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I would like to know which catholic factions you guys can't wait to play, in other words... What is your favourite catholic faction?Explain why.
I myself voted for England,just because you are then in the 'corner' of the world,so a pretty much safe area to start your expansion.
Out of that lot, probably Hungary. Out of choice, none of them, sorry
......Orda
I think everyone who voted for some other faction besides Scotland simply clicked on the wrong button :laugh4:
If the HRE strategic situation is like MTW, I will prefer them. I like it when you are on the defensive from the AI.
Spain in M:TW was simply perfect. I hope in M:TW2 too. They had a great starting position, easily to defend as soon as the almohads are kicked out, and quiet wealthy, very varied neighbours to fight, a good troop selection (loved the lancers) and now even an excellent acces to america.
England is perfect for me ! :laugh4:
France
In MTW they seemed to have the most assignments in the Middle East when playing GA. I also choose France because God Wills It:charge:
I'd say England. They were dirt-poor, but they had the best position to start conquering the world. And they kicked some serious french butt too. :)
Now, since Scotland is in-game, England just got a bit more "thougher to play". :)
none really, i can't wait to play with the russians ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoetje
has to be EnglandQuote:
Originally Posted by hoetje
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Definitly Scotland, ive wanted to play them forever, and i never was able to get VI before we left the US...
The Holy Roman Empire, surrounded by enemies, prone to civil wars, but lots of potential for greatness.
Plz explain why :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Orda Khan
Plz explain why :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tamur
i think england will be fun to play because i am english (that's my only reason so far) but i actually wanna try out the HRE cos they are sort of in the center of europe and will be fun to try to spread out in all directions
Scotti. For a few reesons: Wanted the Irish, got the Scots. The Scots will be in a corner. They will be fighting an uphill battle too. Last, I am eeger to see how different their culture is from the other factions.
I couldn't decide between English or Scottish, so I just went with the English. I'm American, but I tought I'd pay tribute to my heritage.
Holy Roman Empire for me.
Scotland: make alliances with the french, crush the english, have a stable island homeland to launch assaults anywhere i please. It couldnt get better...
Note to self: Make sure I actually *read* the first post before voting.... (I was still in MTW mode in my head, so I voted for the Spanish.) :gah2:
In Medieval 2, however, I'd say I'm most looking forward to playing the Scots, with the Danes and English right behind them.
Of course, that's only the Catholic factions. When factoring in the Muslim and Orthodox factions, my list would probably look like this:
1) Scots
2) Danes
3) Egyptians
4) Byzantines
5) English
I know my friends that play TW are all looking forward to playing as the Scot as well. I'm afraid we were all ruined by Braveheart. ~:rolleyes:
Actually , I am quite surprised seeing the scots in second position (poll)
Then,why are they so great? What will there units be like?Plz explain :help:
I like Hungary because they had more light cavalry than any other Catholic faction in Medieval 1, including horse archers, making them really unique and more versatile in some ways. They're in a good position to increase they're holdings, as well, being bordered by a couple rebel provinces and another small faction (Poland) who usually makes for a fun and balanced war early on. Once you've secured most of east-central Europe from the Baltic to the Adriatic, you're in a good position to start chipping away at either of two much larger factions (Holy Romans or Byzantines) who are usually already at war with multiple factions.
Not an extremely challenging set-up, to me its great fun for your first campaign to get the hang on the game. So that's probably who I'll be playing first.
Milan is probably the first catholic faction I'm going to play. HRE is a close runner up.
No idea what their units will be like, but who else will get the chance before a battle to hear the commander say, "It's fine Scottish weather we're having. The rain is falling straight down and kind of to the side like." (Braveheart quote, apologies in advance)Quote:
Actually , I am quite surprised seeing the scots in second position (poll) Then,why are they so great? What will there units be like?
Even though I'm English, I actually find the MTW English a little dull,
Still, I'll probably take English, because the Medieval English accent is the most awesome of them all.
Portugal for sure, because they were the first Catholic nation to sail to deep African seas reaching the indies.
i voted for sicily just because they are often overlooked. of all the powers you can play, they are the only one that i think has completely disappeared and blended into the countryside. that is, you can not go to italy and hear the norman tongue.
the norman sicilians are in a great physical location for crusading. they can also fall back to defensive position and build a fleet if they want. they can turtle and compete with venice for the money game.
Well, surprisingly enough, if you go to Normandie you have some chances of hearing it hehQuote:
i voted for sicily just because they are often overlooked. of all the powers you can play, they are the only one that i think has completely disappeared and blended into the countryside. that is, you can not go to italy and hear the norman tongue.
OTOH, if you go to Sicily you can hear sicilianu and some dialects that are vanishing really fast. Normans were simply the ruling elite, a small minority at best.
I agree though that the kingdom of Sicily under the rule of the Normans was one of the most fascinating periods in medieval history.
Denmark, becuase they have some viking elements in their military, although its fading fast, but it'd be awesome for early games. Also totally trumping empires 10 times your size, always satisfying.
England :2thumbsup:
This will enable me to reinact the 100 years war with france, as well as creating a few of the battles with scotland.
The time scale will also allow for the war of the roses battles to be created as historic battles. Cant wait to get my teeth into these :book:
I have a question.
Shouldn't the English have the highest acumen?
I mean England was the only Medieval Country where Knights simply learned to lead large forces of lower class soldiers effectively instead of charge for glory, where the Knights worked very closely with Merchants, Jewish Bankers, instead of despising them, and not to mention the effective courts set up by Henry II to police the country, and the extrodinary record keeping done by William the Conqueror.
Another question
As Danes you will be allowed to continue to train vikings after they become "obsolete" again right?
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Originally Posted by Tamur
I would have to go with any Italian faction... why? because they would be REALLY hard to play as... lots of factions, lots of wars.. then sometime in the rennaisance invasion by the vastness of the French army.. oh yeah, not to mention interference by the pope, the Holy Roman Empire and Spain... did i mention tercios?
English
use their longbowmem to shoot up french's knight pants and Scot's skirts
Think will get easier if u take out the french:book:
When playing as English,I'm going to secure my base at france (caen) by placing a lot of troops there,just in case he french attack.Meanwhile,I'm going to attack the scottisch and eliminate them to secure the back.Then,turning back to the french,I'm going to push them all the way to the south until i eliminated them too.Then,I'll see:P
i voted spanish despite my scottish roots because i really liked them in mtw and having been there i like the setting and the whole reconquista thing. also the scots were fairly small and only won a few battles... whereas the spanish became the dominant power in europe for quite a while in the period that interests me.
I was going to say Hungarians. Then noticed the new unit profile on Strzelcy has them armed with crossbows. :no:
It appears that the English are quite the popular catholic faction, but I wonder if they are going to be the most played faction initially because I think the Byzantines are super popular. Anyway I'm still deciding between English, Scottish, and the Byz.
Why would byzantium be superpopular?
1.) Historical reasons--a certain romanticism is often associated with the Eastern Roman Empire. One thing to remember is that Byzantium was the dominant Christian power in the early Medieval period. The Emperor's influence was at least as great as the Pope's, if not more. The Empire was also situated in the middle of everything: To the west was Catholic Europe; to the east and north were the pagan barbarians of the steppes; to the south and southeast was the Islamic Caliphate. Byzantium was a place of great intrigue, ruled by men both wise and foolish, both pious and impious. It was a place of enormous wealth, and was also home to some of the holiest places in Christiandom.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoetje
2.) Gameplay reasons--in MTW, the Byzantines were a blast to play! Being in the middle of everything, you were faced with many challenges and opportunities. With the Byzantines, there was no one good way to win--you could employ multiple strategies when playing as the Empire. In addition, they had one of the most interesting and varied unit rosters in the game, including the Kataphractoi, Trebizond Archers, and the Varangian Guard.
Personally for me, I loved their units (cataphracts, varangian gaurd, trebizond archers, ect) their ruling family (in the original MTW) and their starting position (by far the richest faction to start with on early). I just know from reading message boards throughout the past couple years, I would put them as the most popular faction. They were always one of my favorites.
Sorry about getting off topic though....
Accidentally posted that twice
Danes, baby! Viking Renaissance here I come. :2thumbsup:
OK,i see the point,but how did those units (kataphraktoi etc) look like? I voted for England,but I can still make up my mind :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Game hasn't been released yet, can't say. Until then.... Spain (provisional).
Well I voted for England, but what's wrong with being biased towards your fellow countrymen. I suspect England will be one of the starting 5 factions, as it gives CA a good opportunity to show off the 'new feature' of the Longbow men's stakes for new comers and reviewers. But I'll admit, the Scottish interest me as well. They're probably one of the minor catholic factions in the game, so they're up against it from the off, but if they secure the British isles, they have a great base for expansion. Plus the irony of them needing an Englishman to lead them to victory! I wonder however, how many of these Catholic factions will be able to crusade - hopefully all of them this time.
If the Spanish have their heavy lancers again, I'll be very interested in playing as them as well. They'll also probably be fighting the muslims before the other Catholic factions so that adds some extra flavour to picking them.
Venice will be challenging, with the papal states and the HRE nearby expansion may well have to take place by sea,to distant provinces which I enjoy - it makes it harder to get quick reinforcements when I mess up. Plus you can rake in cash through trade.
In general, all the factions that start with one province, and are stuck next to other catholics should be fun - the Papacy will make it hard for me to fight other catholics, so expansion should be tricky.
Take a warhorse, then cover it almost completely with heavy armor; the rider is similarly heavily-armored. The result is a unit that's very slow (at least compared to other cavalry), but very powerful and hard to kill. Because of their heavy armor, Kataphractoi were often affectionately referred to in MTW as "Kata-tanks", or simply "Katanks". ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoetje
Contrary to popular belief, eventually the Kataphractoi were phased out when wily enemies of the Byzantines deployed giant magnets on the battlefield. These ingenius devices pulled the armoured horse helplessly towards the awaiting ranks of spearmen, and much slaughter ensued. One annoyed Byzantine emperor, after seeing his entire Kataphractoi force wiped out by this tactic, was so incensed by the thought of losing his elite cavalry in the same manner again, that for the next battle, he equipped his Kataphracts with paper armour instead. This had the desired effect of neutralising the menace of the giant magnets, but sadly the paper armour provided no such protection from swords and sharp pointy objects, and hence the Kataphracts died once more. Unsurprisingly, the Byzantine Empire fell shortly after that.
England because... I'm English.
LOL, professorspatula, thanks for the history lesson. :laugh4:
I bet the ever-popular flaming arrows were devastating against these, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by professorspatula
Ty martok :shakehands: But how did the varangian guard look?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
I'm on somewhat shakier ground here, as my knowledge of them is less extensive than the Kats (not that I'm expert on them either). The Varangians were the Emperor's personal guard, and were big men of mostly Nordic/Viking descent. They supposedly wielded two-handed greataxes, and bore large shields as well. Others here can fill you in way better than I can, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoetje
I'm can't wait to play the English and fight the Scottish and French :2thumbsup:
Thx mate ;). It looks like the byzantine empire will have cool units indeed :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Scottland would be a good challenge. First, they have to defeat a powerful neigboor if they're willing to survive. Unification of Britain should be primary objective of both rival factions.
Also French promises a harsh challenge. They're just stuck in the middle of mighty and eager foes such as England, Spain and HRE. Only a military genius or cunny ruler would be successful about stabilizing the fronts.
France because I want to kick the English out of France.
Vive la France.:2thumbsup: