I'm doing a poll to find out how many atheists we have among us. Ok so this is optional, you don't have to vote and it's confidential so vote as you please.
EDIT: SO far the Chrsitians are winning.
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I'm doing a poll to find out how many atheists we have among us. Ok so this is optional, you don't have to vote and it's confidential so vote as you please.
EDIT: SO far the Chrsitians are winning.
Is god only 'Chrsitian' for purposes of this poll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I beleave so.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
I don't believe in God but I'm not an atheist either, I'm agnostic :book:
Yey, the Atheists are in the lead!
I've only ever seen 3 muslims that post here and I haven't seen them on so I presumed the rest were Christian since the majority of people that come here are from North America and Europe.Quote:
Is god only 'Chrsitian' for purposes of this poll?
I believe in a God, more specifically an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God...with strange reasons for making us all
He may have existed, but if he did I'm sure he killed himself over us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ah_dut
I'm an Atheist, but not Agnostic. ~:)
:charge:
If you are making this poll about the Christian God only, then the results will be much different than if you make it about an all powerful spirit..
I Don't believe in god
I made it for everyone. Every god. Even Buddha.
:snicker:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
So why did you say the Chrsitians were winning? If I had known that this poll included Bebekung Mampa Hoonanooga, I'd of course have voted 'yes'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
~:)
And in the last 'Pope' thread BP declared himself his own god, so one assumes he voted "yes".
The poll itself doesn't specify which religion. It simply asks weather you beleave in a god or not.
The Christisn thing was just an assumption I made about who might have voted, it's irrelevent to the poll!
I'm not god yet. ~;)Quote:
And in the last 'Pope' thread BP declared himself his own god, so one assumes he voted "yes".
Somebody had to be there to turn the key and start the engine of creation (not the Joe Satriani album).
I think we dont even know ourselves, its hard to determine if there is a god or not. I believe in god. I dont believe in church-company that exploits relligion. I dont believe that god has to be my babysitter or personal gini(sp?).
I know alot of unfair things happen in the world but as my people say:along with Athena move your hand also. Meanning dont expect everything from above.
What about agnostics?! Ohh well, no possibly, so I'll have to say yes...
What's taking so long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I assume that the poll asks if there is a god who is not me, so I'll have to vote no.
Yes, I think we should beleave God. There is no way we can know for sure. Hence agnosticism is the only logical choice.
Agnosticism is a form of atheism. You don't know for sure weather god exists, correct?
Well if you are skeptic that means that your brain knows that there is no god but the futility and meaninglessness of the world bend your will to saying: "well maybe he does exist since without him the world is meaningless". So deep in your logical part of the brain you KNOW, you are 100%, god does not exist, but in your emotional part you think he does. You are split because you haven't considered other options
Well maybe the world is MEANT to be random and meaningless. Maybe THAT is the meaning of it.
Assumption alert. How do you know how all Agnostics think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I believe in God.
I believe in God and I believe he has a wonderful sense of humor, that's why BP is here. ~D
The 'yays' are gaining on the 'nays'.. Quick, somebody, redefine the premises!Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
~:eek:
i voted "no". i'm kind of an apathetic atheist. i don't care whether there is a god(s) or not.. but if i had to pick for some reason, i'm definitely in the nay camp until i see a miracle or something.
How did you determine that God possess these characteristics? I for one find them quite irreconcilable. Take for one God's supposed omnipotence, omniscience and benevolence (or more typically called his perfect goodness IIRC). Then the Argument from Evil is quite easy to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by ah_dut
(1) If God exists then he is omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good.
(2) If God were omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good then the world would not contain evil.
(3) The world contains evil.
Therefore:
(4) It is not the case that God exists.
I don't "beleave" in God simply because I'm not sure if he exists, it can't really be proven that he doesn't exist hence it is reasonable to doubt his existence. I don't mix in any emotions, my belief has nothing to do with conceiving the world to be meaningless, infact I don't perceive the world as meaningless...Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I believe that God has evil in the world because there has to be a balance of good and evil. Life would be rather boring if evil did not exist.
Skomatth, does one have to deterime the characteristics of a thing to believe in it? (not a rhtorical question, btw)
other than that, how do you justify (2) and (3)? why would "the world" be deviod of evil if such a god existed? and how do you know "evil" exists in the world?
Funny, that goes for me too, only I feel I am forced to care because religion is still such a big deal in today's world. Sometimes I catch myself looking at religious services or processions the way we watch tv history programmes about funny aviation concepts that never made it into the sky. Know what I mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
http://www.century-of-flight.net/avi...y/images/5.jpg
If so then you are not agnostic. You are what Big_John is, which is apathetic atheists. You just don't care weather god exists or not. You don't even want to deal with that. accept accept reality as it is rationally concivable: total and obsolete randomness and meaningless until you give it your own individual meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowhobbit
of course not, adrian. i never know what you mean. http://www.mazeguy.net/expressive/spin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
i will say that while i don't care if god exists, i do care whether other people believe such, mainly for practical reasons.
~:eek: The Bhuddists are winning!
~:cool:
Me three, but I still think we're better off with the majority of people at least trying to follow things like the Ten Commandments or Pillars or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Fortuitous development. Bebekung Mampa Hoonanooga has taken decisive lead in poll.
:kiss2::sultan::kiss2:
Who says they do, oh Straussian Amazone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
That's "whether".Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
I do believe in God - but not some old guy on a cloud - more of a creative force. And as you know i'm not religious.
I don't believe in any God or gods.
I believe that the closest we humans will ever come to contemplating the divine is seeing Anna Kournikova's ass.
Sounds really lame but he/she/it is God...I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required. I cannot rationalize it properly, I believe perhaps foolishly but I nevertheless believe :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skomatth
Hurin Roolz.Quote:
Originally Posted by ah_dut
*Slaps God in a box*
I don't see how the existence of evil proves the lack of existence of God...
God is a British man. From the borders, or somewhere in Lothian, and speaks RP, but with a slight Edinburgh/borders accent
hey uh... i got your lord here.. where you want it?
https://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/dem0819/giab.jpg
Remember, if you are God them I am UBERGOD!Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Btw I voted yes because I'm a good person and catholic. So ha.
Big_John I take it that you mean "believe" as "believe to exist", else I don't see any other meaningful connotation. To believe in a god one does not have to determine the characteristics of it, merely the characteristic of existence. People do this in many different ways, using a variety of arguments- cosmological, ontological personal etc. If one asserts a characteristic beyond existence, there must be a reason to believe it, or I can make an assertion exactly contrary to yours and it will be equally justified. We can also rule out certain characteristics of God if they lead to a false conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
I of course did not come up with the argument from evil; it is just a basic example of how to counter ah_dut's assertions. "Evil" and "good" come from the Christian connotations. (2) is justified thusly: If God is perfectly good, He
wants the best for mankind. If He is all-knowing, he knows exactly how to bring about the best for mankind. If He is all-powerful, He is able to bring about the best for mankind. It is easy to see that evil exists in the world if one takes evil to mean: "contrary to the will of a Christian God".
agnostic vote here, so no god, but that doesnt say much.
I do not believe in God and am an atheist. The belief in God, in my opinion, is self deceiving.
What I find so interesting is that the votes are always in the 50/50 range which suggests a sharp decline from the presurposed 90% Christian community of the Western world.
Of ocurse most of us are also in the youth sector so it might take a while before the ratio trully get's to the 50/50 range.
:devilish: Long like our ANTI-CHRIST generation! :devilish:
Once I get my AK I plan to even that out. :hanged:Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Words of wisdom.Quote:
I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required.
Such fools some people are to presume they know what God should be and what (s)he should do.
That applies to priests and athiests alike..
You either feel the presence of something more than the physical world or you do not, in which case youre most certainly going to hell. (:tongue2:)
....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
,,,
Your such a good Christian you would want to kill people on a mass scale simply because people are not Christian. Remind me again why we are against Islamic extremists again?
I forget.
heh you do realize i wasn't serious.
Just a well placed counter to BP
Hey I would love to meet the devil.
I bet you he's a lot like the ancient greek god Pan. In fact he IS the god Pan, who penetrated the Christian religion somehow just like Santa!
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/4549/n590540sx.jpg
Hehe it's pretty unbeleavable this small deity from the mountains became the most terrifying being in the biggest religion the world has ever seen.
I throw out your reality and replace it with my own.
"unbelievable".Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
He is also the Celtic god Cernunnos, who was at least six times more kickass than Pan. He is also the "snake" because of the popularity of snake cults around Egypt and Judaea at the time, which threatened to overthrow the religion in place.
Well-placed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Who is this weather god Thor? And why do you want the BE to Leave ~D Its believe. Im a lousy speller but I cant take these two over and over. ~;)Quote:
You just don't care weather god exists
Also the questin posed depends a lot on what the meaning of believe is. To belive something can mean thats what you think is so or it can also mean that which you know is true. Their not quite the same. I believe there is a god. But who or what that is is beyond me. If you ask me am I sure for certain theres a god Id have to say no. So in what manner is this question posed? That will have a big effect on the results of this poll and may explain why so many people vote no even though they are Christains. Or at least claim to be.
Aren't you a little old to be making childish points like this? ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
It is posed as it is written my senior friend. Do you believe in god? If you believe he exists you check "YES" if not then "NO". It's not too hard is it? ~DQuote:
So in what manner is this question posed? That will have a big effect on the results of this poll and may explain why so many people vote no even though they are Christains. Or at least claim to be.
Define 'god'.
Please.
Wanna vote, but can't 'til you do.
I don't believe in God. If he exist, he doesn't deserve to be believed in........
I can't answer either option. Every religion in Earth is painfully and blatantly nonsense, but that doesn't mean there isn't someting that mankind might view as a god.
I'm not really an atheist, but I am not religious, it isn't a topic I think about in my daily life.
god [god]Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
n (plural gods)
1. supernatural being: one of a group of supernatural male beings in some religions, each of which is worshiped as the personification or controller of some aspect of the universe
NO!
Anyway, beyond my enthusiasm for Atheism it seems that more people do not believe than do believe. 26 to 22 at the moment. Hurray for Atheism!
Yes I do.
25 yes, 26 no
more people voted yes than I expected.
To all atheists: I don't mind you not believing in god, but try not to isult people who do.
Vote for NO.
I don't believe in God(s).
There's no reason to.
No problems with people that do, though.
But I guess a little bit of faith has a place in Science, too.
@Byzantine Prince:
The topic on Agnosticism vs. Atheism is an exhausted topic on these boards. At least for the older members. There were several threads that discussed this around the same time I made this poll: What are your Beliefs? (NB: the change of forum engine has resulted in some of my formatting not working).
Some of the other threads are linked into my summary (post #2 in the above thread).
[edit]: It seems like the links I mention above has URLs to the old forum and hence are not working properly. They do however exist somewhere on this new version of the forum but I can't remember who posted them or when they were first posted.
And… you know what beleave means? (not believe)
Yes, I do. In every aspect.
Atheists seem to be the ones who always look down on others, or is it just that they know they´re wrong and feel they have to defend themselves by mentioning their atheism almost everywhere. Isn´t it enough that I have to feel almost personally attacked by films like the life of Brian? It´s often the same people who tell us to have respect for other people´s believes and thoughts and then start to make fun of jesus, the bible and other things.
Not only crusades can hurt other people, words can do that, too.
And btw, no, I´m not catholic. ~;)
I don´t mind if you are atheists, buddhist, maoist, islamic, catholic, protestant etc., but as long as I don´t make fun of you for what you believe(even if you believe in nothing), please don´t make fun of me for what I believe. :bow:
sorry but life of Brian rocks IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar
That's a fine line we're walking here, Drisos. Some members call some of my ideas absurd and they have every right to do so. I have the same right with regard to other peoples' ideas. I have every right to state that some religious notions look to me like aviation experiments that have long been overtaken by social and scientific progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
On the other hand, I stated above that I take religion seriously because so many other people on this earth do. And I do. I have many times defended my view that the Bible, the Quran and other 'holy' books are worth reading and respecting in their own right, even though I do not regard them as sources of revealed truths. I have shown that I am more than superficially interested in Christian theology and in Christian writers, from Mauriac through Lewis, and I have made it clear in a seemingly endless series of 'Pope threads' that I don't share the common anti-Church view on Aids prevention in Africa.
But I' m not a Christian and I have a right to say and demonstrate why and in what ways Christianity looks absurd to me. Christians have the right to say (as a friend of mine once did) that my world view reminds them of an ant colony that reproduces itself without an apparent higher motive or aim. It made me smile, and it made me understand him a little bit more. That's the upside to such discussions. We should be able to write such things about each other, mostly in jest, and thereby reveal ourselves and get a better understanding.
That's why you'll always find me on your side in a 'Christianity sux' thread.
I have to say that as a film it´s pretty funny, but only if I ignore who they´re making fun of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idomeneas
I believe that there must be no limits to satyric plays. Nobody has to see something that IHO insult his beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I think if your religous the life of brian is even funnier to you. I know it cracked me up. If you cant laugh at yourself or your own beliefs you have no real sense of humor.
i honestly did not like that movie
and i am a huge python fan
to each his own (certain parts were alright; like the "what have the romans done" bit)
I believe.
Somehow, I find it implausible to assume humans somehow evolved from innert objects. But I guess spontaneous generation still has its proponents, even 100 years after Pasteur...
But not only that, I have faith in the one, everlasting God who created me.
Crazed Rabbit
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
ive used that one before
fair post, all in all - and i understand where you are coming from
Let's hear some creation theories from our atheist members. Here's mine:
I believe we were created by the one, the everlasting whirlwind of chaotic randomness.
didn't expect that, 10 more no's than yes's
Does playing "God" in Total War count ~D
Spontaneous creation. Some life had to come after unlife, it was just a matter of time before single celled ortganisms poopped into existence and then evolved into chemical meat bags, such as us.