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If you were going to spam an EB unit, which unit would you spam?
...I do not mean to say anyone should spam. All experienced players will tell you spamming is a bad idea, and, they will tell you you have to combine different unit types. But...
But, if you were going to spam on EB unit... If you thought there was one EB unit that can out-muscle all other units in the game, which unit would you spam?
weird question because you may want to spam a unit for different situations .... but if you mean the best unit to spam in general to buff an army nicely id say id go for elite phalanxs. They are good for holding a line and are more than a match for the silly AI......
Is there an economic limit? If not, a 20 Sauromatae FMs stack, trained in a city with a blacksmith. When they start to stack-up experience chevrons they are almost unstoppable.
For armies in general, Jugunthiz.
Other than that, probably Baktrian Bodyguards.
I've been very impressed with regular classical hoplites.
Because somebody had to say it: Cohorts. I don't think they can actually out-muscle everything, but I do think they make a more viable army all by themselves than some of the others mentioned here. They're numerous, have some armour-piercing missile capacity and are good on offence and defence. Unlike bodyguard cav they can defend and storm cities. And fighting battles with them would be a lot less frustrating and boring than stacks of elite phalanxes slowly poking the enemy to death. (Besides, in my game I nerfed phalanxes a bit.)
For added power I'd probably pick first cohorts, but if economy and recruitment are concerns the regular ones have that amazing AoR that would make this actually a viable army composition.
Of course, there's plenty of cohort-like troops you could use.
Alternately, if I were bored and wanted to have a bit of fun... I'd spam a full stack of silver-chevron Dacian Drapanai with weapon upgrades. (You can with the right temples etc.) And then charge them at an enemy infantry army, get out the popcorn, and wait until the chopping stops.
I'd be very afraid of horse-archer armies, though.
Parthian Noble medium cavalry. to be frank I do spam them to some extent: give every new FM a unit of them on the way, use them instead of normal HAs, as multi purpose cavalry. I even think I have no army without at least one of these guys(save retraining armies as they can be trained quite close to the front :) )
classical hoplites are nice aswell.
well or just Pedexes^^
I spammed four full stacks of levy hopilites in my KH file to fight the general around Eburonum. Wanted to see if weight of numbers was better than silver chevrons...and they were.
Why did you nerfed phalanxes? What changes did you make?Quote:
Originally Posted by Randal
If you had not "nerfed phalanxes", and if you were not "bored by elite phalanxes slowly poking the enemy to death", can I safely asume you would spam elite phalanxes?
One last question, do you consider triarii an elite unit?
Nerfed: Reduced shield value from 5 (more than Hoplites!) to 2 (That's what others with a shield that size have) because phalanxes in their current incarnation are virtually immune to missiles and far too good even when their formation is broken up. Neither ability is historical. They get +1 defence skill to still make it hard to kill them from the front in mêlée.
And no, I still wouldn't spam elite phalanxes because while they're virtually indestructible it's still a unit that really benefits from combined arms. If I disregarded all that and just wanted the most killing power they would be a contender, but heavily-armoured nomad horse-archers would be an even better choice because they're just as powerful and a lot more manoeuvrable and actually capable of killing skirmishers and the like.
Triarii: Camillan, yes. Polybian, no.
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Pandotapoi Phalangitai... dirt cheap and effective...
1) Dahae Riders - Cheap HAs with nice charge, doesn't get much better than that.
2) Marian/Imperial Cohorts - Auto-calculate this!
3) Slingers!!!!!!!!!!!!
Belgic Minhalt! RABO!
Indian archers. Can't beat 'em.
Infantry: Bataroas
Cavalry: Aorsi/Scythian Riders
The Indian longbowmen? I haven't used them yet, but according to the unit-viewer they have a very small quiver and only moderate range and attack. 16 arrows instead of 35 for Kretans... doesn't sound very useful to me. Even those nasty swords they have can't make up for that, can it?
Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi. As long as I didn't run into any substantial HA army, I wouldn't have a care in the world as far as EB is concerned.
oh yes they can, everytime the enemy goes for them and is all like "BWAHAHA I HAS GOT UR ARCHERZ IN MEEELII!!!!111" they get out their ... uhm... swords and kill off the unsuspicious foe :DQuote:
Even those nasty swords they have can't make up for that, can it?
I once had an army 50/50 Tracian Elite infantry and Tracian Prodromoi. did not prove too efficient an army but at least was a lot of fun running them into the back of the Seleucid Host.
No Leuce Epos?Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Full stack of Indian Elephants, what could go wrong?:2thumbsup:
panic running amok realising you just spent enough gold to feed 100 armies just to see them halved in numbers in the 1st batle against an army based on akontistai and thats just from the top of my headQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Jazzy
Why would he? The horse archer has much better range and also quite the same underhand short spear to charge with, and a shield!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
If economy isn't a problem I would go with this:
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/units...ai_argyras.gif
Not even HA spam can beat that...
If money would be the issue:
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/units...aka_riders.gif
Or an equivalent.
~Fluvius
Horse Archer spam is of course great and for some factions almost realistic. But my favourite early on spam when I need reliability is the Jews. Sending ~3000 angry Jews charging at an enemy will solve many problems. Also for the Hay, Pontus, AS and Ptolomey's the Jewish spearmen recruitment zone is right in the middle of some big fighting regions.
Well worth the cost.
*insert any catass armoured horse archers-lancers* -> PWN EVERYTHING
KILL THE JEWZ!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blxz
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
Don't go there. Just don't.
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Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
yupz, the Jews are still decent in numbers, have much better statistics than germanic counterparts, and they have some real armour to shrug most small stratches off easily. As long as you keep some decent cavalry and missile supports, the Jews are unstoppable. Sweboz troops stands no chance against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ludens
Back on the rails...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
Thureophoroi - yes, they are rather mediocre, but with formation micromanagement and careful positioning (interlocking 'firefields', height advantage,...) they alone are more than a match for most opponents - except perhaps HAs... :wink2:
hoplitai haploi... best cheapest unit lol, always a solid cheap backup.
TAB.
At first my Celtic pride didn't want to believe you but in my Macedonian campaign my Dahae horse archers came up against merc Ptolemy Leuce Epos and massacred them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
This strikes me as kind of amazing that you should say that. Sweboz troops can easily be produced with between 2 to 4 chevrons; even Chatti clubmen, with a mere 169 upkeep one of the cheapest units in the game, will probably break even with Jewish spearmen when levied with 4 chevs due to the AP clubs. Dugundiz, Celto-Germanic spearmen, Baltic Axemen, Oskywie swordsmen, and Sweboz clubmen (Slagonez) are all a match for Jewish Spearmen when chev'd up. Have you ever experienced the unbreakable morale of a 3 and 4 chevron Sweboz army?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
As for the original poster's question, I would second Olaf's recommendation of Jugundiz. Dacian skirmishers and Luso Ambushers are also very good in spam armies. They can frustrate most armies and really drag out the battle with their large numbers, extreme ease of recruitment, very cheap cost, hiding abilities, javelin skirmishing, good chevrons/high morale, and lethality on the flanks. Since HA armies can't beat them in the forest the main vulnerability of Jugundiz is versus high armor infantry like Romans and quality phalanxes in the open field. Somewhere around 257 the Sweboz should be able to start spamming tier 1/2 infantry very aggressively and overflowing the forests of Germania with 2+ chevron Jugundiz, levy spears, and archers. It's a pretty strong army system.
Fullstack Roxolani Nobles of course :D, extreme charge AND arrows, who could want more?
if you bring some missile supports in form of Syrian or Cretan archers, sweboz troops are done for :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geticus
yeah, I'm used to fancy them, really, but found my head banging when my Sweboz expeditionary force perished in Asia Minor (well... having take all over the central and western europe :D