Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
I know that.Originally Posted by HoreTore
What I am asking is: what is the difference between this woman, and a starving African in war-torn Sudan?
Why should the former live like a queen in Norway, while the latter starves a miserable death? Neither are Norwegian, is the sole criterium 'had the money, resources and luck to sneak into Norway'?
My position is to deport all of them equally.
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
My position is, of course, to keep them all equally
But Maria Amelie dors actually have something more to her. She is a political figure. And her punishment is politically motivated. If she has kept her mouth shut, she could've continued her life in hiding, like her Sudanese counterparts are doing as we speak.
But she instead chose to broaden our political debate, to stimulate our intellectual discourse. Being punished for that is something they do in dictatorships, such terrorism is not worthy of a democracy.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
Nah, she is trying to use her fame to place herself above the law, and then couldn't resist provoking the law enforcement a bit more.
Just because she is a famous public figure there should be a seperate treatment for her? She can't ever be expelled anymore? I thought you were against privileges for the rich and famous?
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
Her fame wont do her much in russia and from what horetore's saying her riches wont be going with her.
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Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
Try again, Louis.
She gave a voice to those who had none, even though she knew that by doing so, she risk deportation. If she had kept her mouth, she would've been left alone, and she knew that too. Rich and famous? She works for free, as her status means that she cannot earn money. She may have gotten some money from the book, though. But rich and famous? Puh-lease. Try again.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
It's easy to have a position that isn't relevant
Anyway, she is clearly not being deported "equally" whatever that means. She was targeted specifically.
She sounds like a good citizen. Keep her. What country wouldn't want as many good citizens as they could have?
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
JACKPOT!
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
North korea, burma, zimbabwe... shall I go on?
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Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
It feels GREAT to add my own cuntry to that list. Just swell! My heart is filled with pride!
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
I'm sorry, but he did ask.
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Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
She was targeted like someone littering in a police station would be. Or should "celebrities" who break the law be treated differently? Or is it anyone who breaks the law in an obvious way? Trying to steal a police car from in front of the station should be a misdemeanour...
Either you can be an idiot and get a Masters from the second best University, or she knew the risks when she made the stand.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
Littering in a police station?She was targeted like someone littering in a police station would be. Or should "celebrities" who break the law be treated differently? Or is it anyone who breaks the law in an obvious way? Trying to steal a police car from in front of the station should be a misdemeanour...
Either you can be an idiot and get a Masters from the second best University, or she knew the risks when she made the stand.
Try "showering the police station with golden coins".
Norwegian society has been better because of her actions. She is an important political figure in opposition to the current regime.
The funny thing is that we have critized China for months now for their treatment of Liu Xiaobo. And then we treat people the same way ourselves.
If Liu had kept his mouth shut he would've lived a normal life now. If Maria Amelie had kept her mouth shutm she would've continued the life she has lived so far.
We congratulate Liu Xiaobo for speaking out, and encourage others to do what he has done. And then we deport them to Russia when they actually do it.
Maria Amelie has done nothing wrong. She has simply done what her parents told her to do while she was a minor under the criminal age. The criminal in this story is our government, our police and our courts.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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The point that I'm sure you chose to ignore is that she has broken the law for years. She is not a child any more, and made no effort to correct the situation when she became one. I take it she lied to get into University. I was under the impression that laws weren't optional. Or is it that as long as one is important the laws can be moved to the side?
Liu Xiaobo is Chinese, right? So the reasons are completely different as she is not an illegal immigrant.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
She has not broken any laws.
She haqs not made any statements to the authorities, as she has not been allowed the opportunity to do so. Her parents spoke for her in her case, she has not been given the opportunity to give her statement as an adult. We are not responsible for the crimes committed by other people.
She did not lie to get into the university she was accepted as an illegal and paperless immigrant. Her education is 100% legal. She haven't even worked illegally, she has instead accepted that she is not allowed to have an income and has thus chosen to work for free instead.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Norwegian Of The Year 2010
150 million seem to manage in Russia. It's no crime to be forced to return. Plenty of Russians overstay their visa, then get send back. Albeit usually not with a masters degree on the taxpayers' money.
It's great for this woman that she lived a third of her life in Norway. It is great that in between hanging out with rockstars at festivals and getting a free masters degree, she even found the time to write a book complaining to the Norwegians about them mistreating her in this manner. But now she shall have to return as she discovers there are, in fact, not two sets of rules, one for the plebs and one for the famous.
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