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Can I have some social exclusion with that please?
Well you anglo-saxons, how do feel about not being welcome on your own soil?
'unislamic enviroment' hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Can I have some social exclusion with that please?
Well you anglo-saxons, how do feel about not being welcome on your own soil?
'unislamic enviroment' hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
"Your beard must be this long to enter"
Whats it all about?
Well you anglo-saxons, how do feel about not being welcome on your own soil?
Do you have a problem with people block booking a venue , or is it only a problem if those people are of a religeon that you don't like .:no:
Poor Fragony , it does seem as if you go out of your way to take offence .
"Your beard must be this long to enter"
classic:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
It's obvious they don't like being around brits, social exclusion my derriere, they isolate themselves. Replace muslims with 'whites' and check the score on your offencomatic. We are all equal huh, some just a little bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Of course you see it differently.
Why do this? It is blatant intollerance of another's culture. Not because they wish to block book the venue, but feel that going on a day where another culture is on display (the indigenous culture, mind) is not acceptable.
They are essentially only willing to go to this place on the proviso that it is completely transformed to suit their own preferences. That is intollerant.
Replace muslims with 'whites' and check the score on your offencomatic
Is there any provision to ban people from attending due to their creed or colour ?
Nope if it was whites only , Muslims only or only people with green skin then it would be offensive , but it isn't is it .
Of course you see it differently.
Yep , I don't give a damn what people want to do with their spare time .
They are essentially only willing to go to this place on the proviso that it is completely transformed to suit their own preferences. That is intollerant.
Nope they are exercising their rights as citizens, it wold be no different if a leather fetish group block booked the venue and said that anyone is welcome to attend as long as they wear leather .
They're not just posing restrictions on who can attend though. They are also enforcing changes to the actual venue itself. In other words - isolating themselves from the influence of other cultures and attitudes.
Ok that was a bit dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
But it's not about them hiring an atractionpark, it's about that they won't come unless there are no infidels. All the multicultists cry social exclusion, when it is obviously voluntary isolation. Conclusion, they don't want to fit in.
They are also enforcing changes to the actual venue itself. In other words - isolating themselves from the influence of other cultures and attitudes.
So what , they are paying for it , would you have a problem if it was Vegans doing it and they told the parks owners not to sell animal products on the day ?:inquisitive:
They're not just posing restrictions on who can attend though.
There are two restrictions they are placing , do you know what they are ? apart from buying a ticket in the first place:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Do you know how many restrictions the venue itself has on who can attend on any other day ?
For me it is summed up by the words:
That my friend, is ISOLATIONISM. Because the culture is NOT Islamic, they do not wish to see it. Hence they are shielding themselves from a culture which is NOT their own.Quote:
Many of us including myself love theme parks but are put off by the unislamic environment
If I said to you, I'd quite like to visit Saudi Arabia but I'm rather but off by the Islamic environment would you say that is wrong or right? Or rather, I don't want to go to Saudi Arabia because its an unchristian environment.
*shudders* Sickening, if anyone who wasnt muslim did this, the muslims would go around beheading people because of it.
That my friend, is ISOLATIONISM. Because the culture is NOT Islamic, they do not wish to see it. Hence they are shielding themselves from a culture which is NOT their own.
So what ? Do you invite a Jehovahs witness' to a Chritmas celebration, do you invite a Muslim round to help you slaughter a pig ?
Many of us including myself love theme parks but are put off by the unislamic environment
So how would that be if it was...."many of us including myself love supermarkets , but are put off because they are not Kosher" ?
My god that's outrageous how dare they not fit in :dizzy2:
But it's not about them hiring an atractionpark, it's about that they won't come unless there are no infidels.
Errrrr...it is about hiring a public venue , and has nothing to do with the presence of infidels , or are they hiring all new staff for the day ?
Conclusion, they don't want to fit in.
Conclusion , you have a problem with Muslims don't you:juggle2:
Errrrr...it is about hiring a public venue , and has nothing to do with the presence of infidels , or are they hiring all new staff for the day ?
No it's not, and probably, but who knows, they just might tolerate a non-muslim staff.
Conclusion , you have a problem with Muslims don't you:juggle2:
Yup, and it's getting worse each day. It's of no use tolerating the intolerant.
No it's not
So this topic about a group block booking a public venue is not about a group block booking a public venue????????....rigggght:dizzy2:
Yup, and it's getting worse each day. It's of no use tolerating the intolerant.
Hey I can tolerate you Frag , don't worry no need to put yourself down like that , leave that to me , I know its no use trying to enlighten your thought process , though that process does seem to get worse every day .:2thumbsup:
So this topic about a group block booking a public venue is not about a group block booking a public venue????????....rigggght:dizzy2:
Indeed, check title 'They just want to fit in, right.' It's about it's implications, a great word for scrabble I might add.
Hey I can tolerate you Frag , don't worry no need to put yourself down like that , leave that to me , I know its no use trying to enlighten your thought process , though that process does seem to get worse every day .:2thumbsup:
How nice of you, still you seem to be the only one disagreeing with me on this. So congrats, you got what you always wanted, finally a minority.
I don't like it.
But our society would be worse if there were laws to stop people doing it.
Their money, their rules.
I enjoy going to a Club in London. No women except in 2 rooms, code of behaviour, code of dress. No general public. It's as far from the masses as possible, and I love it.
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Yes, I would call them crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I think excluding some people is always weird and excluding people because of their culture is just as weird and wrong as excluding people because of their race or colour IMO.
Would you mind if I booked the place and let only white supremacists in because I don´t like seeing all those of "lower" races?:inquisitive:
Alton Towers is great fun - having been there just 6 weeks ago - hope they have a great time!
It migt just be me, but I didn't spot a beard requirement to enter. If they want a no pork/no beer themed day, it's their money :bow:
If there'd been a Hindu or a hannukah day, would this thread even have existed?
No, because Hindu's and Hannukah (waht?) don't cause any troubles and thus have no need for multicultists that throw everything on us not accepting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
I dislike this intensely, how does this sound:
I hire Alton Towers and I exclude anyone who is not a Christian by:
1: Requiring everyone to wear a cross and carry a rosary.
2: Its a Friday, so I only serve fish.
3: No swearing, taking the Lord's name in vain or mocking Christianity.
4: No Pagan symbols which will, btw, close half the rides.
Or how about I just go there and turn a blind eye to those things and enjoy myself.
(In point of fact I'm probably technically guilty of all of the above.)
I don't like the Hijab but I don't go tearing them off Muslim women's heads, do I?
This shows intollerance on a massive scale, about the only good point is the Halal food, which should always be provided, as should Kosha food.
Tollerance is about living with something without having to accept it, every other major religion manages. I can barely remember the last time a Jew, Sikh of Hindu complained about being persecuted, its just Muslims.
Its not even all Muslims but no one, including other Muslims speaks up.
What do you mean by "always"? Every restaurant? Every resort? If there's money to be made, people stock it. Else bring a lunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
My friend is gluten intolerant. Should every place have gluten free food? She can't choose this condition, whereas Muslims and Jews choose t eact certain foods.
~:smoking:
I do not see th big problem with this. They are just renting the park, so they there will be no alkohol, and Islamic-culture food. This doesn't mean that ONLY Muslims are allowed. I assume that a non-Islamic person would be let in to the park, as long as they heeded the Islamic rules.
You don't mind the oppression of women, then? Something makes me think most will be wearing those burqas (or similar dress).Quote:
Alton Towers is great fun - having been there just 6 weeks ago - hope they have a great time!
The problem with this is, as Fragony and others pointed out, isolation from the society they live in. It seems Tribesman cannot see the forest for the trees, and ignores the main problem here; these people want to exclude themselves from society. They don't want to integrate with all the other people in England. They are not happy, it seems, with a society that includes people of different religions, or does not follow their religious guidelines.
Crazed Rabbit
wow.
can't spell it out any more simply than tribesman already has. but the fear and hatred being displayed here under a weak guise of concern for integration is astonishing.
just, wow.
Hmm...oppression...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Perhaps one should ask these women whether they wear it willingly out of religious observation or unwillingly?
Concern of integration is not the issue, actually I prefer it that way. But I am not going to take blame for another person's blatantly obvious refusal, and I am certainly not happy about the millions and millions of euro's that are pumped into a lost cause, namely the integration of muslims into this big shiny cuddly fuzzy thing the completily foolish like to call multiculture. They don't want it, basta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_John
Oh, thou, the members of the Org who have common sense, what's wrong with this ?
They pay for it, they book it and thus making arrangements to their wishes. Whoever is obliged from outside? If you want it, you'll pay for it and meet there. What's up with this?
Fragony, I know you are problemous with Muslims however I should also add that I'm sick of seeing every thread of yours compiled of such nonsense anti-Muslim propaganda.
Big deal. I attend gatherings like this all the time. People who aren't into death metal can come if they want to, but chances are, they won't have much fun. But hey, we pay to book the place, pay to bring the bands on stage, pay to get in, pay to buy beer, pay to buy merch...anyone who has a problem with that is just being an arsepick.
I agree wholeheartedly with EVERYTHING in the above quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
:jawdrop: This person has to be joking...Quote:
Originally Posted by saira_1000
The saddest thing about this thread is that those who denounce muslims for not 'integrating' and 'getting involved in society', probably have not a single muslim friend amongst them. You are so scared about these evil people, maybe you should actually get involved yourself and meet these people, who you continually decry for being so different and dangerous.
Personally, I live within 30 minutes of Heathrow and thus I live in the biggest dumping ground of immigrants in this country and I have never had a problem with a muslim person or any other 'foreign' person that I havent had with a 'white anglo saxon'.
Tollerance is about living with something without having to accept it, every other major religion manages. I can barely remember the last time a Jew, Sikh of Hindu complained about being persecuted, its just Muslims.
So you cannot remember the Christians complaining about Sunday opening , sports on Sunday , protest marches on a Sunday ?
What about the problem with finding a new Jewish cemetry for London , they just won't fit in with local burial places don't ya know .
Sihks , Hindus , very upset about the problems local laws tried to impose on the carrying of swords wasn't there , or the older one about crash helmets .
This rubbish about the Muslims not fitting in is exactly the same crap that was written about the Jewish population in the 19/20th centuries . In fact if you read the complaints at the time about the Federation of Synagogs organised days out , festivals and celebrations , then you find it is exactly the same rubbish as is being spouted now about Muslims practically word for word .
Come to think of it , it is the same crap that is written about immigrants or peoplewhoo are different everywhere .
The problem with this is, as Fragony and others pointed out, isolation from the society they live in. It seems Tribesman cannot see the forest for the trees, and ignores the main problem here; these people want to exclude themselves from society. They don't want to integrate with all the other people in England. They are not happy, it seems, with a society that includes people of different religions, or does not follow their religious guidelines.
Thats strange Rabbit , I thought you were in favour of people like that .
Or is it only people like that if they have lots of guns and live in a compound ?
Hmm, I rethought about the issue and have to say there are two passages that bothered me, maybe I misunderstood:
1. "All childrens' areas will be limited to sisters only." What exactly does that mean, who is meant with "sisters"? Muslim women? or small girls who have a brother?
2. "Many of us including myself love theme parks but are put off by the unislamic environment, now's your chance to experience the thrills of the park in a halal environment inshaAllah!" I may have overreacted, but it sounds a bit like our culture is not good enough for them, like they feel their culture was superior. And because I think we are all the same, that hurt me. But as I said, maybe I misunderstood.
Apart from that I have no problems, I only dislike turks.~;)
Yeah I was wondering what that meant too. I guess they mean little girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
No, "sisters" mean here the way they use the "brother" for. I don't know about the Arabic concept for it but in Turkish the seperation of women from men in a gathering (only religiously oriented) is called "haremlik - selamlık". That means the women will reside in children's areas while the gathering takes place.
The claim of cultural superiority is nothing new nor one-sided ~;)Quote:
2. "Many of us including myself love theme parks but are put off by the unislamic environment, now's your chance to experience the thrills of the park in a halal environment inshaAllah!" I may have overreacted, but it sounds a bit like our culture is not good enough for them, like they feel their culture was superior. And because I think we are all the same, that hurt me. But as I said, maybe I misunderstood.
But I adore you, Nuss ~D (I miss the chat sessions, gah..)Quote:
Apart from that I have no problems, I only dislike turks.
But seriously, everyone has the right to like/dislike. My regards, I think myself as a German and sometimes I'd simply get frustrated with Turkish populace over there.
I think they might mean all muslim women. Reading that thread, some of them refer to each others as 'sisters'.
I was wondering when the tired accusations of fear and hate would come up. I guess we know now. After all, it's easier to just accuse than actually debate.Quote:
The saddest thing about this thread is that those who denounce muslims for not 'integrating' and 'getting involved in society', probably have not a single muslim friend amongst them. You are so scared about these evil people, maybe you should actually get involved yourself and meet these people, who you continually decry for being so different and dangerous.
Sounds like you need some reading analysis skills.Quote:
Thats strange Rabbit , I thought you were in favour of people like that .
Or is it only people like that if they have lots of guns and live in a compound ?
LEN, I'm not against them booking this so much as their reasons for doing so.
All these people bringing up comparisons to vegetarians, etc., don't realize that vegetarians don't try to exclude themselves from the rest of society.
Crazed Rabbit
But wrong nonetheless.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
I love you, too, Wuss.:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
Some of them are probably weird, but I haven´t had any problems so far and my neighborhood has quite a few turks. Besides, one of my best friends here is of turkish origin.:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine
So its a private venue as they have booked it all out. But some are annoyed that they will theme it in a non-multicultural way.
So should the Opera theaters which are so staid with their traditions be forced to play Kylie to make them more acceptable to the masses?
Should we drain half our swimming pools so that skateboarders don't feel threatened when going to an aquatic center as their chosen hobby is not generally looked out for?
Should we put gambling dens and pubs in every Church so that a wider swath of society is represented?
Should we get incensed that our local Indian restaurants don't serve steak'n'kidney pies?
Ahahahahahahahaha..... ahahahahhah... ok ok I'm done, I'm done... no not finished yet ahahahahhah.Quote:
The saddest thing about this thread is that those who denounce muslims for not 'integrating' and 'getting involved in society', probably have not a single muslim friend amongst them. You are so scared about these evil people, maybe you should actually get involved yourself and meet these people, who you continually decry for being so different and dangerous.
Ok now. You claim that those in this thread who denounce muslims for not integrating with the rest of soceity probably don't have a single muslim friend amongst us. This reminded me of a conversation I had with my muslim NEIGHBOUR and FRIEND after the 7/7 attacks. We were talking about possible motivations for this sort of thing. My neighbour used to live in Leeds not far from the area where one of the bombers lived. I asked him why he thought muslims were both targetted and targetting the rest of society. He said that - and I try to quote him his best I can - that he felt that 'muslims did not try nearly hard enough to mingle with other groups in society.' He spoke out about the way many muslims, including his own parents are unwilling to integrate with other ethnic groups - specifically Jewish and Hindu communities. Unlike other groups, many muslim immigrants to Britain have brought a lot of baggage with them.
He was of course keen to differentiate between many younger British-born muslims who he feels are an active part of their local communities and others who are either already prejudiced or have been made so by their parents. The problem is that those who do wish to integrate with the rest of society are often prevented from doing so by those who wish to impose this shield on them and I would be the first to admit these people are on both sides of the theological fence.
My concern is purely that this kind of activity is just maintaing that cultural wall. If there is no mingling then there is no communication. Without communication there can be no understanding and so hatred and conflict will flourish.
Please don't make such blanket or ignorant accusations. There are muslims who dislike this kind of thing - because of the cultural wall it builds around them. Multiculturalism does not mean everyone living in their own little compartmentalised little ghettos and never integrating with other groups and trying new things.
Arrghh... yet again the islamic demon appears! And this time it's invading Alton Towers! So they won't integrate? Big deal, what do you expect them to do, go around the local pubs, wearing England tops, handing out chapatis? They've been quite literally despised since the first moment they've set foot on British soil, by the average person that can't tell a muslim from a sikh anyway, so what did you expect? So have the black people, and the Irish weren't too popular either (I should know). And now, quite obviously unworldly, people demand that they integrate into a society that has never truly excepted them anyway!
This has only made them stronger however, as it always does, and in some cities turned them into surprising entrepeneurs that have totally outpaced the "natives". They rent houses, run shops, taxi firms, and other companies while the "natives" simply sit around and moan on the dole. I can walk into a JobCentre in a primarily asian district and the vast majority of people I will see waiting there at any time of the day will not be from the muslim or wider asian community. Also I am aware of a college not far from where I grew up that is now almost totally populated with asian students. The local white teenagers are too busy hanging about outside the local off-licence drinking and smoking, or vandalising bus shelters to go into further education. This district is primarily white only a tiny fraction of asians live there. The asian students commute a long way. And this is where all the resentment comes from of course. Because they succeed without integrating, or with only integrating to a certain level, and without conforming, they are hated by a certain group of narrow minded hypocrites because they do well in life.
What is so wrong about them booking this venue and imposing these rules? Their religion is such that it is necessary or they would not be able to go there at all. Does it hurt me that they've done this? No. Alton Towers will be open to the masses the rest of the year so where's the problem?
I suppose the English style bars and nightclubs that litter Spain, the Balearics and parts of Greece should all be closed down as well? I mean that's not Greek or Spanish culture is it? If they're not closed they should only serve spanish food and drink and the staff should only speak in spanish. And if the English don't understand well that's their damned problem isn't it? Should have made more effort to integrate! ¿Qué piensas? ¿Buena idea?
Sounds like you need some reading analysis skills.
So that must be a different Rabbit that posts in support of religeous nuts who isolate themselves , hate their government , wider society and anyone that doesn't share their strange views on life .
You really must stop other people posting under your name .:dizzy2:
I guess I'll have to spell it out for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Thinking that the government was not right in laying siege to a house full of children to 'save' them does not equate to support for the thinking of the group leaders.
Similar to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" if you can understand that.
Crazed Rabbit
I wonder if the author of these words takes time to consider just how many Europeans are put off by his very presence.Quote:
Many of us including myself love theme parks but are put off by the unislamic environment
Its sad to see the once powerful European continent taken over by these disgusting "people". Hopefully Europeans will wake up and take action before it becomes..
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Many of us including myself love Europe but are put off by the unislamic environment
Another friendly muslim get together in Europe? How could that possibly not turn out good...
https://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4607/ncart086ft.jpg
What is it with people who believe that God is on their side and that they are righteous feel the need to cover their faces? Why the desire to always burn something (flag, effigy, cross) and why are the majority of their signs so inane?
I've got to get The Insane Guide to Religious Fundamentalist Rallies with Fires, Sign Writing and Dress Code.
What is it with people who can't see the difference between:
a) silly religiously-motivated protests demanding society conform to that religion
b) religious people hiring a venue for a day, banning certain things there
Isn't alternative b) an example of muslims trying to fit in? They hired the place! They didn't demonstrate outside, protesting the evil unislamic ways and demanding it be stopped! :furious3:
Its sad to see the once powerful European continent taken over by these disgusting "people".
Well thats a surprise Panzer , can you suggest a solution for these "people" .
This rubbish about the Muslims not fitting in is exactly the same crap that was written about the Jewish population in the 19/20th centuries . In fact if you read the complaints at the time about the Federation of Synagogs organised days out , festivals and celebrations , then you find it is exactly the same rubbish as is being spouted now about Muslims practically word for word .
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Since when do you imperial American isolationist "people" care for us Europeans anyway?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I think I can conclude two things:
1) Religious groups should not be allowed to rent amusement parks with their own money.
2) While it was a good idea to put this panzer-person on ignore, people keep quoting him.
I think you're on to something, Papewaio! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
As an example, here's one of our homegrown U.S. religious fundamentalists doing what they do best - making the world safe for bigots and fools.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...BC_protest.jpg
One of those lovable Phelp's family cretins, of course.
Maybe the eugenics people were right and we shouldn't allow some people to breed. I'll buy into that if we start with Fred Phelps's family.
I am European by birth, and although I disagree with the political climate of the continent, it pains me to see the conquerors become the conquered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
It will not last forever though. Soon, even the most "open-minded" true Europeans will wake up and realize their respective countries are being lost to the [people of various ethnicities and religious sects comprising the islamic faith].
Democracy works both ways. When politicians are forced to pander to a growing muslim population - women suffer, Christians suffer, economies suffer - every aspect of a nation declines in order to please a militant, backwards group of "people".
And if that isnt bad enough, what happens when the muslims have enough voting power to not only influence politics, but to change laws?
Europeans should end the muslim problem by whatever means necessary as soon as possible. Will they? Of course not. The veil of multiculturalism is far thicker than a burka... :shame:
PJ, I'm half-convinced that you're never serious. That this is all just an act to provoke a response, right? I mean, really now, this is just too cliché.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
The "muslim problem" should be ended by whatever means necessary?
Are you, by any chance, related to Eichmann or Heydrich? :inquisitive:
Your quote above is about this --><-- far from proposing a "final solution" to the muslim problem, and certainly sounds hauntingly familiar in that context. :skull:
:laugh4: I´m very sorry my friend and I apologise.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dâriûsh
Panzer, I think you got the whole idea of America wrong, if you were born in Europe and then emigrated to America, the land of milk and guns, you were supposed to leave your Nazi-views behind...:dizzy2:
Umm, he is serious, and I am afraid that one day a lot of people will agree with Panzer. All you have to do is study the history and the populaltion statistics and you'll figure out what will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenlic
At least here in the Netherlands the love is kinda gone, no (traditional) racist incidents so far but it's bound to happen at some point of the politicians keep ignoring the problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Only whites can be racist.
That is why I call it 'traditional' racist attacks, like in Belgium a few weeks ago. These caused mucho orchestrated civil unrest, because they hardly ever occur. Racist attacks where whites are victims, well a few each day. Let's check the score of the day, one girl hit with a brick and an ambulance team assaulted, but it's still early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eclectic
Not just Jews either, though they have been on the wrong end of it for the longest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Substitute Catholic for Muslim in many of these posts and you would have a good representation of the 17th to 19th century attitude of many European countries. All of the above liked to keep themselves to themsleves and have a political and religious allegiance to something other than the established power. This makes people nervous.
And of course, Irish. When I first visited the UK as a nipper in the early seventies, you could see signs on B&Bs stating: No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish; as a matter of course. Not to mention the number of times I was searched and occasionally arrested as a potential terrorist merely because of my accent.
On the other hand, some catholics and Irishmen were actively working against the interests of the state they lived in. Doesn't mean to say every last man-jack of those groups was therefore guilty.
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Originally Posted by Eclectic
That is quite clearly not so.
An obvious example is the current furor in the black community over the use of the "N" word.
Another example is the use of the word gaijin as an insult in Japan.
Ask a Kurd in Turkey about racism.
Ethnic Cantonese in North America have a term for those who become too Westernized. Look it up.
Arabs have several derogatory, racist words for Persians and vice versa. The same for Tamils and Sinhalese. As a matter of fact, the Tamils seem to have a pejorative term for just about everyone who isn't Tamil.
There's even an occurence of a derogatory term for outsider races in a late Vedic text, from around 500 BCE.
The list goes on an on.
So, white racism is nothing special, Eclectic! Looks like you'll have to find some other way to feel superior. :grin:
Of course this only worked one way. I guess that incident of having a brick thrown at my head in Dublin because of my accent didn't happen.Quote:
And of course, Irish. When I first visited the UK as a nipper in the early seventies, you could see signs on B&Bs stating: No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish; as a matter of course. Not to mention the number of times I was searched and occasionally arrested as a potential terrorist merely because of my accent.
I was pretending to be an American Liberal. In America, if you are black and Republican then you are labeled "Uncle Tom" or a "Good Slave".Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenlic
American liberals are some of the most racist people you will ever meet. Modern day Republicans see equality. Democrats see power through division. It is in the political interests of the Democratic party to keep minorities disenfrachised. Would anybody listen to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson if they didn't promote the illusion of race division?
It is in a business owner's best interest to hire and train the brightest and most fully qualified. Hiring an individual based on race, any race, makes the business less competitive in this ruthless global economy. Talent. Ability. Tenacity. Integrity. Merit-based employment is a cornerstone of a healthy and competitive business sector.
I understand the logic behind reverse discrimantion and affirmative action. It's to give those who were born with nothing a fighting chance against those who were bron with everything. Take me for example. I was in poverty with no skills. At one point, I didn't even have a high school diploma. Now I finish my MBA next spring. Should I get advantage based on the color of my skin?
Anybody with vision, talent, and commitment can make a better life for themself in America. Skin color is moot to me. Racism, be it hate inspired or charity inspired, is a disease that can only be eradicated by eliminating the differences we create as a society.
Very eloquently put, and I agreeQuote:
Anybody with vision, talent, and commitment can make a better life for themself in America. Skin color is moot to me. Racism, be it hate inspired or charity inspired, is a disease that can only be eradicated by eliminating the differences we create as a society.
:bow:
I don't see how this whole sub-discussion has anything to do with people renting off amusement parks though :inquisitive:
If the anti-party here had argued on the basis that it seems they're segregating genders on this day, or proved that non-muslims can't enter, they'd have a point.
All I see now is the expression of the old "first our theme parks, then sharia law!!!" sentiment from the usual suspects.
I'm not saying it didn't. The blow clearly increased your sensitivity :wink:. Yes, there are still idiot people in the Republic who have a chip over old scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
My point was that today's bogey cultures are tomorrow's theme pubs. In the meantime, we should stop demonising groups of people who want to be different because of some bad apples.
You miss the point, as I said it's not about them hiring a theme park, but about the socalled social exclusion that is in reality voluntary isolation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Not so ... I see no problem with a group of people doing whatever their culture instructs them to do, as long as they obey the laws. So, perhaps they wish to have fun without some of the excesses of western capitalism ... and? Even I am put off by the stuff sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
There's a muslim community in my home town ... they hold their rites, do what their culture demands of them, and every last one of them was born in my country. They are not causing the least of trouble, despite being some 10 meters from a school.
It is difficult to compare ... but would you not keep your little ways if you move to another culture? Like, say, eating pork ... trating women as equals (this is for example, not debate), or such?
I might be wrong here, but wouldn't something rather important be missing from a Sharia pub? Pork scratchings, I mean.Quote:
My point was that today's bogey cultures are tomorrow's theme pubs.
Although PAST bogey cultures are todays theme pubs, there is no particular reason to suppose that will happen again. It might or it might not. Past performance is no guarantee etc etc.
And even if it does, that is not to deny the pains of the process. There's not too much huguenot-english violence down in Kent any more, but that would be little consolation to anyone beaten up at the time.
And look: they were benefit scrounging asylum seekers ! I see the government was cutting off their benefits as well. Truly there is nothing new under the sun.
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23-25 June 1709 Whereas it has been observ’d, and great offence taken at several of the poor Palatines begging about streets; notwithstanding the care that has been taken by the Government, and a great many private charities, to feed and lodge the said Palatines, to the end that they might not become burdensome to the country: These are to give notice, and earnestly to recommend to all Constables and Headboroughs, and other Parish-Officers, to stop and apprehend all such idle Palatines as they find begging from door to door, and to carry them before the next magistrate, to be dealt with according to law; or to take their names, and give notice thereof to the Reverend Mr. Tribbeko, at the Golden-Angel near Somerset-House, or Mr. Ruperti, Minister of the Lutheran Congregation, in the Savoy; to the end that their allowance from the Government may be stop’d.
Muslims are allowed to hold on to their culture if that is what they want, I have little problem with that. But, muslims happen to cause a lot of trouble, and the utopian crowd likes to shove that on these strange phenomenoms called social exclusion/language barriers/solar flares that supposedly makes it very hard for them not to rob grannies. I am sick of getting the blame for a deliberate refusal to fit in, and all the taxpayers money that is pumped into trying to emancipate this crowd. It's not our fault, we tried, so the muslims really need to [...] and stop demanding and start deserving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keba
haha, it sucks doesn't it? that's got to be a vB setting the admins can fix..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dâriûsh
edit: though, when people are calling for real-life genocide (barely disguised as it may be) on a public game forum.. vB settings may not be the first action that comes to an admin's attention.
And where do you get that presumptuous load of BS from? Instead of throwing ignorant accusations at people, why don't we try debating this properly?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
this thread is about people of a certain religion hiring a ******* amusement park for a day. an amusement park! seriously, what is to debate? rediculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
this idea, as Kraz puts it, of "first our theme parks, then sharia law!!!" (and despite any effort to claim otherwise, that's all it is) doesn't deserve much more than a "presumptuous load of BS".
Jag, the muslim friends I have are all moderates. They fit in with society. If we go out, they don't drink and to be honest that's the most noticable difference (not great as I am a moderate drinker).
I know how you love decrying anyone stopping groups doing what they want (except the conservative and Imperail threads) but to state that all against this have no muslim friends merely shows that you're loosing your grip on reality.
Try to be a bit less of a self richeous bigot, eh? :2thumbsup:
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Your words, not mine. :shrug:Quote:
Your quote above is about this --><-- far from proposing a "final solution" to the muslim problem, and certainly sounds hauntingly familiar in that context.
Sorry but this will be a bit long OT:
He will not be able to say much since he will probably earning his money..somehow..Quote:
Ask a Kurd in Turkey about racism.
I do add : Why is it racism when it is a Turkish nationalism but not racism when it is a Kurdish nationalism ?
Roj TV openly provoked all the incident through the burial ceremonies of terrorist killed. Kurdish majors, their political party can openly suggest Abdullah Öcalan's release -who is accepted as a terrorist organization leader worldwide.
They can be the president, they can be the parliamenter, they can be famous, they can sing, they live, they earn, they mob, they beat, they attack, they rape, they make noise in the middle of the night, they disturb while I'm walking around with my girlfriend, they create hoods where even policemen can not enter, they sell drugs, they own most of the brothels, they exist in every dirty job in this country and they still talk about racism. Foreigners still talk about racism. They ask for more.
Whole western Turkey is not the place it was it was 10 years ago. And people still can find the courage to talk about what they see in websites. Because Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and whomever this country is claimed to have a problem with are all people like Smurfs living a happy community in the very deep of a peaceful forest, but Turks were all like the Burning Legion rushed and razed, right?
I'm happy to welcome any of you to take you to places where only Kurds live. I can not guarantee the survival but it will at least garnt you a lifetime experience and point of view.
P.S. A Swiss couple had decided to camp around Van -where is mostly Kurdish now. I'm damn sure that they were looking to prove out something about Kurds. Well 5 thugs tied the man to a tree and raped the woman. I think they now hate "Turks".
While it was a good idea to put this panzer-person on ignore, people keep quoting him.
That is because one "good" quote from Panzer can illustrate exactly what is wrong with some of the views being put forward .
Thanks Panzer :2thumbsup:
People like you cause a lot of trouble as well, don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
As GoreBag said, things like this happen every single day. There are laws and there's culture. You have to accept laws, but you can live in whatever form of culture you like. If I go to a party where everyone wears black, Victorian cloths, latex, chrome and leather then that's not because I want social exclusion but because I like it that way.
I think this is actually a very important topic because it illustative.
We have two issues here:
1) This group of Muslims feel uncomfortable at themeparks and are put off by the "Unislamic" environment.
What I said before is that a large themepark which attracts people from all over the world should always make Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Jedi Christians welcome and they should provide for their culinary requirements the same as they provide a vegetarian option.
2) Conversly
The complaint of an "Unislamic" environment is frankly insulting, England is England, it isn't Islamic, its Germanic if anything and to be honest I like it that way, just as the Welsh like their land Celtic. The comment implies a lack of willingness to integrate.
If they believe their culture is superior then not wanting to change it is fine, I feel the same way about my culture. The fact is that England is my culture and if they don't want to partake of that culture than why do they want to live here? The NHS?
Thats the problem.
As to the previous bustups between cultures and religions, Tribesman, are the Christians still complaining about Sunday football? If the Jews want their own semetary for their own religion what is wrong with that? Religion has its place and it is very important to many people.
As to knowing any Muslims, I knew one, he was in my Law class, he seemed alright to me, I think he was uncomfortable surrounded by Anglo Saxons, to be honest, and I don't blame him. Aside from him there aren't many Muslims in my part of the country and those there are keep to themselves and since they don't go to pubs or our local "Pagan" festivals I don't have many oppertunities to meet them.
(Rough calculations indicate that Muslims make up 2.5% of our population, this makes the large Muslim communities in some cities all the more significant.)
So hold on these muslims have problems about how the theme park is run and some of the food and rides? So wouldnt it be logical for them to pack up and go back home, because i mean its pritty sad trying to enforece their silly rules and believes on the people already living here who enjoy the park.
If they ( Muslims ) dont like the country they have immigrated to, then why the hell stay here and make a fuss, surely they should just go find somewhere else as far as possible from here and me.
They bulk booked the entire park, and then helped provide their own halal food.
Do you complain when a Hindu refuses to eat a hamburger?
I didn't say it wasn't racism, LeftEyeNine. You should know better. I was making a point about racism not just being an all-white thing, as Eclectic seemed to suggest (although he corrected me on that misconception). If I must list all cases of racism to avoid leaving anyone out, when listing any at all, then we'd be here all night while I compile the list. Bad idea. :smile:Quote:
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