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One of my friends played with the Egyptians couple of days ago. It was his second campaign so he didn't know about 80-100 % rebellions. Anyway, he did quite well (excellent, I'd say). He gave me savegame from 1271, and I auto-calced all battles in the 1272. Here are the pics:
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8443/nemr11rp.jpg
~:cheers: ~:cheers:
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1700/nemr22ra.jpg
~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: :no: :no:
Oweeee!:dizzy2:
Thanks for the pics~:cheers:
My thought exactly! :jawdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny
Jeez...
Hammered!
Yeah, this happened to me every time I played a campaign beyond the 60% mark. Eventually I just stopped playing MTW campaigns alltogether because of the sheer annoyance.
There's usually a civil war at 60%... If you're looking for a 100% victory, you have to beat that. But 96 province is just slightly ridiculous.
That will make the game more challenging!
~:eek:
You can have very little rebellions if you play well and avoids the things that triggers those massive rebellions. The only thing that can make those rebellions is then war with a faction with a big navy, but even then you can reduce the rebellions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Germaanse Strijder
BTW did he attack Corsica with his king or something?
I am near this point in my current campaign, so this interests me a lot. Is it because the king is cut off in Corsica? - I can't see a port on the screenshot - also the garrisons looked very low. Is the answer to build lots of happiness buildings like militas, cathedrals etc before this point. I had a rash of revolts about 20 years back, but a bit more conquering, a new King and starting a couple of cathedrals seem to have helped. Perhaps the unfortunate Egyptian should have spent his enormous treasury on some bricks and mortar - mind you, he could bribe his way back as well.~:cheers:
Ouch, that must have hurt. And I thought I had it bad with my civil war in the HRE, but in the end I only lost Livland and the neighbouring province. Plus, it seems to me, civil war broke out in all neighbour nations, the English (owning most of France) and the French (owning most of England :dizzy2: ) lost a considerable amount of territory to rebellions as well. Good for me, now that I´ve cleaned up the rebellion I can snatch new territories without anyone screming murder about it ~D
World record!!!!!:charge: :bow:
Irrealistic? Well, the whole known world is ruled by a tyrant. Then the tyrant loses controle with the known world. Isn't it the ideal situation for a massive rebellion to happen?
If it isn't, it should be!!~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by el_slapper
Good, aggressive game. To bad he wasn't smart AND aggressive.
Gah!
Wow ... that's all I can say...
He Mithrandir , didn't you mean to say camels ~;)
:balloon2:
In my Irish game I fought off two massive rebellions: when another massive navy cut my lines of communications. One was further worsened by an earlier excommunication and the death of the king in the same year the seas were blockaded (that damn heir - new king popped up in Ireland!!!!!) I was able to fight / buy back myself in ten years.
EDIT: What was most funny: at then end I was attacked by the Fatimids (thats Egypt, btw) in Sicily and when I removed their sea conncetion there was a loyalist rebellion in Sicily that was joined by 12 provinces: those I could not take back yet... So I got them back for free :wink:
In my Italian game the Egyptians are in a perpetual civil war. I have no idea where their king is (or the horde for that matter, they keep asking for an alliance but I can't see them from the coast) but they keep having small scale rebellions all the time.
I had a tough time after a rebellion where I had about 40% of the map and lost all but 6 provinces, I eventually came back to win but I don’t think I could come back after your friends mess, WOW!:dizzy2:
Well, at least he has Sardinia. In some of my games I would have loved to have Sardinia!~D
I wonder what the troop quality of those units are. I would have had to slash and burn the entire map so those bastards would starve.
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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
It's obvious he didn't use camels, or he'd never have lost so many provinces :).
A very dramatic fall. I am surprised not more factions reemerged though 5 isn't a bad number. I wonder what spurred it on. Possibly a succession. I imagine you could replicate this by disbanding tons of your troops, destroying tons of your buildings, raising taxes and removing access to your king.
With all that money I imagine you could start bribing back armies to start the reconquest :charge:
Thanks for sharing ~:cheers:
Just how do you get so much money? I never can make so much, even though I´ve got my navy on all seas and trade buildings developed as high as possible in the respective provinces. I´ve difficulties scratching together the 4.000 for citadels, let alone the money for anything bigger.
I'm right with you on that. I'm more often than not on the wrong side of 4k myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
It's 'snowball effect' though. The more you pull in from trade, the more you can expand trade post to merchants and upwards, which pulls in ever more trade income, so you'll soon have 80% farms and mine complexes everywhere. Each Acumen feather counts for 10% boost on province income, so stripping/reassigning governor titles such that you have Acumen 9 types looking after Constantinople and Flanders, rather than Arabia/Cyrenacia means you make the most out of the 90% booster.
Given time, you might reach a stage where every province you own is building or training something but the cashflow still exceeds the expenditure. The longer builds interrupt spending on a province for a lot of years, which only add to this.
The real key, though, is to have extended periods of peace, so that you can trade at all. There must come a stage, somewhere between 60-100% where you run out of factions to trade with at all and, the minute you declare war on the last remaining faction, all the massive trade income will be cut off completely and you'll go into massively negative cashflow if it turns out you've over-built your armies.
It's a pity the AI isn't programmed to realise that when about to be crushed by a large empire, which is peacefully turtling to earn vast sums of money, could extend its survival time by simply demolishing all its ports.
It's unlikely to do that, however, as they earn 20% of of what the exporter's getting, so waiting too long to finish them off could mean the final opponent is a bit more tough to finish off than you might expect.
Great screenshot though. This game is just packed with surprises.
After Playing As the welsh in VI.
II find Money is to easy to accumilate When playing as egypt in the later campaigns,
And i often find my self with 17k And nothing to spend it on when i am using them,
Strange that others find it difficult to gather money.
ShambleS
Basically I have never suffered that. Amazing ~:eek:
Yes, at first I was lousy with money but after you learn the game it's quite easy.
Say screw it, the computer just cheated so its your turn. Use the -ian cheat and become the French. Then use the .deadringer. cheat and bribe all those armies that are rebel.
Depends if your a Tyrant. I never have much dread but a lot of happiness because I don't slaughter prisoners (even ringleaders) and I support happy building making. In fact, I wish some countries would just open the door to my rule because if I lived in a country and a nice leader wanted to "save us" from a Tyrant, I would not only drop my arms but I would support anyway I can. Don't quote me but when the Americans recaptured France and other territories, they weren't 100% sure that we wouldn't just keep them like the Nazis. I think faith and a less tyranical ruler would do wonders in persuading the public that life would be better WITH staying with a "Current but Foreign" leader than backing an evil but "National original" leaderQuote:
Originally Posted by el_slapper
A few common steps will help to cure mass rebellions. I can speak because I have played to 100% four times now and if you do the following, the odds will be a lot less of that happening again.
1. Make sure when you have the money than you will ever need, build more troops in ALL territories as well as build "Happy" buildings.
2. Place at least two spys (I do three) in every territory you own.
3. NEVER EVER EVER use your king in ANY operations that would take him off the mainland - EVER!!!!!
4. This ones harder but to make absolutely sure they don't rebel, do this.
Right before you reach a certain percentage of territories that would trigger a mass rebellion, prepare with what I put above plus do this. Build up a massive army in every territory AND Make ALL your heirs in one stack, that way they can't rebel and kill your king off if hes old. Make sure his successor is AS YOUNG AS POSSIBLE. Then mass attack EVERYTHING, take over the world before your king dies and no mass rebellion.
mmmmh, this is backroom meat so I won't argue, just to say that things are more complicated ==> this is managed by the "loyalty" effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Once again , a forward notice: keep the discussion on the original thread topic,or related,rebellions.
Camels ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
Yeah, I know. I have done a lot of studying on this period of time and I know their is a lot of other reasons, but I needed a quick example. But then again, in history countries have agreed upon one thing and when the objective was complete, they do another.Quote:
Originally Posted by el_slapper
Incompatible language
Edit:Complaints about moderating taken to PM to not let this thread get off-topic
If you feel the need to complain publicly, use the Watchtower forum. Don't let other threads get off topic for it.
-Mithrandir
well from the looks of the only province we can see there are no hapiness buildings whatsoever. if i take it all the provinces are like that and the koing got isolated well it could happen in the game.
You know, a similar instance happened recently at a party I was throwing when I ran out of cheese nips...
It's amazing how much people love em.
Did you have the cohones to finish that campaign?
Interesting idea; how do you use -ian command?Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
I'm going from memory here, so you'd better double-check this, but: right-click on the desktop icon used to launch MTW. From the menu that pops up select "Properties" and click it. In the properties box that comes up, click on the "Shortcut" tab. There should be a "Target:" line in the box that contains the path to the MTW executable, something like this (from my machine):Quote:
Originally Posted by Knight Templar
"D:\Games\Total War\Medieval - Total War\Medieval_TW.exe" -strictserver
This is from a standard MTW-VI installation, so contains the "-strictserver" switch. To activate the "-ian" switch, add one space, then the switch (-ian), immediately after strictserver, and save the new properties.
Start a game normally, then when you want to change factions hit the function keys. That part I can't help you with - don't know which keys are linked to what factions. Just play around with a test session to figure it out.
Have fun!
IIRC, complete instructions for using the -ian switch and a number of others are included at the end of frogbeastegg's M:TW beginner's guide.
Ajax
Now that I'm a member and now that I can finally post in this section I'm posting another thread about losing 96 provinces in one year.I have to admit that I'm the guy who had all those rebellions on which you could read on knight templars thread. I'm posting a link where you can download my save and see for yourself. If you want you can try to play it.
Here is the link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/6308629/i...ve_it.cpg.html
Now that I'm a member and I can post here I wanted to say some things.
I'm the guy who had all those rebellions.
First of all it was my second campaign (as Knight Templar pointed out) so I didn't know about lots of stuff, or I didn't care. I always executed all the prisoners but I didn't know what effect could that have. My consolation is that nobody even knew something like that could happen, so you might say I hold some kind of a record.
Visit https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=56039 to get the download link for the save if you still can't belive that something like that can happen.
I'll check it out. Maybe we could make this into a challenge to retain/regain as many provinces as possible, maybe in 5 years?
By the way, welcome to the forum! ~:cheers:
I actually only played the turn but it was still impressive. I tried to regroup and keep as much important stuff as possible but dam, what a spectacular fall. That would be an important year in history no question. There was a civil war and if I had sided with the old king or it would've been over since he had a small stack.
I imagine if I'd play further my emissaries would go abribing and north Africa and the middle east would be retaken in a few years.
I'd need to get my economy in order since I am making -4000 a year and I would work hard to keep control of the seas.
It is in interesting predicament.
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b...neus/yikes.jpg
Everybody just feel free to try to win. I'm also retrying to play the campaign now that I have some more experience. I'll keep you posted on my progress. You can also post your achievements if you want to play my save
Merged.
Grond sprints for the finish, ends up a goat:
Yes. Pour me a stiff one, bartender. This is painful.
I was England, and it was near the end, at least it was the end as it should have been. I'd been lucky - a lot of money, a few rebellions amongst the other nations, and I owned north africa, spain, europe, britania, northern europe...
Everything except the holy land, some of turkey, macedonia, and Italy. Between me and sicily: The pope.
So I go to war in macedonia with the Sicilians. They've got about 4 properties there, and southern italy, and Sicily. They're angry, so they sink my fleet in the adriatic, and all the territories, it so happens, that border Sicily and southern Italy.
So I've got thousands of mean and lean troops, and not a single aircraft in sight to drop them in, cause there's no ships to transport anyone. I can SEE the bastards, there in North Italy. And I need my shipping lines open, because I have to transport troops pronto from northern Italy to the black sea and to the northern Baltic; and I'm losing florins at about 5000 a turn, and have 46,000 florins left. I can do math; this means no social security in Grondland after 10 years. No social anything. Just chaos and collapse. Time's a wasting, and if I don't FINISH THE CAMPAIGN IN NINE TURNS it'll soon be over, because I don't think this giant bloated empire will countenance a negative deficit. I'm screwed.
Impatient, I invade the pope's lands. I figure, I can finish him off in two turns, right? No pope, no excommunication, and I can get on with the business of kicking Sicily's butt.
In retrospect, it was a Very Bad Idea. How bad? Not Miho-96-Province-Bad, but still bad enough for my poor king to lose most of the internal provinces of Europe to rebellion; most of the new properties in the russias should have gone, but there were so many troops they were too afraid to voice disapproval.
Luckily, it was mostly catholic bandits and that sort of riff-raff, not reappearance of old factions. I'll take Catholic bandits any time, since they don't go corsair on me and start planning kingdoms. They're happy to sit and wait for you to deal with them on your timetable.
I should have taken 60%. I quit in disgust and went horseback riding instead.
And which of your strangely named and deranged kings did this feat? Not Snorri the Magnificent, he is, as we all know, Danish.
Hm nine turns till time runs out, and money worth for ten... doesn´t sound too bad for me, just leave the mess to your renaissance sucessor ;) It´s good politics.
I still havent finished my game with the Egyptians but it is nearly over. I was so close to total victory that I had two more years to win. I had the Popes garrisons in Rome and Papal states under siege. But then something really spectacular happened. In 1271 6 factions reamerged with huge armies and I had a civil war. I just couldn't belive it. If you don't belive it download the save here.
Here's what it looked like in 1273
https://img273.imageshack.us/img273/...00000087xo.jpg
Amazing huh?
This is how it looked like a year later.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3747/000000094fn.jpg
I regrouped my armies and put them in some of my more important provinces. I also destroyed every building in each province that wouldn't be mine in the next year. I did this for few reasons:
1.I get the money for destroying buildings.
2.They can't use those buildings for building new armies.
3.They can't use those buildings for profit.
4.They can't retreat to a stronghold when defeated.
I regained 7 provinces in the next year
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8042/000000126iy.jpg
I regained 9 provinces in the year 1275. but lost one to the Horde and some of the rebels were bribed.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5238/000000142yz.jpg
In the next year I took three provinces from the Horde and killed their kahn. The remaining rebel armies were all bribed.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5443/000000154ir.jpg
This one of the typical battles.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8417/000000162ox.jpg
Lost 4 men killed over 400. I never took any prisoners.
By the year 1279 the Horde was eliminated and I was planing on invading Britain.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/395/000000236xp.jpg
I was reorganising my forces to chrush the Danes and the Aragonese but I decided that I would wait untill the Aragose king died so I just attacked the Danes.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7969/000000261nh.jpg
I attacked the French at Wessex. It was one of the largest battles.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2095/000000303vr.jpg
This is how the batttlefield looked like after the battle.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5778/000000367pf.jpg
In the same year I also defeated the Danes who retreated into their stonghold.
https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5384/000000412ca.jpg
This is the end for now. I still have a few turns to complete and will post again when I've achieved the total domination.
BTW. this is my 50. post. ~:cheers:
Look at that horrible French army. I bet you rolled right over them.
Yep. They weren't that difficult. They had mostly archers and seige units. And I had mostly cavalary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vladimir
His name: King Willie the Large, a/k/a Big Willie, and his chief advisor: Cal Worthington and his dog spot. ("If you need foreign policy, go see Cal!")Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Their policy is "Peace Through Superior Firepower," also commonly called "longbow detante" by the uninitiated.
I'm sure those longbows can send a diplomatic message a long distance with great speed.
Nice empire regaining, miho ~:cheers: . And nice cavarly battle :charge: :charge: :charge:
Congratulations Knight Templar on getting DSL. Hope you'll now write more.
To prevent Faction Comebacks and rebellions, use the SHIFT key between end turns. If you see a few sections of yellow in the map, shift around troops and go through all the territories you have to check to see if they have loyalty above 120.
Thanks for the advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise