Possible bug, port attack.

[ReluctantSamurai]

The strangest part of it was that his port raids didn't count on the screen that shows who's at war with whom

I don't check that screen every turn so several turns later when I decided to return the "favor" I got the message about 'do you wish to attack a neutral faction'? Hmmmm....I thought we were already at war.........

...........well if we weren't, we are now

[DEB8]

The strangest part of it was that his port raids didn't count on the screen that shows who's at war with whom

I don't check that screen every turn so several turns later when I decided to return the "favor" I got the message about 'do you wish to attack a neutral faction'? Hmmmm....I thought we were already at war.........

...........well if we weren't, we are now

It's a rather "wild" guess; but as the raid was by sea and they all got killed - perhaps it was "considered" that they were "lost at sea" ( sunk in a storm ) ??!!

Or - maybe it was considered a "Pirate" raid and therefore not an "official" attack.

[ Do you get a "Do you wish to make War" message for a Port raid ( I can't recall )? If not then I guess it's correct that it does not count. If you do.... ?!?! ]

[ReluctantSamurai]

It happened again in a different campaign...Shimazu again (in fact, for all the times I've seen the AI do a port raid, it's always been Shimazu...never any other clan).

This time I checked the diplomatic screen and it said we were now at war, but....a few turns later when I attacked one of his provinces, I again got the message "Do you wish to attack a neutral clan?". One of those STW oddities, I guess

[feelotraveller]

The diplomatic status does seem like an 'oddity'.

I have had Hojo make a port attack against me in the past. And I am pretty sure it was Uesegi who did it to me once as well. Both times were mid-end game and I had left unprotected territory behind my war front. Mind you they are the only two times I have ever experienced this. I basically assume that it won't happen.

Have you installed a different patch/version recently? Just wondering if that's what triggered this.

[ReluctantSamurai]

Have you installed a different patch/version recently?

No. It's the same version I've been playing for years [Sold Out Warlord Edition] patched to 1.02. The only other modifications are the replacement of the original Owari map with a version that eliminates the group of buildings on the opposite side of the river, and some troop stat modifications along with the "No-geisha" and "No BFN" changes to the building preference file.

[caravel]

It happened again in a different campaign...Shimazu again (in fact, for all the times I've seen the AI do a port raid, it's always been Shimazu...never any other clan).

My memory is failing me, but port raids can only occur if the invader has an agent in the target province...? I can't remember if your counter spies can counter that as well. We have over 10 years of archives here is you're tempted to search...

This time I checked the diplomatic screen and it said we were now at war, but....a few turns later when I attacked one of his provinces, I again got the message "Do you wish to attack a neutral clan?". One of those STW oddities, I guess

Well if you have no common borders with them, then perhaps - auto ceasefire?

[ReluctantSamurai]

port raids can only occur if the invader has an agent in the target province...?

I would assume that's the case....

then perhaps - auto ceasefire?

Again, I would assume that to be the case, but...the diplo screen still shows a state of war exists so.....

[caravel]

The status on the diplomatic parchment can go a bit out of sync in STW, especially in situations where a war begins and ends quickly due to contact (mutual borders) being lost, etc - apart from that, no clue...

[DEB8]

The status on the diplomatic parchment can go a bit out of sync in STW, especially in situations where a war begins and ends quickly due to contact (mutual borders) being lost, etc - apart from that, no clue...

Yes, I remember noticing that too ( lack of sync that is, not sure re the rest )...

[DEB8]

My memory is failing me, but port raids can only occur if the invader has an agent in the target province...?

That ( and my garrisons ) may well explain why I have never had one launched by the AI in my games.
However, this "rule" only applies to the AI, right ?? As I do not recall always having an agent present....

[ReluctantSamurai]

However, this "rule" only applies to the AI, right ?? As I do not recall always having an agent present....

You must have an agent of some sorts...shinobi, ninja, or emissary present in the province before you can send an army from one of your ports to one of an enemy (or enemy-to-be).

[Brandy Blue]

Are you sure? I thought it was enough if you had put an agent in the target province at one time, even if the agent has left or been killed since then.

[DEB8]

You must have an agent of some sorts...shinobi, ninja, or emissary present in the province before you can send an army from one of your ports to one of an enemy (or enemy-to-be).

That's not impossible. I am usually aware of what is in a province when I attack it, so I guess I must have had an Emissary present.

How about the "Agent" abilities of Border Watch Towers or Border Forts? Do these "work" for port attacks (can't recall yes or no)?

[Yesugey]

Hey Reluctant Samurai, I think I know the answer of this one!

If you lose the border contact with a clan you are at at war with, the diplomatic status returns to Neutral.

For example, if there is another clan between you and Shimazu so you have no border contact, and you defeat their naval amphibious operation to your port, things will turn to neutral again.

This rule applies if you simply lose border contact with an enemy after a land battle as well.

[ReluctantSamurai]

If you lose the border contact with a clan you are at at war with, the diplomatic status returns to Neutral.

But, if memory serves...I've lost border contact with a clan that I was at war with, and remained at war until a diplomatic agreement was reached

The puzzling part to all of this is the port raid from a neutral faction. Even if the invasion force stays to fight, the diplo screen says they are neutral after the battle. But...if I return the favor, then we are officially at war

[Yesugey]

But, if memory serves...I've lost border contact with a clan that I was at war with, and remained at war until a diplomatic agreement was reached

The puzzling part to all of this is the port raid from a neutral faction. Even if the invasion force stays to fight, the diplo screen says they are neutral after the battle. But...if I return the favor, then we are officially at war

I am pretty sure about the neutrality situation. Yes, if they try to invade you by sea, and you win at the end, you will remain neutral with them ^_^ If that's what you mean?

Just in case I should check this case again, I still have my old STW installed :)

[ReluctantSamurai]

You could very well be right It's been a long time since I've had a situation like that.

I still have my old STW installed

As do I....although I don't play nearly as often as I used to.