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I`m playing Warlord Edition and I notice that AI does not uses ports for attack, but I can attack them in their distant ports. Is there something wrong with my version or they are not programed for that. How to fix this?
I have played only Sengoku Jidai campaign.
Hi and welcome to the forums. Its normal. The AI in warlord edition does use the port raid option - but very very rarely. I've seen it twice happening and i've had my fair share of campaigns. To be honest with you, i dont use port raids, as i consider it an exploit.
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Originally Posted by gollum
The AI does rarely use port raiding, but not often. When it does it can come as a huge surprise and lose you the campaign if your "backwater" provinces are not well defended.
I would not consider it an exploit if used to counter the Hojo hoard issue, but then I'm one of those people who consider the Hojo hoard a fun spoiler rather than a challenge.
I, on the other hand, love the Hojo horde. Especially in the original game where its bigger.
I'd be more tolerant of the purple monstrosity if the game allowed you to save in the middle of a battle, but its hard for me to get enough time at a strech for huge battles, except maybe if I limit myself to one game turn per session, which I don't like to do. Even if I had plenty of time, I don't really want an epic battle every turn any more than I want a huge banquet every time I eat. But I would like to know what you like about it. The drama of fighting battles when you are heavily outnumbered by wave after wave?
You get huge battles every turn if you develop slow enough and give the Hojo time to grow to the point you get the battles you speak of, which are indeed tedius. I play the Sengoku campaign in full rush mode - when i want a slower game i play medieval. In full rush mode you basically horde on the horde and there is a hell of a lot of challenge in doing that, because to reach that stage you need to take risks financially as well as on the field in the early/middle early game. That's the part of a TW campaign i enjoy best: every koku, every battle counts and things are on the line.
Check out Maltz's stories for rush tactics and strategy. There is a link in the stickies here in the sword dojo.
The hojo horde are not an issue in STW MI/WI 1.02 - if you dislike the phenomenon then play that version.
Another way to reduce tediousness of battles is to play in huge. You get less units to play with and less reinforcement. However, you need wider camera swipes to see the field and that in large battles can be an issue if you aren't used to it and also your units are less maneuvrable and so battles become more strategic and less tactical.
Actually I think Large (100) is better than Huge (120) for keeping the numbers down, since you can only recruit 50 men per season rather than 60. It makes for a very interesting game in the early stages and less numbers in battles at the end.
I've played on huge in both STW and MTW from the start, so that's what I'm used to, but huge adds a different dimension to unit training as units take two seasons to raise. In "per season" terms that 100 men per season on large and 60 per season (as one unit every two seasons) on huge.
It's all horses for courses however - there is no "correct" way.
Absolutely - there is no right way.
But 100 man units also take two seasons to recruit (at least in STW). The 80 man units only take one season. So in turns of speed of manpower recruitment quickest to slowest goes 80, 120=60, 100. This means that the slowest horde build up is with 100 man units all other things being equal.
Of course it is somewhat more complicated as more men recruited means more men die in battle, and retraining also factors in (at least for the human player) being easier/quicker on 100 and 120 as it still only takes one season - hence you can actually retrain very small units faster than you can recruit new units... you still have to take movement to and from the front lines into account though. Also garrisons are larger with larger units so koku is tighter.
Personally, I like the tactical battlemap manueverability of the 60 man units but the strategic pacing and possibilities of the 100 man units. (I never play with 80 now.) With 100 you can, for a large part of the game, get better manueverability by not reinforcing your units. Of course facing end game hordes this is no longer very wise to do. :yes:
I haven't played STW in several years so I decided to fire up a game and clean the rust off. It's a 1530 start date as Uesugi. Shimazu is already over-running the southern half of the map and decided I made an enticing target. He sent quite a sizable force on a port attack into Echigo. In the past, I've seen the AI send small forces on port raids but retreat before battle can be joined, so this is a first...sending a major force led by an heir.
Needless to say, I'm not that rusty....not a single soldier made it home to the wife and kids:laugh4:
Oh...and I'm returning the favor in spades.....hordes of high-level shinobi are causing mass rebellions throughout his rear areas:grin:
Wow, don't think I've ever seen that myself. Nice to see the AI take a risk for once (even if it didn't work out)!
The strangest part of it was that his port raids didn't count on the screen that shows who's at war with whom:shrug:
I don't check that screen every turn so several turns later when I decided to return the "favor" I got the message about 'do you wish to attack a neutral faction'? Hmmmm....I thought we were already at war.........
...........well if we weren't, we are now:laugh4:
It's a rather "wild" guess; but as the raid was by sea and they all got killed - perhaps it was "considered" that they were "lost at sea" ( sunk in a storm ) ??!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Or - maybe it was considered a "Pirate" raid and therefore not an "official" attack.
[ Do you get a "Do you wish to make War" message for a Port raid ( I can't recall )? If not then I guess it's correct that it does not count. If you do.... ?!?! ]
It happened again in a different campaign...Shimazu again (in fact, for all the times I've seen the AI do a port raid, it's always been Shimazu...never any other clan:shrug:).
This time I checked the diplomatic screen and it said we were now at war, but....a few turns later when I attacked one of his provinces, I again got the message "Do you wish to attack a neutral clan?". One of those STW oddities, I guess:shrug:
The diplomatic status does seem like an 'oddity'.
I have had Hojo make a port attack against me in the past. And I am pretty sure it was Uesegi who did it to me once as well. Both times were mid-end game and I had left unprotected territory behind my war front. Mind you they are the only two times I have ever experienced this. I basically assume that it won't happen.
Have you installed a different patch/version recently? Just wondering if that's what triggered this.
No. It's the same version I've been playing for years [Sold Out Warlord Edition] patched to 1.02. The only other modifications are the replacement of the original Owari map with a version that eliminates the group of buildings on the opposite side of the river, and some troop stat modifications along with the "No-geisha" and "No BFN" changes to the building preference file.Quote:
Have you installed a different patch/version recently?
My memory is failing me, but port raids can only occur if the invader has an agent in the target province...? I can't remember if your counter spies can counter that as well. We have over 10 years of archives here is you're tempted to search...Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Well if you have no common borders with them, then perhaps - auto ceasefire?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
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I would assume that's the case....Quote:
port raids can only occur if the invader has an agent in the target province...?
Again, I would assume that to be the case, but...the diplo screen still shows a state of war exists so..... :shrug:Quote:
then perhaps - auto ceasefire?
The status on the diplomatic parchment can go a bit out of sync in STW, especially in situations where a war begins and ends quickly due to contact (mutual borders) being lost, etc - apart from that, no clue...
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Yes, I remember noticing that too ( lack of sync that is, not sure re the rest )...Quote:
Originally Posted by asai
That ( and my garrisons ) may well explain why I have never had one launched by the AI in my games.Quote:
Originally Posted by asai
However, this "rule" only applies to the AI, right ?? As I do not recall always having an agent present....
You must have an agent of some sorts...shinobi, ninja, or emissary present in the province before you can send an army from one of your ports to one of an enemy (or enemy-to-be:laugh4:).Quote:
However, this "rule" only applies to the AI, right ?? As I do not recall always having an agent present....
Are you sure? I thought it was enough if you had put an agent in the target province at one time, even if the agent has left or been killed since then.
Positive. Try it without an agent and see:shrug:Quote:
Are you sure?
I could have sworn I'd done it before, but I tested and you are right.
Thank you for confirming that this old farts' memory isn't failing him like some of his other body parts:laugh4:
While proving that my own memory is failing. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Speaking of "old farts," I wonder if STW and other classic games are going the same way that bridge and bingo went. Games only the people in the old folks home play anymore.
That's not impossible. I am usually aware of what is in a province when I attack it, so I guess I must have had an Emissary present.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
How about the "Agent" abilities of Border Watch Towers or Border Forts? Do these "work" for port attacks (can't recall yes or no)?
I know you have tested this since you posted and have realised your error, but this :surprised: seems a tad optimistic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandy Blue
The game is 12 years old and, as with medieval, has problems running on newer hardware/OS so yes it's just a few dedicated old farts running it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandy Blue
No, they do not. You have to physically have an agent of some sort, in province.Quote:
How about the "Agent" abilities of Border Watch Towers or Border Forts? Do these "work" for port attacks
Hey Reluctant Samurai, I think I know the answer of this one!
If you lose the border contact with a clan you are at at war with, the diplomatic status returns to Neutral.
For example, if there is another clan between you and Shimazu so you have no border contact, and you defeat their naval amphibious operation to your port, things will turn to neutral again.
This rule applies if you simply lose border contact with an enemy after a land battle as well.
But, if memory serves:annoyed:...I've lost border contact with a clan that I was at war with, and remained at war until a diplomatic agreement was reached:shrug:Quote:
If you lose the border contact with a clan you are at at war with, the diplomatic status returns to Neutral.
The puzzling part to all of this is the port raid from a neutral faction. Even if the invasion force stays to fight, the diplo screen says they are neutral after the battle. But...if I return the favor, then we are officially at war~D
I am pretty sure about the neutrality situation. Yes, if they try to invade you by sea, and you win at the end, you will remain neutral with them ^_^ If that's what you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
Just in case I should check this case again, I still have my old STW installed :)
You could very well be right:shrug: It's been a long time since I've had a situation like that.
As do I~D....although I don't play nearly as often as I used to.Quote:
I still have my old STW installed
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