I mean, are they serious?
What happens when they go belly up and Der Fuher gets the shetlands?
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I mean, are they serious?
What happens when they go belly up and Der Fuher gets the shetlands?
Der Fuher?
They don't. Despite the image given from Mel Gibson.
They are an equal partner.
As it should be.
what ?! when ?! really ?! ah! Damn British, i mean Great Britain only used Scotland for taxes and manpower for war & colonization.i hope Scottish people be free from the 350 years of colonization!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Hope freedom & independence for Scotland & Kurdistan, thw two torned & colonized nation by the bloody hands of Great Britain!! but not the only ones!!
we have yet to see if they really do want independence - right now opinion polls say they don't so...
I thought it was the Scottish Crown that inherited the English one.
Independence is always sought even when it's not thought.
i think Great Britain is Deceiting the world, becuz they know the Scotts dont have anythin now to be independent and have Scotland for 350 years so the Scots abandoned resistance and lost hope, and the new generation doesnt care!!
yes !! you know, Great Britain is called OLD FOX now,
so why they dont do that in NORTH IRELAND ?!!!!! they wanted independence or scotland ???!!!
oh my god!! how much talented and expert at decieving is this Old FOX !!
Good lord man, your first sentence wasn't even decipherable.
As for the irish they already have independence; it's called the Republic of Ireland, they want out they merely have to walk over the border.
And what if Northern Ireland don't get independence? What do you suggest should happen then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Gah! What a mess this whole thing is. I am staunchly pro-Union, but I am not engaging with the national debate on this topic because I don't like what I am hearing from either side, and I reject all the language and axioms that their arguments rest upon. I also won't vote in the referendum.
There's no reason for things to go belly up. Depending on the outcome of the North Sea oil controversy, Scotland could actually be financially better off independent of England. If the outcome doesn't go Scotland's way, it would be a bit worse off. Not sure what you mean about Shetland, it wouldn't have a better claim to most of the oil than mainland Scotland - oil aside, I don't think anybody would notice if Shetland left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Well in 1603 a Scottish monarch became King of England, but there never was a union of the crowns. For our purposes, the relevant date is 1707, when acts were passed by both the English and Scottish Parliaments, ultimately abolishing the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Scotland has never been colonised by Great Britain (by which I guess you mean, England).Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Do you know that a Union was first proposed by the Scots? They actually tried to force England to create a British state about 50 years before it actually happened (Cromwell's short-lived creation aside) - look at the 1643 Solemn League and Covenant the Scots signed with the English Parliament, and the 1648 Engagement they signed with Charles II.
The whole idea of a British identity originated in Scotland, and was consolidated by the plantation in Ulster. For hundreds of years people in Scotland and England saw themselves as British. That is why Scottish independence is wrong - carving up Britain would be like carving up Kurdistan!
Oh, and the Referendum is going to be on the 18th of September next year.
It is because the Tories got in power and no one in Scotland likes the Tories (or UKIP).
isnt that Colonization?! Scotland was free from the pre history to 1600 AD....!!! and suddenly the English Imperialist occupy it forever!! and made them to be completely dependent to the English Crown !! so they think twice when they want freedom & Independence !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
i know that Scottish Colonization is very smoother and English have given at least some rights for the Scots.not like the rest of the world.its ok you dont hate them, but your thoughts isnt: no feeling to your race or homeland !!! sorry for William Wallace that gaved his life that may next generations continue his way, but, english imperialists have their mind & life & Resources fully in their hands !! what these FreeMason Imperialists have been made of!! i regard them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
and how you compare Britain to Kurdistan ?! i dont think Welsh or Irish or Scottish Language and Race have any connection and major similarity to English !?!?!
i told about this referendum, the English crown is deceiving the world, i think you must read history, the poor Irish people Gaved too many lifes and suffered much time in English Jail and did too many strikes, that only to get freedom from 350 years of colonization & Oppression of English Tyranny, and after the republic of Ireland, northern Ireland was excluded from Freedom, and from that time then, they recoursed to rise arms and be aggressive, for the most basic of their Nationalistic rights, and that was mostly suppressed due to lack of supports and US aids to English Crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
and why i said English Crown is Deceiving the world? because the most freedom & Independence seeker is Northern Ireland and then Wales(weakly), not Controlled Scotland !!
if they are really interested in giving freedom & Independence, they must do that in Northern Ireland and Wales too and in Priority!!!! but they dont !! and this show, the refereandum, its only a Deception !!
I'd would like to reply to this but it has to rate as the most ignorant post I've ever seen in the backroom and that'sQuote:
i mean Great Britain only used Scotland for taxes and manpower for war & colonization.i hope Scottish people be free from the 350 years of colonization!!
saying summat.
Paranoid, and racist. I've not voted in any election since I got disillusioned with Labour's invasion of Iraq, but now I will vote against any party that recognises Kurdistan, on the grounds that anyone who has anything in common with you is obviously going in the wrong direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
That's exactly what a New World Order Masonic Zionist would say...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Because some Scots hate the English - for no good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
James VI of Scotland took over England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Well speaking for myself; I like scotland, I dont want to see it leave because I like being in a union with it and I feel we should be standing together against the world instead of fighting eachother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
The Scots won't leave. Apart from being sensible, who are they going to blame when the English are no longer their overlords. :sneaky:
Um, in 1600AD (by which I guess you mean 1603), a Scottish king took over the English throne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
There was also no 'Scotland' in prehistory. The Kingdom of Scotland was created by settlers from modern day Northern Ireland who established Dalriada in western Scotland. From there, they conquered the rest.
My ethnicity is "White British" and Britain is my homeland. Do you know that the Scots language is a dialect of English? Not even a different language! Throughout history, only people in the Highlands and Islands spoke Gaelic. In fact, the English language is thought to have originated in southern Scotland!Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Zionists and Freemasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Where do you get this stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
Seriously, your a funny guy. :D
More likely the Bilderbergers.Quote:
Zionists and Freemasons?
:creep:
Kinnel hell my tin foil hat just fell off! :laugh4:
I used to think that resorting to insults was a sign of weak intellect and poor education, reading some of this Kurdish chap's posts makes me understand a little more why some people sink to that level.
Don't be so certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
And they can blame the English at least 50 years more - Croats are still blaming us and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future and we're still blaming the Turks.
Once you get into it, it''s great, and politicians tap into it momentarily. It totally absolves you of any responsibility.
If Scotland becomes independent then they will be out of the EU and NATO I guess?
Probably no. Even if it happens for legal reasons, they would probably be admitted instantly upon independence.
Sigurd: Why would he get it?? It's my island.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Strike: Your island?
Sigurd; Yeah, it's mine.
ok ok ok ok people, i know why you hate me, and som of you plz dont say you dont, you believe i must be as you like, think (Or told to think) as you , believe (or told to believe) like you ........
at all, YOU think someone is Rational or wise or good, that is someone to be like yourselves and you can not accept someone not in your limited circle that just and just wants to talk about things that, things MAY NOT be like you think!! like Muslims, your response Is only offense and insult!! i thank you!! you showed your thoughts and personalities to me!! now i must think otherwise to SO CALLED 1st World!! i thought i can find rational and understandable people, i thought i should discuss in here, not what you believe must be told!! again i was in mistake !! you cant discuss, but to attack to anyone you dont like or maybe told to dont like his ideas, you dont want to search for more wisdom and knowledge in this world, you just want to be in your limited but comfortable little mind circle.
at least my conscience is comfort, i have not insulted or offensed any of you despite you did to me !!
i now must lose hope to all humanity !! ok i hope the NEW WORLD ORDER at least fix this !!
so i will not discuss with ignorants and haters and nervous and mind & thought controlled people anymore !!
but again in your inverse, i wish God Bless us all, AND i wish best for all humans and Peace and Freedom(whether Nationality or Mind), for us all !!
I'm a fairly easygoing person in RL, and being brought up as I've been, I've been taught to tolerate a wide range of political and religious views. However, brought up as I've been, I've also been taught to despise ignoramuses who seek to impose their ill-informed opinions on others, with the reminder to keep quiet and pay attention to wiser heads when I have nothing worthwhile to contribute. I guess you've never been taught this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
BTW, have you read up on who occupied whom in 1600 yet?
Empire, I have never insulted you, and I was always open to hearing what you had to say.
Its not that they hate you - its that you are completely misrepresenting the Historical facts to "score points"
the English did not "colonize" Scotland - the Scottish successfully kicked the English out several centuries before the act of Union - Scottish Independence from the Kingdom of England was gained during the second war of independence which ended in 1357 - the act of the union was in 1707.
i know dear friend !! i alwayse appreciate your Tolerance & Understandablity !! i forgot to write, that despite many only know to hate and offense and attack, i have many friends especially in UK in here,and even non-friends that dont insult or offense to anyone just because he does not like his ideas !! cheer to you friend !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
bro, i did not read too much about scotland, as they never revolted or raised against colonization since after William Wallace, i thought Scotland is like Northern Ireland, so excuse me that i misunderstood, i dont say i am god like many think in here !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
i just said that the english crown is Deceiving , because the people that really demand to be free and independence is not SCOTLAND but the suppressed NORTH IRELAND !!
but they dont, they know Scottish people dont care to be independent and many see it not good, so they will Propaganda with "Hey we gaved the scots independence they didnt want-so we are a good government with democracy!!",but no one says those poor Irish people gaved lives & Martyrs to only to reach their independence & Freedom, why you dont give those rights to them ?!! you know, not just north ireland, the republic of ireland reached independence with giving many martyrs and many freedom fighters that were executed or jailed in english prison!! im surprised why those damned monarchs dont leave that little n.ireland !! maybe to show they dont bow to them?!!
Not only are you ignorant about Scotland, you're even more ignorant about Northern Ireland, less forgiveable since it's recent history. England does not deny Northern Ireland its freedom. The British fought in Northern Ireland to maintain the position of letting Northern Ireland have whatever political status it wants. Whether Northern Ireland wants independence, or union with the UK or Ireland, is up to them, a position fought for by the British. If the NI assembly votes for any of these positions, the UK parliament will support its right to choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
But rather than that, your good self would rather impose a freedom on Northern Ireland as defined by you, which is severance from England. Thus overriding the political wish of the Northern Irish people. I'd like to know where you're from, since democracy and self-determination appear to be alien concepts to you.
please, learn to discuss before you type !!! we have a say in here "The Response of ignorants, is silence" !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
im not have to answer your fully hatred and racist post !!
Can you point out where the above post is racist? Highlight any sentence, sentences, or part of a sentence, or any combination thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
my last post with you in here ,, i think you must read your past posts, and you can see how you insulted Kurds and Kurdistan just because of me you pointed to all AND i said things you dont like !!!
this hows how much your ignorant and hatred is high toward those things you think is unlikely !!
And he considers Muslims stupid for feeling offended all the time.
Thank you. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
But as for Northern Ireland, I must disagree with you. The conflict there has been between two communities that have both been there long before the United Kingdom came into existence. Generally speaking, Catholics want to be part of the Republic of Ireland, Protestants want to be part of the UK. Protestants have always been the majority, and this is why Northern Ireland did not join the Republic of Ireland when it gained independence.
You might be surprised to learn that the British government is not always sympathetic to the Protestants. For example, Winston Churchill, the WWII war criminal, was chased out of Belfast by a Protestant mob who were angry at his support for ceding Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic. He was actually sheltered by Catholics inside the football ground of Belfast Celtic, because the Protestant mob were ready to kill him!
As for executing Republican prisoners, that happened in the war that gave the Republic of Ireland its independence, but it never happened during the more recent conflict over Northern Ireland. The only prisoner to be executed by the British Government was in fact a Protestant and a unionist! And that happened just 16 years ago.
In saying all this I don't mean to imply that Catholics have not been persecuted - I am simply saying that the conflict is much more complicated than a case of 'freedom fighters' versus the imperialists.
16 years? Seriously, 1987?
I thought the last hanging was back in the 60's or something.... And how is that even possible, when EU law prohibits death sentences?
1997, I thought I was out of touch, lol. It wasn't official obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Haha yeah... I'm still living in the good ol' days of 2003, back when I was innocent to the horrors of the world... Anyway, care to expand? How, who and why? My google-fu isn't of much use...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
I heard of a particularly rabid anti-peace agreement unionist being knifed or something in an alley, with stories going around of the authorities giving his killers the go ahead on the understanding that there would be a blind eye turned to it. Dunno if that's what Rhyfelwyr is referring to.
Well that's happened on countless occasions, I'm talking about actively taking part in the murders. The case I am talking about is that of Billy Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Every time I read about NI, I feel the west looses a bit more of its moral high ground in its dealings with "primitive violence" elsewhere in the world....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
The difference with, say, Iraq, is about as low as it can get.
The discourse in the backroom has sunk so very low from it's heyday about 8-9 years ago.
However this thread is priceless, on the same level as that Backtia thingy. Except that was funny.
This is just pointless and sad.
It's unfair to tar all the contributors with that, a number of people have tried to make reasoned posts.
@Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya
I'm sorry for the hostility you have gotten from some of the members here in the backroom, the problem is that we have gotten a few people coming in here for a period of a month or two, who tries to completely control a conversation with a viewpoint that is 99% of the time very ill thought out and ridden with hidden racism or conspiracy theories.
I don't want to pass judgement on anything you have said, I very much disagree with almost you have said but I want to make the effort to have you stick with the backroom and not get fatigued by the constant bombardment of opposing views filled with snark or mean words.
For the most part, any opinion is welcome here, people may disagree but they are willing to challenge it in an honest manner and have a conversation as long as you are open enough to change your views. However, there is some basic internet protocols that must be observed here that I promise will help you get your point across in this forum if you follow them.
1. Don't use any punctuation more than once per sentence. So no "!!!!" or "?!?!". These only serve to give the impression of impatience or excessive passion.
2. Don't call anyone else ignorant or any other name calling. Yes, people in this very thread have done just that to you and others! But they are in the wrong, and while everyone makes mistakes, it ruins the conversation to constantly have it happen within a single thread. If you make a better effort than others in following this rule, you will receive respect a lot faster.
3. It is ok to preface a post with "I don't know" and "From my understanding". It does not hurt your argument in anyway and it also serves to let people know where you are coming from so that they do not misinterpret what you are trying to say.
Example: When you say that Scotland has suffered years of colonization, you should expect some hostility from the residences here who identify as British or even Scottish. Such a statement is very inflammatory unless you make an effort to define the word colonization as you see it first. Otherwise, the conversation (which we have seen) regresses instead of progresses. They need to know why you think Scotland has suffered colonization because to many people, the relationship between Scotland and England has been a very harmonious and peaceful union and that the recent vote for independence is merely some silliness by radical nationalists who wish to take advantage of the current economic situation.
I hope you take this advice, especially point 1 to heart so that we may get some more structured viewpoints from someone who obviously has a unique perspective on world events to share.
Well said, acin.
Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya, I know little about the Kurds, their history, or their situation today. Therefore I do not make sweeping, uninformed statements regarding Kurds or their political status. It's not too much to ask for you to show the same respect in terms of Scottish independence, or the situation in Northern Ireland, subjects on which your knowledge appears to be as extensive as mine on Kurdish history and politics.
Like acin said, it's always nice to hear a fresh perspective, so please don't feel anyone in here hates or insults you. Don't forget it works both ways, as a Northern Irish Unionist, it would be very easy for me to consider some of your remarks as accusing me of being an oppressor. If I can forgive you for that, perhaps you should be a little more forgiving of some of us? ~;)
Looks like some of you can't handle a free Kurdistan.
Fascists, the lot of you
dear Rhyfelwyr, the religious conflict is one of the problems, the other is that they are sticked to their republic, but they are in English rule! and i just forgot the name of that freedom fighter that was in jail for more than 25 years and got popular....ah damn it! i really dont remember! but his existence in history shows the Colonization and oppression and dirtiness of English Crown.
Dear a completely inoffensive name, i greatly thank you for your attention and politeness. i surprised your 1st point! i didnt think my punctuations cause some bother! im just habited with that! i hope stop it. and about your 2nd point, im surprised again how you tell that to me!! in non of the posts that i've started, i havnt insulted anybody or calling ignorant by myself.look, when i want a discussion, and when i get offenses and insults in reverse, despite i tolerated it too much to not to attack too , but hey! shouldnt i defend myself ?! when someone insults you you want to calm him down, you do this again and again, but when you see he is attacking again and again with insults and offensive words, wouldnt you defend yourself at last ?!! i had no choice! i have a tolerance limits too, im not Gandhi or Jesus!! i have never said im perfect that you say confess that you dont know, but when someone brings new ideas or perspectives, he/she will always be attacked, and alone. and im very alone here, i just dissaponted with people in so called 1st world! i thought there is a better place! i didnt know there too, is a place that they tell you undirectly how to live & Believe!
at all i thank you at least you could be calm against me and despite you dont agree with me, while i respect that of yours, you stopped being like them to offense!
Dear johnhughthom, i thank yu too friend! i just got really happy saw some in here not narrow-minded and offensive! i always respect ideas that dont hate or assault. and friend, i can always forgive if he/she desist of offensing,insulting,or to impose his liked and favored thoughts and what he THINKS(Suppose!) it is the perfect right! and i ask forgivness to whom i've insulted that if it was by myself started, or it was just defending.
DEAR Strike For The South, i thank you too because of your non-racism and open minded thoughts, indeed you pointed good thing, FASCISTS!!
i think THEY know who is your pointing!! i will not name !!
“i havnt insulted anybody or calling ignorant by myself” I suggest you to read the post where you are telling me that I am a liar.
The bactia thing was a hoot, I concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
I too miss Red Harvest and Gawain and Tribesman bashing heads...quite fun. Red drifted off after Katrina, Gawain never really got back into it after his brother was murdered (r/l) and Tribes got the boot somehow (self?)....sad
Tribesman said "Ban member x or I will leave", member x wasn't banned, so he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
The backroom is nothing but a place were self important, mouth breathing, socially retarded trolls come to opine about their superiority.
Faux libereal, faux high brow circle jerk
You just missed the guy wide open for three.Quote:
Trolling hard in the paint
Oh rubbish - I'm not any kind of Liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
To Whit - Empire's charactarisation of Scotland is faulty. It reads the Kurdish experience in the Middle East onto Scotland. The comparison might be applied to Wales or pre-Republican Ireland but not to Scotland after the Act of Union.
The essential point is that Scotland chose to merge with England -it was negotiated and agreed to Scotland's benefit.
The best bit in Empire's version of history was how England occupied Scotland in 1600 AD. Another example of English imperialism, just like how England occupied Normandy in 1066.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Yeah, shame on you all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
That was my ancestors prime hunting grounds for fair maidens to ravage, you know!
Now with democracy and cheap airfares the maidens fly to you for the hunting in your local.
Ah yes, the Norse. Ravaging fair maidens in northern France, and ravishing skinny monks in northern England.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Stuff Cameron into a cannon and fertilize a lovely field with 'im, and even the Scottish will forget that Scotland exists.
Gawain never really got back into it after his brother was murdered (r/l)
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WTF?!
Always enjoyed debating with Gawain, was as hard headed as me just a hell of a lot smarter... always wondered what happened to him and absolutely gutted to find out that was the reason for it. Wasn't too bad at Total War either (I am guessing one or two of us actually played the games)
Rhyfelwyr enjoyed reading the wiki but it doesn't actually make clear that he was killed by the state, just some evidence that possibly supports the theory... is it a commonly held perception that he was killed by the state?
Edit: Not doubting you or claiming more knowledge, all I know of the guy came from the wiki article you linked, just curious.
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i just dissaponted with people in so called 1st world! i thought there is a better place! i didnt know there too, is a place that they tell you undirectly how to live & Believe!
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Us 1st worlders are just as bad for telling people how to live and what to believe we have just become clever enough to make it seem like it isn't so...
He was online briefly after months of absence and explained why (though not it great detail). It was very saddening.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
We really need to reform our youth setup. We haven't had any decent youngsters in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Try snagging some from Zamalek. They usually have a few....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarmatian
It's pretty much commonly accepted by people of all persuasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Really? Must be another Northern Ireland and another Billy Wright. Only commonly accepted thing with most people I know, Catholic and Protestant, is the guy was complete scumbag and no loss to the world.
It's probably commonly accepted in Rhy's part of Scotland.
yes indeed !! but some few like you are clever to know, but most dont know, and if they be said, they just cant understand and run away from thinking of it !!Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
and at all, i dont know why some want to clean or legalize the English Crown's hidden Crimes & Colonizations !!
It must be very well hidden for the history books to say that the English invited the Scottish king to rule over them circa 1600 AD when in fact (as you have enlightened us) it was the English who occupied Scotland around that time. Damn the English Crown and their hiding of crimes and colonisations! Kurdistan 4eva!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aram of Mada
He made enemies on both sides so its not a surprise that he was topped in prison at all at all, six months after his death an the LVF called a ceasefire.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
I based what I said on what Northern Irish people have said to me. All Protestants to be fair, but from different parts of the spectrum. Granted, I don't know any that would identify as liberal or Alliance-types, but I think johnhughthom's circle must be pretty narrow to have that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Of course, that must be it Rhy, you must have a wider circle of acquiantances from Northern Ireland, despite my being born here, being brought up here and working here for most of my adult life. :rolleyes:
I'm not saying there wasn't government collusion, I'm just saying it's far from accepted amongst the circle of people I know (however big or small it may be).
I'm guessing you've spoken to a lot of people who describe Billy Wright as some sort of Loyalist hero? I was brought up in a Loyalist housing estate in what is a mainly middle class Protestant town (city now, apparently). For most of my youth there was little happened in the town, a few murders (including people I knew both murdering and being murdered) and some bombings, but generally the troubles almost seemed to be something that took place somewhere else. That changed for a while because of Billy Wright, there was a lot of violence, intimidation and tension around during the UVF/LVF feud, and it was the only time I was ever wary walking home at night and didn't feel completely safe in my community. A community that was never really troubled before Billy Wright decided he knew what was best for it.
But sure Rhy, you know best after speaking to a few people.
Well if you want to play that game, from what you've said I can see I have more first-hand experience with loyalism and loyalists than you do even if you lived there longer. And the area I lived in didn't support Billy's side of the feud so they weren't biased because of that - but they still recognise what happened.
Billy Wright was before my time and my relatives have had their neighbours and workmates killed on either side of that feud and the related feuds (as far as the C Company chain of events was a spinoff), I've actually been at one of their graves because we visited it while paying respects to another relative there and it really brings home the reality. Everyone has their own theories on who did what and who did it first, so if they can't agree with first-hand experience (by that I mean living there at the time) then who am I to judge?
For all that I have only ever heard people say that Wright's death was a government job.
But I guess you know best, when, even by your own admission, you have pretty much no experience with any of that. :rolleyes:
For a pretty intelligent chap, I don't quite understand how you got my admitting little first hand experience with loyalism and loyalists, but I'm not going to continue this, quite frankly, pathetic little debate any further.
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Originally Posted by Aram of Mada
I suggest you have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I
Awesome Scottish King takes over England - English rejoice (except Roman Catholics who try to kill him.)
To be fair the roman catholics had been trying to kill every King of England since a certain Henry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Oh come now, by the time we get to the Georgian "talk to the trees" dynasty, the "you're a prod we must kill you" bit was pretty well in the dust bin. The House of Windsor doesn't spend time dodging Jesuit wetwork teams.
That's just what you want us to think!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Someone hold the Papist down while I set fire to his feet.
Well they kinda deserve to have there heads chopped off what with famines, pillage, war and general beastliness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades