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The Lords have started work on a Napoleonic mod
You can download 7 unit animations
to try out here
It's 4.7megs.
Let me know what you think of the units
and if you would like to help, that would be nice.
Thank you
regards,
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
What's wrong has the cat got your tounge? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
I got a better response to the Buffy thread
and that was a joke http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
BTW if you want to cantact us about this by email
please do so at
TheLords@thelordz.co.uk
You don't have to be a patron
of the ORG to contact us neither.
I am well aware that pleanty of non members
view these boards and your input is welcome too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
Regards
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
Im too lazy to actually try them out, why dont you post some screens of battle? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif
Because in that case you'd probably also be too lazy to look at the screen shots. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
LK,
What exactly are you planning on in terms of how far your going with this mod. What do you need help with -
1) creating more units
2) prod11/build13/projstats
3) images/icons/buildings (tech tree stuff)
4) loc/eng file changes
5) startpos file changes
6) a new campaign map
7) researching the Nap era
There may be a relatively easy way to do 1) above - creating new units (with different colours for, say, trousers, stripes, epaulettes, plumes etc ) based on your original 7 bifs (same ideas I had with the Lords Romans).
Enough people understand enough of the 3 files in 2) - but it still means a lot of changes to prod11 (in fact almost a complete rewrite).
Major changes to 3) will be required for a Nap mod 'cos it means changing almost everything in MTW so you'll need a few people working on this alone. Still, these changes can be ongoing over time as per Patrician.
If you planning major changes as per 4), 5) and 6) then let me know. A lot of this should be relatively straightforward now.
7) should be straightforward enough. Just a case of changing the prod files really to present more firepower and less melee differences.
Let me know what your planning and I'll see if I can assist in some of the parts - other parts I'll be steering well clear of http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
Welly
Let me see what did you leave out ?Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Nothing
Good
Making the new units we can do at at a reasonable pace.
The icons and such are not an issue really.
That does not mean others are not welcome.
We don't want to monopolise we just want to make it work.
At present it's an open shop open ended project.
How far do we want to go?
A campaign from 1700 to 18 something
With the major powers at the time
France Britian_Hanover Austro_Hungarian
Prussian Russian Spanish Turks
you get the idea.
As we know they all loved each other
and like to visit regularly.
The projects you are working on will aid this project
no end.I'v already taken into account these factors.
4, 5, 6 and 7
are more the things we need help with
Your involvement would be more than welcome
to say the least.
Thanks
regards
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
Bad excuse but however http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
http://mysite.freeserve.com/lordkraz...7-picture2.gif
LK,
I'll send you an E-mail with an image or 2 (jpeg's - not too big)
Welly
Those are sweet pics.
im looking forward to this1 very mutch
just a thought will the brittish have a "thin red line" formation or a bonus if they do? since i belive that was the standard formation.
My those are strange looking knights... with those sticks that make a flash, and knock a man down from across the field... sureley it is the Devil at work
Well, if it is.. being evil has never been so good
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/shock.gif Wow
This has got to be the most promising mod I've ever seen for Medieval I always wanted someone to do this theme. Really looking forward to this one
Lord Krazy: When do you think it will be finished?
Also, what are you planning in the way of artillery? I would really like to see a galloper-gun (you know a horse-drawn light cannon which can move and deploy) and I think it would fit in with the time period, Is this possible?
Thanks for such great work LK
true, true......Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
LK: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif NICE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif those are SWEET, errm, maybe I should try em out.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif
err, im getting errors for all of the new inf, something to do with the actions in the texture folder...
All i did was back up all the folders which were involved and then extracted your mod...
help plz
edit: and I get an error message when it starts up that says something about the english light inf being invalid, they dont show up for selection either...
I screwed up the directories names maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Add the file manualy for the moment.
I'll update it soon with a few more units
and sort out other problems such as this too.
The files work on my pc so it should just be a directory
problem.
That's what you get for being lazy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
This is what they look like.
http://mysite.freeserve.com/lordkraz...5-picture1.gif
just a thought but can we get some highland regiments?
i mean plenty scotts fought for old britania in their own regiments.
I see the problem I gave you the wrong prod11
just add an EnglishLightInfantry
copy the line from the arqubusier and just change the name
if this is too hard wait for the update http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
OOOhhhhh cool 95th rifles there LK Lol, you could have a hero Richard Sharpe (anyone else read the Bernard Cornwell novels?)
And Knight Yellow has a point, there were a great many Scotish regiments, and a third of the British army at the time was actualy Irish
This looks fantastic, best and most promising Mod i have seen so far.
If you do some Imperial Guard Marmaluks I will love you for ever (well at least be happy for a while) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
Found it
Had to use my 1337 moding skillz but I found and fixed the prob...
you had a folder called "Actionpages" where it needed to be named "ActionsPage" .... nothing big, but it does stop the anyone from using it.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif
now cumon u know u have to have at least 1 guy with a bag pipe now or maybe a bag pipe unit -2 moral to the enemy maybe?
LK I am currently assisting Welly on a Holyland mod in conjunction with LMM devolopment, but if you need someone to work in Startpos/Names etc. I am your man after all you need someone to change the stuff in the "curly brackets" LOL http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Big%20Thumb%20Up.gif
Well done you see your not that lazy after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
It was not meant for the anyones
but I get your point. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Your very demanding for a lazy person http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
ooohhhhhhhhhhh
that looks awesome.. we need to play some online
Why just the enemy? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
A bagpipe unit could be made
but I'm not going to as I have better things to do
thank you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Like dancing cannons http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
You just need someone with the same set of file.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Ones that work that is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
I don't supose you have a map
of Waterloo by any chance? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
SOS thanks I'll be in touch.
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
I know of the these Irish regimentsQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
Name followed by regiment number
Royal Irish 18
Inniskilling 27
Royal County Down 86
The Prince of Wale's Own Irish 87
The Connaught Rangers 88
The Prince of Wale's Tipperary 99
His royal bla bla bla The County of Dublin 100
The Duke of Yorks Irish regiment 101
That's 8 out of 104 I know of
Which is less than 10%
This is what I know it does not mean I'm right.
Just wondering what you base your ratio on?
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
well i got bored and changed all the european battle music to fit the Napoleonic era.. bagpipes piping, whistles blowing, drumms rolling... the whole lot. If you want it its only a small 7MB so ill see where i can dump it for download
ohh, now your asking for it... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
The ratio came from the Osprey book on wellingtons infantry i think. It doesn;t just refer to the actual Irish regiments, but also the fact that a good deal of English and Scotish regiments also had irish soldiers in their ranks. Wide spread poverty in Ireland at the time forced many young men into the army of their 'hated' oppressors..... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/shock.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
LK,Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Correct, but let's not forget the cavalry -
- 4th (Royal Irish) Dragoon Guards
- 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons
- 18th King's Irish Hussars
BD,
Whilst there is no doubt that the numbers of Irish and Scottish soldiers (and perhaps also Welsh) who served in the British Army during the Napolionic wars was a far greater per-quota ratio for their nationalities ...
... the proportion of Irishmen in the British Army has NEVER approached a figure of 33% - or anything near.
If you consider the populations of England/Wales, Ireland and Scotland during this period you'll arrive at a ratio of roughly 80:10:10 for the nationalities mentioned above.
There is no doubt that both the Irish and Scottish contributed far greater numbers per head of population. I would suggest (very roughly speaking) an average of around -
- 15% for Irish recruits
- approaching 20% for Scottish recruits
- the remaining 85% being English or Welsh
Very commendable considering the times, but nowhere near approaching 33%
In deference to the quality of the Irish and Scottish recruits who fought in Wellingtons armies (that is - THE Wellington - not me!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif there is no doubt they were tough opponents and aquitted themselves well when in the brunt of it.
Welly
Welly
LK - you mentioned earlier the Mod will cover the time period 1700 (Seven-Year-War) to 1800 (Napolonic Wars)- Is this correct? Are you collecting information on the Seven-Year-War as well? Perhaps, I can help. Appropriate maps you can find: http://www.euroatlas.com/time/nw1700.htm and "../nw1800.htm". This not a LINK. I am sorry, but I do not know how to make it a Link for direct use here.
No such links ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
So when do you think the mod will be out? As either a beta or finished thing?
BTW what are you going to have in the way of artillery?
I was a bit disappointed the next total war game wasn't going for the napoleonic wars (but I have to admit the screenshots for Rome TW look very good)
Keep up the good work LK
That would mean that twice as many Irish soldiersQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
served in english and scottish regiments
than in irish regiments, including the cavalry.
I don't think so.
Like Welly mentioned the Irish percentage never reached
33%, by any stretch of the imagination.
I didn't forget them they just don't make odds to theQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
argument.
The 18th and the 8th were (light dragoon) hussars
but I tought the 8th was the
The King's Royal Irish (light dragoons)Hussars
That would mean that the famine never took placeQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
in Ireland.Or the population of England was around
80 million.Either way I can't agree.I know for a
fact the famine took place.I know for fact that the population was never 80 million.
If you consider the British census at the time
accounted for about 8 million and they never
bother to do it certain places,
(like where the natives lived) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
God only knows how many people lived in Ireland
at the time.The mortality and emigration rates
for the period dictated that at least 7 million
people lived in Ireland in this period.
It is estimated that 50% of the population
either perished or left due to starvation.
3.5 million is the estimated number
in the late 19th century when the famine period ended
finally. So 20% to 30% population I could believe
but members of the army not.
If you consider the devistating famine period
was not till the 19th century times in Ireland
in the 18th century would have been much better.
If you also consider the fact that the 15th 16th and 17th
centuries in Ireland were abysmal.
Lizzy, Olly, the French guy from Holland
all a bundel of laughs and out to improve
public relations on a grand scale. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
I would say fighting for anyone let alone the british wasn't
high on priorities.I know a lot of Irish people have fought for and still fight for the British army but not in great numbers and not soly for ecconomic reasons.
At the Battle of Waterloo for example I know
of only two Irish regiments that fought
that day.Both from Inniskilling , a place then and still
to this day with a very British population.
They did because they got paid and they wanted to.
To my knowledge the fact that so many Irish served in the
British army at the time was due to the fact at lot of Irish
people were around at the time.Remember Dublin was the
second city of the British Empire not Edinburgh
or Cardiff.
The points of view often differ from place to place.
Deciding what the ethnic make up of the British
army could be debated to high heaven as many others.
As for giving one ethnic grouping an advantage
or difference to another that's not on.
If you get 600 Irish guys and 600 english guys
give them the same training the same weapon
line them up on a level playing field
and tell them to open fire, who do you think will
do the more damage?
So musket units will be musket units with the same stats
and Hussars will be Hussars no matter where they come from.
Different regiments can be named as such for each region
drawing from the same source files, so if you had
10 regions in france you could have 10 or more
individualy named regiments.
But the only difference will be weapon, moral, experiance
Leadership and the lay of the land.
Where they come from is not a factor.
____
btw here is a link for an update of the units
here
this one is about 6 megs
The last 7 plus 2 more
and flags and shields for the nations involved.
The flags need to be renamed if you want to use them.
If you don't know how don't use them until you
do ok
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
this looks really good, i love the napoleonic era and have a good load of knowledge, but unfortunatly am not talented enough to help you with your mod (my skillz are strictly limited to historical battles and maps), but good luck with it lads , maybe i will make some maps for multiplayer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
I told you three days ago that we had started workQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
on this mod.Now you want too know when it will be finished.
I haven't seen daylight for a while so
when I find out what day it is, I'll do a quick estimation.
Is it still march? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
LBA said not tomorrow for sure so check back after that
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
I can't honestly say.
All I know is that the team we need to get the
show off the road is already near full strength.
The fact that Welly is all hands on deck
is like having a brigade of dragoons
behind you. So we are confident you will see an offering sooner rather than later.The fact that we have tought long and hard about this means that we already have a sence of
direction and purpose.We are still open for discussion
and inovation but we are not short of ideas or knowledge.
So keep your socks on and I asure you
when we know such things so shall you.
I was thinking cannon myself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
Or do you mean how are we going to manouver
them around the vast maps of mtw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
One option is to make a cavalry unit
give it cannon as a weapon and put cannon in the stand frames.This will enable battaries of cannon also.
I haven't heard too many alternatives. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif
Well it had to go one way or the otherQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
and we were bound to go the other
as varity is the spice of life http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
The screen shots look fantastic
Have you asked when they will be finished btw? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
Would you believe it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
Anyway the less I sit here chatting to you guy's
the quicker you'll see it.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Thanks for the kind words and it is nice to know other people are as anxious as us to see this
mod work and fill it's potential.
LK
Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
KBQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
This is a contradiction in terms.
Your not talented enough to help
yet you are skilled in battles and maps
(to say the least)
What makes you think we do not desire
maps and battles designed for the period.
Exactly.Then you could write some battles to put on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
btw if talent was a criteia I would not be here.
I just press the buttons according to the help file
and some thingie in my computer sorts it all out somehow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Work and determination is all I have to offer.
That's all it takes IMHO.
So get to work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
Hello LK. If i can help you in anyway just drop me a line, i know i am back to making my own MOD but as a thanks for sticking by me in the previous attempts i would like to help you some way, i cant help in anything but making units, changing the map and modding the units stats, i can do Loc Eng, battles, maps and images stuff like that, so if you ever need any help i will be glad to help you out, plus i'm ill at the moment so i need something to do to occupy me while i am actually awake and moving about and not doing my own MOD.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/idea.gif hehe , ok i see your point LK , i will definetely sort some maps and battles out , and if u require any testing let me know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Well, that put me in my place http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
You should be flattered that I'm so desperate to find out when it will be released
What I meant about artillery, as you guessed, was whether there would be horse artillery, but also whether howizters would be included. Not being a modder myself I wouldn't know if howizters were possible, but you could have a cannonball projectile which explodes into a naptha-like explosion. The explosion time being dependant on crew skill and a random factor.
Oh yeah, erm.. when will it be finished http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
*starts to run knowing he's going to get hit soon*
A very quick response in respect of 2 questions that have raised pertaining to this mod -
Q1: I would like to help but I don't know anything What can I do?
A1: Does'nt matter. Whether or not you know anything (as regards MTW modding or the Napolionic era) is totally irrelevant. Knowledge is NOT relevant. Interest, enthusiam and willingness are FAR MORE IMPORTANT. Anyone who wishes to help/contribute WILL be given as much assistance as possible. After all, is'nt this the purpose of such a modders group/forum?
Q2: How long before something is deliverable?
A2: It all depends on yourselves. There are sufficient people already to ensure the success of this mod. All that remains is efficient planning/organisation to ascertain what can be achieved with peoples time/resources.
My own personal opinion is that something entirely different can be provided within a period of 4 to 8 weeks. The more people interested in this mod anmd whom wishto contribute - the shorter the time.
I'll say again (as I always do!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif - we don't care how much you know. This is a modders forum, and as such anyone who has a basic interest or enthusiasm will be assisted as much as possible - and if they ar'nt then I'm a liar
I'll post something in 1 day or 2 in respect of the areas that could use a little investigation in respect of a mod of this undertaking. Whether you are a 'newbie' or someone who knows a little bit about MTW is totally irrevelant.
ENTHUSIASM and WILLINGNESS are important - not knowledge or expertise.
Welly
I have looked at some Napoleonic related sites and I find the period to be very interesting alot of diversity of units and countries involved I am learning alot.http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian...09/Essling.jpg
i want to play using these demo units but , how do i do it ? any help would be much appreciated. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Just copy the file to the the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
folder in mtw and that's it.
backup any file to be replaced
and that should be it.
In theory if you get the MTW-Total War.zip
and unzip it with the use folder names tad ticked,
into the Total War directory
Then it should just install.
If you can make a second install of mtw
that would help also.Then you could afford
to make mistakes.
KB mail me
at TheLords@thelordz.co.uk
A Prussian Jaeger unit will be added tonight
guys just wondering earlier today i found a load of files containg the images of all the mtw units.
see if i changed one of the wee guys shields by putting a cross on it would all those units end up with crosses on their shields?
ie. bowman has a shield so if u put a cross would all bowman have that now?
Yes they are called bif files.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
read wellingtons guide to animation.
If you change the shield you change it for
everboby that uses it.
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
Ideas for factions:
1. France
2. Spain
3. Ottoman Empire
4. Russia
5. Kingdom of Two Sicilies
6. Poland/Lithuania(Only in early campaign since they were annexed later)
7. Austria
8. Algeria(need someone to represent Africa and they interacted with Europe more than Tunisia, Morocco, or Tripoli.)
9. Prussia/Bradenburg
10. Venice
11. England
12. Denmark or Sweden(Sweden might be tough considering their provinces are off the MTW map)
13. Netherlands
Main problem will be with the German minors. Will you guys make them rebel territory?
Depending on the time, they will either be French, Prussian or Austrian...
It will be hard to really go into detail with the current map, considering that it was constructed with the middle ages in mind... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif
but this cant be helped unless someone wants to go and build a new map...
here
is a link to version 1.3
it contains 10 units
PrussianJaegerInfantry is the extra unit
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gifheretoo
for v1.4
im using that link now,
god that must suck if uve only got 56k
Maps are being worked on.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
As for going into detail, well that's just hard.
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
There WILL be a new map for this mod. It's already finishedQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
The idea is for Nap mod to become several mods, all based around the Napoleonic era and with limited factions. For example -
- French and Austrians fighting in a campaign based on the North Italian plains (1796)
- French and Russians fighting in Russia (1812)
- French and English (with perhaps SPanish/Portugeuse units) fighting the Peninsula campaign in Spain.
These proposed mods will all incorpoate -
1) New Units
2) New campaign maps
3) An emphasis being placed on tactical campaigns rather than strategic ones
Implicit in this will be a different time scale (days/weeks/months instead of years) and MAJOR changes to the building requirements within MTW - the idea being to reduce the amount of building required in order to get units.
As the scenarios/campaigns will be tactical my idea is to allow creation of ALL units possible for that faction (on the assumption they have entered the area as reinforcements from outside).
I'll post some requirements and a bit more info re the proposed direction in a day or 2,
LK will be downloading more images of the units and the Campaign maps from his site within a few days.
Welly
if you need any maps made, send a request over my way, ill sort it out
having just played a few custom battles using the new units , i am totally amazed. i think this mod will be totally excellant, the new units look really good the gun smoke and sound are good when combined with the rate of fire and reload, as well as greater range, the amount of effort that has gone in already is very evident. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
I just hope u guys put the same effort in to the music and sounds to make this mod really great. i am looking forward to seeing some hussars and british cav as well , well done so far and i am eagar to see more http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Alrowan,Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
You read my thoughts I was writing a quick "who can do what" and your name immediately sprang to ming in terms of adding a bit of 'battlefield map flavour' for creating some different maps based on the provinces for the 1st Nap mod campaign map.
This WILL be challenging The 1st campaign map I have in mind (and is finished) is based around the Italian lakes and encompasses several areas with small/large villages, larger towns, lots of hilly/mountaneous regions, lots of coastal provinces, deltas and much more.
Having your assistance on this 'Nap Mod team' to create something even more special would be phenominal. The tactical campaign map emphasis (as oppose to a campaign map of Europe/Asis/Africa) will undoubtedly provide you with something to really get your teeth into.
Can I suggest you E-mail me - and I'll send back a simple Jpg of the 1st proposed map (only 200K or so) and a link from were to download the actual WWW hires map (3+ meg). Also, I'll indicate a rough idea of where the provinces will be split up on this map.
regards,
Welly
ok, sounds good
just email this adress
the_smphill@hotmail.com
ill get back to you asap.
by he way i have got a music set that may interest you for this mod, though it is 7MB so i may have to send it in separate parts
sounds greatQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
Your much further along then I expected, now If we could only get some screenshots... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif
just looked at the units.. the english inf seem to have the speen on thier animation pumped... they look like theyve been snorting
Ok I'm just a newbie modder so maybe you know more than me..Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
But I found out you had to have a minimum of 8 factions or MTW will crash (at least in MP/custom battles) Is it different in SP campaign?
CBR
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian...06/napjena.jpgNapoleon at Jena
Today SOS means
"seriously oversized screenshot" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Any1 else noticed a glitch where if ur in a custom game and u take like 2 units of english line inf and pit them against an army that some of the enemy units have severe graphical glitches?
Byz infantry and fuedal foot knights are the ones ive noticed with this.
just wondering if its just me or a global problem http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif
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Yes the word beta springs to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Maybe I should have left it an alfa.
Next time I'll include the 1.2 readme.
That readme stated,
"Please bare in mind this is just a beta for testing"
Not a finished product.This is for the beta testers
if others want to try it well that's fine but
that's not what it is for.I am well aware
of all graphical glitchs as we did
compile them
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These glitches will be removed and many other things will change too.
The fact that the Prussians and the other English
unit do not walk like this and considering they were
compiled after show that this issue has been resolved.
We are not pro's so why people are expecting
professional work I don't know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif
They are far more qualified people out there that
can do this,they just don't unfortuatly.
So untill they do you will have to put up with the crap
TheLords put out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Free Fun but not flawless
TheLords@thelordz.co.uk
is a better forum to discuss such issues
IMHO
Thank you.
Regards,
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif they just work if you use them againstQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
each other or unit that don't use the
bif that has been replaced.
versus rifle and musketQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
Well I didn't really think of that combination
to be quite honest http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
serves you right
pick on someone your own size http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
LK
The Nap Units,
The new units that will be available for this Napolenic mod are being redone. I am currently writing a utility that will assist LK/LBA in building the BIFs, generating ActionsPage/Deadpage stuff and getting all it correct (this utility may also offer some degree of automated recolouring in order to create variations on a theme - hence different colours tunics for Hussars, different coloured epaulettes etc:).
The size of the units will probably (don't know yet) be around 70%-80% of the MTW unit size - in order to preserve resolution. This won't matter as the Napolenic mod will ONLY have these units in it - no MTW units.
Therefore any Napoleonic type units that are currently available for download from the Org, whether Beta or whatever, will NOT be the final units that will be provided for this Nap mod.
You will be provided with a completely new set.
Welly
Within the English infantry of the era The Light(Rifle)Battalions with a GREEN uniform must be differentiated from the line battalions with the RED coat of the English infantry.A company would consist of of just over 90 men including non-comms.and a battalion would consist of up to ten companies(up to 900 muskets strong) with 1 grenadier company.The uniform of the Light Battalions was GREEN with Black collars and facings,shako with cord,black shoulderbelt,long grey trousers. The officers added to their green uniform hussar braid made of black silk, Line battalions all had the same Scarlet uniform with dark blue collars and facings, The uniform of the cavlry of the Legion was especially becoming, Hevy Dragoons wore Scarlet coats with long tails, white trousers,high black boots with strap on spurs. The 1st Regiment had DARK BLUE collars and facings ,the2nd Black ones,2 rows of gold buttons with royal cypher,white shoulder belt cocked hat with red and white plume. Every heavy regiment hat a rectangular,red king's colour, which showed a white rose and a thistle under a king's crown in the middle, On the reverse one could see an Irish cloverleaf with a white scroll with the motto "Honni soit, qui mal y pense". 4 small blue and gold bordered shileds in the corners showed the letters K.G.D (King's German Dragoons) or a white horse. This was taken from a site that was devoted to the soldiers of the Napoleonic era these excerpts were of British soldiers dress and deportment I noticed also how musicians played an important part in the regiments also, drum and bugle corps. I thought it might be of interest.TSOSQuote:
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no i meant bring 2 units at double size and try to win as the defender on acre against 4 units of pikes 4 valour and 4 units of goth knights 4 valour.
very bloody hard
What has that got to do with graphic glitches? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
Let's just asume that I actualy put some tought
into the prod11 and projetilestats,which I didn't.
I still think 2 units against 8 and add to that
4 are cavalry the odds are stacked against you.
I can't believe I'm having this conversation.
They are just samples live with it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
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It's kinda like this.
We new from the start we could not do this
by ourselves
The only reason we took the decision
to release these samples to the public was to generate
some interest.Seen as all our previsious efforts
were mostly ignored or treated with scepticisim.
Over the last 4 months I have brought up the idea
of this mod on several occasions.Apart from a few
Napoleonic buffs, no one seemed to care other then
the beta testers that saw the units.
So we released the units hoping it would have the same
reaction.So far it look's like it did, even if
it is a confused one. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/dizzy.gif
For that I do take responsibility http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
TheLords announced that were starting
to formulate this project when RTW was made offical.
Last week was the first offer of help we had from
any other modders.
As a result of months of non interest
I was not prepared for the response we have had
in the last week.I have been every concievable
question and the rest in the last week.
From why does the campaign crash to what units
and nations will be in it to when is going to be finished?
I did anticipate the last one.
It's normaly one of the first questions asked http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
So to make some things clear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
What do you know?
very little
What are you going to do?
alot
When will we know what is going to happen
and what it will look like and how many factions and units
and will cannon move and will there be 3d realtime naval
battles and will the King of England speak German
and if Spain will be catholic expationist
or members of the EC http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
When you install the mod.
I never believe anything I read on forums http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Why won't the sample units do this that or the other thing?
because they are samples
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
@Lord Krazy:
WOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Thats fun to play with this units
Go forward it and make a really good mod.
I know that you and a team will make it very well
Thank you for the possibility to play in that time.
This mod and the Patrician mod are the best thing I´ve ever seen.
Please go forward and make a map, cavalary and so on.
Antalis::
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Have you seen the screenshots on the first page?
I don't want to split hairsQuote:
Originally Posted by [b
but it's called a shamrock.
I don't think clover is Irish.
It's more from all clover the world http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Guys,
Factions, units and maps
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A few more details just so people understand what is going to be done and why.
Factions
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This Nap mod CANNOT offer 20 different factions fighting over a European map - AT THE SAME TIME
The reason is all MTW units are based on images within 34 BIFs - different units are achieved by mixing and matching these images with shields and weapons. The Nap mod WONT be doing this - it can't as the weapons are already drawn on to the images LB/LDA will be using for this mod. Therefore, it will probably be a case of 1 unit per BIF.
As there are a maximum 34 BIFs available in MTW, 4 of which will used for Nap horses - that gives us 30 BIFs from which to create all the units required for 20 factions Can't be done. Therefore, we have to rethink this - which is why I suggest we have several MTW Nap campaigns, all tactical in nature, and each having only a few factions available (2-4 perhaps).
Units
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With 2 factions available for any Nap campaign this gives us a maximum 15 BIFs per faction (that is 15 different units per faction) ... which is ample. With 4 factions in any Nap campaign that gives us 7 or 8 different units available per faction - just about enough (but stretching it somewhat).
This is not a problem as throughout the Nap era you never saw more than 4 main Nationalities involved in any one campaign (Austerlizt was the maximum - 4 nationalities).
We may be able to get more than 1 unit in a BIF (from what I've seen of the sample images LB/LKA are going to be using) but I'm not sure yet.
Therefore, we can have a number of "Sets" of BIFs that each relate to the units of a specific faction, as an example -
Set 'A' - BIFs 1-11 = French units
Set 'B' - BIFs 12-23 = British units
Set 'C' - BIFs 24-31 = Prussian units
and
Set 'D' - BIFs 12-21 = Austrian units
Set 'E' - BIFs 22-31 = Russian units
... and so on.
and so on. Note that sets 'B' and 'E' use the BIFs. This is NOT a problem as we won't be offering campaigns that use both these faction (British and Russian) in the same campaign.
Each 'set' of bifs will be downloadable as a complete set (or partial set if the download size is too big).
Maps
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Each Nap campaign will have its own map, together with 2-4 'Sets' of factions available for that specific Map/campaign. The various map will either be downloadable from the web or be a cropped/resized/renamed version of the MTW maps.
Hence each Nap campaign will comprise, for example -
Waterloo campaign - map of Belgium. French/British/Prussian sets of BIFs/units
Peninsular campaign - map of Spain. French/British sets of BIFs/units
North Italy - tactical maps of North Italy. French/Austrian/Italian sets of BIFs/units
I'll be sending LK some screen shots of the campaign map(s) from which he can add them to this thread via his website.
You should get the rough idea by now. However all of this has to be managed/controlled, so ...
Managing all of this
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Software will manage most of this. LMM will manage the maps creation and install/backout of each Nap campaign. Recipients of these mods will require LMM to recreate the campaign for you. UM (Unit Modder) is being written now to manage the creation of the BIFs from LK/LBA's plates and the organisation of the various Nationility 'sets' of BIFs.
Conclusion
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Hope some of this makes sense and answers some questions. As for which Nationalities and units willbe available I don't know yet as I've only received a few sample plates and don't yet know whats possible.
LK - can you compile a list of 2 things
1) which nationalities are provided for in your plates
2) which unit types, per nationality, are provided for in your plates
... we can then plan this and inform people what 1st offering(s) will be.
I'll write up a list of things to be done in a few days in order to ascertain who can assist with what.
regards
Welly
what i meant was that ive seen some wierd graphical glitches in the byz inf and fuedal foot knights if i field an army of them against 1 or 2 units of line infantry.
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KY,Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
As LK rightly pointed out - dont worry about that for now in terms of this Nap mod. If your concerned post it on the "Request to Community" thread.
Considering the amount amount of work that is manually required to create MTW bifs (and correct image-rectangles/actions/frames/XY-origins) it's hardly surprising there may (and I say MAY because no has any idea how YOU have modded YOUR version of MTW) be some glitches. As I've said I am busy writing a utility to automate this process so when the 1st offerings are released you won't see any glitches - unless, of course, you've f****d something up.
If you are at a loose end for something to do, and are interested in this Nap mod then here's your starter for 10 -
- we need a short list of different types of Scottish units that fought in the Napoleonic wars. NOT regiments but types of units (maybe 4/5 infantry and 2/3 cavalry). For each different type -
- Line Infantry
- Light Infantry
- Highlanders
- Light Cavalry (hussars/dragoons)
- Heavy Cavalry (scots greys) ... and so on
We need to know the basic differences in dress, weaponry and morale/effectiveness. Hence -
- kilts or trousers etc
- what type of headgear (shako/busbee etc)
- rifles or muskets, effective ranges, reload times etc
- elite unit or line unit?
... and so on
Do you want this research on?
Welly
Battalions discharged their guns in a mass volley at targets within 200 yards normaly.
Often men would continue their fire at the rate of one to two rounds per minute. They could fire three or four, but many weapons also misfired, and the smoke from previous discharges often obscured the target from view.Not that they aimed much but it was still nice to see where
the target was.Seen as they fire in mass at large numbers
of troops, it was kind of hard to miss altogeather.
Rifle was more accurate and longer ranges but took longer
to reload, so only really had an advantage atlong range.
Once musket units closed to effective range they were the
one with the advantage with a more rapid rate of fire.
Beyond 100 yards smoothbore musket
was not accurate to say the least.
The first volley was often the most effective because it was loaded with more care and fired with less smoke.
Every soldier had about 50 rounds of ammunition. Musket fire caused most casualties in battle.
This was pretty much standard for the period.
These things vairied from weapon to waepon
and regiment to regiment but not vastly I believe.
The battalion was the main unit of manuver.
It normaly lined up 3 ranks deep.The first two ranks
firing and the third rank passing forward loaded muskets
and filling in the gaps left by casualties.
The British often used two ranks to maximise
firepower but was weaker in defence as a result.
Wellington used 3 rank lines at Waterloo
and 4 ranks at times.
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif
The only troops int eh British army that were issued with rifles were the 60th and the 95th. They wore the green jackets. Also certain elements of the Kings German Legion (one or to of the Light infantry regiments) also wore the dark green and carried rifles. The rifles they were issued with were all the standard Baker Rifle, that could be accurate at up to 400yard, but were most effective between 200 and 300 yards. They took nearly twice as long to reload as the normal Brown Bess musket. The rate of fire for British regiments was noted to be hire than that of any other army as they were the only force to train with live amunition and so had more experience when it came to battle situation. The british soldier could average about 3 shots a minuite with other continental armies averaging about 2 shots.
here is an excellant site on napoleonic things, and this link will take u to the interestign stuff about the weapons
link
I did no such thing ... I'm not so old http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gifQuote:
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I did play Naps at the Sheffield Triples (UK figure wargaming championships/knockout) 3 years running, 1986-88, and fielded my Russian Army on all 3 occasions - just because I was impressed with how I'd painted them (figure wargamers will know what I mean - not always the best policy). Lost in the 1st round all 3 times, once to an Austrian army and twice to British armies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif
... which is why my monacle is Wellington - British Naps always seemed to win at the Triples
Still have 2000+ 15mm Naps in the attic, that have been there gathering dust for 12 years. Since moving to Holland I never had the opportunity to play figure wargaming again ... but could'nt never bear to part with armies that took me 5 years to paint.
Such is life. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Welly
LK , WELLY , I came across a good site that has alot of info on the regiment types, uniforms, weapons etc thought it might help www.scotsatwar.org and www.regiments.org Loads of good info...
he he, I know what you mean Welly. I played 25mm Spanish Napoleonic for a while after I painted up some Guirillo's that a mate gave me. I lost every bloody battle cos my troops always ran away.Quote:
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I am painting 15mm Marlburian Anglo-Dutch now, they are better painted than my Spanish and fair better on the table. I am happy...