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The new changes to the .org favor christianity over other religions! Look at the smile list!:san_angry: Gah! there it is again, Gah!
Ok, i've got that out of my system. What are your thoughts on the effort in the U.S to remove Christmas decorations form public display? I've always heard lots of Conservatives in the media talking about it, but i've yet to see it in my state....
I think it is a bunch of crap! There is suppost to be free speech in the US. I can see no have x-mas decorations in schools or other goverment building, but removing from all public view? If I want to put a merry christmas sign on my front lawn you can damn sure I will. Imagine the government trying to tell a Jewish family they could not have try minora (spelling?) in there window. It comes down to the fact that if you don't want to look at something DON'T.
Now that my rant is done, merry christmas!:san_wink:
Gah. America is owned by the leftist elite. What do you expect?
A sensible way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by m52nickerson
Not that the decorations as such irritate me, but why oh why do people start placing them six weeks in advance? I'm tired of looking at the stupid things already, and it's only the 14th! :san_angry:
The line is "I'm being repressed", actually. Listen very closely; you can hear the difference.
As much as I don't like the 'holiday' in question, I can deal with having to look away from the decorations. We don't have the problem with taking down decorations in Canada to the extent that America does, but it does work the other way. People will spell out 'JESUS LOVES YOU' in little blinking lights on their houses, but I'm prohibited by law to write 'SOD OFF'.
I'm a hardcore Santaist.
have you been naughty or nice?
Edit: glory to old St.Nic
Edit: P.S. nice signature Mongoose.
Meh, my family is atheist and we still celebrate Christmas and have that little manger thing or whatever you call it.
If walmart or whoever thinks that putting out christmas decorations is going to hurt there business then they are naturaly going to be as pc as possible.
they're just decorations, get over it already. It's not like Christians go over to every jewish, muslim, hindu, buddhist, and atheist family and tell them that they 'have to celebrate it'. I think Christmas is universally accepted as a part of our culture in the US, and to hell with anyone who thinks differently. I may not be a part of any religion, but it's a good time of year to get together with your friends and family members, and exchange gifts, and just being thankful that someone out in that cold lonely world actually cares about you.
down here its still merry christmas...commies
The whole "war on Christmas" line of outrage is being puffed up as an issue at a time when it would be really convenient for certain folks in power to have the subject changed.
A lot of the reported "war" is distorted beyond fact. Some of it is straight-up invented. Bill O'Reilly (Fox News) announced that a town in Michigan was outlawing the wearing of green and red. He then sputtered on about how a big, tough guy like him would dress from head to toe in X-mas colors to show that town who's boss. When somebody bothered to call the town, the whole thing turned out to be a lie. But who really cares about the facts?
It's been a bad year for the ruling party. They'd love to set up a straw man to knock over. Hence the "War on Christmas."
Over here some tasteless official buildings used to start Christmas decorations in November the last few years, which took out most of the excitement for Christmas, so I wouldn't have been sad if they'd forbidden official decorations at that time. Now it seems it's self-regulating though, as people seem to have boycotted the stores that had decorations too early, so this year they're starting later...
What exactly is the US effort trying to do? Forbid it in public buildings/stores, or also in the windows of ordinary people?
O'Reilly is a blowhard- so no suprises there. However, one example does not a case make- that's called a 'hasty generalization'. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemurmania
Well then, if you're really buying into the "War on Christmas" (and I'm not saying you are), please provide some examples of how this war is being waged.
I'd say the prime offenders would be the Pilgrims. Those God-fearing, black-wearing pinkos didn't celebrate Christmas at all. How dare they call it decadent!
There is no special "US effort." And nobody has ever suggested that the windows of ordinary people should be legislated beyond the existing local statutes involving how much noise and light one can project. (Oh, there are probably some communities with detailed rules about how close to the sidewalk, etc., but that applies to everything in those places. They're just being @nal.)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
This Lemur contends that the entire "War on Christmas" theme has been raised for the sole purpose of giving religious conservatives something to feel outraged and oppressed about. Red meat for the red voters, nothing more. There have been no more challenges to publicly funded displays this year than there have been on any other year. Situation normal. Unless you soften your brain with cable news.
On the contrar, the situation is far from normal:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemurmania
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WASHINGTON, DC—In a sudden and unexpected blow to the Americans working to protect the holiday, liberal U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Stephen Reinhardt ruled the private celebration of Christmas unconstitutional Monday.
Activist Judge Cancels Christmas
Per the court order, city workers take down the Christmas tree from New York's Rockefeller Plaza.
"In accordance with my activist agenda to secularize the nation, this court finds Christmas to be unlawful," Judge Reinhardt said. "The celebration of the birth of the philosopher Jesus—be it in the form of gift-giving, the singing of carols, fanciful decorations, or general good cheer and warm feelings amongst families—is in violation of the First Amendment principles upon which this great nation was founded."
In addition to forbidding the celebration of Christmas in any form, Judge Reinhardt has made it illegal to say "Merry Christmas." Instead, he has ruled that Americans must say "Happy Holidays" or "Vacaciones Felices" if they wish to extend good tidings.
Within an hour of the judge's verdict, National Guard troops were mobilized to enforce the controversial ruling.
"Sorry, kids, no Christmas this year," Beloit, WI mall Santa Gene Ernot said as he was led away from his Santa's Village in leg irons. "Write to your congressman to put a stop to these liberal activist judges. It's up to you to save Christmas! Ho ho ho!"
Said Pvt. Stanley Cope, who tasered Ernot for his outburst: "We're fighting an unpopular war on Christmas, but what can we do? The military has no choice but to take orders from a lone activist judge."
Across America, the decision of the all-powerful liberal courts was met with shock and disappointment, as American families quietly took down their holiday decorations and canceled their plans to gather and make merry.
"They've been chipping away at Christmas rights for decades," Fox News personality John Gibson said. "Even before this ruling, you couldn't hear a Christmas song on the radio or in a department store. I hate to say it, America, but I told you so."
Judge Stephen Reinhardt of the U.S. 9th Circuit of Appeals issues his ruling.
Gibson then went into hiding, vowing to be a vital part of the Christmas resistance that would eventually triumph and bring Christmas back to the United States and its retail stores.
The ban is not limited to the retail sector. In support of Reinhardt's ruling, Sen. Ted Kennedy, a Jew, introduced legislation that would mandate the registration of every Christian in the United States and subject their houses to random searches to ensure they are not celebrating Christmas.
"Getting rid of every wreath or nativity scene is not enough," Kennedy said. "In order to ensure that Americans of every belief feel comfortable in any home or business, we must eliminate all traces of this offensive holiday. My yellow belly quakes with fear at the thought of offending any foreigners, atheists, or child molesters."
America's children are bearing the brunt of Reinhardt's marginal, activist rulings.
"Why did the bad man take away Christmas?" 5-year-old Danny Dover said. "I made a card for my mommy out of paper and glue, and now I can't give it to her."
Shortly after Dover issued his statement, police kicked down his door, removed his holiday tree, confiscated his presents, and crushed his homemade card underfoot.
A broad, bipartisan coalition of lawmakers has been working closely with the White House, banding together in the hope of somehow overruling the decision. So far, however, their efforts have been fruitless.
"Our hearts go out to the Americans this ruling affects," Sen. Chip Pickering (R-MS) said. "If it's any condolence, I wish you all a Happy Holidays, which, I'm afraid, is all I'm legally allowed to say at this time."
http://www.theonion.com/content/file...-C.article.jpg
Ok, sorry, my interpretation of the opening post almost suggested something like that, which sounded strange and unlikely to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemurmania
Its not just about displays.Quote:
This Lemur contends that the entire "War on Christmas" theme has been raised for the sole purpose of giving religious conservatives something to feel outraged and oppressed about. Red meat for the red voters, nothing more. There have been no more challenges to publicly funded displays this year than there have been on any other year. Situation normal. Unless you soften your brain with cable news.
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ACLU Style Political Correctness Hits the USPS
by Gribbit on 11-25-05 @ 2:56 pm Filed under News, Christmas
It is official, the United States Postal Service has now folded to the anti-Christmas PC movement. Postal employees are no longer allowed to say to customers “Merry Christmas.” And if that isn’t enough, no more Christmas stamps.
The busiest time of year for the USPS is the Christmas/Chanukah season. More letters, greeting cards, and packages are shipped via the USPS during the last week in November and the first 24 days in December than the rest of the year combined.
We, in our 21st century need for instant gratification, now rely on email, instant messaging, and mobile telephones to do our communication. We no longer take the time to hand write letters and other communications, place a stamp on an envelope, and drop it in a blue box. We now boot up the computer, connect to the internet, type out a message, click send and it’s there. No need for a stamp. No waiting days for it to arrive and days more for a reply.
The USPS has decided that the traditional “Madonna and Child” had to be replaced with “Holiday Cookie” stamps.
From the USPS:
The season kicks off on Oct. 20 with the dedication of the 2005 holiday stamps, celebrating the child in everyone and evoking favorite memories from the simple pleasure of decorating cookies of the season. The stamps, featuring cookie-shaped gingerbread men, Santa Claus, snowmen and an angel, will be dedicated at a special ceremony in the Pillsbury Test Kitchens in Minneapolis. Anita Bizzotto, USPS Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer, will be the dedicating official.
“What would the holidays be without cookies? These cookie stamps are a great way to share the joy of the season,” Bizzotto said.
What I cannot figure out is why they are willing to ditch the traditional “Madonna and Child” which is a reproduction of a classic work of art for seemingly secular images of holiday cookies, one of which is a representation of an angel? Excuse me, but wouldn’t an angel be considered a religious symbol? What purpose does it serve to remove a classic work of art that is in keeping with the traditional meaning of the season in favor of a generic animated image of an angel?
The USPS has a limited supply of last year’s Madonna and Child stamps available for purchase. But, once they are gone, there will be no more produced. I see this as another battle won by the secular left in the War on Christmas. The USPS should be ashamed of themselves.
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• In Illinois, state government workers were forbidden from saying the words “Merry Christmas” while at work
• In Rhode Island, local officials banned Christians from participating in a public project to decorate the lawn of City Hall
• A New Jersey school banned even instrumental versions of traditional Christmas carols
• Arizona school officials ruled it unconstitutional for a student to make any reference to the religious history of Christmas in a class project
If any of you dont think theres a war going on here between Christains and secularists I dont knw what planet your living on. It all started when they took Christ out of Christmas. I never have and never will wish anyone a merry X-mas. Disgusting.Quote:
Anti-Christian Hostility Driving 'War on Christmas,' Attorney Says
By Jim Brown
December 7, 2005
(AgapePress) - A Christian attorney says recent acts of censorship indicate Christmas is under attack in public schools across the United States.
One Ohio high school principal, for example, recently renamed the school's Christmas tree and concert a "holiday tree" and a "holiday concert." Similarly, a Missouri school superintendent informed fine arts teachers in his district that an upcoming winter assembly may not include "direct references to Christmas or the birth of Jesus," and a Wisconsin school district has banned all Christian Christmas songs.
Such phenomena are occurring not only in primary and secondary public schools, but also at the college level. Controversy recently erupted at Auburn University when the student government association re-dubbed its Christmas tree a "holiday tree."
Steve Crampton
Steve Crampton, chief counsel with the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, takes issue with those who argue there is no "war against Christmas" going on. "They are flat wrong," he says, "and to miss what is happening in our public schools and in the public square -- even in our so-called places of public accommodation, such as the department stores during the Christmas season -- is to be completely blind to the culture war that's raging around us."
The hostility against Christianity that Crampton asserts has "been under the surface for years" has finally boiled over, he contends, and secularists are making no bones about their attempts to blot out all religious meaning associated with the holiday. He feels such acts of censorship indicate that public school officials have run amok with hypocrisy.
"When a public entity such as these high schools takes the extreme position that we can't even use the name 'Christmas,' let alone 'Jesus Christ,' how else can you describe it other than censorship?" the pro-family attorney asks. He says these public education officials' attempt to strip every vestige of Christian faith from the holiday represents "a running away, not only from our own history and tradition but from the very principles of tolerance that they are espousing on the other side of their mouth."
Crampton says the rising incidence of Christmas censorship is an indication that the culture war continues to rage (See related commentary). He suggests that anyone who denies this fact is either blind to an ever-mounting body of evidence or has been lulled into a false sense of complacency.
I'm not even Christian and still say "Merry Christmas". Is the world going mad?!?
Christmas doesn't necessarily mean "Christian" anymore. That's an obsolete association. :san_lipsrsealed:
So buy the house next door and write, "But I don't" :san_grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
I think BBC is doing a documentary on how so many news reports are distorted beyond all recognition in order to make it vaguely interesting, including Christmas related stories.Quote:
Lemurmania
A lot of the reported "war" is distorted beyond fact. Some of it is straight-up invented. Bill O'Reilly (Fox News) announced that a town in Michigan was outlawing the wearing of green and red. He then sputtered on about how a big, tough guy like him would dress from head to toe in X-mas colors to show that town who's boss. When somebody bothered to call the town, the whole thing turned out to be a lie. But who really cares about the facts?
Yeehaa :san_laugh:Quote:
strike for the south down here its still merry christmas...commies
What, and they complied? I'm a civil servant in the UK, yes I know I'm a lazy B, and I can imaginewhat the response would be here, the second word would be "Off".Quote:
• In Illinois, state government workers were forbidden from saying the words “Merry Christmas” while at work
p.s. Don't you hate people who quote whole swathes of others posts in their own?
Hahaha, most of that "official" crap(newspapers and so on) here sounds quite funny.
I don´t care wether it´s true or not in the US, but here in germany we don´t bother about forbidding Christmas, in fact, many people celebrate Christmas with their families, even atheists! The christmas lights are everywhere in the "shopping zones" of cities and they can go on your nerves if you let them, but IMO they just need lots of snow to look nice.:san_grin:
I myself have no Christmas decoration in my appartment, I rather spare my money for other things.:san_wink:
Now, on forbidding to say this and that at work I find really stupid, if someone feels opposed if I say something, he should come to me and discuss it. If he is too much a pussy to do so, every Darwininst should agree that he needs to die out anyway, because he is too weak to survive!:san_tongue:
Haha that made me laugh :san_laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Aha, so that's where the ugly word X-mas comes from... So they're actually serious about it :san_grin: I don't know whether to cry our laugh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I don't think anyone denies that many of the Christmas traditions are inspired by pagan and non-religious old traditions, and that many atheists celebrate Christmas (but the main idea of Christmas in the Christian interpretation and celebration of it is to celebrate the birth of Christ). But I don't understand why on earth they'd remove the word Christ from Christmas, as if it would be offensive or something?!!
War on terrorism, war on Christmas, war on french fries, war on war, what next? Btw, when speaking of odd laws, it's interesting to see what the typical sentence given to someone breaking that law would be. So, has anyone got prison for saying "Christmas" yet?
Plenty of end-of-year holiday stamps available still, http://shop.usps.com/cgi-bin/vsbv/po...ubject/Holiday
but I don't recommend buying more than you'll actually use in the next 3 weeks...rates go up to $0.39 for First Class on January 8th, so you'll need a 2-cent make-up stamp for any left-overs.
No one has ever told me I can't say "Merry Christmas", "Joyous Kwanzaa", "Happy Eid", or "Happy Hanukkah" , or even "Super Solstice, Dude!" to anybody, postal patron or not.
Ahh, when I was but a lad back in the old country (Montreal), I was told the X was just shorthand for the cross symbol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
You're saying it denotes... nothingness.
Makes sense I guess.
They should be. Forced conversion never hurt anyone, it was the hot irons that did that.Quote:
It's not like Christians go over to every jewish, muslim, hindu, buddhist, and atheist family and tell them that they 'have to celebrate it'.
Sorry to kill off the indignation, Xmas has nothing to secularism. It comes from Greek, Xristos (Christos) is Greek for Christ, and in the Orthodox church X has long been used as a symbol for Christ. Xmas has been in use since the 16th C.
Yet another reason Greek and Latin should never have been removed from national compulsory curriculums.
@lugh: ah, the XP / chi-rho, of course! Thanks for clearing that up! But still it's my opinion that writing X-mas doesn't look good in English, where X or XXX usually means there's some letters you wanted to hide ~:)
Well bahh-bloody-humbug to the lot of you, yet again someones already made my point :san_undecided:
Nevermind though.
Eat, drink, be merry, & don't let the ban 'em all brigades get you down! 25th of Dec. can't be all bad, pagans can be happy, so can the christians, the agnostics can think about it, & the atheists can stuff themselves & drink to much too! Course this leaves out a whole bunch of others, but you can't please everyone all the time.
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PS - What is egg-nog, & why would anyone want to drink it?
For the alcohol content, o'courseQuote:
PS - What is egg-nog, & why would anyone want to drink it?
http://www.indepthinfo.com/eggnog/recipesa.shtml
LOL, classic :san_laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by lugh
That's what I was afraid of, so we're talking a cold alcoholic custard type thing :san_shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Americans awake! Port, Brandy, Whisky, Rum none of them taste great, but it has to be better than adding sugar & raw eggs to them! Egg-nog's a conspiracy dreamed up by chicken farmers to pay you back for buying turkeys :san_lipsrsealed:
Yeah, it doesn't look pretty, but that's a whole other arguement. Having X in the English language was a mistake from when Latin was being phased out as an academic language IIRC. Sometime on either side of the 15th c I think.
The only Xmas drink worth mentioning is port and brandy doubled. If you thought they were bad alone, together you're guaranteed heart palpitations, at the very least!:san_laugh:
Hot port and brandy Lugh , it not just for Christmas , its for any morning when you need the cure .~:cheers:
Hear -- hear!! But a simple "drop o' the pure" is the finest cure indeed.:san_grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
This is EASILY the most relevant (and probably most thoroughly researched) thing our Tribesman has added to the forum this Dec).:san_wink:
[edit]: joke obsolete
Thats what I thought :san_smiley:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beirut
I try and restrict my intake of heart-problem-inducing things to the holiday season. This way if it kills me, I have something to talk about with Jesus.:san_grin:
Thanks. Or Is that sarcasm? It's hard to tell over the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
I think i should clarify: Decorations are not being removed from private homes, just public park areas, or so i've heard. having said that, i have not seen that happen where i live. Still plenty of mangers in my town....:san_smiley:
no, no I appreciate it you took my "my words in someone else's sig" cherry.
Aw, it's so sweet.
X is greek letter chi. as in chi, rho, iota as a Christian symbol and spelling the first three letters of Christos (transliterated there).
It's all Greek to me
I always thought the X in Xmas was a way to get the young kids excited about the holiday. Santa's reindeer and sleigh replaced with a Ski-doo, and he does Can-Cans and 1080's as he jumps from rooftop to rooftop. :san_grin:
I don't think we need to worry about the "war" on Christmas. Apparently the country will fall into a depression of epic proportions if Christmas goes away, so I can't see the politicos (and their corporate backers) letting go of it. I will, however, wholeheartedly support anyone who pushes for criminal proceeding against people who decorate for Christmas/holidays/whatever before Thanksgiving. Those people deserve the chair.:san_angry:
Get on the bandwagon man! Wear something yellow & reflective then take whatever decorations you want, anyone asks say your acting on behalf of the local council... (Public Service announcement - Don't try this near your own home)Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoose
Heh I dont see the big, in my city there are alot of 'ethnic minorities' (to the extent they are more the 'ethnic majorities') so the city center is packed with Diwali lights at that time of the year as well as Christmas right now. I think as long as everyone is allowed to put up lights and stuff for their festivals then it's fine. The only problem is if somebody says 'no you may not celebrate.' to one religion but allows others to hand lights and such.
ELP! ELP! I"M BEING REPRESSED!Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
really i belive let whoever wants to celebrate celebrate, people who support this don't want freedom of religion, they want to destroy religion. i at the very moment have no god, yet still i love the season cause people seem happier, though all the marketing pisses my off, so i say let religion be free to roam the streets decorating at will and (in the case of all the religios nutjobs) hold mass in the center of the nearest 4 way intersection.
also, so if what you say is true abot jebus being repressented by an X (XXX), if someone signs with an X there callin themselves jesus?
:stunned: BLASPHEMER!!! :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prodigal
Seriously, I have no comment on this entire beastly issue. There is a war going on- I will admit that- but it is a war of ****-slinging and words, and I loathe both sides to an intense degree. Every time I see christian fundamentalists screaming about a false repression, or PC nutjobs who insist upon the neutralisation of religion out of an imagined fear of someone taking offense (usually one of their number), I feel a savage urge to beat the hell out of them, to try and knock some sense into them via severe head trauma. There is no real threat, there is no real war, just a bunch of bull****, and I feel sorry for the next person who tries to convince me otherwise; that man may be very intellegent, but he is a blind fool.
If we want to start a war, why not start it on Christmas marketing? Every year this **** gets worse, and noone does anything except let it spiral out of control like some sort of superbowl halftime show, loaded on enough PCP to kill a herd of bull-elephants and given a christmas theme. As soon as Halloween is over, there it is, jumping up and down and screaming through your TV, your radio, your internet, anywhere you drive- "HAPPY HOLIDAYS! MERRY CHRISTMAS! BUY BUY BUY! BUY, YOU ROTTEN ****ER- GIVE US ALL YOUR MONEY! AND HAVE A MARRY GODDAMN CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY ****ING HOLIDAYS!!!" Now, why can't we work to eliminate that?
No we are not. Alcohol is not present in most egg nog. Any kid can by it in the store. People add alcohol to it.Quote:
That's what I was afraid of, so we're talking a cold alcoholic custard type thing
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Originally Posted by Zorba
your absolutely correct, celebrate whatever you want and NUKE WALMART.
Take away Christmas...? I shall gather my comrades to march to the City Square and storm the City Chambers if they considered anything such thing here...
As it happens I alternately worship Jupiter and Thor (can't be too careful with these thunder gods) and I am FURIOUS that these Jonny come lately christian types have hijacked Saturnalia and Yule with their namby pamby peace and love baby festival thing. (I mean, a baby !!! Can a baby hurl thunderbolts? I think not)
Why, last year the local council wouldn't even let me roast a goat and have an orgy with 20 syrian slave girls, citing some nonsense about planning controls.
I'm telling you, the real religious meaning has gone out of these festivals.
And you are my hero! :medievalcheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
They don't really bother me. Sometimes I'll laugh to myself about hard they must have worked to get those lights up, but otherwise I don't really recognize them. mongoose, I'm guessing you are jewish, but what religion are you?
How do christmas decorations bother anyone? I see minorahs (sp ) or the star of David or a muslim crecent and it has no effect on me other than to realise there are many religions out there. Why should it bother people that other people are religous? Let people celebrate what they like in the manner their accustomed to as long as theres no violence or harm done.
I agree Gawain!
~:grouphug: ~:grouphug: ~:grouphug:
Ban everything, it's bound to offend some ars.....er, someone. :san_lipsrsealed:
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Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
Great idea!
Sasaki, where did you get that article? Sounds a bit like The Onion, only less believable.
Gawain, if you want to spend a lot of energy and outrage on the "War on Christmas," I guess that's your business. (But exercise and family time might be a better use of your resources.) Also, Gawain, when you're pulling from multiple right-wing screeds, please provide a linky.
Yup when Im not posting here Im out protesting the war on Christmas. In fact I devote all of december to it. Im just saying that those who claim there is no secularist concerted attack not only upon Christmas but christianity in general, then I find it hard to believe we exist in the same world and live but miles apart.Quote:
Gawain, if you want to spend a lot of energy and outrage on the "War on Christmas," I guess that's your business.
Okay here is a little piece of info to think on, schools can't have christmas light, but for some reason when I go to K-mart I have to walk by those annoying bastards with the bells! Now there is one christmas decoration I could do without! So merry frikin' xmas to all! =D
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Then shop somewhere else.
The Onion :san_cheesy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemurmania
I don't think there is any evidence of a secularist attack on Christmas. Of a few secularists attacking Christmas, sure.
They don't bother me. What bothers me is the marketing involved. It happens at any store you can possibly go to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I am actually burnt out on Christmas because of all of the advertising.
The avertising hasnt really anything to do wth christmas but profits. Most people enjoy the lights and decorations. The advertising is another matter and theirs nothing christain about it. I fail to see what this has to do with the topic. So exacly what is it you want removed? What is this offensive "advertising"?Quote:
I am actually burnt out on Christmas because of all of the advertising.
I don't believe you. Although, had you asked permission, I think it wouldve been the slave girl orgy that would've got you turned down.... Public displays of indecency and slavery are tough sells to most folks, being illegal and whatnot.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
Me either.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
Why, last year the local council wouldn't even let me roast a goat and have an orgy with 20 syrian slave girls, citing some nonsense about planning controls.
I don't believe you.
Well, the advertising is really an aside... I went on a rant earlier, and that came up. (It is on page two.)
Maybe he lives in Nevada. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Its pretty funny as you sound like a christain fundementalist in part of that rant where your complaining about the comericization of christmas. Most christains have the same problem with it nowdays. Chritmas is about the birth of Christ and new hope for the world not goinfg out and buying people presents, At least thats the true meaning of christmas thats getting lost in all of this.Quote:
Well, the advertising is really an aside... I went on a rant earlier, and that came up. (It is on page two.)
I really enjoyed "Polar Express", which I watched recently.
Ho Ho Ho
"mongoose, I'm guessing you are jewish, but what religion are you?"
Not quite sure. probably Atheist, but not the kind that's bothered by decorations...:san_wink:
I agree on the advertising. Though i don't see how others being caught up in the gift giving part should subtract form your enjoyment of the holiday.
ok, so its settled, lets blow up walmart and Kmart and any other marts we find. oh and 1 more ting, why take santa off coca-cola? i don't belive in him but is still a kind and familiar part of my world, but now the freakin polar bears are invading.
And here's the extra-funny thing -- I am a Christian, and according to you you aren't. And yet you're the one going on about a "secular attack" on Christmas and Christiantiy. And you don't even have the nerve to take on all of the pagan elements that have been tacked on to Christmas over the centuries. Do you really believe half the stuff you say, G, or is it all for the sake of sounding like an idealogue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
There is no war on Christmas. There's just the usual scrimmage of misguided folks with odd ideas. That's America, folks. Some ideas get tried on for a while, and usually the worst ones get discarded. "War" on Christmas, indeed. Oh, you mean a few townships have gone overboard on the PC wagon and have done stupid things like banning Christmas carols from the school chorus? Well, sounds like a war to me.
Dear lord, you would think the religious right would have something more substantive to get frothy about.
Do you even bother to read what I post?Quote:
And here's the extra-funny thing -- I am a Christian, and according to you you aren't. And yet you're the one going on about a "secular attack" on Christmas and Christiantiy. And you don't even have the nerve to take on all of the pagan elements that have been tacked on to Christmas over the centuries. Do you really believe half the stuff you say, G, or is it all for the sake of sounding like an idealogue?
What was this I said then
Or how about thisQuote:
Christmas is about the birth of Christ and new hope for the world not going out and buying people presents, At least thats the true meaning of christmas thats getting lost in all of this
And if your speaking of an idealogue I suggest you look in the mirror. Im no religous fanaticQuote:
The avertising hasnt really anything to do wth christmas but profits. Most people enjoy the lights and decorations. The advertising is another matter and theirs nothing christain about it
Lemur's post sums it up for me. I don't understand how people get worked up over this stuff.
Oh, go smoke a joint, all of you.
Its censorship and it violates the 1st amendment.Quote:
Lemur's post sums it up for me. I don't understand how people get worked up over this stuff.
Gawain, you attacked the commercialism of Christmas, that's true, but you must know that most of the symbolism Americans associate with Christmas is pagan, or straight-up invented. That's one of the reasons that various puritanical sects throughout history have banned Christmas. Far more successfully (in their setting) than the ACLU.
Anyway, here's a former Fox News Channel producer ruminating on this made-to-order "war": (Linky.)
It’s no surprise, of course, that this phony call to arms, this “Christmas (ergo, Christians) Under Attack” hysteria, emanates from the bowels of Fox News Channel. The network is, after all, ground zero in the culture wars that polarize so much of America these days. Make no mistake about it: Fox is on a mission. Its slogans say, “Fair and Balanced” and “We Report, You Decide.” But in the six years that I worked there, what I heard most from Fox management were mission statements – about turning things around, taking news back from the liberals, and giving “middle America” a voice long denied it by the “east coast media elite.”
[snip]
But what really separates Fox from the competition is its unabashed use of religion as a divisive weapon. Common sense -- and common courtesy -- have long dictated that personal religious beliefs be kept out of news reporting unless the story at hand involves religion. But on Fox, it’s not uncommon for an anchor to raise the issue of a guest’s religion, or lack thereof, a’ propos of nothing.
They're selling "us versus them" religious hatred, Gawain. And the way you post, you sure make it sound like you're buying.
Sure i do. Santa Claus, Christmas trees and the like have nothing to do with a christain christmas.Quote:
Gawain, you attacked the commercialism of Christmas, that's true, but you must know that most of the symbolism Americans associate with Christmas is pagan, or straight-up invented
Now this guy wouldnt have an axe to grind would he?Quote:
Anyway, here's a former Fox News Channel producer ruminating on this made-to-order "war": (Linky.)
It’s no surprise, of course, that this phony call to arms, this “Christmas (ergo, Christians) Under Attack” hysteria, emanates from the bowels of Fox News Channel. The network is, after all, ground zero in the culture wars that polarize so much of America these days. Make no mistake about it: Fox is on a mission. Its slogans say, “Fair and Balanced” and “We Report, You Decide.” But in the six years that I worked there, what I heard most from Fox management were mission statements – about turning things around, taking news back from the liberals, and giving “middle America” a voice long denied it by the “east coast media elite.”
[snip]
But what really separates Fox from the competition is its unabashed use of religion as a divisive weapon. Common sense -- and common courtesy -- have long dictated that personal religious beliefs be kept out of news reporting unless the story at hand involves religion. But on Fox, it’s not uncommon for an anchor to raise the issue of a guest’s religion, or lack thereof, a’ propos of nothing.
I go more by what I read here and yes it is an us versus them thing. I think hatred is a bit too strong a word here though my feelings on the ACLU approach that emotion.Quote:
They're selling "us versus them" religious hatred, Gawain. And the way you post, you sure make it sound like you're buying.
Hey whats up with all the stinking christmas decorations aroud here lately? Or are these holiday decorations?
Careful with that axe, Gawain...
Help! Help! I'm having a cardiac arrest! :san_laugh:
If you'd bothered to read the link, you'd know he was a she, and that she worked as a producer at Fox for years. Six years, I believe. She's allowed to have an opinion, and a rather more empirically informed one than your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Wow. Ecce homo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
And let's ignore the fact that "holiday" has an explicitly religious meaning:
Holiday: O.E. haligdæg, from halig "holy" + dæg "day;" in 14c. meaning both "religious festival" and "day of recreation."
War Update:
Apparently this whole silliness about the War on Christmas has something to do with promoting a Fox acnhor's book, as well. Amazing what a little Google searching will turn up:
Fox News Xmas War Snore: Nobody's Buying It
John Gibson's book publisher must have thought he'd died and gone to heaven. The Fox News anchor, out peddling The War on Christmas, not only got to plug the book on his weekday program, The Big Show, but Fox News producers generously booked Gibson on an array of other shows, pounding the idea that liberal secularists were out to kill Christmas.
According to Media Matters for America's tally, Fox News has aired nearly 60 separate segments on the Christ-hating craze this season. For Gibson's publisher it's a dream come true; non-stop televised publicity that reaches the target audience of cranky conservatives who have shown again and again their eager willingness to send partisan books rocketing up the best-sellers list. Talk about sitting back and counting the money, right?
Wrong. Despite an avalanche of mentions on Fox News, The War on Christmas continues to do disappointing business. It's nowhere near breaking through the New York Times best-seller's list. It's not even included on USA Today's expanded list of the top 150 best selling books. In fact, according to Amazon.com's sales rankings, The War on Christmas is stuck in the 200's; No. 286 to be specific. The book has sold approximately 30,000 copies since hitting book store shelves nearly two months ago. That'd be decent business for a first-time non-fiction writer. But for a Fox News anchor whose employer won't stop plugging the title, that sales total is middling at best, which only confirms how manufactured Fox News' crusade is -- even its loyal, Red State viewers aren't buying it.
UPDATE: War's woes continue. Today the book slides down to No. 364 at Amazon. (Thanks hapkidokid .)
I did but didnt notice it was a her. Can you tell me why she no longer works there?Quote:
If you'd bothered to read the link, you'd know he was a she, and that she worked as a producer at Fox for years. Six years, I believe. She's allowed to have an opinion, and a rather more empirically informed one than your own.
Yes and that will have to be the next thing to go. We cant go around celibrating Holy days any longer now can we?Quote:
And let's ignore the fact that "holiday" has an explicitly religious meaning:
Well theres a leftwing organization of there ever was one.Quote:
According to Media Matters for America's tally
Ill give you its not really a war on christmas. Its more of a slow death. They kill it off a little more each year.