The Country in Europe With The Best Food an Culture Is Surley

Italy

How can one disagree?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Italy

How can one disagree?

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It would be easy to argue but a large waste of time. I found Holland to be spectacular but that was pre euro, who knows what the hell its like now.

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Originally Posted by Odin

It would be easy to argue but a large waste of time. I found Holland to be spectacular but that was pre euro, who knows what the hell its like now.

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Hell I should think. That's certainly the impression our resident dutchman Fragony paints. No wait, it was worse than hell last time.

England. I love roast beef and their slang.

I would say France, but its a tough call.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Italy

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No more fries for you, traitor!

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

I would say France, but its a tough call.

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Que? What is the France?

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

England. I love roast beef and their slang.

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and just imagine how much better it could be if they used some ******* seasoning!!!
most un-impressive country as it comes to food I have ever visited...everything tasted like nothing.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Que? What is the France?

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It is the Cosmopolitan culture and its cuisine.You take some Celtic, German and Latin. Add bit of North African, Spanish,Norse and dont forget the touch of Basque to the mix and there you go. ;)

Woe betide me! There is only one place I fear, and Strike has found it! :bigcry:


Nevertheless, I must pick up the gauntlet. I shall open with just a small village:



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The town of Lacoste.
Some of the buildings date back to the ninth century. The building style has changed little since. The bridge over the river predates Christ. The site has been inhabited since paleolithic times (35000 years!), although the current settlement is mesolithic in style, dating from the middle ages...the middle stone ages that is, 9000 years old.

Lacoste has always been special, different. Protestant amidst Catholics. Communist in a conservative region. Rebellious. Lascivious too, the most famous resident of that eleventh century castle on top of the hill was...Marquis de Sade. The birthplace of modern western sexual deviancy. The castle now belongs to fashion designer Pierre Cardin.
Every summer, an opéra festival is held in the city's ancient quarry, from whose stone the timeless city is build. Exquisite wine is served, made from the sun-baked grapes one can see in the bottom of the picture.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Any further provocations will be met with ruthless pictures showcasing the superiority of French life and culture. :furious3:
You will learn what it means to have been the centre of Western civilisation for fifteen centuries, ten more than the short-lived Romans.

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Originally Posted by Andres

No more fries for you, traitor!

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Fries? French fries?

A French invention, which some Belgian nationalists try to claim is theirs. :no:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Fries? French fries?

A French invention, which some Belgian nationalists try to claim is theirs. :no:

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I seem to remember that back in 2004 when the whole foolish subject of "Freedom Fries" arose, you and your countrymen wanted no parts of claiming this product. Apparently somebody has taken Msr. Sarkozy's appeal to "reclaim French culture, real or imagined around the globe" to heart. :wink:

As for the O.P. I would like to offer a vote for Spain. Their cuisine & cultural contributions, while fantastic, are admittedly close on the heels of France and Italy. However, the 3rd dimension of higher living, the beauty of their beauties... Penelope Cruz alone carries the day for Espana.

lol, I will agree that Italy has the best food in Europe (followed closely by Greece), but as far as culture goes...sorry. :P

I would say Belgium but I would hate all you savages overrunning this paragon of culture and cuisine.

But serious, a lot of European countries/regions have there own rich identity which you can love for certain reasons. (can't speak much for other countries).

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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

lol, I will agree that Italy has the best food in Europe (followed closely by Greece), but as far as culture goes...sorry. :P

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Oh. I thought you were a fan of fast food and freedom fries.

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The castle now belongs to fashion designer Pierre Cardin.

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Ye mean the fella who makes those rubbish shirts no self respecting fashionista would wear at all at all

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

I would say France, but its a tough call.

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Sorry, they're on strike.

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Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

Sorry, they're on strike.

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Not all of them. Just the ones with jobs.

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For those who feel the need to make French jokes - I shall smite you with pictures so stunning you will beg for mercy before the end of this thread. This earth has more beauty than your eyes can bear...more than your heart dares to dream about...

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Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

Ye mean the fella who makes those rubbish shirts no self respecting fashionista would wear at all

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No, not Lacoste, the brand founded by the French tennis legend. Pierre Cardin, the great 1960s/70s designer.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I seem to remember that back in 2004 when the whole foolish subject of "Freedom Fries" arose, you and your countrymen wanted no parts of claiming this product. Apparently somebody has taken Msr. Sarkozy's appeal to "reclaim French culture, real or imagined around the globe" to heart. :wink:

As for the O.P. I would like to offer a vote for Spain. Their cuisine & cultural contributions, while fantastic, are admittedly close on the heels of France and Italy. However, the 3rd dimension of higher living, the beauty of their beauties... Penelope Cruz alone carries the day for Espana.

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Let's leave it at the knowledge that Belgium is but a renegade province of French civilisation.


Spain - good one! Spain is hot on the heels of both France and Italy. Indeed, Spain's awakening gives it a certain hip edge over the two established giants.
My hot tip though is Portugal, to me the finest part of Iberia.



Speaking of Spain, did you know that France's Southwest is quite Iberian in culture? That is the big difference with Italy. Italy is just Mediterranean, with a tiny bit Alpine. France, by contrast, is the whole of Europe in one country. Southern and Northern. Atlantic and Mediterranean.
Béarn, near Lescun, in France's southwest, of which Spain's lush northwest is an extention. Complete with donkeys like the ones Don Quichotte would've ridden:

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France's southeast south then, of which Spain's northeast is an extention. The town of Collioure, a French Catalan speaking town, the local chateau is seventh century visigothic:


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Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

I would say Belgium but I would hate all you savages overrunning this paragon of culture and cuisine.

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Belgium is fantastic! A fabulous extention of Northern French civilisation.


See this is why France is superior to Italy. We have got everything that the south offers, all of the food, the dolce vita, the sunshine. The products that grow in the mediterranean lands, with its harsh topsoils and unlimited sunshine. But unlike Italy, we also have the muddy clay of the north, its grey skies. The butter and the meat of Picardie in the north, the orchards of Normandy in the northwest, the Atlantic seafoods of Brittany.



They don't have this in Italy :knight:


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And I was already wondering what kind of country "Surley" is....

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

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For those who feel the need to make French jokes

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*insert obligatory French joke here*

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you will beg for mercy ask for more before the end of this thread. This earth has more beauty than your eyes can bear...more than your heart dares to dream about...

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Bring it on! :yes:

Isn't that last photo Biltmore House in Asheville, NC Louis? No fair stealing our architecture to fill your portfolio. :wink:

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No, not Lacoste, the brand founded by the French tennis legend. Pierre Cardin, the great 1960s/70s designer.

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No I was referring to Pierre Cardin which is pretty average quality the cuffs and sleves fray very quick and the double cuff variety split after maybe a week . Time spent working during college in Hotels cured me of his apparel very quick.

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France is gonna have to work very hard to beat the kind of stuff I saw in Positano or Capri these are not my photos I lost my photos from there.
I went last year to wedding there but I couldn't fault the scenery except it maybe was bit pricey and that is something coming from an Irishman.

Think that is the Blue Grotto in Capri

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Positano by day

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Positano by night

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I have been to Italy and France, Italy was prettier and the food was better. I visited Paris after Rome and, aside from the smell from the river, my most enduring impression was "bling".

Roman waiters are also much nicer than Parisian ones and it seems like EVERYONE in Paris smokes.

To say nothing of the lecherous old man who wanted to draw my sister.

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Oh. I thought you were a fan of fast food and freedom fries.

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lol, I am a fan of the Hardees menu, but that does not mean that I cannot appreciate other foods as well. If I had to compare the greatest foods in the world, I think that the list would be something like this:
Italian
{Greek
Tie
{Hardees menu
Indian
Korean

"VUK! How can you put American fast food on the same level with the high class cuisines of those other countries?!"
That is simple. If you are talking about how healthy a food is, American fast food would be at the bottom of all that I listed. I am, however talking about taste alone. It is hard to argue that fancy European cuisine tastes better than an Original Hardees Thickburger.

French : Ortolan Bunting and Escargot.... looks tasty

Belgium has the best food.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Belgium has the best food.

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Belgium has the best of a small variety of food. What they do, they do well. The true wealth of Belgium is beer.

eh how did this happen doublepost. If we are talking about cuisine Belgium pwns all. Best food in general, the Netherlands we have all the cuisines in the world. In my street alone I got two Italians, 1 greek, 2 tapas restaurants, one French, one Spanish, one Arab, and a few that are a bit of everything.

Greek food! :dizzy2:

It's ok but not what you would call earth shattering. Also they can't butcher for toffee.

What's the French for sausage, egg, chips and beans? :laugh4:

Man I am culturally ignorant, haven't been further than round Belfast to the west or Falkirk to the east for god knows how long now...

polish food is good hearty eating, provided you're not a veggie, or have pretensions of being a gastronome.

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

What's the French for sausage, egg, chips and beans?

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Saucise, oeuf, frites et haricots.

A personal favourite, the Cup o'beans (Tasse d'haricots):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7EPVQXUM8

Whey aye a cup 'o beans, replete with sausage. :laugh4:

Gotta love Partridge.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

polish food is good hearty eating, provided you're not a veggie, or have pretensions of being a gastronome.

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Did you ever come across any smalec me brother had some in Krakow in one of those Chlopskie Jadlo places I was nearly sickened

Smalec (Lard spread)

yes, its the polish equivalent of pork scratchings.

the really good beer-cellars in the centre of Wroclaw serve it on rye-bread to be eaten as a bar-snack with beer.

lard with small chunks of bacon, tastes really good with dark ale surprisingly.

Wry bread? :inquisitive:

Is that a loaf with a dry sense of humour?

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Wry bread? :inquisitive:

Is that a loaf with a dry sense of humour?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

Thank you folks, you've been great! I'll be here all week, try the veal and don't forget to tip your waitress!

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Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

Thank you folks, you've been great! I'll be here all week, try the veal and don't forget to tip your waitress!

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I don't get it, what is so funny about the video?

Portugal, Spain or Italy.

and don´t call it Shirley! :P

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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again

I don't get it, what is so funny about the video?

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God you must be a young buckeen it's a rimshot from a comedy club.

Copy pasted from Wikipedia

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The term is often used to refer to the sting played by the drummer in cabaret shows to accentuate the punchline of a joke. As a result, a particularly obvious laugh line is called a rimshot.

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Portugal, Spain or Italy.

and don´t call it Shirley! :P

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What's a traditional dish, Spain has paella, Itally pasta you get it. Just realised if have never been in a Portugese restaurant, what are the local wonders .

(love food threads)

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Wry bread? :inquisitive:

Is that a loaf with a dry sense of humour?

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yes. :p

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Portugal, Spain or Italy.

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Why, indeed they all have got gastronomy and culture almost equal to French standards.

Speaking of other Latin countries, pray tell: how are your High Speed Trains, spaceships, atomic energy, nuclear powered subs?


THATS RIGHT YOU DONT HAVE ANY OF THOSE

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Why, indeed they all have got gastronomy and culture almost equal to French standards.

Speaking of other Latin countries, pray tell: how are your High Speed Trains, spaceships, atomic energy, nuclear powered subs?


THATS RIGHT YOU DONT HAVE ANY OF THOSE

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Yo dawg keep dem {female dogs} in line awright Louis

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Why, indeed they all have got gastronomy and culture almost equal to French standards.

Speaking of other Latin countries, pray tell: how are your High Speed Trains, spaceships, atomic energy, nuclear powered subs?


THATS RIGHT YOU DONT HAVE ANY OF THOSE

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Pictures or it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

What's a traditional dish, Spain has paella, Itally pasta you get it. Just realised if have never been in a Portugese restaurant, what are the local wonders .

(love food threads)

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Portugal has several emblematic dishes...let's see.

-Soup:
- you have 'Caldo Verde' - Literally 'green broth', a Kale and potato based soup that is normally served with a few slices of chourizo sausage cut into the soup just before serving...very tasty

-Fish:
Portuguese cuisine includes a lot of fresh fish dishes, but the most emblematic fish consumed in Portugal is Bacalhau, Bacalhau is what the Portuguese call Cod, in Portugal it is always (99.999% of the time) consumed as in the salted form, and never in the fresh fish version (in fact I am sure most portuguese would not be able to recognize the fish in it's natural state)
The salting of the fish was introduced first by necessity, due to the lack of refrigeration on boats and in land, and became tradition, some people claim there are 365 different recipies in Portuguese cooking for Bacalhau, others claim there are more than a thousand, any way, there are a lot of them. Bacalhau (in one of it's many preparations) is normaly the traditional dish for the Christmas Eve dinner in Portugal.

-Meat:
Some traditional dishes in Portugal include:
-'Leitão Assado' - Roasted Suckling pig
-'Feijoada' - a dish made with beans, various meats and sausages and legumes (there is a portuguese and a brazilian version)
-'Cozido a Portuguesa' - Stew Portuguese style.
- 'Dobrada or Tripas a moda do Porto' - Called 'Dobrada' ('Folded') in most of the country or 'Tripas a moda do Porto' (Tripes Porto Style) in the region around Porto city is a dish made with beef stomach with is stewed together with white beans and vegetables, the recipe differs a bit in the Porto version and is considered the city's signature dish.
- 'Carne de Porco a alentejana' - Pig Meat Alentejo Style - Pig meat is first marinated and then fried along with clams, it is served with cubed french fries or boiled potatoes.

-there are also many kinds of sausages of different types, that are themselfs very good but are normally incorporated in some of the dishes I detailed above.
and interesting one is called Alheira and oral history gives it's source as an influence of the jewish influence in Portugal, this one is many times served as a traditional "bar food", where it is served with french fries and a fried egg.

-Then there are many famous wines and cheesee, which I won´t go into since I don´t drink alcohol and am not a big cheese fan.

when it comes to deserts there is a vast history of recipes coming from religious monestaries during the medieval era...and for example the deserts table at someting like a christmas or new year's eve dinner is something to behold.
I would point out the 'Pastel de Nata' just to give an example....good everywhere but especially good in a particular bakery here in Lisbon that has a secret recipe that dates back to 1820 or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Why, indeed they all have got gastronomy and culture almost equal to French standards.

Speaking of other Latin countries, pray tell: how are your High Speed Trains, spaceships, atomic energy, nuclear powered subs?


THATS RIGHT YOU DONT HAVE ANY OF THOSE

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grandma...what do you have all those things for?

the quicker to surrender to the german's my child!

A: What's the most common French phrase?
B: I don't know...
A: C'mon, try
B: I give up...
A: That's it!

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Originally Posted by Sarmatian

A: What's the most common French phrase?
B: I don't know...
A: C'mon, try
B: I give up...
A: That's it!

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Brilliant

Just another random city then. Maybe I'll start with 'A' and then work my way down alphabetically.

The town of Albi. Stunningly located along the river Tarn, Albi has been permanantly inhabited for five thousand years. The entire city is build of fabulous red brick, as is customary in the region: Toulouse in pink, Montauban in soft red.
The region is unruly, fiercely independent, especially concerning religion. Neither pope nor king could establish their rule, until both combined forces during the 'Albigensian' Crusade in the 13th century.

The most famous resident must be Toulouse-Lautrec, the Montmartre Midget who immortalised the lascivousness and gaiety of 19th century Paris.


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Originally Posted by Ronin

grandma...what do you have all those things for?

the quicker to surrender to the german's my child!

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Riiight, because Portulol would've put up a much more fierce defense against the Germans, hehe

Anyway, as a descendant of said country I was very disappointed by Portugal's food during my visit last year. Anytime I asked a local where to eat nice local fare they'd usually respond scratching their heads, either wondering why I'd bother to ask or not even knowing what to recommend. The supposedly spicey piri-piri grilled chicken was bland and dry everytime. Thankfully the bacalau was excellent and the grilled sardines were fabulous (had no idea those things could even be served fresh, let alone made into something awesome.) But neither Portugal or Spain held a candle to a trip to the Amalfi coast in Italy. I never ever in Italy had to ask where to find good food. There were no hamburgeuseria's in Italy I saw.

Also, would the entire Iberian peninsula go into shock if they were introduced to a jalepeno? Anytime there I asked for picante sauce or chili they'd look stunned and bring out some tabasco and maybe warn me to use it sparingly.

The closest thing to authentic French fare I've had would be creole and cajun food in New Orleans (which imho, the only seafood I've had better than in the Costa Del Sol) but I guess that would be about as French as a Peruvian made Lacoste polo.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Riiight, because Portulol would've put up a much more fierce defense against the Germans, hehe

Anyway, as a descendant of said country I was very disappointed by Portugal's food during my visit last year. Anytime I asked a local where to eat nice local fare they'd usually respond scratching their heads, either wondering why I'd bother to ask or not even knowing what to recommend. The supposedly spicey piri-piri grilled chicken was bland and dry everytime. Thankfully the bacalau was excellent and the grilled sardines were fabulous (had no idea those things could even be served fresh, let alone made into something awesome.) But neither Portugal or Spain held a candle to a trip to the Amalfi coast in Italy. I never ever in Italy had to ask where to find good food. There were no hamburgeuseria's in Italy I saw.

Also, would the entire Iberian peninsula go into shock if they were introduced to a jalepeno? Anytime there I asked for picante sauce or chili they'd look stunned and bring out some tabasco and maybe warn me to use it sparingly.

The closest thing to authentic French fare I've had would be creole and cajun food in New Orleans (which imho, the only seafood I've had better than in the Costa Del Sol) but I guess that would be about as French as a Peruvian made Lacoste polo.

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It could be that you have eaten lot from French cuisine without even knowing it. Many things that are served as default in better restaurants are of French cuisine. Sauces like Bordelaise sauce, which basically is a classic red wine brown sauce, Bechamel sauce and Tartar sauce, just to mention few all are part of French cuisine. Basic meat dishes like for example Steak au poivre, which is the pepper stake, are served as default these days in better restaurants. Or any random steak house, maybe without Dijon mustard and Cognac on the sauce, but still served.The Western cuisine is so heavily influenced by French cuisine that if you visit a non ethnic high class restaurant these days. Half or more what is served is from French cuisine or atleast parts of it are.

Ofcourse it should be noted that the whole French cuisine has been a giant melting pot taking dishes and influnces all around France and any neighbours to include in to their cuisine. Like for example things like Mayonnese and Hollandaise sauce, former originally Iberian and latter from Netherlands, but now already for centuries part of French cuisine. What makes the French cuisine superior is indeed the variety of influences from all directions. Variety unmatched by any other European cuisine.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Riiight, because Portulol would've put up a much more fierce defense against the Germans, hehe

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Portugal did put up a great defense against the germans...look it up....I call it "playing both sides against the middle". :P

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Anyway, as a descendant of said country I was very disappointed by Portugal's food during my visit last year. Anytime I asked a local where to eat nice local fare they'd usually respond scratching their heads, either wondering why I'd bother to ask or not even knowing what to recommend. The supposedly spicey piri-piri grilled chicken was bland and dry everytime. Thankfully the bacalau was excellent and the grilled sardines were fabulous (had no idea those things could even be served fresh, let alone made into something awesome.) But neither Portugal or Spain held a candle to a trip to the Amalfi coast in Italy. I never ever in Italy had to ask where to find good food. There were no hamburgeuseria's in Italy I saw.

Also, would the entire Iberian peninsula go into shock if they were introduced to a jalepeno? Anytime there I asked for picante sauce or chili they'd look stunned and bring out some tabasco and maybe warn me to use it sparingly.

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Chicken piri-piri is very good in the Algarve, specially in a very particular city, it can be found everywhere else on the country but it is more or less an imitation.
And anyway, I would in no way describe grilled chicken piri-piri as a staple of traditional portuguese cuisine........common place? sure, but not really one of the classics.
As to the question about the lack of restaurant recomendation, I would suggest that the reason for this is that portuguese food is most of all, home style, unnassuming, low cost confort food, maybe the people you asked just assumed you wanted to go somewhere fancy and had no idea what to point out. the best places to eat in Lisbon for example, and there are a lot of them, are not the kind of places that would show up on the michelan guide for example.

as for the hot sauce, piri-piri IS a chili pepper....and it's the one that is tradicionally used around here.

what about spain, amazing food amazing culture! or portugal. Berlin is definitly the best city, but i would agree if u would not chose german culture or food XD

always enjoyed the local food on my holiday to Porto.

Chaud Zem Louis ! All of France is behind you.



Please don't fart.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Anyway, as a descendant of said country I was very disappointed by Portugal's food during my visit last year. Anytime I asked a local where to eat nice local fare they'd usually respond scratching their heads

The closest thing to authentic French fare I've had would be creole and cajun food in New Orleans (which imho, the only seafood I've had better than in the Costa Del Sol) but I guess that would be about as French as a Peruvian made Lacoste polo.

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I've always eaten and drunk well in Portugal. Then again, I've always stayed with friends and relatives who drive me around.


Cajun is sold as 'American' cuisine in France, exotic foreign food. :beam:

Cajun is not French, it is the product of the New World. America is more than just the sum of its peoples, more than what each group brought with it. All the immigrant groups were all shaped by America, were turned into something new and distinct, as well as each new group themselves redefined America.
Especially the older immigrant waves have had time (and cultural isolation) to develop a distinct American culture. Cajun is French no more than cheeseburgers are British.

Well yea but Cajun food is awesome and they serve big portions.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Well yea but Cajun food is awesome and they serve big portions.

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Amen to that.

west african and asian food rules (particularly indian, thai, indonesian, chinese and japanese, and vietnamese and oh well... afghan... all asian food!!!)

Nothing will ever beat bison, jerkey, rabbit soup, smoked salmon, wild rice, and bannock with lard/saskatoon berry jam. The rest of you can simply jealously live your lives eyeing up my superior culture and cuisine. Hahahahahahaaa, no wonder why you people are always abandoning your homelands and migrating here in droves. :laugh4:

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Impressive. I'll just have to make do with an Indian curry today, a Chinese stir fry tomorrow, Italian pasta for Monday, Yorkshire pudding and black peas on Tuesday, Lancashire hotpot for Wednesday and Fish and chips for Thursday.

I might have a go at that new Japanese noodle bar the opened in the market for Fridays lunch.

Then again I might just have a jam butty. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Nothing will ever beat bison, jerkey, rabbit soup, smoked salmon, wild rice, and bannock with lard/saskatoon berry jam. The rest of you can simply jealously live your lives eyeing up my superior culture and cuisine. Hahahahahahaaa, no wonder why you people are always abandoning your homelands and migrating here in droves. :laugh4:

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Would love try NA food, one cuisine that will probably never make it to Europe. What does mommy cook for you when you've been a good boy?

Bannock+lard/jam and wild rice are regulars. The rest are a bit more rare, but certainly not unusual... My aunties taught me how to make bannock a couple years back, but only baked. I can't make fried bannock yet, so mommy still has her uses. :smile: