Conservative Club XIV

Liberals and hippies please be kind and stay out. Just start your own club. Thanks.

Yah. It's been done before.

I heretoforth announce The XIV Conservative Club of the Org Backroom.

The purpose of The XIV Conservative Club is to establish a thread where conservatives may discuss the politics within the right-wing conservative realm. Leftist Liberals and bystanders are invited to chime in, gape in awe and wonder, or do any such thing as they see fit. Conservatism may only be advanced through education of one's self. It must be understood to be embraced, and our purpose is to understand the subtle nuances within our political perspective in order to better ourselves. The XIV Conservative Club seeks not to declare our superiority, since that debate has already ended for our members, lest they would not be here. Instead, our mission is to improve upon that which we believe to be best for the future of civilization and society. There are many stripes of conservatism, but which is best for the Western wolrd is something we here seek to discuss.

Before further discussion, please announce your alleigance.

MEMBERS:

The Honorable Mr. Eclectic

The Honorable Mr. Gelatinous Cube, of the Libertarian Bloc

The Honorable Mr. Alexander the Pretty Good

The Honorable Mr. Crazed Rabbit, of the Libertarian Bloc

The Honorable Mr. Strike For The South, of the Texas Alliance Currently confused by the leftist liberal machine. Favors Palestinain terrorists to Israeli Democracy and voted "left" on which side one swings. :shame: Of Course, he had never really said "Aye" either. I am sure the leftists shall welcome you. Surely our beloved Texas cannot. You will be missed.

Membership remains open...

MANLAWS:

Thou shalt not mention leftist liberals expect to show their folly to the world yet again.

Leftist Liberalism is to be considered a disease, and conservatism its cure.

The intrusion of leftist liberals is to be expected here. Consider them the colorful decorations; do not engage them directly, lest you disrupt the sanctity of our illustrious club.

Spectators are to be expected as well. Respect their presence, but engage them at peril- they may be a leftist liberal in disguise.

When going to the fridge for beer, you are obligated to bring a beer for everyone else.

When using the restroom, you are obligated to stop by the fridge and bring back a beer for everyone else.

Better yet, just restock the cooler when its your turn.

Don't Die.

No Fat Chicks.


All those who agree to the manlaws of the conservative club say "aye" and ye shall be entered into our rolls as a member. Break your sacred vows and ye shall be expelled, forever branded a leftist liberal in the eyes of the membership of this,

The XIV Conservative Club

Issues Debated and Conclusions Reached

First Procession, First Chapter: Defining Conservatism
In Progress...

Second Procession, First Chapter: Religion in Public Policy
On the Chopping Block...

Have their really been fourteen conservative clubs? And don't you guys have your own forum? I could have sworn I heard of one....

The fourteenth? I used to have the second bookmarked, but then firefox lost all my bookmarks.

And who's this Eclectic fellow? Is that you, DA?

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Have their really been fourteen conservative clubs? And don't you guys have your own forum? I could have sworn I heard of one....

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Really? It'd be nice to not defend the basic tenants of capitalism all the time.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

And who's this Eclectic fellow? Is that you, DA?

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Yup. That's DA. He scared the hell out of me when he changed his name in the middle of one of our debates. I was like, "who the hell is this 3000+ posts guy, and why is he responding me like that, as if I've ever talked to this weirdo before! WTF?" for a few seconds. ~:)

DA...Eclectic, don't you know that since JAG is back, historical inevitability dictates so that all attempts at creating Konservative Klubs will be assaulted very soon by angry proletarian mobs he represent? Tsk. Tsk.

I assume the Fourteenth is just an indirect implication of support for the Sun King.

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

Liberals and hippies please be kind and stay out. Just start your own club. Thanks.

Yah. It's been done before.

I heretoforth announce the XIV Conservative Club of the Org Backroom.

Before further discussion, please announce your allegiance.

MEMBERS:

TBD


BYLAWS:

TBD

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What opinions do you need to hold to be counted as conservative?

What opinions do you need to hold to be counted as conservative?
Basically you need to agree with everything Divinus says , otherwise you are a liberal .
A recent case in point would be a certain very very fundamentalist Christian who was labelled a liberal for having a differing viewpoint .:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Am I a conservative or a liberal? I never know since I get an ear bashing from both sides. :dizzy2:

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1st bylaw.

Bylaws are now manlaws

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

1st bylaw.

Bylaws are now manlaws

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Why does that mean?

Strike weren't you kicked out of the members only conservative club for being too liberal?

I was both booed and hissed (nobody threw anything) when speaking at a literary conference for stating that the marketplace was the best medium for sorting out good authors from bad. And you should see the hate email I got for declaring that socialism and communism were dead ends.

But here? Oh, I guess I'm a big lefty for the Bushistas. But I'm in good company, with George Will and Navaros now considered liberals.

I never posted in a Conservative Club thread before, but it does bear mentioning -- don't you cute little ubercons have your own secret treehouse out there on the web somewhere? Complete with secret handshakes and decoder rings?

What is the purpose of a new CC on the Org? Did your server die?

Still as stupid as the day it was first proposed here at the .org, yet such a parable of what Conservatives are like; Elite, inward looking dividers.

If you want your own club, join a Conservative forum, surely there must be some people out there so big headed that they believe it is only to themselves they must talk for enlightenment, without dirtying the waters of the backroom.

I want to be an elite, inward-looking divider!

And let Lemur in if he wants to, although I don't think he does.

And JAG, you guys started a "Progressives" thingy in a thread a while back. Don't talk of dirtying these already squalid waters!

Conservatives are the Elite? Surprised to hear Jag state that they are the best in society.

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Why be conservative? It's a waste of time.

Have a nice cold beer instead.

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Why be conservative? It's a waste of time.

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Because: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter was talking about gun-rights IMHO.
He might have been talking about abortion but with a name as cool as Hunter S. Thompson I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by JAG

Still as stupid as the day it was first proposed here at the .org, yet such a parable of what Conservatives are like; Elite, inward looking dividers.

If you want your own club, join a Conservative forum, surely there must be some people out there so big headed that they believe it is only to themselves they must talk for enlightenment, without dirtying the waters of the backroom.

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So, it's not stupid, just like it wasn't when it first came to be?

And funny you use it as a reason to accuse conservatives, since I remember some other clubs immediately starting up.

And you talk about big-headed, then imply that anything not stamped with approval by chomsky is 'dirtying the waters of the backroom' as though this were a lefty shrine to lenin.

And don't even get me started on leftist elitism. Doesn't Chomsky have trusts (which he rails against when other people have them) for his own children?

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I was both booed and hissed (nobody threw anything) when speaking at a literary conference for stating that the marketplace was the best medium for sorting out good authors from bad. And you should see the hate email I got for declaring that socialism and communism were dead ends.

But here? Oh, I guess I'm a big lefty for the Bushistas. But I'm in good company, with George Will and Navaros now considered liberals.

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I think most Americans, of either party, would agree with your sentiments. And what's with the term 'Bushistas'? The newest sound byte from kos? ~;p

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I never posted in a Conservative Club thread before, but it does bear mentioning -- don't you cute little ubercons have your own secret treehouse out there on the web somewhere? Complete with secret handshakes and decoder rings?

What is the purpose of a new CC on the Org? Did your server die?

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No, actually it's in one of my underground lairs where we plot global domination, unrestained capitalism and an end to sensitivity campaigns of any type.
But we don't have any decoder rings, which is probably why we haven't been successful yet. Your idea of using an 'internet' 'forum' as a meeting place is intriguing, considering that our current communication method of cans and strings is high maintenance.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

He might have been talking about abortion but with a name as cool as Hunter S. Thompson I doubt it.

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I bet he's got the rolled-up sleeves, the granite-slab jawline, the quarter-inch cropped hair, and hamstrings like slabs of raw meat. I also bet he drives the biggest and most inefficient SUV on the market, and that he feels just a bit happier with each ton of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere.

He's also dead.

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

He's also dead.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Conservatives are the Elite? Surprised to hear Jag state that they are the best in society.

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CR - other clubs started up - none of which came with my satisfaction and agreement and I stated that in all of them.

And I think the reason as to why these threads are so pointless and loathing is summed up with the factthat this is the 14th one. When it fails once can't you just leave it, surely that isn't very market responsive.

Conservative Club: A club that always slices for a right handed but always hooks for a left handed player. Not good for plays from the rough or the bunkers as it really isn't planned to ever play in them as all shots were expected to land on the green.

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Originally Posted by JAG

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CR - other clubs started up - none of which came with my satisfaction and agreement and I stated that in all of them.

And I think the reason as to why these threads are so pointless and loathing is summed up with the factthat this is the 14th one. When it fails once can't you just leave it, surely that isn't very market responsive.

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I thought you'd be pleased - it's obviously a lovely command economy. The proletariat will like this type of thing, or they are Enemies of The State. :skull:

~:smoking:

I guess you just couldn't understand the concept of elitism JAG. After all... Keele ?

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

I guess you just couldn't understand the concept of elitism JAG. After all... Keele ?

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Ouch!

I like elitism. I guess most who went to Imperial College, London do...

It's lonely at the top, but the view is great :wiseguy:

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

I thought you'd be pleased - it's obviously a lovely command economy. The proletariat will like this type of thing, or they are Enemies of The State. :skull:

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Wasn't Proletariat, now one of our assistant mods, once a member of one of these clubs?

(read sign: No Shirt. No Shoes. No service!)

Whoops! I don't think I'm allowed in here. I quit wearing my hair shirt long ago. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

I guess you just couldn't understand the concept of elitism JAG. After all... Keele ?

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~:rolleyes:

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And I think the reason as to why these threads are so pointless and loathing is summed up with the factthat this is the 14th one. When it fails once can't you just leave it, surely that isn't very market responsive.

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So, giving up on the first try is market responsive? That's a crazy view of capitalism. And if it isn't capitalistic, why don't you like it?

And actually, this would be the third. I think the second is still buried in the depths somewhere...

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Conservative Club: A club that always slices for a right handed but always hooks for a left handed player. Not good for plays from the rough or the bunkers as it really isn't planned to ever play in them as all shots were expected to land on the green.

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Heehee, and I'm a terrible golfer.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Who died and made you a moderator? Back off.

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Since when did not being a moderator stop people commenting?

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

You're acting like any thread without your approval is some kind of "lesser" thread. It smacks of a disgusting arrogance.

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Not at all, just this one. If you want to talk with just conservatives there are plenty of outlets, why here? To think you can start up your own thread just for conservatives in an open to anyone forum and expect them not to take part in the thread, that smacks of a disgusting arrogance to me and many more things besides.

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Liberals and hippies please be kind and stay out. Just start your own club. Thanks.

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So, as long as I have your permission it is OK and I can ignore DA's. Great!

And we all know what this thread is about and it is nothing but pats on the back for fellow conservatives.

The Conservative Club XIV thread aka The Let's Bait JAG thread. Come here little fishy :laugh3:

as short-sighted and pitiable as conservatives tend to be.. i have no problem with them segregating themselves to adimre eachother, or whatever the purpose of threads like this are.

however, JAG has a point. to start a thread on a public game forum with the intent of excluding other members is a bit off. sure E asked nicely, kind of*, but you can't really expect any recourse when non-conservatives crash a 'private' party held on public grounds.




*"hippies"?

A more accurate phrase for Neo-cons is Old-libs. Or as at least one Old-lib neo-con changed his title to, Neo-Wilsonian. Some asian guy, I guess he's seen the wisdom of ineffective foreign policy and segregation. :dizzy2:

Excuse me, but Aenlic pointed out that you have Cheetos here...


*Grabs the bag and runs*

Ah I am rather amused once again. :laugh4: :laugh4:

Threads like this are dumb. If a liberal started something like this and requested non-leftists keep out, the first thing I'd do was spam some Coulter and Limbaugh all over it. E's asking for it, no doubt. JAG's stolen the show here though with his reflexive political thought process, as if he'd unload that crock on any other sort of politically focused e-club back here other than a conservative one.

If I am a religious conservative, yet somewhat liberal politcs-thinker, does that make me eligible?

Well, I couldn't say. We're a diverse bunch.

I think the core would be supporting capitalism in general over socialism, and, well, I'd say small government but lately our 'conservative' pres hasn't lived up to that. In America, being conservative also generally means being against abortion, for traditional values, against gay marriage, against taxes, individual responsibility, and probably some others I forgot.

I, personally, support capitalism, very little government inference or regulation of your life, am a believer in tradition and I am religious.

Should something come of this thread, the most important thing might be if you want to join. It seems to me that you support what we Americans call 'gun rights' and individual freedom, so you can't be as bad as a lot of the lefties in America.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Should something come of this thread, the most important thing might be if you want to join. It seems to me that you support what we Americans call 'gun rights' and individual freedom, so you can't be as bad as a lot of the lefties in America.Crazed Rabbit

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Now you've just intrigued me, CR; because I fully support the 2nd Amendment and am especially fond of individual rights. The two are pretty much inseparable, in my opinion. And yet, we're at opposite ends on nearly everything else; except, perhaps, me taking small government to the extreme of no government, as such. :wink: Perhaps some additional clarification is in order?

See? Perhaps the too-easy pigeon-holes which some are fond of trying to stuff others into aren't as fitting as some might believe. Just a thought. :grin:

Labels are easier than thinking.

Maybe Divinus should change the clubs name .
Perhaps the contradictory club is more appropriate .

I, personally, support capitalism, very little government inference or regulation of your life, am a believer in tradition and I am religious.
So does Osama B , is he eligible for club membership ?
Damn , these pigeon holes don't work very well do they .:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

See? Perhaps the too-easy pigeon-holes which some are fond of trying to stuff others into aren't as fitting as some might believe. Just a thought. :grin:

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I see the main problem with pigeon holing someone is:

















Holding them down long enough to chop them into small enough pieces. :juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Anti-Gay?

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I wouldn't say a necessity of being Conservative was being 'Anti-gay.' Perhaps the belief that gay people should not be entitled to the same rights of union as opposite sex couples and perhaps should not be entitled to adopt children. Anti-gay sounds to me like you have something more generally against the existance of gay people at all.

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Personal Freedom (Guns, ect.)?

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While I don't presume to question our right and duty to keep and bear arms - surely this is not an issue of Freedom or not the best example of personal freedom. Somebody else's right to have firearms directly infringes on my right to walk wherever I please, similary their right to property and so on.
The more important foundation of Conservatism, in my opinion, is not an individual's rights or freedoms but rather the responsibilites imposed on others in order to maintain those rights and possibly also to prevent them being necessary. You might argue that you have the right to have firearms to protect your property which is an extension of the fact you believe you should be able to shoot someone if they tresspass onto your property. Shooting someone is a crime, but because they ignored their responsibility not to invade your private land, you exercised your right to shoot them.
This is the part of Conservatism I actually admire. It places the emphasis on the individual's responsibilty to do what they're supposed to, rather than the World-Gone-Mad attitude of being more concerned with their rights in the event that they do something wrong and with blunt intent. I'm not saying we should violently attack people just for being stupid or errors of judgement, but clearly, if you break into someone's house you are knowingly ignoring your responsbilities to society.

Anti-Socialist? Pro-Capitalist? Because all humans are equal, I'm superior to those who fails to recognize this fact in their own false sense of freedom that comes through oppression. They, who live in the indignity of following the Corporatist false cries of capitalism and the Imperialist fears against the historical inevitability that is socialism, must learn their ways anew lest they fail the cause of humanity. And did I mention all humans are equal?

Anti-Abortion? I hide myself behind the shield of Freedom of Choice to say : "Mind your own business" with pride and moral superiority. The real reason is actually for the benefit of all free, unmarried men. Why do you hate freedom?

Pro-"Traditional Values"? I take every opportunity to insult priests with pedophile jokes and pedophiles with Church jokes, and believe (how dare I!) that horrific gorish aggressive violence is worse than f-word, s-word, b-word, alphabet-word, etc. on TV. So no. Blame it on South "Blame Canada" Park.

Anti-Gay? Just for the purpose of this thread, I'm gonna pretend I'm gay for a minute. It's so super! You go girl! The purpose? To insult moralists with dirty stereotype gay jokes and gays with dirty stereotype redneck inbred jokes, and maintain that I have insulted nobody because I'm supposedly both. As you know, gays can't inbreed. So it's all cool to be a redneck gay. Once I'm done, it's back to pick up chicks and business as usual.

Anti-Big Government? I am the government. I am bigger than Leviathan. I need to lose some weight.

Personal Freedom (Guns, ect.)? Guns are only for those who will use them for their intended purpose: to serve me. The radicals, liberals, rebels, libertarians, anarchists, communists, fundamentalists, Nazis, insecure men with small sexual organs and big vehicles, and rednecks will have to make do with Canadian axes for now. Personal Freedom is overrated. :yes:

Am I a conservative?

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Now you've just intrigued me, CR; because I fully support the 2nd Amendment and am especially fond of individual rights. The two are pretty much inseparable, in my opinion. And yet, we're at opposite ends on nearly everything else; except, perhaps, me taking small government to the extreme of no government, as such. :wink: Perhaps some additional clarification is in order?

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Well, I seem to think of myself as a libertarian more than a traditional American conservative.

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I, personally, support capitalism, very little government inference or regulation of your life, am a believer in tradition and I am religious.
So does Osama B , is he eligible for club membership ?
Damn , these pigeon holes don't work very well do they .

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"Hello, I'm tribesman, with yet another post that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Aren't I clever?" :rolleyes:

Crazed Rabbit

I'm not sure Osama B is pro-capitalist in any way shape or form. I think the hint in that one was the fact they attacked the World TRADE Centre.

"Hello, I'm tribesman, with yet another post that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Aren't I clever?"
Osama B is a wealthy businessman so is in favour of capitalism , he certainly doesn't like government interference or regulations , he is very traditionalist and claims to be religeous , he also is fond of guns .
He has gotta be conservative then hasn't he , he fits all the criteria you use to define your conservative pigeon hole Rabbit .
Once again I add absolutely nothing to the discussion by pointing out a major flaw in applying labels to people and trying to carpmentalise their position under a single vague word like liberal or conservative .

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"Hello, I'm tribesman, with yet another post that adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Aren't I clever?"
Osama B is a wealthy businessman so is in favour of capitalism ,

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You're assuming. Know what we Americans say about that?

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he certainly doesn't like government interference or regulations ,

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What planet are you from? And what rock have you been living under there? Do you think Osama doesn't want governments enforcing Islamic laws?

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He has gotta be conservative then hasn't he , he fits all the criteria you use to define your conservative pigeon hole Rabbit .

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I wasn't even defining conservative with what you quoted.

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Once again I add absolutely nothing to the discussion by pointing out a major flaw in applying labels to people and trying to carpmentalise their position under a single vague word like liberal or conservative .

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No, you attempted to be clever but fell flat on your face becuse of your absurd example and lack of understanding regarding what you were replying to.

Crazed Rabbit

I don't wish to offend anyone; but I think it all has a very simple explanation.

We are not so far removed from the other primates that we don't still have certain very basic instinctual reactions. We also have some 2 million years of hominid savannah-walker instincts churning beneath a thin 5000-year old veneer of "civilized" behavior. Now, I don't wish to get into a vast argument about evolution and primates and whether or not the world was created some 4800 years ago as suggested by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

My point is simply that it is perfectly understandable for a primate, when feeling stressed or threatened, to seek the comfort of the group. It's deeply laid into our instincts. It's a very primate (and primal) thing to do. Perfectly natural. The difficulty comes when we get to defining the "group" within a modern context. All too often, we suddenly discover that the comforting group to which we've run for safety, expecting a bit of grooming a nice warm hug, turns out not to be chimps but a troup of baboons. Ooops! :wink:

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All too often, we suddenly discover that the comforting group to which we've run for safety, expecting a bit of grooming a nice warm hug, turns out not to be chimps but a troup of baboons. Ooops! :wink:

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Keep your big chimps and baboons as examples, I want the Bonobo like group. :bow:

So what is the point of this thread anyway? (apart from filling up the db)

Why a conservative "club"? This implies that the conservatives among us need some kind of a 'retreat' in order to group together for safety? Is there strength in numbers? So the conservatives feel the need to know their fellows? Maybe this needs to be a conservative 'hive', or conservative 'colony'? Are the conservative ideals and policies that fragile that a group is needed to add weight to argument? And this is the 14th instance? Well...

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Keep your big chimps and baboons as examples, I want the Bonobo like group. :bow:

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Pfft! Bonobos are too short. We all know what happens to short people. They got nobody, as the song goes. :grin:

I'd go with lemurs, they're much cuter, but it would get all confusing when that other primate, Lemur, shows up!

lol.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Ouch!

I like elitism. I guess most who went to Imperial College, London do...

It's lonely at the top, but the view is great :wiseguy:

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Imperial? Terrible dump. Nearly as bad as that place in the fens.

ORDER! ORDER!

*Pounds Gavel*

I hereto forthwithby call this esteemed and holy club to order. Our magnamimous fellow conservative Gawain Of Orkeny is on an extended leave. In his place, I shall cite the bylaws, excuse me, *manlaws* of the Conservative Club:


Thou shalt not mention leftist liberals expect to show their folly to the world yet again.

Liberalism is to be considered a disease, and conservatism its cure.

The intrusion of leftist liberals is to be expected here. Consider them the colorful decorations; do not engage them directly, lest you disrupt the sanctity of our illustrious club.

Spectators are to be expected as well. Respect their presence, but engage them at peril- they may be a leftist liberal in disguise.

When going to the fridge for beer, you are obligated to bring a beer for everyone else.

When using the restroom, you are obligated to stop by the fridge and bring back a beer for everyone else.

Better yet, just restock the cooler when its your turn.

Don't Die.

No Fat Chicks.


All those who agree to the manlaws of the conservative club say "aye" and ye shall be entered into our rolls as a member. Break your sacred vows and ye shall be expelled, forever branded a leftist liberal in the eyes of the membership of this,

The XIV Conservative Club.

The First Procession, First Chapter, of Conservative Debate for this, The XIV Conservative Club begins as such:

Define what Conservatism means for you and how you came to choose Conservatism over that of Leftist Liberalism.

I think I already answered that one:

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The most important foundation of Conservatism, in my opinion, is not an individual's rights or freedoms but rather the responsibilites imposed on others in order to maintain those rights and possibly also to prevent them being necessary. You might argue that you have the right to have firearms to protect your property which is an extension of the fact you believe you should be able to shoot someone if they tresspass onto your property. Shooting someone is a crime, but because they ignored their responsibility not to invade your private land, you exercised your right to shoot them.
This is the part of Conservatism I actually admire. It places the emphasis on the individual's responsibilty to do what they're supposed to, rather than the World-Gone-Mad attitude of being more concerned with their rights in the event that they do something wrong and with blunt intent. I'm not saying we should violently attack people just for being stupid or errors of judgement, but clearly, if you break into someone's house you are knowingly ignoring your responsbilities to society.

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Like I say... I admire the way it treats people as intelligent rational beings who are capable of making decisions for themselves rather than the leftist viewpoint of little children who desperately need the Mother State to feed them and make the tough decisions for them.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

I find the general trend of modern conservatives towards heavy-handed government-enforced moralism to be very disturbing, and counter-productive to the fundamental idea of freedom.

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Mr. Gelatinous Cube, my thanks. The XIV Conservative Club shall be sure to debate the merits of religion in public policy in the future.

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

I admire the way it treats people as intelligent rational beings who are capable of making decisions for themselves rather than the leftist viewpoint of little children who desperately need the Mother State to feed them and make the tough decisions for them.

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Does the Honorable Mr. Al Khalifah seek to join our rolls?

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

When going to the fridge for beer, you are obligated to bring a beer for everyone else.

When using the restroom, you are obligated to stop by the fridge and bring back a beer for everyone else.

Better yet, just restock the cooler when its your turn.

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Communist ideology! Sharing the wealth! Sharing the labor! Everyone expected to provide (beer) for the mutual benefit (drunkeness) of the common good! Shame! Boo! Hiss! :grin:

I stocked the fridge gents. Here's a round on me. Go ahead Leftist Liberals, have a beer on the house. Although free, you will, however, as is your custom, be taxed at $5k per bottle in order to pay for crack-whore rehabilitation in Houston.

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don't know no nothing about no crack whores. and you can keep your guinness. but here's a bit of the good stuff for you poor misguided cons. beer transcends all boundaries.


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Is Petrus from the same brewry that makes Hertog Jann?

i don't believe so. petrus is brouwerij bavik. hertog is it's own brewer, right?

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Is Petrus from the same brewry that makes Hertog Jann?

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edit: ok, enough with the beer i guess. though it does nothing but help this thread..

Contemplates hijacking and converting thread into a beer thread in order to try and save it... but decides against...

I do not interfere, just want to wish you good luck for your club, Eclectic!

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This one makes me curious. Wasn't it Mao who considered political views as a disease? Didn't he send opponents into mental homes. Or was it Stalin? Or Hitler? Or all of them?

My memory does not serve. Maybe you can help!

WET T-SHIRT CONTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RULES OF ENTRY FOR THE XIV CONSERVATIVE CLUB

1st DECLARATION WET T-SHIRT CONTEST

NO FAT CHICKS.

NO NUDITY.

NO FAT CHICKS.

NUMBER YOUR CONTESTANTS. (Arbitrary is fine, keep it sane please)

NO FAT CHICKS.

ENTRY STOPS AND VOTING BEGINS WHEN THE HONORABLE MR. ECLECTIC DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

NO FAT CHICKS.

ALL CONTESTANT ENTRIES WITH A SPECIAL RELTAIONSHIP TO CONSERVATISM WILL AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE A FREE VOTE. THIS INCLUDES LINKS TO LIBERAL TOMFOOLERY OR CONSERVATIVE HEROICS.

AND ABOVE ALL: NO FAT CHICKS!!!!


Let the contest Commence.

Contestant #1:

Nice but not PG-rated.



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EDIT: I almost forget my free vote! The Case Against Socialism. (One of Many.)

Not being a conservative, I have kept out till now. But I couldn't help observing that the entirety of your platform appears to be alcohol abuse and objectification of women.

:stare:

:thinking:

:thumbsup:

My entry:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...et-t-shirt.jpg

Not a fat chick, no nudity etc.

And for the special bonus point, Family Values!!!

:bow:

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

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Waidaminute: using less fuel, a depletable resource imported from countries hostile to the US for tons of $$$ is bad ?

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Seriously though, conservativism is mostly defined by what it is not: liberalism (the real kind) or socialism (and communism). It's an ideology based on the notion that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, like communism, but interpreted differently. Perhaps 'the many' is not the right choice of words, it is more about the good of society as an abstract entity, often. It's strongest foundation is tradition, if it worked before it should work now. This often leads to a critical view towards science (like global warming), other lifestyles (homosexuals) and other cultures (like Islam). Since tradition is often tied to a nation conservativism often implies nationalism.


Liberalism, on the other hand, emphasizes personal liberty over almost anything else. It's an ideology (conservativism is much more pragmatic) and therefor not workable as a 'pure' system. With personal liberty also comes the need for personal responsibility, an aspect all too often forgotten by those calling themselves liberals these days. Liberalism is a continuation from the great thinkers of the enlightenment and often considered too intellectual by the masses.

Other left wing groups have called themselves liberals, such as environmentalists. But while a restriction on whaling can still be considered a liberal idea (to avoid extinction, taking responsibility and acknowledging our influence on nature) several other fringe groups defending vegetarianism or trying to ban all hunting are definitely not liberals.

Socialism is another idealogy and in some ways seems opposite to liberalism. The basic idea is that through uniting and working towards a common goal a group can become more than the sum of its individuals. While conservativism emphasizes the duty of a person towards society, socialism often emphasizes the duty of society towards the individual. Like liberalism it needs a pragmatic implementation to work.

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Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

My entry:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...et-t-shirt.jpg

Not a fat chick, no nudity etc.

And for the special bonus point, Family Values!!!

:bow:

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Did he just take a piss ? :laugh4:

*opens the closet door a crack*

Psst, Doc! This is the Conservative Club. Thinking ain't allowed. They just wanna have fun...

Get back in the closet with the rest of us pinkos. We stole their Cheetos :grin:

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Did he just take a piss ? :laugh4:

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Taking the piss is what conservatism is all about. I think I should get another bonus point. :bounce:

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Seriously though, conservativism is mostly defined by what it is not: liberalism (the real kind) or socialism (and communism).

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Alternatively, the leftist ideology can be defined in terms of what it is not: Conservatism and since the principles are derived from natural rights, it seems to me that it was around first as well.
Your argument is dualist.

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

Alternatively, the leftist ideology can be defined in terms of what it is not: Conservatism and since the principles are derived from natural rights, it seems to me that it was around first as well.
Your argument is dualist.

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I thought about this. I found my way of defining it easier. Note that I did give an actual explanation with as little referral to the other systems as well.

Conservatism can hardly be called an ideology. It's a collection of ideologies (most notably capitalism) and tradition (often inspired by Christianty). Liberalism and socialism are ideologies, abstract concepts of a 'perfect' world.

O, and the natural rights thing is essentially liberalism :laugh4:

Actually, parts of true liberalism is a (small) part of conservatism, but don't let that spoil the fun

Hilarious. :laugh4: Abd thank you, DA, but I have all I need right here:

https://img272.imageshack.us/img272/...nsilver6ds.jpg
Tequila,

https://img272.imageshack.us/img272/407/grass5rd.jpg
Grass,

https://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7369/30578wh.jpg
and cheeseburgers.

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Originally Posted by Zorba

https://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7369/30578wh.jpg
and cheeseburgers.

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What?! Where!?! Please tell me now!

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Whoah..those are huge! But she's not all that hot.. 5 out of 10!
This is the post that contains inaccurate information ~;)

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That's a costume. They are plastic in a thin-material shirt. LOL!