Norwegian Of The Year 2010

.....is to be deported to Russia.

"Maria Amelie", age 25, fled from Caucasus with her parents when she was 12, during the ethnic cleansing of the Chechen people. She came to Norway four years later, at age 16. She has lived these past 8 years in hiding from the Norwegian government, as a paperless immigrant without any rights or protections. She has no right to work, no right to education, no right to a personal doctor, etc etc.

Yet against all odds, she has prospered. She has a masters degree from our second best university, she works for free as a coordinator on two of our biggest music festivals, she has a Norwwegian boyfriend, she speaks flawless norwegian.

And she made a fatal mistake. She entered the public debate as an author to give a voice to the thousands of paperless immigrants in our country, those who are without a doubt the lowest of the low. Her book was an instant best-seller. Her chronicle in Norways leading newspaper sparked immense debate.

And now she is punished.

To disgrace our society even more, the criminal police officers picked a truly shameful location for her arrest: just after giving a lecture at the Nansen School. Nansen is one of the most famous Norwegians and a true humanitarian. And what is the reason for his fame? His unwavering support for refugees. His greatest feat was helping half a million refugees from WW1 find their way home. He founded lots of organizations to help refugees. He dedicated his life to get nations to treat refugees with respect and decency.

And outside the school named in his honour, the justice departments armed thugs arrested a refugee and will destroy her life.

It sounds more like they set up themselves to fail.

If public support is that strong she will get her papers.

Otherwise I guess it is Germany that will benefit. Someone will take her.

The big IF is of course that Putin is "less kind" to political opposition, especially those coming from Caucasus.

If she ends up dying in Russian custody, I'm joining an Al-Q boot camp.

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the Nansen School.

His greatest feat was helping half a million refugees from WW1 find their way home.

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So, they are helping this woman find her way home after the war as well, no?


Edit: With a Masters degree no less.

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So, they are helping this woman find her way home after the war as well, no?


Edit: With a Masters degree no less.

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Yes, like we sent the Czechs back to the USSR after their failed resistance.

She is an integrated part of Norwegian society. This is where her life is, this is where she has her ties. There is nothing for her in Russia anymore. Her love is in Norway. Her entire adult life has been in Norway. It was not h decision to come here, she has simply made the best out of the circumstances others have put her in.

Thus, she must be allowed to stay.

Why her? There are a billion people starving out there. What makes this rich, well-educated, Caucasian woman better than a starving African?


Just because her parents could afford to move to Norway she gets to keep the jackpot, while half a billion Africans live in pitiful circumstance? That's not right, is it? Why don't you open an airlift to get them out of Sudan?

Who said I am opposed to african immigration, Louis?

You should know by now that I am not.

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Why her? There are a billion people starving out there. What makes this rich, well-educated, Caucasian woman better than a starving African?


Just because her parents could afford to move to Norway she gets to keep the jackpot, while half a billion Africans live in pitiful circumstance? That's not right, is it? Why don't you open an airlift to get them out of Sudan?

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It's obvious that she should be allowed to stay, assuming what's been said is accurate. I would ask you the same question louis, why her? Why spend the effort to arrest and deport her particularly?

Maria Amelie is treated like those who do not follow the legal ways to gain access to Norway.

Yet she has not broken any laws, she was not the one who entered the country illegally. Her parents broke the law when they entered, but she had no say in that decision. A 12 year old girl cannot tell their parents what to do.

Furthermore, she is important to our public debate. She has described a situation we know little about. She hasa become a political figure, who was voted "Norwegian of the Year" a month ago, and is easily one of the most important females in the public debate.

And now she is removed for her political activism, she is punished for confronting the policies of the State. She is politically troublesome, and now, in the spirit of Stalin, she is deported to her GULag.

This happens in the year dedicated to the Honour of Nansen, outside the school named in his honour.

It's an utter disgrace.

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Who said I am opposed to african immigration, Louis?

You should know by now that I am not.

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I know that.

What I am asking is: what is the difference between this woman, and a starving African in war-torn Sudan?

Why should the former live like a queen in Norway, while the latter starves a miserable death? Neither are Norwegian, is the sole criterium 'had the money, resources and luck to sneak into Norway'?

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I would ask you the same question louis, why her? Why spend the effort to arrest and deport her particularly?

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My position is to deport all of them equally.

My position is, of course, to keep them all equally ~;)

But Maria Amelie dors actually have something more to her. She is a political figure. And her punishment is politically motivated. If she has kept her mouth shut, she could've continued her life in hiding, like her Sudanese counterparts are doing as we speak.

But she instead chose to broaden our political debate, to stimulate our intellectual discourse. Being punished for that is something they do in dictatorships, such terrorism is not worthy of a democracy.

Nah, she is trying to use her fame to place herself above the law, and then couldn't resist provoking the law enforcement a bit more.


Just because she is a famous public figure there should be a seperate treatment for her? She can't ever be expelled anymore? I thought you were against privileges for the rich and famous?

Her fame wont do her much in russia and from what horetore's saying her riches wont be going with her.

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My position is to deport all of them equally.

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It's easy to have a position that isn't relevant :mellow:

Anyway, she is clearly not being deported "equally" whatever that means. She was targeted specifically.

She sounds like a good citizen. Keep her. What country wouldn't want as many good citizens as they could have?

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Nah, she is trying to use her fame to place herself above the law, and then couldn't resist provoking the law enforcement a bit more.

Just because she is a famous public figure there should be a seperate treatment for her? She can't ever be expelled anymore? I thought you were against privileges for the rich and famous?

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Try again, Louis.

She gave a voice to those who had none, even though she knew that by doing so, she risk deportation. If she had kept her mouth, she would've been left alone, and she knew that too. Rich and famous? She works for free, as her status means that she cannot earn money. She may have gotten some money from the book, though. But rich and famous? Puh-lease. Try again.

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She was targeted specifically.

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JACKPOT!

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She sounds like a good citizen. Keep her. What country wouldn't want as many good citizens as they could have?

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North korea, burma, zimbabwe... shall I go on?

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North korea, burma, zimbabwe... shall I go on?

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It feels GREAT to add my own cuntry to that list. Just swell! My heart is filled with pride!

I'm sorry, but he did ask.

She was targeted like someone littering in a police station would be. Or should "celebrities" who break the law be treated differently? Or is it anyone who breaks the law in an obvious way? Trying to steal a police car from in front of the station should be a misdemeanour...

Either you can be an idiot and get a Masters from the second best University, or she knew the risks when she made the stand.

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She was targeted like someone littering in a police station would be. Or should "celebrities" who break the law be treated differently? Or is it anyone who breaks the law in an obvious way? Trying to steal a police car from in front of the station should be a misdemeanour...
Either you can be an idiot and get a Masters from the second best University, or she knew the risks when she made the stand.
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Littering in a police station?

Try "showering the police station with golden coins".

Norwegian society has been better because of her actions. She is an important political figure in opposition to the current regime.

The funny thing is that we have critized China for months now for their treatment of Liu Xiaobo. And then we treat people the same way ourselves.

If Liu had kept his mouth shut he would've lived a normal life now. If Maria Amelie had kept her mouth shutm she would've continued the life she has lived so far.

We congratulate Liu Xiaobo for speaking out, and encourage others to do what he has done. And then we deport them to Russia when they actually do it.

Maria Amelie has done nothing wrong. She has simply done what her parents told her to do while she was a minor under the criminal age. The criminal in this story is our government, our police and our courts.

The point that I'm sure you chose to ignore is that she has broken the law for years. She is not a child any more, and made no effort to correct the situation when she became one. I take it she lied to get into University. I was under the impression that laws weren't optional. Or is it that as long as one is important the laws can be moved to the side?

Liu Xiaobo is Chinese, right? So the reasons are completely different as she is not an illegal immigrant.

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She has not broken any laws.

She haqs not made any statements to the authorities, as she has not been allowed the opportunity to do so. Her parents spoke for her in her case, she has not been given the opportunity to give her statement as an adult. We are not responsible for the crimes committed by other people.

She did not lie to get into the university she was accepted as an illegal and paperless immigrant. Her education is 100% legal. She haven't even worked illegally, she has instead accepted that she is not allowed to have an income and has thus chosen to work for free instead.

150 million seem to manage in Russia. It's no crime to be forced to return. Plenty of Russians overstay their visa, then get send back. Albeit usually not with a masters degree on the taxpayers' money.

It's great for this woman that she lived a third of her life in Norway. It is great that in between hanging out with rockstars at festivals and getting a free masters degree, she even found the time to write a book complaining to the Norwegians about them mistreating her in this manner. But now she shall have to return as she discovers there are, in fact, not two sets of rules, one for the plebs and one for the famous.

Why didn't she apply for citizenship?

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Why didn't she apply for citizenship?

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Because she has not been allowed to do so by the state.

And why not?

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Because her case(whch means her parents case) had already been handled once, and she was refused her own case.

They simply applied for refugee status and were denied.

They were perfectly allowed to do so by the Norwegian state, which housed, fed and otherwise provided for them until the end of the legal procedings, fully paid for by the state as well.

Whenever the refugee problem gets a human face and a name, sentiments change. 'Oh, but not this one...this one is different...her we should keep, send the others back'


The story of this woman is the same as that of tens of millions of others. This is exactly what we do every time refugee status or a permanent residency permit is denied.
Unless one is willing to have an open door policy, the deportation of women like this one is daily routine, is the very face of restricted entrance policy.

Simplest solution: She should marry her boyfriend.

He should propose to her which means she could apply for a engagement permit and add another 6 months to her stay.
Apparently you are allowed to work on that permit.

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Simplest solution: She should marry her boyfriend.

He should propose to her which means she could apply for a engagement permit and add another 6 months to her stay.
Apparently you are allowed to work on that permit.

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So we should force people to conform to a christian standard....?

I did not realize I lived in a fundamentalist state.

So Odin was living a Christian standard by being married to Frigg? Or Thor and Sif?

But that is beside the point.
Her commonlaw husband is Norwegian but under the Norwegian law this union is not recognized.
You could try imposing your heathen common-law marriage custom to the Norwegian system later, but they should seriously consider this option.

Another question, maybe I live in an authoritarian control state but how did she achieve so much without any papers?
I'm pretty sure I had to show my ID card to get into the Uni, of course I can go sit in a lecture without one as there are no controls at the doors, but to collect points and get the papers in the end you certainly need to be registered. Same for opening a company and many other tasks.

At least this woman was integrated into society. She learned perfect Norwegian got an education and became a Norwegian. This alone should count for much. In fact, it should be a qualifying reason to let someone become a citizen. Not a requirement, but the feat alone should qualify for automatic citizenry.

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At least this woman was integrated into society. She learned perfect Norwegian got an education and became a Norwegian. This alone should count for much. In fact, it should be a qualifying reason to let someone become a citizen. Not a requirement, but the feat alone should qualify for automatic citizenry.

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This feat should be a compulsary part of becoming a citizen, but certainly not automatic citizenry (perhaps in Norway where barely anyone speaks the language, but English is so widespread). Of course, stating that language and education are requirements I hope you realise you are descriminating, something I imagine HoreTore would also be against?

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Of course, stating that language and education are requirements I hope you realise you are descriminating, something I imagine HoreTore would also be against?

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Should I throw the Strawman at you?
I tried to formulate it as carefully a I could stating that if someone was able to copy her feat, there should not be any more talk about "maybe we'll let you in".

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but they should seriously consider this option.

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I don't need to answer this, as she has already done so(it was in one of the dozen articles on vg.no last night, I can't be arsed to find it though):

It's a matter of principle to her.

She would not get married at this point in her life under normal circumstances. The only reason to do so now would be to circumvent the legal system, or in other words, cheat. This goes against her principles, and it's something she simply will not do.

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Another question, maybe I live in an authoritarian control state but how did she achieve so much without any papers?
I'm pretty sure I had to show my ID card to get into the Uni, of course I can go sit in a lecture without one as there are no controls at the doors, but to collect points and get the papers in the end you certainly need to be registered. Same for opening a company and many other tasks.

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It's perfectly legal to study in Norway without legal residence or a work permit.

There is no law for a universty against accepting paperless immigrants.

Louis, I'm going to go over this once more, just for you, as I cannot believe that you disagree with it.

The main problem in this case is the political side of it. The problem per se is not that she is thrown out, but why she is thrown out. She is thrown out because she took part in the public debate, and we cannot have that. We cannot punish people for something we should encourage.

We cannot allow our government to punish people for having troublesome opinions. They do that in Russia, but we can't allow that to happen in the EU, now can we? Is this really an appropriate way for a European government to behave?

I am not arguing for special treatment. I'm arguing against targeting people specifically.


There was another paperless and illegal immigrant at the Nansen School wednesday night. But he had not criticized the government, so the police did not arrest him. They only arrested Maria Amelie. We cannot accept this.

So, you have free education for anyone walking through the door and all this other cool stuff, but you have an authoritarian Tribunal that sits in judgment of immigrants and refugees with out political over sight?

In most democratic countries public opinion counts for a lot and if that fails the legislators will jump on board and pass a law, even just for that one person.

That place you live is a little weird.

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So, you have free education for anyone walking through the door and all this other cool stuff, but you have an authoritarian Tribunal that sits in judgment of immigrants and refugees with out political over sight?

In most democratic countries public opinion counts for a lot and if that fails the legislators will jump on board and pass a law, even just for that one person.

That place you live is a little weird.

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Her deportation wasn't decided in the courts, it was decided by the justice department(and probably some other parts of the cabinet too).

Their decision has been reaffirmed by the courts, but if it had been decided by the courts alone, things wouldn't have progressed so fast. A decision taken on tuesday and effectuated on wednesday? No, a state doesn't work that fast. The nromal process takes months and years. it took a day because the decision was taken politically.

If your point is over the speed and process rather than whether she should be deported, then OK.

But if she thought she could enter politics without there being any blow-back she was being dreadfully naive.

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But if she thought she could enter politics without there being any blow-back she was being dreadfully naive.

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I have no desire to live in a country where people are being punished for their opinions.

If I did, I might as well have moved to Russia myself. Or China.

While in custody, she has given an interview.

My translation. About marriage:

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- (...) She's had multiple suitors, but she's always said that she'll get married for love, with the right person. To get married in order to stay in Norway has never been a possibility, that goes against all her principals, Eivind(the boyfriend) says.

- That's completely true. People say "can't you just get married?" to me. That's bullshit. I don't want to do it that way, she says, and points out that she doesn't want to live with a fake passport either.

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As to why she doesn't want to return to Russia:

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First of all because I don't have any network there. I don't know if I have any living relatives, nor where they live [should there be any live ones]. I have no russian education, I've been a refugee almost my entire life. If I'm sent back there, I'll have nothing. I have nobody there. You might as well send me to New Zealand, says Maria.

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We are all obliged to respect the law. But the law must in turn respect basic human decency.

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At least this woman was integrated into society. She learned perfect Norwegian got an education and became a Norwegian. This alone should count for much. In fact, it should be a qualifying reason to let someone become a citizen. Not a requirement, but the feat alone should qualify for automatic citizenry.

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Exactly.

Wanna know who funded her education? Statoil. The state-owned oil company...

And now they're discussing hiring her as a scientist, which means that she can stay in the country as specialized labour. Though, that may be legally confusing if her deportation is effectuated....

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I have no desire to live in a country where people are being punished for their opinions.

If I did, I might as well have moved to Russia myself. Or China.

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I think you want the Kingdom of La La Land then.

Even America with its First Amendment expect reprecussions if you choose to speak out and are currently breaking the law.

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I think you want the Kingdom of La La Land then.

Even America with its First Amendment expect reprecussions if you choose to speak out and are currently breaking the law.

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Of course she knew the possibility. A soldier who goes to Afghanistan should know there's a possibility he might die, but should that mean that we cannot mourn or protest his death?

Nobodys saying this came out of the blue. We're saying this is an injustice.

Yup. The world is full of them. To be honest this is so far down the list it's out of view.

"Extra! Extra! Illegal Immigrant given free education up to Masters and deported to Russia! She won't circumvent the law on moral grounds!"

Not quite fleeing the death squads is she? Anyhoo, this is such a non-issue I'm going to stop posting on this thread in protest. I'm sure people will accord equal weight to this as they will to this case.

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She seems to be making her self a martyr. Up The Cause...

You can blame the politicians but she shares in it too.

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She seems to be making her self a martyr. Up The Cause...

You can blame the politicians but she shares in it too.

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You seem to have a very weird way of looking at things.

I can't seem to plet this go, so I'm going to bore you with another post:

Some people(like Louis) have made this case into a Maria vs. Starvin' Marvin. But how accurate is that? The number of immigrants Norway can sustain will depend on our number of jobs and our production. The more jobs we have and the higher our national production gets, the more immigrants we can sustain, as we can offer them a job and products to consume. Maria Amelie has a technical masters degree. Through her work/research, she will create industrial jobs and increase our production, thus allowing us to handle even more immigrants.

So, it's not a case of "why does she deserve to stay when Starvin Marvin dies in Ethiopia?", the case is tha by allowing Maria to stay, we can allow more immigrants to come.

It's not Maria vs. Starvin Marvin, it's Maria PLUS Starvin Marvin. And a few of his friends.

If nobody had made a point out of it nobody would have to put heir foot down, it's a discrace but I know who to blame. She's a victim of political correctness and the consequent inhuman rigidness of those cornered by it.

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Some people(like Louis) have made this case into a Maria vs. Starvin' Marvin. But how accurate is that?

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Let me give you another, slightly related, angle to chew on: This case shows the dreadful racism and white Christian superiority complex of Norway.


Illegals are deported all of the time. Asylum is refused all of the time.

But now they've managed to find the perfect illegal: a white, Christian, highly educated, young woman. Healthy, pretty, glamorous job. A golden poster child. But surely, if this was about a forty year old, swarthy, Muslim, undereducated man there'd be no public outcry and people protesting in the street? Where were allprotesters when the wretched and the poor were deported?



Picture of random forty-something Muslim illegal immigrant:

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If she succeeded in Norway I am sure she could do the same wherever. She should be thankful to Norway for having funded her education.

As to her being deported because she is an illegal immigrant, well, she is an illegal immigrant.

Louis, I am fully aware of that, and I don't disagree. But I don't see why that should affect this case?

It should be noted, however, that there were a public outcry last time the government shipped 30-something muslim immigrants out. Was it as strong? No, but then again, all of those muslims had criminal records...

Shibumi, you're missing the ppint, which is that Norway will be worse off without her. First of all we will lose a technical worker we are in short supply of, secondly we have lost a political voice.

Everyone loses if she is sent to Russia. Everybody wins if she stays.

If you have no selection at the gate you can't afford favoritism. Kick her out and bring her back legally.

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Shibumi, you're missing the ppint, which is that Norway will be worse off without her. First of all we will lose a technical worker we are in short supply of, secondly we have lost a political voice.

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You seem to be forgetting, that is why she's getting deported in the first place.

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You seem to be forgetting, that is why she's getting deported in the first place.

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Yes, I don't see why our political parties should have the ability to remove unwanted political opposition.

I dont think they have the same sentiments. It's amazing what lengths politicians will go to to win. Defacing or destroying the opposition by exploiting a law is just a bonus.

Nah, that's just you two - spoiled Brit and pampered Norwegian - pretending you are living in a brutal dictatorship.


Spend some time in an actual hellhole, where opposing voices are really under threat of violent removal. :yes:

This coming from the texan. We dont think we are under cruel dictatorships you sanctimonious preacher we think we are ruled by cruel politicians. True, there isnt much difference, but the point stands.

Personally I dont think I could have gotten it better, I'm in one of the most wealthy countries in the world and a national past that is second to none and I am grateful to the people who made it possible for me to bitch about the world from the conforts of british society. Yeah its hard in those cruel dangerous corners of the world and there are people who would kill to get even a fraction of the oppertunities I got. But, to be frank, after listening to people like you that think we should be be paralyzed with guilt every moment of every day for being lucky, I feel less sympathy for the destitute and oppressed and more utter disdane for the sanctimonious twat preaching at me, I get enough of that in college so please, stop trying.

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We have teh guns in Texas so politicians can't supress us. :us-texas:

Yes because a gun is so effective against government tanks.
And read the updated post.

Easy there, Greyblades ~:grouphug:

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Easy there, Greyblades ~:grouphug:

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I know, I know. But I realy am getting sick of people trying to gult me just because I am fortunate, its like shunning people for being rich its confusing and irritatingly irrational.

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Nah, that's just you two - spoiled Brit and pampered Norwegian - pretending you are living in a brutal dictatorship.


Spend some time in an actual hellhole, where opposing voices are really under threat of violent removal. :yes:

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Why should I?

Should I accept theft because other people get killed? You've stopped making sense, Louis.

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Personally I dont think I could have gotten it better, I'm in one of the most wealthy countries in the world and a national past that is second to none

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Well over here in the Texas we have got politically neutral history books. And they have thought me otherwise: the British can't hold a candle compared to their cultural and intellectual superiors across the Channel. Also, my history teacher said that the French clearly are more manly men than the effeminate Limeys, of which he suspected an unusually high number to be benders.

Obama has said so too last week. :smug:

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You've stopped making sense, Louis.

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'People without proper visas are refused entry all of the time. People without proper residence permits are returned home all of the time. This does not an oppressive dictatorship make. Norway does not customarily silence dissenting voices.'

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Well over here in the Texas we have got politically neutral history books. And they have thought me otherwise: the British can't hold a candle compared to their cultural and intellectual superiors across the Channel.

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France? Hah! Our most memorable leader controled a quarter of the world, thier's tried and repeatedly failed to take over europe. And another thing [Insert nationalistic posturing here]

Where have I made any serious suggestions that I live in a dictatorship, Louis...?

Part of my argument is that we are exactly the opposite, and because we are a liberal demcracy we cannot allow such behaviour.

We have happily sent important ministers and party leaders into retirement because of things like accepting a bottle of wine or screwing up their tax returns, causing her to pay a few thousand NOK less in tax than she should've, only because she misunderstood the rules.

And I am perfectly happy with that situation, I belirve that is the way it should be. You can have your corruption and power-politics all to yourself, Louis, I don't want the filth here.

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France? Hah! Our most memorable leader controled a quarter of the world, thier's tried and repeatedly failed to take over europe. And another thing [Insert nationalistic posturing here]

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Yea thats something to be proud about all right :rolleyes:

Being the country that came closest to ruling the world? Why wouldn't it?

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Being the country that came closest to ruling the world? Why wouldn't it?

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What part did you play in that?

If the answer is "none", how can one be proud of "nothing"?

What part did modern americans take in the revolution, or the civil war? And yet they seem pretty proud of it, why can't I?

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Being the country that came closest to ruling the world? Why wouldn't it?

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:laugh: as Horetore already said you had no part in that so it is merely a fact in a school book to you, now our grandparents they did and saw things we will never equal.

Your point being?

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What part did modern americans take in the revolution, or the civil war? And yet they seem pretty proud of it, why can't I?

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seriously you want to be "Proud" of subjugating various peoples and countries all over the world, often denying them the access to material goods of there own country etc etc you get the idea.

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What part did modern americans take in the revolution, or the civil war? And yet they seem pretty proud of it, why can't I?

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Since when did two wrongs make a right?

She's white and has tits what did you think would happen?

Even in such "enlightened" countries like Norway turn a blind eye to the xenophiba which gnaws at humanities bassest tribal instinicts

Only in France can a man truly be free

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seriously you want to be "Proud" of subjugating various peoples and countries all over the world, often denying them the access to material goods of there own country etc etc you get the idea.

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What I want? I want to be proud of the fact that we used to have an empire that spread around the world, that could smash any other nation into the dirt one on one. What I want is to live in a country that doesn't instantly think of racisim when the words national pride are utterd and doesn't consider at one point being the most influential nation of all time an embarrassment! I dont want to be part of a nation that gets most of its media from a flag waving nation and doesnt wave its own flag because of a bunch of racist bigots put a stigma on it because they used it in a poxy rally! [rant contines for several pages but I'll spare you them]

tl:dr : my country sucks in comparison to the old days and doesnt even want to aknowlege it.

Good god, I just realised, I want to be an american. :shocked: