to talking to us all it was about was "You sure you dont have any marijuana in your pockets? If I find it later you will be in much more trouble then if you show it to me now". Cops dont care about justice, or "protect and serve". They want me to break the law and go prison, theyd rather me be in there then out here in the free world.

Im actually seriosly considering moving to canada. I like being cold. My ultimate goal though is to live in Sweden, Iv heard its nice there. Ill father lots of little blond illegitimate babies too, I can guarantee that.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

My friend and I were stopped at the park after dark. Sure, thats illegal to be there after dark. But when the cop got to talking to us all it was about was "You sure you dont have any marijuana in your pockets? If I find it later you will be in much more trouble then if you show it to me now". Cops dont care about justice, or "protect and serve". They want me to break the law and go prison, theyd rather me be in there then out here in the free world.

Im actually seriosly considering moving to canada. I like being cold. My ultimate goal though is to live in Sweden, Iv heard its nice there. Ill father lots of little blond illegitimate babies too, I can guarantee that.

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You were breaking the law and it's the cops that want you in prison?

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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

You were breaking the law and it's the cops that want you in prison?

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He said we shouldnt be at the park after dark and that was the end of it. 90% of the conversation was focused on "What are you hiding from me? I know you smoke weed"

Why is it illegal to be in a park after dark and what were you doing there if you weren't smoking weed?
And why didn't he arrest you for illegally migrating into the park after dark?

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Originally Posted by Mooks

So whats europe like? Google is providing next to no information. Are police more lenient over there (Iv heard the Scandinavian countries treat it as reform not punishment?) with giving out sentencing? Any info or links would be great.

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The largest reason for the high US prison population is the sentencing time and lower tendency to give fines. So yes the police can be considered to be more lenient in general. And one of the main pillars of crime fighting is the focus on reform here in Sweden.

Appearently the US had a normal prison population number until about 1975.

A cell from a high security prison, the article is actually unrelated to the cellhttp://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article6703550.ab. The article is about a guy complaining that he's too fat to sit his 1 month prison time for drunken driving btw.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

Im actually seriosly considering moving to canada. I like being cold. My ultimate goal though is to live in Sweden, Iv heard its nice there. Ill father lots of little blond illegitimate babies too, I can guarantee that.

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I'm curious, how many blondes are it in the area? Since you'll need to be one to get a decent shot on getting blond babies (or at least blond one blond ancestor for yourself).

Funny that you're considering engaging in a behavior that spreads crime in this thread... That is unless your doing it with the same girl, then it's normal. Birth out of wedlock haven't been eyebrow rising since the seventies.

british prisons seem like a doddle in comparison to the more 'hardcore' US experience.

p.s. lol at siggy'ing me, forgot i had said that. :balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Somalia and Afghanistan don't seem to have anyone incarcerated. Same with Greenland....

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They must be enlightened like Western Europe.

Oh, we lock up loads of people. Just doesn't really do a lot as oddly mixing up loads of petty criminals with each other is a great way to disseminate certain skills and compare techniques.

Shorter, nastier conditions would act as a greater deterrent for re-offenders, and for most mundane crimes unpleasant but required community orders are preferable.

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Move to France instead!!


Prison inmate Nicolas Cocaign killed his cellmate, cracked his ribs, ripped open his chest with his bare hands, then ate his heart raw.

Or so he hoped, he mistakenly started eating his left lung first.


https://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7939/984552.jpg



This after last week the man who allegedly murdered a lesbian couple, hung himself in his cell. No surprise what with the highest prison suicide rate in Europe. Dreadful.
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actua...en-prison.html

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Move to France instead!!


Prison inmate Nicolas Cocaign killed his cellmate, cracked his ribs, ripped open his chest with his bare hands, then ate his heart raw.

Or so he hoped, he mistakenly started eating his left lung first.


https://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7939/984552.jpg



This after last week the man who allegedly murdered a lesbian couple, hung himself in his cell. No surprise what with the highest prison suicide rate in Europe. Dreadful.
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actua...en-prison.html

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I know we've had some prison riots over bad food here in the USA, but this takes the issue to a whole new level....

Wouldn't wanna live in France. Or anywhere in Europe, for that matter.

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European Prisons

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It's quite nice here actually, not too hot this time of year either. I'm sure you'd love it.

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Originally Posted by Louis

Prison inmate Nicolas Cocaign killed his cellmate, cracked his ribs, ripped open his chest with his bare hands, then ate his heart raw.

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He must have been on something. Some kind of drug.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

He must have been on something. Some kind of drug.

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He probably told him "If you do x, I'll eat your heart out!" and he was a man of his words...

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Man prefers raw human lung over "exquise French cuisine".

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Always knew French food was overrated :mellow:

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Originally Posted by Andres

Always knew French food was overrated :mellow:

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I might prefer eating raw human lung over watching the French football team...


Why, I think I'd rather have my lung eaten than watching ninety minutes of that circus...

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I might prefer eating raw human lung over watching the French football team...


Why, I think I'd rather have my lung eaten than watching ninety minutes of that circus...

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Ha!

And again, Belgium did it better than France!

The fearsome Red Devils of the Divine Belgium national soccer team at least...

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had the decency not to qualify themselves to save us all the embarassement. :shame:

On topic: Belgiums' prisons are full, so now we have to rent cells from our Dutch neighbours (and we're probably being ripped off by them)...

clicky

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Originally Posted by Andres

And again, Belgium did it better

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My fingers are simply aaaching to type any of the thousand pesky replies running through my mind, but I for one am going to follow the cue of my Walloon brethren, and shall smile and hug my Flemish friends! :beam:


It's been one provocation too many. This time, the stern and disciplined Flemish overlords mean business, the flow of subsidies might stop for real actual confederacy is looming.
:help:


So I'll bow before the magnificence of Belgium, will show nothing but a smiling face as I agree to the reasonability of each and any proposal of compromise, and shall praise the unity and friendhip of Belgium's peoples! L'union fait la force! :beam: :belgium: :beam:


:beam:

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

He must have been on something. Some kind of drug.

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People always need some sort of narrative to distance themselves from persons who do such things as we like to think of courselves as unable of undertaking such an activity.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

My fingers are simply aaaching to type any of the thousand pesky replies running through my mind, but I for one am going to follow the cue of my Walloon brethren, and shall smile and hug my Flemish friends! :beam:


It's been one provocation too many. This time, the stern and disciplined Flemish overlords mean business, the flow of subsidies might stop for real actual confederacy is looming.
:help:


So I'll bow before the magnificence of Belgium, will show nothing but a smiling face as I agree to the reasonability of each and any proposal of compromise, and shall praise the unity and friendhip of Belgium's peoples! L'union fait la force! :beam: :belgium: :beam:


:beam:

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And this is why Loius should be Emperor.

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He knows it's easier to stab someone in the back when you're embracing them. :grin:

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Originally Posted by rory

People always need some sort of narrative to distance themselves from persons who do such things as we like to think of courselves as unable of undertaking such an activity.

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Originally Posted by Louis

Prison inmate Nicolas Cocaign killed his cellmate, cracked his ribs, ripped open his chest with his bare hands, then ate his heart raw.

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It's just a pun.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

It's just a pun.

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OOOOOH!! Lol. I was gonna post, "Thanks for stating the obvious," but this was good.