Is it better to be the right hand of the devil than in his path?

I watched the Mummy the other day and enjoyed the discussion this comment from Beni, the little imp, created.

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It is better to be the right hand of the devil than in his path.

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So, what do you think?

And don’t lie to yourself, opposing the devil would not be an easy thing.

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So, what do you think?

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I am fairly sure I would kick the devil/evil forces all over the place.

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And don’t lie to yourself, opposing the devil would not be an easy thing.

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Good, I like challanges.:2thumbsup:

Depends on what way you want Sauron to be on your back.

~;)

What are you talking about ... I would be the devil they're talking about.

Or at least, I would be after I stabbed the real devil in the back and took his place. :sweatdrop:

Hm... from a theological viewpoint, I'd rather be in the way. Essentially, the Devil can't win, and being his right hand would put you on his side.

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Originally Posted by Orb

Hm... from a theological viewpoint, I'd rather be in the way. Essentially, the Devil can't win, and being his right hand would put you on his side.

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Yeah, it's a one horse race and its not a bet you want to lose, is it.

This is what always confused me about Satanists.

If the devil existed that would give me a cause.

Give me a dollar and I'll do almost anything.

I'd oppose the devil, but frankly, I think I'd do so as diplomatically as I could, cause frankly, the :devil: scares me excrementless. I think as a good Christian, I'm called to oppose him with all my will and tell him what I really think of him, but frankly, i'm not sure I'm up to that kind of pain and suffering. Not to mention... porn is so damned hard to resist... It's a pity we can't just take the best of each party platform...

There is no devil.

And I wouldn't like to be anyones "right hand" ...

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

And I wouldn't like to be anyones "right hand" ...

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Me either sick:furious3:

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

There is no devil.

And I wouldn't like to be anyones "right hand" ...

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Originally Posted by Baudelaire

And the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing makind that he doesn't exist.

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I'm a rational man. I make my living by employing rules of science, as they apply to electrons and the potential energies they carry across bandgaps in silicon. I'm no babbling peasant, and I believe the devil is much more real than any of us think. And I think he's quite happy that most of us choose to believe he's a myth.

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Originally Posted by Marlowe

FAUSTUS: Tell me, where is this place called Hell?

MEPHISTOPHILIS: Under the heavens.

FAUSTUS: Ay, so are all things; but whereabouts?

MEPHISTOPHILIS: Hell hath no limits nor is circumscrib'd in one self place, but where we are is Hell. And where Hell is there must we ever be.

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Or at least that's what some playwright said. It's vaguely relevant to where this thread is going ...

It is difficult to say, I don't think of the devil as a who, but more of a what.

And if you look at it that way, I actively oppose the Devil every single day of my life.

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Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall

Yeah, it's a one horse race and its not a bet you want to lose, is it.

This is what always confused me about Satanists.

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The thing is, God allows the devil and hell to exist, at least that's what they want you to believe, so he can't be pure evil in the way he's usually portraited, or alternatively, God really ain't all that good.

As for joining or opposing, I'm undecided, depends on what he's offering :help:

Well if you consider hell to be a complete and total absence of God, I'm pretty sure we're all already in hell.

i would be in his path, simply because satan is weak, in the bible it says he can't act unless god wills it, he lost the war for heaven he has'nt been succesful as far as we know in attempting to destroy the world and he can't hurt people directly.

quite frankly i would be more afraid of his followers. tho if given the chance to do all the havoc and destruction and murder of wicked at the apocolypse i would be on his side cause that would just be fun.

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Where I am at, and how I have been raised, I would tell him to eat shit. I'm on God's side and I would be saved by the big man upstairs.

The Devil's greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he didn't exist.

I'm with IA on this.

CR

There is no Devil. Only the other Gods, struggling against our God; and the forces of decay and anti-freedom.

Does that answer your question?

The Devil does exist. He is the embodiement of pure evil with whom God has been battling throughout the ages and they will continue fighting each other until Armageddon.

Of course, another great trick of the devil was the second world war. Firstly you get one of the most evil people ever born climbing to the top, and while he is defeated, it's still a victory for the devil. I can think of many people who's reason for not believing in God is that "How could God have let the second world war happen".

Have you played DOOM3? man, giveme like five years of uber-commando training and a shotgun with an almost unlimited supply of amo, and ill knock'em for six!

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Originally Posted by Orb

Hm... from a theological viewpoint, I'd rather be in the way. Essentially, the Devil can't win, and being his right hand would put you on his side.

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As Al picino says in devils advocate:

"consider the soarce"

I 've wondered about this before, why would you want to be a satanist ?
What reward lies before you ?
Do you get a heavenlike treatment in hell ?

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

I 've wondered about this before, why would you want to be a satanist ?
What reward lies before you ?
Do you get a heavenlike treatment in hell ?

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Satanists don't believe in hell, I have read some of their views, it's not that bad, it is just individualism till the extreme. Basicly, anything that serves you and you alone is fair game, de Sade comes pretty close.

I meant the people who actually worship satan and perform rituals to honor hmi etc.

From what I've been made to understand, when Hell comes to Earth and Satan wins, they get some pretty nifty rewards for their service. And if they happen to die before that event, then they get better treatment in hell, so that it is really less of the fire and brimstone eternal troment type of hell and for them it is more of a demon position and all the decadent pleasures associated with it.

Or, at least, that's what I was lead to understand.

I thought hell was self made by rejecting God.

On a more general level or atheist one. Ones life can be made hell by rejecting principles that steers one from harm of self and others. Principles are like light houses, there to warn us away from damage... but some of us see a sign saying wet paint and just have to touch it to make sure... thank God for scientists. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

I meant the people who actually worship satan and perform rituals to honor hmi etc.

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Devil worshippers do their thing for the same reasons the rest of the Judeo-Christians do.

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Originally Posted by King Henry V

The Devil does exist. He is the embodiement of pure evil with whom God has been battling throughout the ages and they will continue fighting each other until Armageddon.

Of course, another great trick of the devil was the second world war. Firstly you get one of the most evil people ever born climbing to the top, and while he is defeated, it's still a victory for the devil. I can think of many people who's reason for not believing in God is that "How could God have let the second world war happen".

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Henry- I was positing my belief. I was not arguing that the belief in the devil was wrong; he is just completely incompatible with my own religious system.

From where I stand, we are our own angels and devils.

As long as it can be a special relationship...

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Originally Posted by Zorba

Henry- I was positing my belief. I was not arguing that the belief in the devil was wrong; he is just completely incompatible with my own religious system.

From where I stand, we are our own angels and devils.

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I know you were putting forward your beliefs, and I was not arguing against it, merely expressing my own beliefs. :bow:

Anyone ever read Job from Heinlein?

If that was the real devil, then I'd love to be his righthand, but now i'd rather stand aside but if needs be, I'll oppose him.

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Originally Posted by GoreBag

Devil worshippers do their thing for the same reasons the rest of the Judeo-Christians do.

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I've never heard of anyone outright worshipping Satan, in a literal sense outside of Christian moral panics. If they really dislike Christianity that much they'll convert to another belief system eg:Julian the apostate .