And apparently it is really controversial to say Attachment 18706
I don't really know what it is all about, but I sure am hungry.
07-16-2016, 21:33
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Oh god, what have #BLM's morons done now?
07-17-2016, 00:42
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Well, you don't hear about US cops killing a large number of Germans or Blues, do you?
Also racist pictures!
07-17-2016, 01:00
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
We also don't hear much about most people who are shot by the police are males, it's just sexist to point out that males are more criminal than females so get shot a lot more
#malelifematters
07-17-2016, 02:01
Vuk
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Husar
Well, you don't hear about US cops killing a large number of Germans or Blues, do you?
Also racist pictures!
lol, it is humor Husar. Blue lives refer to police. In the US police are stereotyped as always eating doughnuts.
Each meme has the stereotyped food of the person it is referring to. It is meant to be a humorous take on a subject people always get anal about.
07-17-2016, 02:47
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
We also don't hear much about most people who are shot by the police are males, it's just sexist to point out that males are more criminal than females so get shot a lot more
#malelifematters
Says the guy who runs a secret fight club... how many female versus male members do you have?
If gender equality had been achieved, they'd kill the same number of men and women. You're right in that we still have a lot of work to do before a criminal career becomes a viable career path for most women. Just look at the sexist mafia lingo: Made men? What about Made women, duh?!?
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Originally Posted by Vuk
lol, it is humor Husar. Blue lives refer to police. In the US police are stereotyped as always eating doughnuts.
Each meme has the stereotyped food of the person it is referring to. It is meant to be a humorous take on a subject people always get anal about.
Racist stereotypes, and of course I also don't see why people get anal about their family members or friends getting killed over a broken car light or so. :dizzy2:
This is all the fault of the English Dutch, if they hadn't sold New Amsterdam, people in the United States of Oranje would now be smoking weed instead of killing eachother with guns.
07-17-2016, 02:53
Vuk
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Husar
Says the guy who runs a secret fight club... how many female versus male members do you have?
If gender equality had been achieved, they'd kill the same number of men and women. You're right in that we still have a lot of work to do before a criminal career becomes a viable career path for most women. Just look at the sexist mafia lingo: Made men? What about Made women, duh?!?
Racist stereotypes, and of course I also don't see why people get anal about their family members or friends getting killed over a broken car light or so. :dizzy2:
This is all the fault of the English Dutch, if they hadn't sold New Amsterdam, people in the United States of Oranje would now be smoking weed instead of killing eachother with guns.
lol, but I literally stereotyped everyone, so at least I am an equal opportunity offender. ~;) Don't be so sensitive my friend. It is humor, and I gave it a trigger warning specifically to keep the people who like to get butthurt out. ~;)
07-17-2016, 05:36
Fragony
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lol not so secret I guess, we stopped doing that but was fun for a while. We are still men.
It was between friends by the way, I have gotten worse injuries riding ponies
07-17-2016, 12:56
Gilrandir
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Vuk
Each meme has the stereotyped food of the person it is referring to.
Are gays and Germans united in their love for sausage? I expect German gays eat nothing but sausage.
07-17-2016, 14:03
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Gilrandir
Are gays and Germans united in their love for sausage? I expect German gays eat nothing but sausage.
If they bite it that would end very soon
07-17-2016, 15:58
Vuk
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Well, I've heard that they both love sausage, so I thought why create two memes when I could make one?
07-18-2016, 00:36
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Edit: Screw it I'll make a new thread
07-18-2016, 16:46
Beskar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Since the Opening Post hasn't been answered, I will provide it.
The reason "Black Lives Matter" getting the response "All Lives Matter" receives disapproval is because it is undermining the cause and credibility of the statement being made. It is natural that "All Lives Matter", and unless you are a bigot, it is what everyone in this thread shares. However, "Black Lives Matter" is a campaign due to the disproportional amount of deaths black identifying people have at the hands of police services. So whilst "All Lives Matter", it is the added point of "Black Lives Matter too"/"this includes Black lives".
Now, going back to why it is disapproved, say that Vuk is victimized in his postings. Every time he posts, Beskar gives him an infraction. Vuk getting upset with this treatment posts "Vuk Posts Matter" in the Watch tower. However, when he does, other members like Husar respond with "All Posts Matter". What is the effect of this? It de-legitimizes Vuk's grievance with his posts being constantly infracted. It is whitewashing the issue. By posting "All Posts Matter", you are not supporting Vuk or his grievance.
Now, I hope this has cleared it up for you.
07-18-2016, 17:14
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Pity #blacklivesmatter has become the name of a racist movement that agitate for racial segregation and general anarchism through a concieted effort to deflect all blame for the woes of the african american community upon a concept of "whiteness" that has become so disconnected from it's original meaning as to not even refer to skin colour in the eyes of the members.
"All lives matter" isnt an attempt to white-wash it's a denouncement of the hypocracy in group exhibiting blatant racial prejudice while trying to maintain the facade that it is anti racist. It's like if Vuk started complaining about the badmouthing of republicans with a thread titles "Republican feelings matter", it starts off with him saying we need to watch our language but half way through he starts pissing on the democrats and third partys. Then a few hours later hooahguy makes a thread of his own mockingly named "all feelings matters".
07-18-2016, 18:10
Beskar
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That is unfortunately an problem as a lot of movements end up fostering an "us and them" atmosphere and perverse the nature of the debate. I liked Maisie Williams comment removing 'feminism' as a label, and advocating "You are either a normal person or a sexist".
07-18-2016, 18:19
Greyblades
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Hrm, sadly that keeps getting used to call sexist anyone who doesnt ascribe to the description feminist, not realizing that a lot of people dont want to be called feminist because they dont want to be lumped in with the extreme "if you are not with us you are against us" man hating crowd.
The black american communities need community leaders in the vein of Martin Luther King or later-life Mandela, but all they seem to get are either Neo-Black Panthers or Al Sharpton.
07-18-2016, 18:40
AE Bravo
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
The black american communities need community leaders in the vein of Martin Luther King or later-life Mandela, but all they seem to get are either Neo-Black Panthers or Al Sharpton.
You haven't heard? They're being murdered on the regular. Some of these people are beloved members of their communities and churches, not just inner-city loiterers like how it's presented most of the time.
Everyone needs to stop living in a bubble. The police started this war.
07-18-2016, 18:57
Fragony
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While the actions of the police were questionable to say the least those who were shot weren't exactly saints. Nothing good is going to come from this, some BLM components are simply after race-riots.
07-18-2016, 19:23
HopAlongBunny
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Pity #blacklivesmatter has become the name of a racist movement that agitate for racial segregation and general anarchism through a concieted effort to deflect all blame for the woes of the african american community upon a concept of "whiteness" that has become so disconnected from it's original meaning as to not even refer to skin colour in the eyes of the members.
Outside of rants from Fox news and other equally credible sources, I have never heard these things advocated by the leadership of BLM.
It is quite likely that the lunatic fringe of the Black Power movement have spouted their usual nonsense under the BLM banner; the outliers always try to assume the mantle, or at least affiliation with a legitimate cause.
Sort of like claiming all Republicans are fascist white power loons because members of the KKK belong to the party.
07-18-2016, 19:30
Greyblades
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Or like claiming all gamergate are womenhating neckbeards?
BLM is a hashtag campaign, it has no leaders, it has no message control and it has no agreed on direction.
Those that shout the loudest lead the rest and the loudest shout is increasingly becoming the lunatic fringe.
As for the fox news being the only ones reporting on it; what do you expect from the politically polaraized media? One side plugs thier ears, the other screams and shouts, which does which depends on which side's sacred cow is being focused on.
07-18-2016, 19:41
AE Bravo
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If you're going to use Youtube to prove that, you're going to fall short. There are probably more videos of police acting up and getting trigger happy than there are of death chants.
Bubble trouble.
07-19-2016, 15:54
Strike For The South
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
I can forgive Greyblades because he is a Brit but people forget how reviled MLK jr. was in his time. There is a total whitewashing of the civil rights movement. The man blocked highways, grounded public transport, and spent some not unsubstantial time in prison. White America HATED this man. The majority of his "white" allies were Jews from New York, who, lets be honest, were not really in the fold.
People of my grandparents age wanted black people shot in the street. The fact that the blacks were getting uppity was insane.
Also #BLM is not a centralized movement. I don't understand why everything is being attached to them.
07-19-2016, 16:35
Greyblades
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Strike I wasnt saying they should have another MLK because he was popular among whites but because he was a force to restrain violence, the Black panthers under a new lable are once again screaming "kill cops, kill whitey" and the moderate speakers, who could direct the anger and frustration that BLM are exploiting to less violent more contructive outlets, are plugging thier ears on the sidelines.
07-20-2016, 01:59
Papewaio
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Vuk
lol, it is humor Husar...It is meant to be a humorous take on a subject people always get anal about.
I apologize for my sniggering... But given the picture of a sausage for Germans and Gay men the above response to our German admin is so :flowers: funny ~:smoking:
07-20-2016, 03:41
Vuk
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Beskar
Since the Opening Post hasn't been answered, I will provide it.
The reason "Black Lives Matter" getting the response "All Lives Matter" receives disapproval is because it is undermining the cause and credibility of the statement being made. It is natural that "All Lives Matter", and unless you are a bigot, it is what everyone in this thread shares. However, "Black Lives Matter" is a campaign due to the disproportional amount of deaths black identifying people have at the hands of police services. So whilst "All Lives Matter", it is the added point of "Black Lives Matter too"/"this includes Black lives".
Now, going back to why it is disapproved, say that Vuk is victimized in his postings. Every time he posts, Beskar gives him an infraction. Vuk getting upset with this treatment posts "Vuk Posts Matter" in the Watch tower. However, when he does, other members like Husar respond with "All Posts Matter". What is the effect of this? It de-legitimizes Vuk's grievance with his posts being constantly infracted. It is whitewashing the issue. By posting "All Posts Matter", you are not supporting Vuk or his grievance.
Now, I hope this has cleared it up for you.
There are a few problems with this, but let's back away and start from the beginning. I have not up to this point given an opinion on this if I recall correctly.
Here is how I see it:
Do Black Lives Matter? Of course they do, and anyone who has a problem saying that has issues.
Do All Lives Matter? Of course they do, and anyone who has a problem saying that has issues.
The truth is though, that most people in this country have a problem saying one or the other? Why? By design. The Democrat Party and those who share their goals and values want to divide this country on every issue possible, and use that division to win elections.
The situations is intentionally confused.
Here is how it works:
The Democrat friendly media uses a mixture of legitimate tragedies and manufactured tragedies to falsely create the impression that black people are being systematically targeted for extermination by America's Police forces. They have for decades already been indoctrinating young black children to believe that white people and police hate them and want to kill them. (No, seriously, a lot of inner city black children literally think of white people and police as the f*(king boogey man who is coming to get them at night. My sis is a teacher who helped teach in some schools in Milwaukee, and she was shocked to find this out)
Black people understandably and legitimately fear for their lives and hate the police and white people (as the media always lays the police problems at the doorstep of white people, it is ultimately their fault).
Black people feel like society doesn't believe their lives matter, and start legitimately protesting with the slogan "Black Lives Matter". The implied meaning of this slogan is "Black Lives Matter Too". The messaging is not as clear or inclusive as it could be, but doesn't need to be as in normal circumstance its meaning would be completely clear.
The problem arises when enormous numbers of those in the BLM movement call for the death of white people and police all over Twitter and during their rallies. BLM leaders are caught encouraging violence against police and white people. More importantly, BLM do not denounce these violent elements as extremists, but seem to embrace them. BLM "protestors" riot, rape, kill, and destroy. It suddenly starts appearing to people who are not black like this movement is a war against police and white people. Suddenly the implied "Too" at the end of their slogan is not so obvious as it beings to look like a black power movement.
With terrorist attacks and crime being committed by BLM against whites, other minorities, and police, it is really hard to draw any other conclusion.
Entire "Blue Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter".
People see police being disproportionately targeted for slaughter and hate crimes by the BLM, so they see the need to point out that these are just people too. Again, there is a "too implied". To BLM people though, it only seems to be an attempt to justify the illusion the Left created of a war on minorities by America's police forces.
"All Lives Matter" is the necessary answer to the crimes of BLM, in the same way that BLM is the necessary answer to the perceived crimes of America's police. All Lives Matter says that you cannot start massacring other people because you think you have not been treated well. They hear the hatred of so many in the BLM movement, and the calls to have whitey and the police killed and think "What the heck did I ever do? I never meant you any harm and you want me dead? Doesn't my life matter?".
Of course the "All Lives Matter" crowd doesn't realize that by refusing to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter, they are just reinforcing the opinions of BLM advocates that white people are racist and don't care about the black community and are trying to de-legitimize problems that affect them. To them, they are acknowledging it by saying "All Lives Matter", and "Black Lives Matter" really means that police lives and the lives of those of other races do not matter.
Meanwhile BLM people refuse to say "All Lives Matter" because they think it de-legitimizes their problems, and they just confirm the opinion of ALM people that BLM don't think their lives matter.
The truth is that most BLM people truly believe that All Lives Matter, and most ALM people truly believe that Black Lives Matter. So why won't they just say it? Because Democrats have deliberately controlled the messaging in such a way as to cause total confusing and set people against each other who were not and should not be enemies to begin with. That is how they win elections.
The truth is that All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter, but that no one in this country looks at both of those statements at face value. They all read evil intentions in one of them, and by their failure to embrace the statement confirm their evil intentions to the other group.
07-20-2016, 03:51
Strike For The South
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You're unhinged.
07-20-2016, 05:54
Gilrandir
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Vuk
The Democrat Party and those who share their goals and values want to divide this country on every issue possible, and use that division to win elections.
Like Republicans don't do such things.
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Originally Posted by Vuk
Entire "Blue Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter".
Curiously, in Ukrainian and Russian "blue" referring to a person means "gay".
07-20-2016, 17:24
Seamus Fermanagh
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South
I can forgive Greyblades because he is a Brit but people forget how reviled MLK jr. was in his time. There is a total whitewashing of the civil rights movement. The man blocked highways, grounded public transport, and spent some not unsubstantial time in prison. White America HATED this man. The majority of his "white" allies were Jews from New York, who, lets be honest, were not really in the fold.
People of my grandparents age wanted black people shot in the street. The fact that the blacks were getting uppity was insane.
Also #BLM is not a centralized movement. I don't understand why everything is being attached to them.
Notable portions of White America hated MLK -- but by no means a majority. A clear majority at the beginning of the Civil Rights era DID want things to stay the same -- most of them rather blithely uncaring about the plight of Black America because it did not impinge directly on them.
07-20-2016, 17:29
Seamus Fermanagh
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Vuk
...The truth is that most BLM people truly believe that All Lives Matter, and most ALM people truly believe that Black Lives Matter. So why won't they just say it? Because Democrats have deliberately controlled the messaging in such a way as to cause total confusing and set people against each other who were not and should not be enemies to begin with. That is how they win elections.
The truth is that All Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter, but that no one in this country looks at both of those statements at face value. They all read evil intentions in one of them, and by their failure to embrace the statement confirm their evil intentions to the other group.
Many are and do say that, from both sides. However, what gets reported or emphasized in the news media is quite different. News/journalism/media, to be engaging and interesting (and sell ad copy) MUST focus on conflict. Most don't go as far as W.R. Hearst to foment conflict, but that norms of reportage tend to emphasize the conflictual elements of any story. This makes it all to easy for the parties themselves, with a bit of a media "assist" to polarize the conflict even further.
In conditions of relative polarization already -- such as is obviously extent in the USA today -- it is simply that much easier for media reporting norms to actually encourage a worsening conflict.
Consider: Dispute Resolution Journal, Aug-Oct 2001, pp. 40-55.
07-20-2016, 17:38
Strike For The South
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Notable portions of White America hated MLK -- but by no means a majority. A clear majority at the beginning of the Civil Rights era DID want things to stay the same -- most of them rather blithely uncaring about the plight of Black America because it did not impinge directly on them.
Even in 1968 Gallup shows that a majority of Americans believed the negro was still responsible for his own plight and that they should stop protesting, their point had been made. The numbers are worse for 64. He was viewed with more scorn than the BLM movement is today.
White America was certainly not welcoming or caring.
07-20-2016, 18:42
Seamus Fermanagh
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Even in 1968 Gallup shows that a majority of Americans believed the negro was still responsible for his own plight and that they should stop protesting, their point had been made. The numbers are worse for 64. He was viewed with more scorn than the BLM movement is today.
White America was certainly not welcoming or caring.
True that, though I ascribe it more to complacency then mis-like.
07-24-2016, 21:59
Montmorency
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South
You're unhinged.
No. Setting aside the predictable defamation of the Democrats, he more-or-less captures some core tensions and public perceptions for the issue.
More concisely, "Black Lives Matter Too", but "So Do Non-Black Lives".
They're both stupid, purely-contrarian slogans, and the only coherent justification I've heard for them is 'bandwagon'. What a pointless thing to make a social argument under their franchises....
07-25-2016, 01:38
Vuk
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
No. Setting aside the predictable defamation of the Democrats, he more-or-less captures some core tensions and public perceptions for the issue.
More concisely, "Black Lives Matter Too", but "So Do Non-Black Lives".
They're both stupid, purely-contrarian slogans, and the only coherent justification I've heard for them is 'bandwagon'. What a pointless thing to make a social argument under their franchises....
lol, you know me Montmorency, I always have to call out them darned old liberals. ~;)
08-04-2016, 11:36
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
A pipe bomb exploded on a police vehicle in suburban Maryland early Wednesday, the police said.
The vehicle was parked on the street outside an officer's house in Thurmont, Maryland, Police Chief Greg Eyler told CBS Washington, D.C., affiliate WUSA-TV.
At around 12:30 a.m., the officer heard an explosion, Eyler told WUSA-TV. He and his wife went outside, and they found the remains of a pipe bomb beside his vehicle.
Eyler said it looked like someone placed the pipe bomb on the hood of the vehicle against the windshield. The main damage to the vehicle was to the windshield, and the bomb also blew out at least one side window.
The explosion sent shrapnel into a nearby house, sources told CBS News homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues.
No one was injured, Eyler said.
A source told CBS News the bomb was "legit."
The bomb fragments were being analyzed at a lab for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Pegues reports.
No one was under arrest and the motive was unclear.
Investigators were not ruling anything out because of recent incidents where police officers have been targeted, Pegues reports.
08-04-2016, 11:45
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Cop car lives matter?
08-04-2016, 21:05
CrossLOPER
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
lol, maybe the brittish police should start randomly shooting negroes to satisfy black life muppets so they get the racism they crave. Black life muppets are lmuch like leftist bored rich kids, rebels without a cause. A cause! A cause! My ffswutreally for a cause
Just like in the USA most blacks get killed by blacks. Does that matter, not to black life muppets. Only cherrypicked admittingly questionable events
08-05-2016, 18:40
Ironside
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
lol, maybe the brittish police should start randomly shooting negroes to satisfy black life muppets so they get the racism they crave. Black life muppets are lmuch like leftist bored rich kids, rebels without a cause. A cause! A cause! My ffswutreally for a cause
Just like in the USA most blacks get killed by blacks. Does that matter, not to black life muppets. Only cherrypicked admittingly questionable events
Having high trust for the police helps bringing down crime. That requires that the police is trustworthy. In particular if you live close to crime, as it means that you'll have a lot more interaction with the police than average. It makes a lot of difference if they arrest that buddy's buddy that you suspected could've been a drug dealer, compared to beating up that other buddy's buddy that you know is fairly decent.
Let me put it this way, when the state got the monopoly of violence, the murder rate dropped 98-99% percent. When a community can't trust the police, they have to establish their own defense against violence, like in the old days, that had 50-100 times the murder rate of (Western Europe) today.
08-05-2016, 18:44
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
So what the hell are they doing in london? Seriously.
08-05-2016, 19:43
AE Bravo
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Just like in the USA most blacks get killed by blacks. Does that matter, not to black life muppets. Only cherrypicked admittingly questionable events
Why would it matter? They're a response to police brutality. Of course that matters but that's not why they're protesting. You're the one cherrypicking.
08-05-2016, 19:59
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
So what the hell are they doing in london? Seriously.
Well lets see.
Hard question that one .
Obviously you have given it a great deal of thought.
So how's about ...It's London, that means it's the Met.
Does that seem logical so far? Are you keeping up?
So you will be aware that the Met has a bit of a recurring problem, yes?
A problem that has been ongoing for decades, yes?
A problem which occasionally cannot be covered up sufficiently and so requires a government or a judicial inquiry, yes?
Now perhaps you can answer this question.....
Year after year , decade after decade what do these inquiries find?
Is it A The Met is a wonderful organisation which does its job with a sprinkling of unicorns and rainbows. B The Met is institutionally racist and cannot do its job effectively until it fixes it's deep rooted faults.
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Originally Posted by Fragony
lol, maybe the brittish police should start randomly shooting negroes to satisfy black life muppets so they get the racism they crave. Black life muppets are lmuch like leftist bored rich kids, rebels without a cause. A cause! A cause! My ffswutreally for a cause
Just like in the USA most blacks get killed by blacks. Does that matter, not to black life muppets. Only cherrypicked admittingly questionable events
See above for the answer, but you do seem to come across as a dumb racist so I don't think answers will help you at all.
Apologies for the use of the word "dumb", it is superfluous to the word "racist".
08-05-2016, 21:15
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Oh boy here we go.
08-05-2016, 22:04
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
oh no we don't, too normal to bother with
08-05-2016, 23:27
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
Oh boy here we go.
A or B
Simple isn't it.
I take it you know the answer, so the next question is why did you write such nonsense when you knew full well why there are protests in London and that there are plenty of valid reasons for those protests?
After all it is in the news today that the problems which were a factor in the expensive riots 5 years ago are now worse instead of better.
Perhaps you think improving matters is not important and objecting to those matters is somehow unimportant.
Which would be a very strange view, and a totally unjustifiable view from any logical perspective.
08-05-2016, 23:53
Strike For The South
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Tribesman? Is that you?
at least change then style man.
08-06-2016, 01:25
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
????????
08-06-2016, 03:37
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Got it right here, you can pick it up tomorow
08-14-2016, 09:42
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
There we go again, this time Milwalky. Criminal is shot, is black so must be racism, so why not burn stuff. If black life matters do something with your life. Screw that victimtude, really. Almost all blacks who get killed are kil,ed by blacks, fact.
08-14-2016, 09:52
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
.Almost all blacks who get killed are kil,ed by blacks, fact.
Is it a fact or is it a fiction?
08-14-2016, 09:57
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
So its also a fact that the same is true for whites killing whites
08-14-2016, 11:18
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
It's a fact. Why it is a fact is a different discussion.
It is a different discussion, but it's also the same discussion.
The question is why did you raise it in a topic about protests about police violence.
Is it an attempt to deflect away from the issue of institutional racism
08-14-2016, 11:47
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Legs
It is a different discussion, but it's also the same discussion.
The question is why did you raise it in a topic about protests about police violence.
Is it an attempt to deflect away from the issue of institutional racism
More whites are shot by the police, also a fact. Most criminals are male by the way, there I said it. I'll just admit it I'm a feminist
08-14-2016, 12:38
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Legs
So its also a fact that the same is true for whites killing whites
Indeed, which is why it's combined with the other statistics, like how they commit 52% of murders while only having 13% of the population share.
08-14-2016, 13:11
Fragony
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Mostly other blacks, but if a cop shoots a black suddenly black life matters, Picking cotton must have been really traumatising it still haunts them today
We have the douchebags here, we have this black-pete thing that upsets the upset. Doesn't matter to them that it's a perfectly innocent kid's party, they celebrate it in our former colonies as well. Most hilarious, or sad, was that my nephew was attacked by bored white rich kids. He can't whipe it of he's actually black, and played black pete.
08-14-2016, 13:57
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Mostly other blacks, but if a cop shoots a black suddenly black life matters, Picking cotton must have been really traumatising it still haunts them today
We have the douchebags here, we have this black-pete thing that upsets the upset. Doesn't matter to them that it's a perfectly innocent kid's party, they celebrate it in our former colonies as well. Most hilarious, or sad, was that my nephew was attacked by bored white rich kids. He can't whipe it of he's actually black, and played black pete.
Racist much?
08-14-2016, 14:00
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
More whites are shot by the police, also a fact.
Another attempt to dodge the issue.
An unrmed black man is far more likely to be shot by the police than an unarmed white man.
08-14-2016, 14:30
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
Indeed, which is why it's combined with the other statistics, like how they commit 52% of murders while only having 13% of the population share.
What you wrote is the claim an individual made, the link explores if that claim is factual.
What you need to do is read the verdict, or even better read the two linked studies. Or even just read as far as the bit where "52% of murders" is pointed out to be wrong.
08-14-2016, 14:41
Greyblades
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If you had actually paid attention you would know that it was the Bureau of Justice statistsics who was that individual who says that 52% of murders between 1980 and 2008 were caused by black offenders.
If you werent lazy maybe you would actually back up your statements and not come off as a contrarian tit.
08-14-2016, 15:39
Legs
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
If you had actually paid attention you would know that it was the Bureau of Justice statistsics who was that individual who says that 52% of murders between 1980 and 2008 were caused by black offenders.
If you werent lazy maybe you would actually back up your statements and not come off as a contrarian tit.
Bullshit.
If you were not lazy you would notice the difference between your two links.
"James" is the source you used not the DoJ
08-14-2016, 17:19
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Legs
Another attempt to dodge the issue.
An unrmed black man is far more likely to be shot by the police than an unarmed white man.
true
08-14-2016, 18:11
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Legs
Bullshit.
If you were not lazy you would notice the difference between your two links.
"James" is the source you used not the DoJ
"James" used the doj, I got that link from the first link. Stop wasting my time.
08-14-2016, 19:03
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
The crime difference is probably because the blacks are all muslims. :dizzy2:
08-14-2016, 19:25
Legs
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"James" used the DoJ but used words with a different meaning.
08-14-2016, 20:58
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
Ok, so if they're not muslim, they're at least more likely to have elevated BLLs:
All the rest of the data on lead poisoning is exactly what you'd expect. Not only is it higher among blacks than whites, but it's higher in inner cities and it's higher among low-income families. And of course, this is on top of all the social problems these kids already have from being black, poor, and living in rundown neighborhoods.
Needless to say, lead didn't cause institutional racism. But lead sure made it worse. White children were severely affected by the postwar lead epidemic, but it produced nothing less than carnage among black kids. Before we finally got it under control in the late 80s, lead poisoning had created nearly an entire generation of black teenagers with lower IQs, more behavioral problems in school, and higher rates of violent behavior—which, as Wheeler says, feeds into already vicious stereotypes of African-Americans and the poor.
It's great to poison the people first, then blame all the resulting issues on them...
What I'm saying is you can stuff your blacks vs. whites crimes statistics into your lead-filled tinfoil hat!
They also don't disprove institutional racism in the slightest because the two problems are not mutually exclusive.
08-14-2016, 23:15
Fragony
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Well a lot young black people die because of lead, a lot faster than from lead-poisining though. In problematic, and yes pioor, neighnourhoods the homocide-rate are really high. Gangs kill echother over nothing, sometimes just to prove their worth. That's not special to America, especially in Amsterdam lequidations between gangs are pretty common, sometimes with very heavy weapons, there are plenty of these from former yugoslavia. In Amsterdam it's mostly between Marrocans though
08-15-2016, 01:47
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Well a lot young black people die because of lead, a lot faster than from lead-poisining though. In problematic, and yes pioor, neighnourhoods the homocide-rate are really high. Gangs kill echother over nothing, sometimes just to prove their worth. That's not special to America, especially in Amsterdam lequidations between gangs are pretty common, sometimes with very heavy weapons, there are plenty of these from former yugoslavia. In Amsterdam it's mostly between Marrocans though
All of it points to one simple idea: violent crime rose as a result of lead poisoning because of leaded gasoline. It declined because of lead abatement policies.
There are three basic reasons why this theory should be believed. First, as Drum points out, the numbers correlate almost perfectly. “If you add a lag time of 23 years,” he writes. “Lead emissions from automobiles explain 90 percent of the variation in violent crime in America. Toddlers who ingested high levels of lead in the ’40s and ’50s really were more likely to become violent criminals in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s.”
I wasn't saying that lead poisoning kills them but that it is very likely to have made them and still makes them more violent. See the lead poisoning in Flint for example, it often hits the poor much harder than the rich, too. Wealthier people are more likely to live in newer houses etc.
And yes, the Dutch have their criminals, too, who was denying that?
08-15-2016, 06:32
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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They also don't disprove institutional racism in the slightest because the two problems are not mutually exclusive.
You need to prove before you need to disprove.
The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.
08-15-2016, 06:33
Fragony
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There have been a real liquidation wave lately, a big stash of cocaine has dissapeared, that's when it started. Everybody is blaming eachother, not 'normal' crime, we have never had something like this before
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
You need to prove before you need to disprove.
The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.
Unbelievable.
08-15-2016, 08:08
AE Bravo
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So just because there's black on black crime it makes sense to dismiss their concerns about being victims of the state that is responsible for their protection. Yeah, don't waste your time with people who try to rationalize their irrational hate.
Continue with your miserable summers you non-racists.
08-15-2016, 08:13
Fragony
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Unbelievable.
What's so wrong with what he says, these black life muppets love the idea that this is a black vs white thing. That most young blacks who get shot are shot by young blacks, not a fuck was given. Friend of mine was in New York and wanted to ask cops for direction, he wanted to pick his map and immeddiatly was looking at four guns directed at him, no he's not black
disclaimer, I saw the video a few weeks ago and that absolutily looks bad, there is no justification for shooting the guy who was already on the ground.
08-15-2016, 08:41
Greyblades
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Legs
Unbelievable.
You have little imagination, and debate skills.
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So just because there's black on black crime it makes sense to dismiss their concerns about being victims of the state that is responsible for their protection.
It makes sense to dismiss it when they constantly go on riots over the deaths of criminals but ignore the deaths of little girls.
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Yeah, don't waste your time with people who try to rationalize their irrational hate.
Lazy.
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Continue with your miserable summers you non-racists.
Reading about widespread Islamic mass rape and race bait fueled riots does tend to put a pallor on my holidy.
08-15-2016, 12:30
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
You need to prove before you need to disprove.
The US's black culture is self destructing, black people are killing eachother at rates that dwarf all other demographics and it is prone to distraction, reacting with riots when thugs are shot mid robbery but being conspicuously silent when thier children are killed by stray bullets from a gang conflict.
Wow, so much ignorance in such a small post.
You can't even prove that they're not doing anything when their kids are getting shot.
You ignore community work, efforts to stop children from joining gangs and lead poisoning and just post the worst racist drivel you could find, trying to pass it off as fact. You even try to dehumanize them by insinuating that they don't care if their own children die. That is despicable racist racist rubbish and nothing else, or dare you try to prove any of these allegations?
Here's a link to prove that your argument is full of racist drivel: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...olence/255329/
You always like to tell the other side that it needs proof but can't even prove your own arguments...
I already provided proof for the fact that the elevated crime and violence in poor black communities were caused by the greed, negligence and ignorance of the white majority, you have provided nothing but racist talking points!
As for your institutional racism proof: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-...ur-way-of-life
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When juveniles hit the court system, it discriminates against blacks as well. Black children are 18 times more likely to be sentenced as adults than white children, and make up nearly 60 percent of children in prisons, according to the APA. Black juvenile offenders are much more likely to be viewed as adults in juvenile detention proceedings than their white counterparts.
They're already getting sentenced harsher by the white majority when they are still children and racists falsely blame their mothers for not caring enough about the children...what a load of racist shit!
08-15-2016, 12:49
Fragony
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What Greyblades says isn't racist at all, just an pretty obvious observation. Let's just look at 'ghetto culture', there is a lot of thoughtfull and poetic rap, but what is most about, bitches and hoes, lots of expensive cars and gold juwelry. Great role-models if life is already really hard. Black community needs some introspective instead of blaming everything on whiteboy.
08-15-2016, 13:24
Husar
Re: What Lives Matter? An Inappropriate Food Picture Book *Trigger Warning*
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Originally Posted by Fragony
What Greyblades says isn't racist at all, just an pretty obvious observation. Let's just look at 'ghetto culture', there is a lot of thoughtfull and poetic rap, but what is most about, bitches and hoes, lots of expensive cars and gold juwelry. Great role-models if life is already really hard. Black community needs some introspective instead of blaming everything on whiteboy.
That's just more "obvious" bullshit, because
a) I already proved his "observation" that black people don't care about their children getting shot by gangs wrong.
b) there are other ghetto cultures which are not black but also violent.
c) white greed poisoned them with lead, of course they are more aggressive, but it's not like they wanted that, chemistry just does that to them. Fix the stupid problems instead of letting the children of Flint and other cities continue to drink lead!
08-16-2016, 02:45
Tuuvi
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This triangular dynamic among bully, victim, and audience is what I mean by the deep structure of bullying. It deserves to be analyzed in the textbooks. Actually, it deserves to be set in giant neon letters everywhere: Bullying creates a moral drama in which the manner of the victim’s reaction to an act of aggression can be used as retrospective justification for the original act of aggression itself.
Not only does this drama appear at the very origins of bullying in early childhood; it is precisely the aspect that endures in adult life. I call it the “you two cut it out” fallacy. Anyone who frequents social media forums will recognize the pattern. Aggressor attacks. Target tries to rise above and do nothing. No one intervenes. Aggressor ramps up attack. Target tries to rise above and do nothing. No one intervenes. Aggressor further ramps up attack.
This can happen a dozen, fifty times, until finally, the target answers back. Then, and only then, a dozen voices immediately sound, crying “Fight! Fight! Look at those two idiots going at it!” or “Can’t you two just calm down and learn to see the other’s point of view?” The clever bully knows that this will happen—and that he will forfeit no points for being the aggressor. He also knows that if he tempers his aggression to just the right pitch, the victim’s response can itself be represented as the problem.
: You’re a decent chap, Jeeves, but I must say, you’re a bit of an imbecile.
: A bit of a . . . what!? What the hell do you mean by that?
: See what I mean? Calm down! I said you were a decent chap. And such language! Don’t you realize there are ladies present?
And what is true of social class is also true of any other form of structural inequality: hence epithets such as “shrill women,” “angry black men,” and an endless variety of similar terms of dismissive contempt. But the essential logic of bullying is prior to such inequalities. It is the ur-stuff of which they are made.
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NOTICE TO ALL:
Personal attacks are never allowed, next time it happens the penalties will be severe.
08-16-2016, 09:39
Greyblades
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It's odd that I find Husar calling me a racist less annoying than superuser and legs, I suspect it's because he actually puts some effort into it.
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Originally Posted by Husar
Wow, so much ignorance in such a small post.
You can't even prove that they're not doing anything when their kids are getting shot.
You ignore community work, efforts to stop children from joining gangs and lead poisoning and just post the worst racist drivel you could find, trying to pass it off as fact. You even try to dehumanize them by insinuating that they don't care if their own children die. That is despicable racist racist rubbish and nothing else, or dare you try to prove any of these allegations?
Here's a link to prove that your argument is full of racist drivel: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...olence/255329/
You always like to tell the other side that it needs proof but can't even prove your own arguments...
I already provided proof for the fact that the elevated crime and violence in poor black communities were caused by the greed, negligence and ignorance of the white majority, you have provided nothing but racist talking points!
Note the context compared "conspicuously silent" with: "riots"
When the black communities witness one of their most vulnerable killed by a black thug the reaction are subdued; peaceful protests, marches, signs, but when a police man kills one of thier criminals the reaction is rioting and mass destruction. When compared the latter the demographic as a whole are indeed "conspicuously silent".
There is a clear double standard in scale of reaction in the black communities and the sad thing is that I learned of these, not by those "racist talking points" as you accuse me of using, but by black people themselves pointing it out:
There is a reason I keep using the terms "black culture" and "black communities" instead of "black people", because I am fully aware that there are black people who find the disparity between the reactions as insane as I do.
They're already getting sentenced harsher by the white majority when they are still children and racists falsely blame their mothers for not caring enough about the children...what a load of racist shit!
I'm going to spoiler my dismantling of your article because it goes on for a bit.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Lets see, "Black pre-schoolers are far more likely to be suspended than white children" "black children are three times more likely to be suspended than white children." "about a fifth of disabled children are black – yet they account for 44 and 42 percent of disabled students put in mechanical restraints or placed in seclusion."
Allready beginning with correlation fallacies, the links provided do in no way prove that it is racism that causes this, have you considered that there is a higher percentage of black children who commit crime than white children?
"That's racist" you say but you would be wrong. I do not blame thier race on this but thier practices: the Black community has has a massively higher rate of broken families than white familes, single parents make up 72% of black practices and single parentage has been frequently linked to bad behaviour in the resultant children.
We go on "Black children are 18 times more likely to be sentenced as adults than white children, and make up nearly 60 percent of children in prisons, according to the APA. Black juvenile offenders are much more likely to be viewed as adults in juvenile detention proceedings than their white counterparts."
"18 times more likely" comes from this which itself is quoting this which states
"An estimated 4,100 youth under the age of 18 were admitted to the nation’s state prisons in 2002. The majority (73%) of these new commitments were youth of color; 58% were African American, 10% were Latino, and 5% were youth of other races. As such, African American, Latino, and Native American youth had significantly higher prison admissions rates than White youth"
Correlation not causation, "60% of children in prisons" also correlation, Black people in america are disproprtionately likely to commit crime, it is not surprising that they are prone to outnumber other races in statistics.
Then it goes on about college graduates pay and household values, not sure why that is there as it's due to the private sector which by definition is not institutional.
"A black man is three times more likely to be searched at a traffic stop, and six times more likely to go jail than a white person. Blacks make up nearly 40 percent of arrests for violent crimes."
No comment on how many times the black population is likely to deserve jail or what percentage is responsable for violent crime.
"Blacks aren’t pulled over (and subsequently jailed) more frequently because they’re more prone to criminal behavior. They’re pulled over much more frequently because there is an “implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” the Sentencing Project found."
Quite the claim, how does the article support this?
"The numbers get ridiculous in certain parts of the country, the project found. On the New Jersey Turnpike, for instance, blacks make up 15 percent of drivers, more than 40 percent of stops and 73 percent of arrests – even though they break traffic laws at the same rate as whites. In New York City, blacks and Hispanics were three and four times as likely to be stopped and frisked as whites."
Same rate of Traffic violations but no comment on other violations leaving the possibility that black people are arrested at a higher rate during traffic stops for different crimes. I think that chris rock covered this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY
"If a black person kills a white person, they are twice as likely to receive the death sentence as a white person who kills a black person. Local prosecutors are much more likely to upgrade a case to felony murder if you’re black than if you’re white."
No link or reference here, going by the rest of the article I am disinclined to believe this statment.
"Juries are stacked against you if you’re black. Racial bias in jury selection is ridiculous – qualified black jurors are illegally turned away as much as 80 percent of the time in the jury selection process."
Link here is to a website that provides no sources while claiming things like "Some district attorney’s offices explicitly train prosecutors to exclude racial minorities from jury service and teach them how to mask racial bias to avoid a finding that anti-discrimination laws have been violated." Not exactly convincing stuff.
"And the color of the skin of the victims matters greatly in the punishment for capital crimes. Whites and blacks represent about half of murder victims from year to year, but 77 percent of people who are executed killed a white person, while only 13 percent of death row executions represent those who killed a black person." Considering that most murders are done by people of the same race as the victim this particular statistic actually seems to indicate that black people are under represented in death row.
A lot of conjecture bias and really poor sourcing results in a poor article and an unproven point. The instuitution is not racist and it is depressing to witness people trying to shift every problem of the community on a boogy-man.
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Originally Posted by Husar
That's just more "obvious" bullshit, because
a) I already proved his "observation" that black people don't care about their children getting shot by gangs wrong.
b) there are other ghetto cultures which are not black but also violent.
c) white greed poisoned them with lead, of course they are more aggressive, but it's not like they wanted that, chemistry just does that to them. Fix the stupid problems instead of letting the children of Flint and other cities continue to drink lead!
A) Apparantly "dont react near as much" means "dont care at all"
B) Seeing the state of the islamic ghettos in europe I have to agree.
C) Lead poisoning affected every black neighbourhood in the country but nowhere else?