Mexican Flag raised over US Post Office

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/176008.php

Yes, an Mexican flag has been raised over a post office in southern California where the police office has been disbanded, traffic alowed to flow past with illegals without liscense at the wheel. God I love this country.

disgusting

It's your own fault for throwing us out. :laugh4:

Oh yay, the UK is having no trouble with immigrants. :inquisitive:

You're right, this is disgusting.

Disgusting that the criminal loving city council stopped enforcing the law because they were catching criminals, and supremely disgusting that the US flag was taken down and a Mexican flag put up, and that the PO workers and Police did nothing.

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

Crazed Rabbit

What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

They have moved back , to old mexico .:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

They have moved back , to old mexico .:juggle2:

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You have infuriated me greatly:furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: We fought and died for this land they lost it to us. Its our not theres

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .

If the illegals love Mexico so much, why don't they move back?

They have moved back , to old mexico .:juggle2:

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They can't move back if they, nor their ancestors, ever lived there. :laugh4:

Should we call Ireland "Old England"? It makes as much sense as calling SW America 'old mexico'.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

and that the PO workers and Police did nothing.

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Originally Posted by the article

Police tried to pull the Mexican flag down but the ropes got stuck and it still flies at this time.

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It is such a short newspost that you could have taken the time to read it...~;)

So...

When are we gonna wrap ourselves in (Made in China) star-something flags and declare war?

Surely the glorious Republic of Calexico cannot stand against this most humiliating offense?

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So the fight is over the particular dye combination and pattern thereof on cloth all of which is made in China.

Since some state that Iran made missiles used by Hezbollah makes the Iranians the responsible party, by that logic this is all Chinas fault for making the cloths that are causing issues.

No this is about an honest effort to take back the American SW. The flag by itself means nothing but what it represents is disgusting and repugnent.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

You are heavily oversimplifying the situation. My god I can't even put into words how much this infuriates me. The military should be sent into that city to restore order, toss out the illegals, and re-instate a government willing to uphold the simple fact that it is part of the law-abiding United States of America.

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Don't forget to throw them to the old camps in Death Valley! You know, the old concentration camps...

Or was that the Mojave desert?

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I'm glad you guys are willing to implement a Most Necessary (tm) Final Solution to the immigration problem.

You may want to review how the Brits lost control of the US.

A large part of that was using military force to break up civil unrest.

Over-reacting is just as bad as under-reacting.

Why not start at the beginning, local then country then state then federal... cops and immigration.

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

You may want to review how the Brits lost control of the US.

A large part of that was using military force to break up civil unrest.

Over-reacting is just as bad as under-reacting.

Why not start at the beginning, local then country then state then federal... cops and immigration.

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And you may want to review how the US won the civil war.... or the Whisky Rebellion even. :wink:

You can't make blanket generalizations on the effects of using force based on one such example. Now certainly, I havent seen enough evidence to suggest that what we have here is full-blown insurrection, but some people sure as heck should be brought up on charges. I know if I stormed into my local post office and put up a foreign flag Id certainly spend some time in jail- and likely be brought up on federal charges. :yes:

As a side note, clearly these protesters didnt get the memo that went out months ago about not using the Mexican flag during demonstrations. They're supposed to be waving American flags everywhere now...

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You can't make blanket generalizations on the effects of using force based on one such example.

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You can't, but if it is any help the last time the UK used military force because a "foreign" flag was flying over a post office, although, eventually the flag was removed, it did lead to the loss of territory a few years later.

I prefer Seamus Heaney's father's advice on watching a Nationalist parade: "Don't get involved in that son. You can't eat a flag."

Edit: Actually it was John Hume's father.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

How'd you brits (You're a brit, right?)

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I'm not. ~:)

I have a peculiar situation as a first-generation legal immigrant (fewer than illegals nowadays, it seems) to the United States, and the fortune of living in the ultimate expression of capitalism, Las Vegas.

It's a terrible city. :2thumbsup:

Now, seriously, you are advocating total violence in a situation that is potentially explosive, where that total violence would be the ideal catalyst for the explosion.

Right now it's just yet another protest for yet another day. No need to turn it into a Chinese-made flag-waving contest. Besides, the National movement (whatever it tries to do) has already taken a compromising stance to reduce the Mexican flag-waving thing so not to offend the Patriots. Now, imagine the indignation if one use heavy force unjustifiably against an isolated incident...

If it is meant to offend then it must be an offence. Or worse. Seems like america like it is just isn't enough for them, so americans should accept them, and also accept that they aren't accepted themselves, sounds familiar. Bad guests should be kicked out of the house, if they want to provoke test to what extent they really want you to be provoked.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

I think bringing the entire illegal alien situation to a violent end might not be such a bad idea. It's going to culminate in violence, whether it be racial tension, class tension, or (far more preferably) a controlled situation based on a valid pretext such as we have here.

The best case scenario for solving the problem of illegals would obviously be a non-violent solution that led to prosperity and happiness for everyone. Perfectly plausible, right? Nah.

We have two likely end-games: The usual MLK-esque March of Liberalism that ends with a cowardly government caving to the demands of the offending group (this is not to dig on MLK, though, as his cause was justified where this one is most certainly not).

OR

A violent and riotous culmination that ends with the cowardly government caving in, or people seeing that illegals are not worth the trouble and letting the problem get solved the right way: A really big wall, with lots of guns sticking off the top.

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Ah, the old Rivers of Blood speech. Age shall not wither it, nor the years condemn.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

For those who might not get the reference, try googling Enoch Powell. :bow:

Something of an oxymoron: "valid pretext"

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Originally Posted by Duke of Gloucester

You can't, but if it is any help the last time the UK used military force because a "foreign" flag was flying over a post office, although, eventually the flag was removed, it did lead to the loss of territory a few years later.

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I reckon it was the Irish. As you note, we've got form with Post Offices, not to mention uncontrolled immigration and if you wash the Mexican flag until it fades a bit and then hang it up the wrong way, it's easy to mistake it for a tricolour.

We took Boston a long time ago and have been turtling, now its time for a land-grab.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Foreign flags are being raised over federal property. How'd you brits (You're a brit, right?) like it if the Irish flag or the French flag was raised over Buckingham palace? Seeing the Mexican Flag over an extension of the US Government is just as significant.

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Typical overexaggeration from you. You're implying that this Post Office has a similar level of importance to the average American (how many even knew it existed before this incident) that Buckingham Palace has to the average Brit.

It probably has a similar level of importance to the average American that a random post office somewhere in Cornwall has to the average Englishman. If the flag was flying over the White House then your comparison might be fair.

That's not to say that you can't be offended by a non US flag flying over a piece of federal property, but that doesn't excuse your ridiculousy over exaggerated comparison.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

That kind of indifference is why this nation is going down the tubes. But seeing as how you're australian, I am relieved to see I'm not hearing it from a fellow American.

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It's not indifference, it's understanding how to make an accurate comparison. As stated, I can understand how it is offensive. In similar circumstances I wouldn't be happy myself. However, that doesn't mean I make baseless comparisons in an attempt to prove my point. Be as outraged as you want, but don't argue on blind rhetoric alone, argue on logic.

I apologise in advance for this, but the BBC have this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Latino suburb welcomes illegals
By James Coomarasamy
BBC News, Maywood, California

Immigrant woman working in a field
Much of California's manual work is carried out by immigrants
Driving around Maywood there is little to distinguish this small Los Angeles suburb from any other predominantly Hispanic area.

Maywood is 97% Latino. You can hear the Spanish tones on every street and on every radio station.

Familiar strip malls are peppered with signs such as Clinica Latina, Pescaderia and Agua.

But Maywood is a trend setter. In the midst of an intense national debate about immigration the city council has officially declared Maywood a safe haven for illegal immigrants.

At a weekly immigrants' support group meeting there is a sense of purpose in the air.

It is chaired by the driving force behind the controversial decision, Maywood's deputy mayor Felipe Aguirre.

"We don't think that people are breaking the law if they simply don't have documents, so we decided to turn this place into a sanctuary city," he said.

Police accused

Not everyone in Maywood is pleased, but at the Saint Rose of Lima church they seem to be singing with one voice - in favour of the council's decision.


We don't think that people are breaking the law if they simply don't have documents
Felipe Aguirre
Deputy Mayor of Maywood
The congregation is strongly backing the move, which is seen less as a statement about national immigration reform than an answer to the local police setting up check points and impounding cars belonging to the many local people without documents.

"I used to see women having to walk home with tiny children," explained Rosa Pecheko.

"The police said they were stopping people to check for drunk drivers, but that's not what they were really doing. They were just taking away the cars from those without driving licenses and taking money from them."

When he is not preaching to his flock, Pastor David Velasquez is speaking in revolutionary tones.

"The people felt that they were being persecuted, but now they have the power over the police. They can't tell us what to do."

At the local police station, Lieutenant Pine agreed to share his concerns about enforcing the law in a city that has declared itself above it.

"We need clarity. We don't know what's going on," he said.

He denied that the police checkpoints were an attempt to make money from illegal immigrants: "At those checkpoints we caught a lot of people breaking the law. We found drunks, felons - we even found one man who had just murdered his wife and still had blood on his hands and the knife in his car."

Wider debate

If the police are confused, many Californians are angry.

On the John and Ken show on local Los Angeles radio station KFI 640 Maywood's mayor was angrily accused of turning his city into a magnet for illegal immigrants.

Felipe Aguirre says he has had threatening phone messages and other council members have received physical threats. But he remains defiant.

"We don't consider these immigration laws to be just. It's not right that if I'm talking to someone who doesn't have the correct papers, I could be considered a felon. No, we answer to a higher law."

And other communities are beginning to follow Maywood's lead.

It is not clear whether this stance will help the cause of illegal immigrants.

But what it does make plain is just how polarised - and passionate - the debate about them has become in the US.

As you can see, it seems that infact Mayor of Maywood is encouragiing patriotism of Mexico to the Latino people?

"My mother always told me that violence doesn't solve anything. "

"Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that. "

"They wouldn't say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed. "

"Correct. Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst."

Interesting ... so, the first solution of the Yanks is to send in the army, rather than even attempt to reason with the offenders?

No wonder things aren't peachy for you. :no:

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

There is plenty of logic in my statements.

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There may be some logic, but comparing some random post office that nobody has ever heard of to Buckingham palace is not logical, smacks of overexageration and weakens your argument. :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Keba

Interesting ... so, the first solution of the Yanks is to send in the army, rather than even attempt to reason with the offenders?

No wonder things aren't peachy for you. :no:

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Since all those flags are made in China, another solution might be bombing the Chinese... :juggle2:

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Since all those flags are made in China, another solution might be bombing the Chinese... :juggle2:

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You won't do that ... the Chinese can bomb back.:laugh4:

That's the third solution off course. The US bombing themselves...

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

That you are just making attacks on my methods instead of responding to the meat of my posts does not speak well for whatever argument you're trying to espouse, either. Crap or get off the pot.

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I personally have no opinion in this argument, I'm simply playing the devil's advocate. I argue in favour of forum quality which you appear to be doing your level best to degrade by using substandard debating techniques.

Promote Quality, Discourage Crap.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Pardon me if my "technique" is not up to your standards. If you feel so strongly that my methods are flawed, feel free to challenge me to greater heights.

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Now quit derailing the topic with this so-called "Technical Critique," unless you care to actually make a point about the issue at hand instead of my choice of words.

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I am not derailing the topic, I am directly critiquing one of your arguments. Until such time as that argument is withdrawn, the "Technical Critique" is valid as it is part of the process of refutation of a live point.

I will summarise. Your comparison of this action, to a foreign flag being flown over Buckingham Palace implies that this post office, has the same value to the average American, as Buckingham Palace does to the average Englishman. While I have no proof (and I suspect you have no counter-proof) of this, it intuitively makes more sense that there is not parity in value placed upon these structures, than your implication, as such I claim that your argument ("Seeing the Mexican Flag over an extension of the US Government is just as significant."), which is contingent upon the above point is invalid.

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"My mother always told me that violence doesn't solve anything. "

"Really? I wonder what the city founders of Hiroshima would have to say about that. "

"They wouldn't say anything. Hiroshima was destroyed. "

"Correct. Violence has resolved more conflicts than anything else. The contrary opinion that violence doesn't solve anything is merely wishful thinking at its worst."

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STARSHIP TROOPERS

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Now quit derailing the topic with this so-called "Technical Critique," unless you care to actually make a point about the issue at hand instead of my choice of words.

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Criticism about the choice of words seems absolutely valid here when an overdramatization of the situation (i.e. by comparing a post office to the Buckingham Palace) is used as justification for violent actions.

A lot of people would probably agree that raising a foreign flag on the Buckingham Palace or the White House would justify a harsher reaction than raising such a flag on a post office.

Cube-dude: Comparing a lowly post office to Buck House is an egregious exaggeration, thereby implying your advocacy of a violent "solution" is equally likely to be an over-reaction. The medium is the message. You do your case no good by flying into hyperbole.

Now a French flag over my local post office would probably make me chuckle quietly. Seeing Colonel Blimp huffing and puffing about it and waving his shotgun around the high street would have me pissing my pants laughing.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Now we have moderators derailing the topic, too? Fine, I guess I'll play ball and defend my choice of words. Nevermind that that sentance was quite possibly one of the least signficant points i've made in this thread. Might the fact that most of my other points remain unanswered have something to do with this niggling sentance being an easy mark? Who knows?

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What points? You claim that violence is inevitable without providing any argument to back up this hypothesis.

By overdramatizing you try to create the impression that the South of your country is at the brink of a war and claim that nothing is being done - yet the very short article all this ruckus here is based on clearly states that the police has been intervening.

The police handling such an act of vandalism is the appropriate reaction. You seem to call for tanks and violence to avoid "inevitable" violence. Inevitable indeed, when people with a mindset as your's (i.e. regularly calling for violence and unrestricted war as a solution to problems) would have to handle the situation.

It would seem to me that the solution would be to take down the flag, then work out who put it up and fine them. If they can't pay up they go to gaol for a period of time.

Iwould suggest a $1-2,000 fine or 2-4 weeks in gaol.

If every incident was treated like this that would probably restore order.

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Originally Posted by macsen rufus

Cube-dude: Comparing a lowly post office to Buck House is an egregious exaggeration, thereby implying your advocacy of a violent "solution" is equally likely to be an over-reaction. The medium is the message. You do your case no good by flying into hyperbole.

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Good point, the two are different. For one, a post office actually serves a useful government function. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Good point, the two are different. For one, a post office actually serves a useful government function. :laugh4:

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Zing! :laugh4:

Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor Mexican flags stays these
couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

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Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor Mexican flags stays these
couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

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Originally Posted by Keba

You won't do that ... the Chinese can bomb back.:laugh4:

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As a second solution, try bombing the armament deposits too so you won't have any fight back stuff. :juggle2:

@Xiahou

Yeap, at least it does it's rightful duty. :laugh4:

They were unable to bring the flag down ? How difficult is it to bring a flag down ? Maybe they weren't trying hard enough.

Bring the flag down.

Gelcube:


I've enjoyed your argument thus far. I can tell that neither you nor Pat Buchannan want this issue to slip to the 6th or 7th spot of importance in the minds of the voters (which, sadly, it has).

Your point, setting aside all of the specifics and turning to the theme, is:

A political entity that does not or cannot enforce its sovereignty over its territory is doomed to be supplanted.

Thus, this whole incident for you is symptomatic of a larger problem.


This "sanctuary" town -- choosing not to enforce its own state's laws -- should be brought back into the fold. To allow it to continue to flout the laws of the state while still claiming to be a part of that entity is inherently dangerous for the state. It should either toe the line or secede.

How close to treason is this Mayor?
It sounds like he is turning his back on the law and giving up his city to illegals

Anyone have any additional news about this besides the original post?

Speaking of which, if you want to see how truly unhinged some of these people are- read the comment on that page where the police are accused of being Nazis/Aryan supremacists for trying to take down the flag. :no:

Anyone have any additional news about this besides the original post?
What , you mean about the story of the protest by two anti-immigrant groups in a town with lots of immigrants leading to a counter protest by the towns residents .
Nah , havn't heard anything about it .
What a bunch of pussies , if I was hispanic and living in Maywood I would have made sure there was a mexican flag on every lampost and every building for the duration of the minuteman protest .
:inquisitive: :book:
BTW Save our State was the other protesting group , and post#1 was pretty much bollox if you mean that by "original post" . Or do you mean the brief snippet from the indymedia link ?

The leftist liberals will win. There are too many of them. Natural selection has been unable to take place and waves upon waves of lazy stupid ingrates swell their ranks. The illegals will win. The socialists will win. America is being destroyed from within. Our external enemies need only to wait and they will have everything they desire.

Just go through the normal course of action.

Escalate to the next level of authourity as needed/required by law. I'm sure there are some rules for mayors flouting state/federal law such as having state funds axed. And I'm pretty sure if a large state & federal immigration office was setup in Maywood they would have easy pickings... if there are a lot of ducks at a pond one doesn't complain, one sets up a blind and goes hunting.

If someone adovates using military force on women and children because of their ethnic group...

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Oh yay, the UK is having no trouble with immigrants. :inquisitive:

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I think its easier to cross a border than the atlantic ocean

... meh. I Live in South California. I see mexicans every single day of my life... do I care that they have national pride? no... not really. I just think it's more intuitive to raise a flag on your porch that says "**** Mexico, the Arapaho spirit will live in this land forever."

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Of course the UK does have a land border. It is so easy to cross that unless you are alert you might not realise you have passed from one country to another.

Natural selection has been unable to take place and waves upon waves of lazy stupid ingrates swell their ranks.
You really shouldn't talk about the Minutemen like that Divinus .

In my mind, this just proves the point one more time that Mexicans have no desire to integrate and join with America. They are here to take as much money out of the system as they can and send it home and they don't have much loyalty or affection for their hosts. Anybody who hires illegal immigrants ought to seriously consider what else somebody who broke the law to get into the country... who's to say they won't rob or assault you when you don't want to pay them anymore? Even if they don't have the stones for it themselves, they can still make money by selling your info to La Eme, Nuestra Familia or the ominpresent MS13.

That being said, I don't know that an armed response is the answer in this case. Take note everyone... in this fall's elections, find out how your congressional delegation voted. If they voted against tightening border security, be they Republican or Democrat, vote against them and for whomever WILL actually enforce the laws of the land and defend ourselves against a wave of parasites.

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That being said, I don't know that an armed response is the answer in this case. Take note everyone... in this fall's elections, find out how your congressional delegation voted. If they voted against tightening border security, be they Republican or Democrat, vote against them and for whomever WILL actually enforce the laws of the land and defend ourselves against a wave of parasites.

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This is the correct method in dealing with the issue in a democratic society. Find out how your representives are voting and what measures they have introduced to address such issues. Be it State or Federal.

Many states have for years failed to address the enforcement of the labor laws and we are currently paying the price for that. Yes folks the enforcement of laws is not just the relm of the Federal Government but states to enforce the law. For instance for many years (to include today) there was an INS form that the new employee was to sign stating that they were authorized to work in the United States. Many Employer's would not have their employee's sign that document.

Then their is the failure of local law enforcement to follow thru on routine law enforcement. One of the Governors of the state of Oregon once announced that all state law enforcement officials would not enforce any immigrantion laws.

One wonders why such issues happen - all one has to do is look at the long history of immigrantion law non-enforcement. Cheap labor from illegal immigrants has lead to non-enforcement of the law. Which leads to non-assimalition into the new nation.

You're absolutely right. Given the current political equation, I am not surprised at all that nobody in government is willing to step up on this issue, at any level.

When you do political Calculus, it's not simply the number of potential voters impacted... it's the number of potential voters that will recognize your contribution one way or the other.... since Middle America (blue and white collar) refuse to speak on this issue, politicians rightly assume they cannot get any benefit from playing to them. What's left? For leftys, more voters and for rightys, happier corporate sponsors.

since Middle America (blue and white collar) refuse to speak on this issue,

It has been my observation that Middle America is the voice that is speaking out loudest on the issue, and they are saying they don’t like it. That is why I am so surprised that we are not doing more. It seems that most don’t like the illegals here and think that the laws should be enforced more strictly and that the boarders need to be better protected. For some reason the politicians don’t seem to be able to read this or don’t see it as smart move to oppose the Latino population and loose their vote.

It seems like if you are illegal or a supporter of illegals in the US that you are bulletproof from any prosecution for breaking the laws right in front of everyone.

Well, have YOU contacted your congressional delegation telling them that you're thinking of voting straight anti-incumbent, strictly because of his/her lack of action on this issue? To be perfectly honest, I haven't. But even if you and I do, that's 2 people. Middle America is busy going about their 50 hour workweeks, taking the kids to soccer and it would appear all they have the time to do is whine about it. I'd say collecting inputs with groups like the Minutemen certainly helps... when the Minutemen call up Arlen Specter and say that 30% of his base is in their membership rolls, he might actually start realizing there are consequences for going the wrong way.

As it stands, everybody just pisses in the wind, whining that nobody's doing anything. When you compare that to the organized movement afoot in the illegal immigrant community with groups like La Rasa, you start to understand why pols don't seem to hear the majority.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Well, have YOU contacted your congressional delegation...

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Funny you should mention it, I spoke with Scott Harvey one of my districts candidates for the senate just the other day about the very subject. He stopped by while campaigning, nice guy and aside from his opposition to apportion and his side stepping of the immigration question I like him, personable fella. But the incumbent is pro-choice and also sidesteps the immigration issue. We’ll see but at least I know the choices.

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Originally Posted by Duke of Gloucester

Of course the UK does have a land border. It is so easy to cross that unless you are alert you might not realise you have passed from one country to another.

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i think we're talking about mexican immigrants then UK immigrants

I think Crazed Rabbit was talking about immigration in general, but he can speak for himself.

Strange how certain "Libertarians" are all of a sudden for strong (maybe even oppressive) action by the Federal powers which bypasses utterly State and local powers.

Nice to see some others who are still aware of how democracy works.

Hardly. Are you or are you not arguing that the Federal government should step in, using the military and force if necessary, and essentially replace the local government? Wherefore democracy and due process? Where does this fit in with small, unintrusive government, with local self-detirmination? How can critics of heavy-handed government agencies (a la Waco) happily suggest using the army as domestic law enforcement? Welcome to a banana republic, coming to a former democracy near you!

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In the name of freedom. Strange how that works, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

There is no local government here--there is a rebellious government that is guilty, at the very least, of deciding it's own foreign policy separate from the nation's.

What this town is doing sets a precedent that could harm the economy and livelihood of millions upon millions of law-abiding freedom-loving Americans. If that's not grounds for punishment, I don't know what is.

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ah so what your saying is the local government should be appointed by a higher power instead of being democratically elected to get it inline?

And that Federal rights trump state/local rights.

I didn't know we had any strong federalists on this board. Normally hear more from people supporting state rights.

Sweet to see more points of view.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

That kind of indifference is why this nation is going down the tubes.

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What tubes? Have you seen any tubes? Where are these tubes? And where do they go? And how come there's more than one tube? It would seem to me, one country, one tube. But is every state all of a sudden have to have its own tube now? One tube is all you need. But a tube that big? Somebody would have seen it by now.

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Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

The leftist liberals will win. There are too many of them. Natural selection has been unable to take place and waves upon waves of lazy stupid ingrates swell their ranks. The illegals will win. The socialists will win. America is being destroyed from within. Our external enemies need only to wait and they will have everything they desire.

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So much drama over a ******* cloth? :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

And that Federal rights trump state/local rights.

I didn't know we had any strong federalists on this board. Normally hear more from people supporting state rights.

Sweet to see more points of view.

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Uh, state's rights don't include setting their own foreign policy. :idea2:

I'm going to use hyperbole when I encounter arguements that have the strength of 6 week old celery:

'Oh my gawd like the local sheriffs can't take a flag down on the postal office of some place like I have never heard but has as much meaning to like me as Buckingham Palace does to the Brits, which because like the flag got stuck and its like Mexican and like we are going to lose our entire way of life because like our Flag is a different colored flag to the Mexican flag both of which like are made in China. But like because like the local cops can't you know do there job because of the mayor, lets like use the entire fricking US military to do something and kill everyone whose ethnic group threatens my way of thinking, and if that isn't enough we will like umm get the Chinese to build a fricking death ray on the moon too.' :wall:

When you have local officials openly(proudly?) stating that almost 40% of the town's population is there illegally, I think it's time to start sending in some INS patrols to say the very least. :yes:

Of course... they wont. :no:

That is the path that should be taken and I would also have the Mayor audited by the IRS for just in case he has had a few undeclared campaign funds for instance... I don't think it would be legal to get funded by illegals for instance.

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Originally Posted by Earl of Sandwich

What tubes? Have you seen any tubes? Where are these tubes? And where do they go? And how come there's more than one tube? It would seem to me, one country, one tube. But is every state all of a sudden have to have its own tube now? One tube is all you need. But a tube that big? Somebody would have seen it by now.

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It's actually a series of tubes, but the country is in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into those tubes enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.