Men, what characteristics generally attract you to women?

After speaking to one of my friends about women earlier, I realized that ever man I know (who has ever made mention of it) prefers very 'delicate' women who don't have a lot of muscle or thick bones. I guess I am weird in that respect, as I am very much attracted to strong women (not bulky, but strong) who are well muscled. I honestly have almost no respect for any adult (man or woman) who has a hard time lifting a milk-jug, and yet my friend was telling me how sexy it was that his girlfriend had a hard time putting a gallon of milk into a shopping cart!
It reminds me of another experience I had when a VERY sexy lady from my TKD class was being made fun of by other women because she had 'guy-like' biceps. She is a tiny (literally barely above my waste) woman with a small frame, but well muscled. There was nothing about her body that was not feminine, yet she stopped lifting because she did not like how 'guy-like' her biceps were.
I for one like a woman to have some muscle! In fact, I honestly am not at all attracted to women who have boney arms!

So here is the question, do you like strong women, or do you like 'delicately built' women? Also, do you think that a woman being very strong diminishes her 'feminitity'?

lol, don't just vote, explain why! :P

Well from a very young age I liked vibrant colors and musicals

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Originally Posted by Vuk

lol, don't just vote, explain why! :P

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Okay, i'll bite.

Being bisexual I don't usually date women, but when I do, i go for the softer look. Muscles are nice too but there's such a thing as too much. Depends on the person i guess.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Well from a very young age I liked vibrant colors and musicals

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lol, I believe it. ~;) You know that is not what I wanted explained though. :P Your reasons are your own. lol

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Originally Posted by Monk

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Okay, i'll bite.

Being bisexual I don't usually date women, but when I do, i go for the softer look. Muscles are nice too but there's such a thing as too much. Depends on the person i guess.

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So you think it is a more pleasing look then?
I see things differently, I cannot like someone's looks if I do not respect them (because of the association), and I have a hard time respecting people who never use their brain or people who never use their body (too many times I find people of whom both can truthfully be said).
Let me ask you, can you think highly of a woman who is very weak?

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Originally Posted by Vuk

Let me ask you, can you think highly of a woman who is very weak?

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So its not so much about the look, but the actual strength someone has. Not sure where you fixation on power comes from.

I suppose next you're going to tell me she has to beat you in a fight to the death in order for you to become interested, in some kinda strange, reverse Red Sonja thing? :confused:

If she can tear my head off, that is fine. If she cannot tear my head off, that is fine as well. I am honestly much more worried about what is going on in her head, and my tastes, as such, are quite...varied. A look at those I have dated yields nothing except to say that I am not gay. : /

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Originally Posted by Monk

So its not so much about the look, but the actual strength someone has. Not sure where you fixation on power comes from.

I suppose next you're going to tell me she has to beat you in a fight to the death in order for you to become interested, in some kinda strange, reverse Red Sonja thing? :confused:

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lol, I did not say that she has to be a body builder. It is not strength I am fascinated with, but character that I respect. Hard work develops character. Someone who has never done anything their whole life has not had that character building experience, and I find it hard to respect them.

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Originally Posted by Vuk

lol, I did not say that she has to be a body builder. It is not strength I am fascinated with, but character that I respect. A hard working person has more character than someone who does not work hard.

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Ah, I see now. Returning to the question you asked me in this context then, do I want my partners to have respect for themselves? Of course I do. Though, I don't expect them to be hitting the gym five times a week and taking a fighting techniques class. I have reasonable standards and they've done right by me, mostly.

Aneta Florczyk

Curse you Google image search! :furious3:

Poll lacks "Great Personality", "Large Breasts", and "Gah!".

oh thought it was personality because thats what i look for first

Shoulders. I love a woman with great shoulders.

Not big and muscular, just... nice athletic female shoulders.

Mmmmmmmm. :sunny:

In physical terms, 'delicate' no question.

In personality terms... I'm going for some sort of third way option. It would be nice if she was strong/independent but not be a ***** about it, and still be caring/nice (and generally not like me, lol).

In fact that's my only criteria in terms of a woman's personality. Don't be like me! Can't really go wrong with that...

Depends, although generally I prefer more delicate girls. Most of my ex-girlfriends don't have much in common with one another physically, but there's a general idea that I don't usually go for very athletic girls. I don't know why, probably it's because I'm afraid they'd knock me out with their breasts or something. I'm not really a very muscular guy either way.

What am I attracted to? A pluse!

Lol, I have a million of these

I suppose I like athletic women, I never bought into the whole oppisites attract baloney and I lead a pretty active life, so I couldn't see myself being with a woman who is a shut in
I also like books and would love to have girl whom enjoyed them as much as I did

Basically I am the epitome of a reniscance man and yet to have found my feminie equal


So I settle for a toothy smile, soft skin, and smell good

I think the thread title should have been "what characteristics generally attract you to the opposite sex?"! :P

To be honest, regardless of my partner's gender, their physical strength is irrelevant; I think that there are more important qualities to look at in a potential partner.

Sorry, but this poll is pretty much meaningless. In more ways than one. What is "Strong", what is "Delicate"? And that is the only two criteria?

Anyway,

My so-called delicate woman is strong. It is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the fight in the dog.

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Originally Posted by Secura

To be honest, regardless of my partner's gender, their physical strength is irrelevant; I think that there are more important qualities to look at in a potential partner.

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What she said.

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Originally Posted by Jaguara

. It is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the fight in the dog.

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Coincedentally That's also the first thing I say when we get in bed

mary mother of god I groaned when I saw this in the frontroom but I wasn't expecting anything this bad.

Anyway, to answer OP's question, OP's question is a false, misogynistic dichotomy. If we're talking characteristics, then intelligence is definitely the number one factor for me - smart girls make me melt, no question about it. If we have to talk about physical characteristics, then definitely legs.

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Anyway, to answer OP's question, OP's question is a false, misogynistic dichotomy. If we're talking characteristics, then intelligence is definitely the number one factor for me - smart girls make me melt, no question about it. If we have to talk about physical characteristics, then definitely legs.

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Come on Sub. Let's get serious here. Intelligence is a huge factor for me, too, but I won't fall in love with a girl that doesn't look pretty. It's just how it works, hmm?

I'm not saying that it's the only factor, just the most important one. Sure, there are definitely girls who are very attractive who aren't very smart, or just average, but I could never see myself in love with such a girl. Could I fall in love with a plain but fiercely intelligent girl? I'd like to think so, but I honestly couldn't say for sure.

In reference to the OP though, intelligence trumps delicateness/strength - I couldn't care less which of the latter the girl in question is (Outside bizarre extremes such as steroid-pumped weightlifters and that kind of thing, but then I'm guessing they were never being considered anyway).

Of the two choices provided, I chose "makes no difference" because I like my women intelligent and great personality. Looks are good too.

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I'm not saying that it's the only factor, just the most important one. Sure, there are definitely girls who are very attractive who aren't very smart, or just average, but I could never see myself in love with such a girl. Could I fall in love with a plain but fiercely intelligent girl? I'd like to think so, but I honestly couldn't say for sure.

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We're on the same page then. Good, I misinterpreted your post.

Yeah tbh I was a bit unclear in my first post but hopefully that's clarified my opinion

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Originally Posted by Subotan

If we have to talk about physical characteristics, then definitely legs.

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Yes, Sub, but are the legs delicate or strong? :rolleyes:

the real question is, do you want woman with wide childbearing hips or a delicate flower who no bear you many strong sons.

Vuk - I think defining physical strength and character strength as being tied together is a false assertion.

CR

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As far as physical attraction goes I could care less either way but I have a lot of respect for women who do things for themselves.

I've always preferred women with dark hair, not sure why. That's not to say there aren't attractive blondes and redheads and whatnot, I just like dark hair.

I like dark features, eyes and hair, and I prefer them to be a tad plump, not fat, just plump and soft. Sentimental, affectionate and intelligent. A good moral fabric is also appealing.

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Originally Posted by Secura

I think the thread title should have been "what characteristics generally attract you to the opposite sex?"! :P

To be honest, regardless of my partner's gender, their physical strength is irrelevant; I think that there are more important qualities to look at in a potential partner.

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lol, I specifically wanted to know the opinion of men about women though. ~;) Feel free to start a thread about what women think of men.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

mary mother of god I groaned when I saw this in the frontroom but I wasn't expecting anything this bad.

Anyway, to answer OP's question, OP's question is a false, misogynistic dichotomy. If we're talking characteristics, then intelligence is definitely the number one factor for me - smart girls make me melt, no question about it. If we have to talk about physical characteristics, then definitely legs.

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Thank you for demonstrating to us just how modern and feminist you are Subotan! Chill out.
I never said that physical characteristics were more or less important than beliefs, intelligence, etc. I was simply specifically examining the subject of muscularity, as it is something that has surprised me recently in life.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Vuk - I think defining physical strength and character strength as being tied together is a false assertion.

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I will agree that it is not necessarily as simple as A=1, but there is definitely a trend that I have observed that people who have a lot of responsibility and work hard when they are young generally have a lot more of a clue than others, and are a lot better people. (and less likely to engage in behaviors that I would consider depraved) Working hard also really builds a mindset and a set of values that I greatly value. It is not about (as Subotan was saying) what she looks like, but what she has done and how she thinks. I am not saying that women who have not had working backgrounds are bad people, but they are less likely to have the set of values, the world view, and the common sense that I really admire. I also think that they are less likely to be good people. Trials builds moral character. Hard work does that very well. It really makes the difference between someone understanding life or not understanding life IMHO.
(and yeah, I find well muscled women to be very visually pleasing as well :P)

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Originally Posted by Secura

I think the thread title should have been "what characteristics generally attract you to the opposite sex?"! :P

To be honest, regardless of my partner's gender, their physical strength is irrelevant; I think that there are more important qualities to look at in a potential partner.

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this is the most important thing! :D
Although I did prefer girls that is not too big... or muscular... athletic and muscular girl reminds me of my twin sister, and I hate that kind of thinking, and also because it can become very confusing tell who is the girl if we stand together.... :grin: at least with a very delicate and feminine girl at my side, no one will think I was a girl.

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

this is the most important thing! :D
Although I did prefer girls that is not too big... or muscular... athletic and muscular girl reminds me of my twin sister, and I hate that kind of thinking, and also because it can become very confusing tell who is the girl if we stand together.... :grin: at least with a very delicate and feminine girl at my side, no one will think I was a girl.

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lol, you could fix that by doing some hard work yourself. ~;)

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Vuk - I think defining physical strength and character strength as being tied together is a false assertion.

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Couldn't agree more.

Most people would think of my wife as "very delicate".

If you would ask me to describe how strong she is, I'd answer that she's made of steel.

For about the first week after meeting them - physical appearance.
Beyond that - intelligence and personality (though physical appearance is still nice :eyebrows:)

Both are important, but you're nuts if you say physical appearance isn't a driving factor in asking someone out the first time. Well, I guess if you're dating a long-term friend, but that's not generally a good idea anyway.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

For about the first week after meeting them - physical appearance.
Beyond that - intelligence and personality (though physical appearance is still nice :eyebrows:)

Both are important, but you're nuts if you say physical appearance isn't a driving factor in asking someone out the first time. Well, I guess if you're dating a long-term friend, but that's not generally a good idea anyway.

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lol, I never said physical appearance wasn't a driving factor. ~;) I think that anyone, man or woman, considers physical appearance when dating.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Couldn't agree more.

Most people would think of my wife as "very delicate".

If you would ask me to describe how strong she is, I'd answer that she's made of steel.

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I am sure that she is Andres. I have been fortunate enough to know some 'very delicate', yet very good, very strong women. My point is though that on average, I have observed that women who have done the hard work it takes to become physically strong seem to be much more likely to be more desirable in other ways as well. Physical strength means that someone has used their body for hard work, and therefore have achieved something. Mental dexterity means that someone has used their brain for hard work, and therefore has achieved something. I find both extremely worthy of respect, and together, there is nothing more attractive or worthy of respect in my mind as a woman who is both a great thinker and a great worker. I can still respect someone who only possesses one of those qualities, but not nearly to the extent as someone who possesses both. I have no respect for someone who possesses neither, for they have never used either their bodies or their brains for anything. Luckily, it seems that it is usually (though by no means always) all or none. Those who are very fit and active, and have worked hard tend to be those who are also very intelligent. Through hard work someone can become both physically and intellectually attractive.

thats not true at all vuk. being physically strong does not mean in the slightest they are mentally tough or smart in the slightest. "doing the work" doesnt mean anything. Physical strength most certainly does not mean they used their body for hard work such a statement is patently false.

Since I like to go climbing once a week, it would be nice if she was either a good climber, or would be willing to climb once a week. Climbing muscles aren't bulky, more wiry. A totally muscleless woman is a turn off. I mean, you struggle to lift a 2 liter bottle? That's kinda pathetic - though I know a fair few guys like women like that.

But, obviously, being pretty is good, but intelligence and personality are long term necessities. All 3 is the jackpot!

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Since I like to go climbing once a week, it would be nice if she was either a good climber, or would be willing to climb once a week. Climbing muscles aren't bulky, more wiry. A totally muscleless woman is a turn off. I mean, you struggle to lift a 2 liter bottle? That's kinda pathetic - though I know a fair few guys like women like that.

But, obviously, being pretty is good, but intelligence and personality are long term necessities. All 3 is the jackpot!

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lol, I did not say bulky though, just strong. I know women who (because of the work they do) can exert enormous amounts of strength, but do not look esp strong. And yeah, it would be nice to find a woman who loves practicing martial arts. ~;)

Oh yeah, another thing that hard work develops is confidence...something generally lacking, or existing in a lesser degree in women who are strangers to hard work. Confidence is a crucial part of attraction.

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Thank you for demonstrating to us just how modern and feminist you are Subotan! Chill out.
I never said that physical characteristics were more or less important than beliefs, intelligence, etc. I was simply specifically examining the subject of muscularity, as it is something that has surprised me recently in life.

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You asked for opinions, and you got mine. Whether you think that is rabid political correctness is entirely up to you. I know this isn't the backroom, so I don't feel a need to nor am I justifying myself to The Internet.

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Yes, Sub, but are the legs delicate or strong? :rolleyes:

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I don't care, so long as they're the ones these guys are talking about.

Some of the hardest workers I know are also the biggest jerks

Myself included

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Originally Posted by Vuk

lol, I specifically wanted to know the opinion of men about women though. ~;) Feel free to start a thread about what women think of men.

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In regards to this thread, my opinion is just as valid as a man's though; in fact, given the nature of some of the threads we see in the Frontroom, I'd argue moreso! :P

I prefer weak women, because I panic when women are stronger than me.


And as for physical strength, I love small women (1.50m) who look very delicate but turn out to be a real tigress in bed, strong as steel. Such as Andres' wife, who turned out surprisingly strong for her small size.

Have no idea, really.

vuk once again hard work does not equal confidence.

i dont see many ditchdiggers exuding beams of confidence.

i do see film stars with confidence and i would be loath to term what they do as even being work.

Where's the "I'm still a teenager, my hormones make me stupid around women and I lack the sellf esteme to even attempt to ask a woman out" option?

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

i do see film stars with confidence and i would be loath to term what they do as even being work.

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Hey now, making duckface for the paparazzi is hard work. :tongue2:

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Originally Posted by Vuk

I will agree that it is not necessarily as simple as A=1, but there is definitely a trend that I have observed that people who have a lot of responsibility and work hard when they are young generally have a lot more of a clue than others, and are a lot better people. (and less likely to engage in behaviors that I would consider depraved) Working hard also really builds a mindset and a set of values that I greatly value. It is not about (as Subotan was saying) what she looks like, but what she has done and how she thinks. I am not saying that women who have not had working backgrounds are bad people, but they are less likely to have the set of values, the world view, and the common sense that I really admire. I also think that they are less likely to be good people. Trials builds moral character. Hard work does that very well. It really makes the difference between someone understanding life or not understanding life IMHO.
(and yeah, I find well muscled women to be very visually pleasing as well :P)

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I am beyond skeptical of your observed trend. A few anecdotes do not data make.

I don't think being physically strong has any correlation whatsoever with good character. Nor do I think hard work is just of the physical variety.

Heck, look at all the ********** who work out all the time and look good but are complete *********.

I don't think simple hard labor really tests someone's character.

Also - why haven't you asked out the woman mentioned in the OP? ~;p

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I am beyond skeptical of your observed trend. A few anecdotes do not data make.

I don't think being physically strong has any correlation whatsoever with good character. Nor do I think hard work is just of the physical variety.

Heck, look at all the ********** who work out all the time and look good but are complete *********.

I don't think simple hard labor really tests someone's character.

Also - why haven't you asked out the woman mentioned in the OP? ~;p

CR

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Work, not working out. ~;) They are very different things.
I did not ask her out because at that time I was seeing someone, and she has a boyfriend. :P

once again since you ignored it last time your idea is false.

I Do not see many ditchdiggers walking around brimming with confidence and that is certainly work.

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Originally Posted by Centurion1

vuk once again hard work does not equal confidence.

i dont see many ditchdiggers exuding beams of confidence.

i do see film stars with confidence and i would be loath to term what they do as even being work.

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I've noticed I pretty much only agree with Cent in threads which Vuk starts.

vuk is the vehicle for our love subo

Aww an internet bromance

i prefer romance. separated by hundreds of miles and differing ideology but love nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Secura

In regards to this thread, my opinion is just as valid as a man's though; in fact, given the nature of some of the threads we see in the Frontroom, I'd argue moreso! :P

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:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Oh, as for my preference, it is neither. I prefer women who are themselves as individual free-thinking individuals.

What qualities does "strong" possess in the example? It is big muscles and physical strength? A female with a stiff-upper lip?
What qualities does "delicate" possess in the example? Some one who is very weak physically? Some one who has mental dependencies?

Where does 'cute' come into it? Where does 'smart' ? Where does 'sense of humour' ? Where does 'Loyal', 'Trustworthy' and 'Honourable' lie?

The vote is completely invalid as I am under able to discern the parameters which I assess females by.

On the other-hand choosing between...
https://img189.imageshack.us/i/anorexia67aa.jpg
https://img695.imageshack.us/i/muscle52.jpg


None of the above?

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On the other-hand choosing between...
https://img189.imageshack.us/i/anorexia67aa.jpg
https://img695.imageshack.us/i/muscle52.jpg


None of the above?

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Welcome to uncanny valley. Please do not enjoy your stay.

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Oh, as for my preference, it is neither. I prefer women who are themselves as individual free-thinking individuals.

What qualities does "strong" possess in the example? It is big muscles and physical strength? A female with a stiff-upper lip?
What qualities does "delicate" possess in the example? Some one who is very weak physically? Some one who has mental dependencies?

Where does 'cute' come into it? Where does 'smart' ? Where does 'sense of humour' ? Where does 'Loyal', 'Trustworthy' and 'Honourable' lie?

The vote is completely invalid as I am under able to discern the parameters which I assess females by.

On the other-hand choosing between...
https://img189.imageshack.us/i/anorexia67aa.jpg
https://img695.imageshack.us/i/muscle52.jpg


None of the above?

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Both disgust me and i hate women with muscles but ill be honest i would choose steroid girl............ you have to factor in the grease making her look bigger than she is and i dont want to be cleaning up throw up all the time

but i would probably go for neither

Edited out because a mod doesn't appreciate the female body.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

Where's the "I'm still a teenager, my hormones make me stupid around women and I lack the sellf esteme to even attempt to ask a woman out" option?

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I agree, I cannot participate if there is no "forever fapping" option.

So apparently given the poll options, homosexuals simply lack the ability to have a physical preference for either well-built or slim people. This is an interesting hypothesis which should be explored further.

I like every girl I met :daisy:
as long as they are willing to..... :daisy:

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Originally Posted by Sonic

I like every girl I met :daisy:
as long as they are willing to..... :daisy:

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As long as they are willing to recieve a daily bouquet? Sounds like you're quite the sweetheart. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Vuk

Work, not working out. ~;) They are very different things.
I did not ask her out because at that time I was seeing someone, and she has a boyfriend. :P

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Bah, same thing. There are plenty of people who do manual labor in their jobs and are not good people. In fact, so many as to say there's no difference in character between those who fill your definition of "work" versus everyone else.

CR

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So apparently given the poll options, homosexuals simply lack the ability to have a physical preference for either well-built or slim people. This is an interesting hypothesis which should be explored further.

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My point exactly. :P

I like women with callouses on their hands

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Negative. Edited because this is not a boy's locker-room. Female patrons should not have to put up with the sexist atmosphere and conversation you wish to promote in the Frontroom.

Hah! Reading almost every male opinion you all look for personality and intelligence first? Yah, sure. :rolleyes:

If I see a lass who is, to put in delicate terms, "ill-favored physically" then I am almost certainly not going to go after her. She could be the nicest, sweetest girl in the world, but that isn't going to change anything. I'm not trying to be mean, I am being honest, but most of you are flat out lying when you say personality/intelligence is more important. It simply is a falsehood you tout to appear "nice". :beam: What I'd prefer in an ideal world, is a balance, une femme à tout faire.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

Hah! Reading almost every male opinion you all look for personality and intelligence first? Yah, sure. :rolleyes:

If I see a lass who is, to put in delicate terms, "ill-favored physically" then I am almost certainly not going to go after her. She could be the nicest, sweetest girl in the world, but that isn't going to change anything. I'm not trying to be mean, I am being honest, but most of you are flat out lying when you say personality/intelligence is more important. It simply is a falsehood you tout to appear "nice". :beam: What I'd prefer in an ideal world, is a balance, une femme à tout faire.

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Why do you hate women?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Why do you hate women?

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Mommy never loved me.

I'm a sucker for cute/delicate girls. I'd rather have a really cute girl over Adriana Lima, and I am being serious.

That being said, I chose delicate. And with delicate, she must have brains and character.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

Hah! Reading almost every male opinion you all look for personality and intelligence first? Yah, sure. :rolleyes:

If I see a lass who is, to put in delicate terms, "ill-favored physically" then I am almost certainly not going to go after her. She could be the nicest, sweetest girl in the world, but that isn't going to change anything. I'm not trying to be mean, I am being honest, but most of you are flat out lying when you say personality/intelligence is more important. It simply is a falsehood you tout to appear "nice". :beam: What I'd prefer in an ideal world, is a balance, une femme à tout faire.

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I've already clarified my opinion on this, so I see no other reason to comment, other than to ask why you think I care how "nice" the Guild thinks I am?

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I've already clarified my opinion on this, so I see no other reason to comment, other than to ask why you think I care how "nice" the Guild thinks I am?

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To feed the id part of your ego

If I wanted flattery, I'd go to reddit and submit a post saying my cat died fighting Fox News. The frontroom is probably the last place I'd come seeking reassurances of my niceness.

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Poll lacks "Great Personality", "Large Breasts", and "Gah!".

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My first thought also.

I am slightly ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Secura

I think the thread title should have been "what characteristics generally attract you to the opposite sex?"! :P

To be honest, regardless of my partner's gender, their physical strength is irrelevant; I think that there are more important qualities to look at in a potential partner.

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Quoted because a woman's opinion is more valuable than a man's, even though men never listen.

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Originally Posted by The Mad Arab

Come on Sub. Let's get serious here. Intelligence is a huge factor for me, too, but I won't fall in love with a girl that doesn't look pretty. It's just how it works, hmm?

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'tis true

I like dark haired, fair skinned girls who are relatively slight of build and usually under 5'4", I also like them to be sweet natured.

I don't want a wet blanket.

So what we have learned is that Vuk has a thing for muscles because he equates physical and emotional strenght, and the rest of us don't.