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Hello!
First of all: i know EBII will be released when ready!
I just would like to know what will be the release plan.
Is still the Gaza campaign planned to be released before EBII? Like some kind of demo..
What's the time schedule now?
I say again, i'm not asking a release date, just an idea based on progress done so far: we could see EBII or Gaza campaign released before 2013? Is this possible?
Thank you very much!!!
I can't comment on the release date I am afraid, although as soon as it is ready it will be released. There were plans to release the Gaza Campaign as a teaser, however it was recently brought to the team's attention that another MTWII mod had been stealing material from EB and the EBII previews in order to flesh out that mod's units. Action has since been taken and the mod in question has, we hope, had its forum shut down. However the fact this mod had got as far as it did from using the old EB material and EBII previews alone has meant that the team is highly unlikely to release the Gaza Campaign before EBII is ready for fear of this mod (or others) stealing more material and hence credit from the skinners, modellers and artists who spent so long producing it.
I should also like to add that I (and the rest of the team) will not reveal the name of the mod which was stealing material, the last thing we want is for thieves to receive more credit by people seeking them out, even if it is only out of curiosity.
That's really disappointing, on several levels.
Stealing from previews?
Previews, Eb1, RS2 und so weiter...
Just to clear up something, we actually ditched the Gaza campaign because it was the personal project of a team member who subsequently left and no none felt it was worth continuing as it detracted from our work on the main mod.
oh, I did not know that. Sad to hear, on the other hand I wasn't as fond of the motto anyhow. So now you are planning to make a full(as in most factions, original map size etc.) release as a first release?
Imitation and flattery spring to mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
Argh! Well good to know that the main release gets all the resources, but the Gaza tutorial was a very neat idea ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Without consent and credit? Not kewl XDQuote:
Originally Posted by SoFarSoGood
Sounds smart. I remember thinking earlier on (as in, years ago) that the idea of the gaza campaign wasn't very good. A (slightly) different time and focus meant that resources were being diverted away. Plus, i am not very interested in what I imagined would be the focus. Good luck though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
As for people stealing material...regardless on my views of the Gaza Campaign, I would think that actually getting something released rather than just holding off would actually be better. Once you have some real content out there as opposed to potential vaporware then there is a real presence in the community and people would be less willing or at least less able to steal something and get away with it.
Yep. ~200 unique units and other features.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ca Putt
argh!
i was hoping for some news...
For comparison's sake, how many did EB1 release with? I only jumped on board with 1.2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tux
the latest updates seem very promissing ^^ particulary the undisclosed arevaci faction altough if one ponders the new tribal sistem it will probably be the celtiberians with arevaci leading them
I started playing with 0.74. There were no Saka Rauka or Saba. Some factions were unplayable and some, like Pontos, only had basic units. EB was very incomplete, and campaign breaking CTD's and bugs were common.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaciaJC
What did I miss? Can you give me a link to that statement?(not that I would not believe you, I'm just keen on reading it myself)Quote:
particulary the undisclosed arevaci faction altough if one ponders the new tribal sistem it will probably be the celtiberians with arevaci leading them
He was paraphrasing the new post in the Dev-Blog :)
Very early 0.7x had the Yeuzhi as a playable faction. There was much debate about whether they were historically that far west at the start of the game. In 0.74 they were removed but no other faction filled that faction slot. I think it was 0.8 that Saka and Saba were implemented, and the Yuezhi were downgraded from playable faction to a couple scripted armies in later versions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuuvi
undisclosed means the developers team haven´introduced it yet i just tend to believe that it´s the arevaci the leading tribe of numantia and the celtiberiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Ca Putt
i also remember the very first public release, despite the game breaking ctd's and incomplete factions.... i found it still better than any other mod out there!! That release prompted me in the future to actually join the forums instead of being a souless lurker for years!!!!
Yea I remember that, they were the first faction I tried. They were incomplete and not playable though, they only had a couple of units you could recruit and horse archers were really expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Edward
ah, my bad. I read disclosed. Apart from that, That would be my hunch aswell.Quote:
undisclosed means the developers team haven´introduced it yet i just tend to believe that it´s the arevaci the leading tribe of numantia and the celtiberians
As much as i love europa barbarorum from the years iv spent playing it to the people on the forums i feel let down by EB 2's over all progress, i mean rome 2 will be out before it!, theirs been barely any updates on whats going on and so much of the community has adrift, my general feeling is that the mod has almost been forgot about, i remember thinking in 2009 "i cant wait for the mod its so exciting", then every week checking the forums for news, iv barely been on for the last year and things havnt changed, actually they have its just go quieter :S sorry to put things so dull but its just how i feel :(((( i really hope things start moving faster because it really feels like no 1 involved in the making of this mod is interested any more :S. enjoy summer and i hope we canhave EB2 in 2013..... :S
So you had no idea that any of this existed?
Don't eat a half cooked chicken.
The EB II forums can get pretty quiet sometimes, but if you check the twitter thread, previews, and the new dev blog you'll see that they've made a lot of progress since you were last active. I think the reason EB II is taking a lot longer than EB I is because they're doing a lot more with it than they did with EB I, plus there are 10 more factions that have to be researched and created. I also think that the initial release is going to be a lot more complete than the first release of EB I, which was only partly playable. And if you remember from one of the early stela, they are building this one from the ground up.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionhard
I get the feeling that EB II is going to be released sooner rather than later, because it seems like a lot has been finished.
I'm certain it'll be out before Rome 2, as well (which itself is being released only in fall-winter 2013, quite some time away).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuuvi
Can never be certain of anything. I expect sources backing up this statement. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaciaJC
considering the speed at wich the game is being moded and considering the hardship of trying to manipulate it unleass some new tools come out i won´t be expecting a "full" release before 2014 maybe they can send out some mini missions like the mediterranean world or the western world mini games or something but the full release i have too many doubts all the work as probably been scheduled but people have a tendency to forget that just because it´s doable it can go faster and programing is something that is very dull and takes it´s times
it´s like building a house every brick must go into their proper place and that normally takes alot of time even if it´s not breathtaking original mindbogling work it´s still part of the process and it´s still time consuming
Don't be sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by moonburn
Insider info. Sorry, can't compromise my sources. :lipsrsealed2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blxz
I don't post often but I lurk a lot.
I don't care if it does take until 2015/6 or whenever to release the mod as the forum is entertainment itself. It is the only non sports/news website I check pretty much daily so no 'let down' here.
Then like any true scientist I am going to have to discount your theory until the sources can be confirmed. Not that it matters. Its all a bit of fun as Olly said.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaciaJC
I am sorry to hear the Gaza campaign has been abandoned. It seemed like a good idea to test-run EB2, but I understand that without someone pushing for it, it turned into a timesink.
yea good luck releasing a stable mod without alpha or beta testing with a wide range of configurations beforehand. Developers dont do that for fun you know. This will be more of a mess than EB1 for years after 'release', if it even gets to that.
I am in no way saying this as an insult, as I used to be a very big fan of EB, but this project is pretty much vapourware. Last update on the website was over 1 1/2 years ago, previews and updates are constantly dwindling. We're down to maybe seeing a couple of WIP models/textures being tweeted. Its signs like these that reaffirm what many others believe as well, that this project will most likely not be completed.
i do keep checking back every few months in hopes that someone with proper understanding of software development has taken the reins.
go ahead and tell me that its the historical research and that it takes time but many people accomplish more in 3-4 years and yes many do it for free.
...but hopefully I'm wrong, because I would like to play a game like EB2.
Uhh, the last large preview was approximately 4 months back revealing Naebatea (sp?). We all know Tux has been working his :daisy: off on some of the eye candy for the mod and there have actually been a lot of limited visual previews over the last few months. It is most likely scripting and coding that is slowing the release down (as EB has always been at the forefront of mods which test engine limits) but I have no doubt that the mod will see light of day sometime in the near future overseen by the current team. This is their labor of love and it doesn't deserve such pessimism.
I think this verges on trolling, frankly. What possible purpose could there be for coming onto the site to write what is (for all claims that it is not) insulting/derogatory and misinformed (as Brave Brave Sir Robin pointed out) drivel. There are alot of new and integral game-play mechanisms and the coding for all of that, the many, many all new units and other models (at a level commensurate with the EB team's standards).... these were always going to quieten things down in terms of progress reports.
I have little doubt, unlike the "many others" (weasel words) and yourself, that EB2 is alive and kicking. I have seen nothing that has given me any reason to doubt it.
Im sorry i didnt realize that this forum was for praises only.
And if you are really that interested in who else thinks that this may be vapourware, please add me on steam and I will forward you names. Or maybe we could start a poll here? But i wouldn't think that would be appropriate.
A good quality game, even mods, will last the test of time as long as they release. Games such as alpha centauri or Moo2 still remain one of my favourite titles. We still have EB battles once in a while at our LANs, but have some gripes with the RTW engine that the 2nd iteration(M2TW) has resolved. For example the use of same textures for all soldiers in a unit, and wacky glitches with phalanx units.
Call me a troll and ill politely ask you to pull your head out of your ass. Not sure if you know the meaning of insulting/derogatory. Look up vapourware while you're at it too. Last preview I can find was almost 6 months ago(03-31-12, 15:16). Yes, I am pessimistic, but I dont doubt the quality of their work.
Anyways, like I said before, I hope EB2 releases whenever that may be.
It is, but it also offers a means for fans to offer constructive criticism to the team (and each other). The forums is a great way to discuss facts by presenting arguements in a constructive manner as well as resources to support or refute claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elthore
I can recognise your impatience in between previews, which I share with you as a fan and not a team member. However, it is important to always understand that the team has real life commitments which perhaps take away time from modding. There's no doubt of the quality and skill of the EB team and you cannot disagree with the quality of their previews, however these things do take time.
I disagree, however I respect that this is your opinion. Enough members are active on these forums, twitter and in the frontroom (etc) to suggest that the mod is indeed being worked on. These members (as I'm lead to believe) have their own hidden sub forum dedicated to EBII's development. I believe the project will be completed, when will it be in an entirely different question. Putting a 'release date' on a project would only dissapoint fans should the tight schedule not be met, and cause unnecessary team grief and stress (after all it is a free fan mod!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elthore
The team is always looking for help, if you have spare time (which is the basis of this mod, 'spare time from RL') the team are always looking for people to showcase their modding/scripting/skinning/research skills to help them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elthore
Judging by some of the announcements about tools and updates, the team understands software development quite well. They just prefer to limit the number of releases and do most of the work in their private forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elthore
Your message may not be intended as an insult, but it does come across as hostile. I agree it's gone (too) quiet here, but this is not the right way to ask for more releases.
That's why we would release an alpha or beta at all: so people other than us may test it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elthore
Last release was the 17th.Quote:
I am in no way saying this as an insult, as I used to be a very big fan of EB, but this project is pretty much vapourware. Last update on the website was over 1 1/2 years ago, previews and updates are constantly dwindling. We're down to maybe seeing a couple of WIP models/textures being tweeted. Its signs like these that reaffirm what many others believe as well, that this project will most likely not be completed.
I suppose you have this proper understanding of software engineering, do you? So tell me, then: how would this "fix" things? Please don't give me generic, non specific, vague hand wavy, dreamland fantasy story in which proper planning and meticulous execution somehow combine to magically present the solution to any problem. I've heard those love stories before (I attended classes, you see) and like any good love story they are all a misty eyed, wishful, self-deceiving lie. No Mr. Right does not exist, there will be no knight in shiny armour, and software engineering only ever hits 20/20 when blessed with liberal amounts of hindsight.Quote:
i do keep checking back every few months in hopes that someone with proper understanding of software development has taken the reins.
Well luckily it's not. But by the same token, whoever wrote that your post was drivel is free not to praise you either. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elthore
I admit my English may be fallible and I may be reading more into/between the lines than you intended but this is not how I would have understood your post hadn't you posted your little "disclaimer" there.Quote:
I dont doubt the quality of their work.
EB 2 must be out by Thanksgiving or the masses will riot! :laugh4:
It undoubtledly will be, since you kindly didn't put a year on that.
welcome to the forum!
wouldn't that be a bit extreme? :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonman
frankly, EB's mod team should continue with it's policy on release dates: It's done when it's done, as many here have already said.
Something about this post and EB II in general reminds me about Duke Nukem Forever... :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
Ah well, that one got made eventually, so we still have hope! :2thumbsup:
(Sound of teeth gritting) I will explain why in years to come when I am allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
Never fear, this mod will not die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilkku92
I think he was referring to the fact that the game took too long, and when it was released, it was an anticlimax...I think :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
I'm totally onboard whenever the EB II ship sails into port. To all those posters who were/are concerned about development delays I'd like to direct you to the EBNOM sub-forum...
Actually I was just referring to the game simply taking very long, not it proving a disappointment in the end. I'm too much of an optimist for that. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
There really should be a smiley for shrugging...
We have one, actually. Just type : shrug : without the spaces:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilkku92
:shrug:
That's what we like to hear !Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
Keep up the good work lads !
Satyros
Well we now have our first Roman building.
With some very nice custom graffiti on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brennus
Right, Brennus? :rolleyes:
Romanes Eunt Domus
Depending on the government type
Mithridates, I really wasn't expecting him to put it on the model. I like it though.
Maern, Romani eta domun.
This is the kind of cool stuff that one would expect to see in a project like this. It is brilliant, more so because government type is taken into consideration. Shared it with non EB ppl and the totally got it too. Brilliant, guys!