Mundus Magnus. Large strategy map, version 2.

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Mundus Magnus, v.2.0

Features:

1. New map expanded to north, south and east, with numerous changes within old area.
2. More or less geographically correct depiction of landscapes and provinces (for 270 BC).

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3. Corrected base farm levels of provinces. Better farms can be built only in regions with high fertility.
4. Storms and floods happens more often.
5. 4 new trade resources: ivory, salt, fish and horses.

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6. Historically correct start positions of factions.
7. Historically correct factions' symbols. (For strategy map only. You have to unpack pack files before installation to play with all new images.).

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8. Scythia replaced with Sarmatia.

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9. Rebalanced factions.
10. Corrected compositions of rebels.
11. Corrected old and new added mercenaries pools.
12. New rebel units: Moorish Archers, Garamante Warriors, Nubian Spearmen.

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13. New mercenary units: Aetolian Cavalry, Nomadic Cataphracts, Nubian Archers, Syrian Archers.

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14. New units in city's view.

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15. Rebels can produce diplomats, spies and assassins now.
16. Reworked speed of units on different ground types on battle and strategy maps.
17. Increased movement radius on strategy map.
18. New walls system: wooden wall (available in town) - stone wall (available in large town) - large stone wall (available in huge city).
19. Buildings corrections:
- Stone walls are now available for Gauls, Iberians and Dacians.
- Sarmatia cannot build walls.
- Roads are not available in deserts anymore.
- Caravan type buildings are available in lower levels of city.
- Caravan type buildings are not available for Pontus anymore. Carthage and Numidia can build such type of buildings in desert regions. Silk Road is available for Parthia only.
- Sarmatia cannot build roads, but can build Caravan.
20. Anti-squalor changes:
- "Health" buildings now have happiness bonus.
- "Academy" buildings now have happiness and law bonuses.
- Happiness bonus of "Entertainment" and "Tavern" buildings now increased.
- Law bonuses of "Despotic" buildings now increased.
- Walls now have law bonus.
- Hippodrome and Circus Maximus now have happiness bonus.
- Happiness and law bonuses of temples increased.
- Increased effect of anti-squalor and law traits and ancillaries.
21. Other cosmetic changes: correct leader pictures and new faction maps for faction selection screen; new faction colors for mini-map.
22. Include community fixes:
- Enabled mercenary Horse Archers in Armenia mercenary pool.
- Seleucid Armoured Elephants are available only in regions with elephant resource now.
- Iberian generals have proper appearance now.
- Thracian Phalanx Pikemen are now available in Army Barracks.
- Praetorian Cohorts can no longer be recruited before Marian reforms.
- Scythian and Pontic General's units are upgraded after Marian reforms now.
- Horse Archers can proper fire while moving.
- Gauls can no longer recruit Naked Fanatics with farming shrine.
- Rebel archers don't have British swordsman among 'em anymore.
- Numidian family members can get priests as ancillaries now.
- Assassins gains experience for successful sabotage now.
- Fixed inconsistent mass values for Bastarnae Mercenaries, Bull Warriors, Silver Shield Legionaries.
- Later Thracian general's bodyguards have proper stats now.
- Sarmatian Mercenaries and Illyrian Mercenaries use correct modifiers when fighting mounted units.
- Head Hurlers now are infantry throwing heads before charge.
- Seleucid War Elephants now use indian elephant model instead of african.
23. Include descriptions from "Completed Factions" mod by jpinard/Luvian/Siblesz.


Muchas gracias to Europa Barbarorum mod team, especially eadingas.
Thanks to jpinard, Luvian and Siblesz for their Completed Factions mod.
Thanks to CA for improving AI in 1.2.
Thanks to Titus Andronicus for new units.
Thanks to LAca for Garamante warrior.
Thanks to Warspite for textures. (Sorry, man, I could not contact you anyhow to ask for permission. Hope, you don't mind I use it.)
Thanks to all TW community for ideas.


Link for download:
http://www.twcenter.net/downloads/db/index.php?mod=563

Nice work!

The original was great; this looks as if it'll be even better ~D

Great map, but is there any way to use it with the old wall system?

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Originally Posted by Lasias Wenson

Great map, but is there any way to use it with the old wall system?

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Yes. Don't install these files:

descr_building_battle.txt
descr_sm_settlements.txt
descr_walls.txt
export_descr_advice.txt

Restore to vanilla walls section in export_descr_buildings.txt. Delete stone walls in several barbarian cities in descr_strat.txt.

great show dear fellow!! one thing.....BRITISH ARCHERS, why oh why do peoplke always miss out the fact briton has no archers...idea for patch lol

Great stuff as usual

Excellent! I thoroughly enjoyed the last version. I hope everything is clear with EB this time, though.

Great mod! i love the new units. I tried playing as the rebels but it was just to overwhelming.. So i think i will try as rome .

How does one "unpack the pack files"? I'd like to see the new factions in use by every facet of the game.

i use the older version of this mod becuase i havent got enough time to install the new version yet **and I WILL keep the old wall system sorry**

also i put the dogs and pigs back in because im a fiend for as many units as possible

its my own preferance i guess...the dogs are weak anyways and easy 2 kill with arrows...

i really want to install the new version but....will my savegame work from the old version? if not, im going to finish my game first before i get the new version
by then im sure version 3 will be out

can i make a suggestion for version 3 please?

please leave the old wall system in there **But pls keep your brick walls addition for barbarians-thats a good addition**

i personally like building 5 or so versions of walls ....

other than that I LOVE the MM!!!
you guys are freaking awesome and i totally respect what your doing for this game

THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES!!!!! ~:cheers:

hey actually what do i have to do to just add these 2 things *because i have edited the original version alot and i dont want to lose those tweaks*

i want to add only

- The new units

- the new city view units

if you have time to walk me thru it thank you very much indeed
agian your Mod rocks !!

and i would LOVE to see this mod MM compatible with the ChivTW mod

i dont know if you guys know each other or anything but it would be great to see you guys do some sort of combined project of the sorts (for the campaign map when C:TW is finished)

if u guys dont want to do that , its fine
ill eventually figure out how to do it *if possible*
for my own purposes lol

agian Great Mod here!!

what do i have to install to have just the new strategy map and starting locations? i love to conquer all the land in the game, but i need more land.

Im so confused with all the .pak stuff i cant install this gaaa

i must say scythians live in ukraine -your disposition for sarmatians wrong

scythian live on dniper river near crimea island
and control terrytory (от дуная до волги - я прочитал множество исторических книг и уверенно утверждаю это - сарматы жили ближе к волге и за волгой и на самом юге укрины - но по численности и по контролировании территорий скифы значительно превосходили сарматов -on russ)

i tried instalking the game on an unmodified 1.2 installation, and the game just crashes when i start it up. i may have read the .pak directions wrong because it was in broken english. if anyone could help me, that would be great.

2 ThIrD-EyE

Hi, u've to unpack *.pac files using unpacker - u'll see DATA folder within PACKS folder with unpacked files, copy patch.pac to new folder PATCH_UNPACKED (for example) and rename this file to ui_1.pac (for example) and run unpacker again. Copy DATA folder from PATCH_UNPACKED to PACKS and overwrite older files. And finally just copy DATA from PACKS to //Rome Total War. Thats all ;)

And finally - delete PACKS folder and enjoy game ~D

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hi all

I've installed version 2 of the great mundus map. I am playing romans (Juli), but i'm not able to build some roads.

Anyone knows the reason???

I've installed 2.0 over an existing version 1.2 or so from the mundus map. I already tried to make some changes in "export_descr_buildings.txt" but with no effect yet.

oh I'm so sorry

now it works. I took an old version of file "export_descr_buildings.txt"

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I love this mod soooooo much...

Playing a Parthia campaign on it right now. I've conquered just about half of the Seleucid lands ~:) The map is HUGE!!!

plz rename name scythiamns on map magnus v2 on more historical right name massagets
becouse scythians live on dniepr(borisfen) and done and danube rivers and in crimea island- need read more history books ~;)

Does the map really slow down the game? Its just i was thinking of downloading it but I imagine the end turns are twice as long and that always does my nut in with the waiting.

There isn't much of an increase in turn length - only the rebels seems longer, and not by much.

I really like the new map and faction stuff. Too bad you can't do the packing work with ModSwitcher - but other than that I have no complaints.

there seems to be a CTD problem with the way the nubian spearmen are setup without phalanx mode. On battle map it tends to crash when you issue them to charge at close range (i think).

I'd like to know what files I need to install/modify to have only the new map (and maybe the new units, altho I can go with the map only if it's simplier). No road, farms etc. tweaks, tgas and Scythia/Sarmatia thingy. Some I don't like (want the epic walls back), some I already have, but the main reason is that some of the changes seem to mess with my other tweaking mods and also with some changes I made on my own and which I would really like to keep.

I've tried to only use the provincial campaign folder, mundus_magnus_regions_and_settlement_ names.txt and three .txt files dealing with merc pools and rebel factions. Then show_err came up with dozens of errors about farm, desert and road type resources, new units and immobile and altruist traits. I sorted all this out and BAM - no more help from show_err! :dizzy2: ~:confused: ~:confused: :dizzy2: Now it's just CTD when I try to start the campaign and I'm out of ideas what could be wrong. Plz help, I really like this mo and want to try it out. :help:

this mod is great, i love the size of the map especialy! But I want to be able to conquer the entire map with yhe julii faction how do i change the victory conditions so that i may have a chance to do so?

Victory conditions cannot be edited currently, so what you have to do is change the rome province. Put rome in a corner of the map as rebels or something, then you'll have to capture it before you win.

I've deleted your double post.

hi all!
i'm new here, and new to modding this game, so be patient with me ~:)

i tried to install this mod over a clean ver1.2.
i finished the prologue (for some reason, i failed to do so after installing the mod, so i reinstalled the whole game, done the tutorial, and then installed the mod. is that reasonable? should i be able to start off without the tutorial?)
i unpacked all the packs, including patch.
i copied all the unpacked files into data folder
i copied all the files from the zip file into data folder.

now i can get to choosing a faction in the modded provicial campaign, but then the game shuts down without any warning.

what did i do wrong?

Hi! I'm new to these forums and this is my first post so bear with me.

I find that I am also having trouble with the CTD bug with respect to Nubian Spearmen charging against other units. As the first time I encountered this bug was it was with Nubian Spearman against Desert Cavalry, I based the rest of my tests upon Nubian Spearman against other sorts of cavalry. I carried out this experiment using custom battle and each time a cavalry unit is charged by the Nubian Spearman unit regardless of which unit I am in control of, the game crashes to desktop without fail.

I was wondering if anyone knows of a workaround for this CTD bug or if anyone knows which specific files to add or delete to restore the Nubian Spearman units back to their original state?

Hey, is there any plans to do this for BI?

Hello, everybody!

By the way, excellent mod, I'm enjoying a lot. It's really awesome!

But I need some help with the skirmish bug!
I read the txt file, and it says that the mod has already incorporated the correction for this bug!

But, when I was playing with the "militia cavalry", a kind of horse archer, but with javalins, I could realize that they are not throwing the javalins while skirmishing, they fire only when they're stopped!

Is it the bug?
I have not yet the opportunity to test the real horse archers.........
How can I fix it?

Could anybody support me?

Thanks anyway
Regards, Abdel Hak

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Originally Posted by Abdel Hak

Hello, everybody!

By the way, excellent mod, I'm enjoying a lot. It's really awesome!

But I need some help with the skirmish bug!
I read the txt file, and it says that the mod has already incorporated the correction for this bug!

But, when I was playing with the "militia cavalry", a kind of horse archer, but with javalins, I could realize that they are not throwing the javalins while skirmishing, they fire only when they're stopped!

Is it the bug?
I have not yet the opportunity to test the real horse archers.........
How can I fix it?

Could anybody support me?

Thanks anyway
Regards, Abdel Hak

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First of all, I didn't change anything for this unit. I made some tests and... welcome another bug by CA! The problem is that the distance when militia cavalry begins to "rout" in skirmish mod is longer then distance of their "shots". They just cannot throw their javelins, 'coz enemies are too far from them. But too close to begin recede. Man, isn't it funny!? ~;)

Answering to the questions about bug with Nubian spearmen. Sorry, men, I don't know what you're talking about. I tested this unit against cavalry for several times and everything works fine. Are you sure you didn't change something in files after installing of MM?

If you want to restore original stats of NS, just replace it in MM's export_descr_unit.txt with vanilla text. Should work.

Hello, Dead Mouroz, thanks for the answer!

By the way, I'd like to give you more data.....

Most of the time, when I rout with my Militia Cavalry, I do this manually, and not automatically, pressing the SKIRMISH button.

So, I can garantee you that the distance between my militia cavary and the unit that is persuing me is short enough to allow my cavalry to thrown their javalins.....

Sometimes I rout walking, sometimes running.....and the militia cavalry don't thrown their javalins.....

But here you go an interesting data: When I send the militia cavalry run or walk into the direction of the enemy unit, they could thrown their javalins.
But if my unit is running away (I think can say SKIRMISHING) from the enemy unit, the bug appears!

Could you, or anyone, check this? Thanks for listening to me!

Best Regards, Abdel Hak

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Originally Posted by Abdel Hak

Hello, Dead Mouroz, thanks for the answer!

Sometimes I rout walking, sometimes running.....and the militia cavalry don't thrown their javalins.....

Best Regards, Abdel Hak

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uhmm units that are routing do *not* fire anything, they just get the hell out of there and try to get over the edges of the map ASAP.

except for elephant units who run amok and trample any unit they encounter, including your own units.

Hello GMT.
Sorry, but I think I mada a mistake,using a wrong word!

I shouldn't use the word "routing"., but running away from enemy unit, like in SKIRMISH mode!

When this kind of unit (militia cavalry) are skirmishing from enemy unit, they are able to thrown their javalins....
And usually, I control the skirmish mode manually, because I don't trust the skirmish button. I lost many units because of this!

Abdel Hak

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Originally Posted by SAn'kheriv

hi all!
i'm new here, and new to modding this game, so be patient with me ~:)

i tried to install this mod over a clean ver1.2.
i finished the prologue (for some reason, i failed to do so after installing the mod, so i reinstalled the whole game, done the tutorial, and then installed the mod. is that reasonable? should i be able to start off without the tutorial?)
i unpacked all the packs, including patch.
i copied all the unpacked files into data folder
i copied all the files from the zip file into data folder.

now i can get to choosing a faction in the modded provicial campaign, but then the game shuts down without any warning.

what did i do wrong?

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im having a simular problem

i installed ver1.2 of rtw and then downloaded mundus magnus

i used winzip to unpack the files and copied them into the data folder

i can get all the way to choosing the faction but then when i click to continue it crashes to the desktop. can someone help me?

i used winRAR not winzip sry

ive been messing around with it for a while and i think my problem is i dont know how to use xpak. can someone give a better discription on how to use it. i really want to play mundus magnus! it looks so cool

Why would you need to use xpak to play MM? Anyways, there´s a quite exhausting tutorial in the scriptorium for xpak.

To find a problem with crashes, add the line -show_err to the command line in the desktop shortcut.

well i got xpak to unpack all the .pak files including the "patch" file by following directions. i put all the .pak files in a separt folder except the "patch" file and put xpak.exe and xpak.bat along with them and ran xpak.bat. i then changed the name of the patch file and ran xpak.bat in the same folder puting all the files into the DATA folder. i then put all the folders in the DATA folder into my rome data folder then copied the contents of the install.zip (after unziping it) into the rome data folder. it is still crashing after selecting a faction and going to play the campain. i added -show_err to the target line in the shortcut but did nothing and it still crashes...im so confused

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well i got xpak to unpack all the .pak files including the "patch" file by following directions. i put all the .pak files in a separt folder except the "patch" file and put xpak.exe and xpak.bat along with them and ran xpak.bat. i then changed the name of the patch file and ran xpak.bat in the same folder puting all the files into the DATA folder. i then put all the folders in the DATA folder into my rome data folder then copied the contents of the install.zip (after unziping it) into the rome data folder. it is still crashing after selecting a faction and going to play the campain. i added -show_err to the target line in the shortcut but did nothing and it still crashes...im so confused

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now you know how i feel. it sucks that alot of good mods are made or released by people who dont speak good english. it leads to confusion if you cant understand what the person is trying to see. case in point, the directions for installing MM. i gave up on it because i got bored of RTW.

I get the same problem with the CTD after selecting the faction. I installed on a clean RTW 1.2 just be copying the install.zip into the data folder then running it. Do i need to extract the pak files, then install MM?

EDIT: using xpack extracting pak files and then installing made no difference so im stuck no idea whats wrong. any ideas people?

EDIT2: will now go to loading screen after selecting faction but CTDs at about 75% loaded

Hello.
Are you ngr from twcenter name?
If yes then we have talked before.
If not then pls tell me if I could use this great map into my upcoming darthmod_5.8
Infact I am ready to upload but need your permission.
Do I have to ask also someone else?

I started the Mundus Magnus campaign just yesterday, and I love the new look of the radar map, it looks better than the original.

Mo-Tito, could it be you tried to start the Imperial campaign? I haven´t tried, but selecting provincial campaign works just fine.

Right.
If you want to use the files in the patch_0.pak I'd suggest the following approach:
- Extract xpak.exe to your Data/packs directory
- Create a file named xpak.bat in the same directory
- Right click on xpak.bat and choose "Edit"
- Notepad should open. Paste the following lines into it (make sure Word Wrap is off and these are TWO lines) and save the file:
xpak.exe -mkdir models_building_textures.pak battle_open.pak game_init.pak sprites_1.pak ui_0.pak ui_1.pak models_unit_textures.pak sprites_0.pak patch_0.pak
xpak.exe models_building_textures.pak battle_open.pak game_init.pak sprites_1.pak ui_0.pak ui_1.pak models_unit_textures.pak sprites_0.pak patch_0.pak
- Run xpak.bat
- Copy the Data/packs/DATA directory to your "Rome - Total War" directory, overwriting everything
- Delete all contents of the Data/packs directory

About the CTDs: Ya, have you tried to start the Imperial Campaign or the Provincial Campaign?

This is where my PC skills deminish lol all this pack unpack stuff I cant get it for the life of me but want this map. Im going n-u-t-z!

I don´t see your problem, MiniKiller. Download the mod package, unzip it (doubleclicking on it should start Winzip), read the readme, do as it says, start Rome and select "Provincial campaign", there you are. Where´s the dificulty?
Unless you want to do some modding on your own there´s nothing more to do.

I've downloaded this mod and I love the new map. I'm playing as Carthage, and it was a great joy to see, that I started with Sicily for myself ~;)

Some questions remain though.

1) Why does every rebel city contain crack troops backed by a great and unbribable leader? I accept that this may make the game longer since you have to fight every rebel force instead of bribing them, but it still seems weird and unhistorical.

2) The Ptolemaic Empire still employs troops from the old times (axemen etc.)? I thought you'd exchange them with phalanxes and such?

3) Are you saying that there can be no roads at all in the desert? That makes expanding south from Carthage much harder. I'll see how it works when I get there.

4) Since I'm playing Carthage I'm sad to see they don't get any archers (pet peeve - sorry)

5) I managed to unpack the new icons and they're beautifull. Still this should be a bit easier if possible.

Still I love the mod, and I hugely respect the work put into it.

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1) Why does every rebel city contain crack troops backed by a great and unbribable leader?

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I agree, I think that´s a bit overdone, especially if you count in the roaming crack rebel armies, too. Anything else it´s fun. As a matter of fact, I almost feel like I´m playing some new version of "Master of Magic", not because of the units, but there you also started conquering rebels for quite some time before the first real opponent showed up.
By the way, another problem might arise from the initial distribution of the factions, since the AI seems unable to cross the sea in order to conquer new lands, it´s unlikely that the AI-controlled Britons or Scipii get anywhere.

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By the way, another problem might arise from the initial distribution of the factions, since the AI seems unable to cross the sea in order to conquer new lands, it´s unlikely that the AI-controlled Britons or Scipii get anywhere.

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I have to disagree.

In my Carthage game the Scipiones have taken Sparta, Corinth and Athens, so they are doing just fine with naval assault. To bad for them, that I have taken their southern city in Italy and am closing in on Capua... The Brutii have taken a couple of cities across the sea too.

I was just quoting some findings of others here in the forum, or rather the general forum, for that matter. I really can´t tell. Of course, I would gladly see my source proven wrong.

I have been playing the MM mod for a few weeks now and I'm loving it so far, but unfortunately I am suffering multiple CTDs right now.

In my Scipii campaign, I have entered into a war with the Ptolemaic Empire, and now I am fighting the first battles against them. I have now tried to finish a first battle against Egypt, but EVERY TIME the game CTDs. Not good.

I read the posts by other members mentioning a CTD when the opposition brings Nubian Spearmen to the battle. Well, the Egyptian army I fought (resulting in a CTD each time - I tried twice), had 5 units of Nubian Spearmen.
It's a pity that this CTD ruins my Scipii campaign, as I was really loving the new campaign map.

Anyone else had problems with the Nubians? Is there a way to dribble around this annoying and show-stopping CTD (I don't want to start autocalcing my battles vs Egypt because of their stupid chariots).
Thanks for your help.

Some pictures:
The status of my campaign: everyone is expanding.
https://img391.imageshack.us/img391/...ampaign7ib.jpg

And this is the army that I can't beat because of the repeated CTD interruption:
https://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5720/nubians7rh.jpg

Maybe one could copy vanilla nubian spearmen stats into the unit-file?

Probably not as simple as that? ~:confused:

Have you tried using the show_err command, Tricky Lady? That might give a hint to what is at fault.

Mmmm, I'm going to try that this evening, yes... Haven't thought of that before.

I also checked the Readme.txt again, and I can't seem to find any changes related to the Nubian Spearmen, so perhaps it's something related to my PC? I just found it bizarre that other members had the same problem when fighting the same units so...

Another small issue: The faction icons that are displayed when other factions play their turn are still the old, vanilla ones. Is there any way to upgrade these icons to Deadmoroz' new versions, as those are much nicer?
Tnx.

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Maybe one could copy vanilla nubian spearmen stats into the unit-file?

Probably not as simple as that? ~:confused:

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I could compare the MM unit file to the vanilla unit file and see if there are any changes...

Can you tell me which files to compare as I'm a complete n00b when it comes to modding RTW. :wacko:

well I don't know if the system makes a backup of the vanilla - otherwise you have to have your own backup or a separate "clean" install.

The unit lies in the data directory and is called "export_descr_unit.txt" or something very close to that. There are probably other files at work (graphicsfiles, soundfiles etc.) but this file contains all data about how the unit performs (speed, strength, ect.)

I'll try to pick a fight with the Ptolemaics later today and see if I get a CTD. More info when I get there.

I compared the two files (MM export_descr_unit against the vanilla one), and found some differences:

From the Mundus Magnus file:

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type            egyptian nubian spearmen
dictionary      egyptian_nubian_spearmen      ; Nubian Spearmen
category        infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type      Heavy_1
soldier          egyptian_nubian_infantry, 60, 0, 1.5
attributes      sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap
formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 5, horde
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri        5, 10, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    spear
stat_sec        2, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  0, 3, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        -1
stat_ground      2, 2, 0, -2
stat_mental      2, impetuous, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 230, 100, 30, 40, 230
ownership        egypt, slave

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From the vanilla file:

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type            egyptian nubian spearmen
dictionary      egyptian_nubian_spearmen      ; Nubian Spearmen
category        infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type      Heavy_1
soldier          egyptian_nubian_infantry, 40, 0, 1
attributes      sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap
formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri        5, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    spear
stat_sec        2, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  0, 3, 5, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        -1
stat_ground      2, 2, -2, -2
stat_mental      2, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 230, 100, 30, 40, 230
ownership        egypt

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As you can see, there are some differences in the categories "soldier", "attributes", "formation", "stat_pri", "stat_ground", "stat_mental".

I have no clue if these stats contribute to the CTDs but perhaps someone of you see something particular in these stats?

I'll see if Custom battles produce the same issue...

EDIT:
I just ran a few Custom battles (Egypt vs Romans), and I was unable to reproduce the CTD (a good thing actually). I tried a few different setups (Nubians vs legionaries, vs cavalry etc) and on different terrain (grasslands, desert), and everything went well.
So I relaunched my campaign, fought "the" battle against Egypt again, and this time I could charge and rout the Nubians, and -yay!!- the game didn't CTD. A good thing really, so I quickly saved the game.

Now I'm even more puzzled what caused the crash? Perhaps the Nubians charged my men in the previous battles? I don't know...

Well I tried the Nubians yesterday too. No CTD. I noticed the differences too, but they seemed harmless enough. They make the nubians a lot more rabble-like and that's cool.

I guess the nubians are off the hook for now.

I did get a total CTD later, while checking the development of the carthagenian general that took Roma.

I agree, downgrading the Nubian spearmen to some sort of untrained rabble is a good change. There are many good things in the MM mod, so I don't think I'll ever play vanilla RTW anymore now. I just can't play on such a "small-scale" map anymore :wink:

Bit strange that you got a CTD on such a harmless action (checking stats), Magraev. I can't remember my RTW crashing after installing the 1.2 patch. So there certainly is something, but it's perhaps not directly related to installing the Mundus Magnus mod?

Anyway, I'll keep on playing. Hopefully the game won't CTD anymore. I'll report other CTDs here, if they pop up.
Happy bug-hunting! :wink:

Have you changed the stats back to the vanilla version ones, Tricky Lady, or what did you do?

No, I haven't changed anything yet.

Just fought a few Roman vs Egypt battles on the campaign map again, and the first two went okay (Egypt fielded Nubians in both battles), but the third one CTD'ed .... again.

The battle was going okay for me, but the CTD happened when I charged my front line (triarii) towards the Egyptians (Nubian spearmen).
I also charged their general (chariot archers) unit but my men hadn't made it up there yet when the game crashed. As far as I can remember (my attention was at another part of the battlefield), the triarii were about to make contact with the Nubian spearmen. *sigh*

Yesterday I thought that the CTD was just an unlucky coincidence, but now it seems that there is something more structurally wrong somewhere.
I hope we can solve this issue as this mod has renewed my interest in RTW, and no way that I'll play vanilla RTW again (unless for PBM purposes).

EDIT:
Custom battles with principes, triarii vs Nubian spearmen and egyptian general chariots didn't reproduce the CTD. :confused:

IIRC a non phalanx spear unit causes a crash when switching to a secondary weapon.
Solution : either give the nubians phalanx ability or disable their secondary weapon.

OK sounds reasonable.

But which of the following things do I have to modify in order to test your theory?

Code:

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stat_sec        2, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no

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Thanks for your help

After reading this thread, I decided to modify the txt files a little (according to the hints given by JeromeGrasdyke and Duke John), but oddly I cannot avoid the CTDs as soon as I use Nubian spearmen.

I ran a couple of custom battles, and I noticed that when you ALT-attack the opponents (so the Nubians use their secondary weapon, right?) there is no problem.
But try to have them switch from their secondary weapons back to their spears when they're already engaged in a melee. You'll have a CTD. Guaranteed.

I'll try to replace the current secondary weapon (a knife) by the stats for peasants. Hope it will work!

EDIT: it works. :smiley:

Ok, maybe it is switching from and not switching to a secondary weapon that causes CTD .
Anyway the problem is the switching.


In the example you give it would be the first number to reduce to 0, and while you are at it do the same for the second.

stat_sec 2, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no

becomes
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr no

It should not be too tricky, now ~;)

Another way to solve this is to change the animation used for the secondary weapon, making the model a fs spearman, fs spearman instead of a fs spearman, fs swordsman.
I have not a very good idea of how skilled you are at text editing that game, and I am not using my mother tongue ( yes , Belgian too... ) so I can just hope it is clear enough.

So when I implement the changes you propose, the Nubians will keep the knife as a secondary weapon, but the game won't crash when they switch between their two weapons? Would be good.

Anyway, I fought many battles against the Egyptians in the mean time (more than I would have wanted by the way; I hate those yellow armies). No more troubles nor CTDs so far, so that's good :wink:

Yes with the last change I suggested they would keep their stupid knives and use them with the spear animation, underhand stabbing.

Dead'ushka Moroz, thanks a lot for your mod. There're exactly cool faction symbols and other usefull stuff.
Keep on modding!

wonderful

:huh2: Is this mod compatible with other mods?

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Is this mod compatible with other mods?

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with vlad total war mod -best mod for rome total war game
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...794#post930794

To bad this does not work with 1.3 :embarassed:

Yeah - we need a new version for the BI :help:

and a new one for the orignal

The Mod I dream is Magna Carta with RTR units ;)~;) :bow:

Really nice map!

This will make playing with any faction, but specially Greek Cities, for some memorable gameplay...

All the way to India ;)

The only thing that does not seem to be popular is the new Wall system, I read you previous reply and I did not install the 4 files that implement it, however, I wonder if that would affect the Gauls, Iberians and Dacians from building Stone Walls, as they should btw, Alesia, where Veringetorix and Caesar fought was a Gaulish Stone Fortification.

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Yeah - we need a new version for the BI

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now i work with this problem~;) :charge:

You mean your going to fix it:dizzy2: