Moderation not a part of being a moderator?

At come point, common sense has to enter into the equation, especially in the backroom. Lately, moderation and common sense don't seem to apply to warnings.

In this thread:

[URL="https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=74189"]Move over CNN, BBC world and Al-Jazeera... /URL]

My joking post, which was #2 in the thread

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

But the real question is how long before they capitulate in the face of competition? :wink:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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I get a warning for country bashing. Are you kidding me? A light-hearted attempt at humor in the backroom of all places gets a warning?

Considering Tribesman's thread, I'm beginning to think that perhaps one of the moderators is in charge of the wrong forum, or perhaps needs to take a long break to recover some sense of equilibrium and a sense of humor.

I was hoping for some more complaining when I woke up this morning.

Thanks.

If I didn't give you the alert -not warning- it would be inconsistent with what other moderators have done, and with what I have done. Then others would complain.

Besides that, if I try to be funny and bring some humour in the backroom by saying X-citizens are stupid, Y-citizens are cowardly etc. it can very well be offensive to X/Y citizen. Wether my intentions were good or not.

But thanks again ~:).

Yes, that's all fine, Mithrandir.

In what way did my post say X-citizens are stupid or Y-citizens are cowardly? You can jump to all the conclusions you wish. My post was an attempt at humor about a TV station. How you get from there to country bashing is a truly prodigious feat of conclusion leaping.

And if you don't like the complaints in this forum in particular, then I recommend that you read the Watchtower forum description.

If, on the other hand, your intent is to find a way to demote me, then just go ahead and do it and quit playing silly games.

For what it's worth: it was understood by me as a light-hearted joke. It even had a smiley and all. :balloon2:

Heck, even today, I made a stereotypical joke about France's percieved lack of military prowess:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=14

Some humour at the expense of other nations should be allowed - I wouldn't want to lose my ability to smite the Anglosaxons with sarcastic comments every chance I get... :whip:

and isn't it funny how Tribes can get off the hook for what he did, only to start touble with me again, with no mods steping in (last time I checked)?


"I'm beginning to think that perhaps one of the moderators is in charge of the wrong forum, or perhaps needs to take a long break to recover some sense of equilibrium and a sense of humor."

No, I think there some Mods here, that just can't mod IMO.

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I'm beginning to think that perhaps one of the moderators is in charge of the wrong forum, or perhaps needs to take a long break to recover some sense of equilibrium and a sense of humor.

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Come on, Aenlic. Sarcastic jokes, even light-hearted ones, can get lost in translation, especially in written text, and even more so on the internet. No point in getting personal with a mod over it. :beam:

A comparison with other posts and with standard .Org policy is a better means. :yes:

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

No, I think there some Mods here, that just can't mod IMO.

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Come on, KingWarman888. No point in getting personal with a mod over it. :beam:

A comparison with other posts and with standard .Org policy is a better means. :yes:

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and isn't it funny how Tribes can get off the hook for what he did, only to start touble with me again, with no mods steping in (last time I checked)?

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Hey come on Warman , I only suggested a book to add to your list of Christmas presents from santa..
I thought it might be helpfull and constructive for future debates you may wish to partake in .

meh I made a joke about all people at totalwar.com being n00bs, use a smiley and all
Got a warning for it, like I care, they dissappear after 30 days

If you got the same warning as I did, 0 point, then you shouldn't even be complaining s it's not a real warning at all.

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

If I didn't give you the alert -not warning- it would be inconsistent with what other moderators have done, and with what I have done. Then others would complain.

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0-point=Alert.

To alert someone.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

For what it's worth: it was understood by me as a light-hearted joke. It even had a smiley and all. :balloon2:

Heck, even today, I made a stereotypical joke about France's percieved lack of military prowess:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=14

Some humour at the expense of other nations should be allowed - I wouldn't want to lose my ability to smite the Anglosaxons with sarcastic comments every chance I get... :whip:

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Thanks for saying that, Louis. I knew you would percieve it in the spirit it was meant, a light-hearted joke. But then, you have a sense of humor.

There's been enough fuss about light hearted jokes in the past. Who is tough enough to stomach some dutch ones?

Obviously a private zero pointer is already too much. :elephant:

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

I'm beginning to think that perhaps one of the moderators is in charge of the wrong forum,

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

No, I think there some Mods here, that just can't mod IMO.

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Amazingly it is often those who still have a lot of untapped potential when it comes to improving their manners , who seem to cry the loudest.

Same old same...

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

:no:

Amazingly it is often those who still have a lot of untapped potential when it comes to improving their manners , who seem to cry the loudest.

Same old same...

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Sigged! :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

Amazingly it is often those who still have a lot of untapped potential when it comes to improving their manners , who seem to cry the loudest.

Same old same...

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Indeed, and two wrongs...

But, therother, there was nothing "wrong" with the original warning. We have a policy against country bashing. Responding to a post about a French broadcasting enterprise by saying how soon will the Frenchies all run away is country bashing, whether supposed to be funny or not. It's like supposedly "mild" swearing - it's still swearing, whether mild or not. A zero pointer is perfectly in order here, if the person being warned is not up on a first offence.

Aenlic, I am sorry, but you should just take your lumps and not contribute to the increasing number of worthless Watchtower threads posted by members complaining about legitimate warnings.

Personally, as a Brit, I have zero tolerance for French bashing. It's not new, it's not funny and it's not clever. I am also deeply suspicious of its current emergence in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion. There's a political undertone to that which you don't need to be an Einstein to figure out. I'm in danger of getting all political and backroomy here, but the strength of feeling I have on the question does indicate why a "no country bashing" policy, like a "no swearing" policy, might be a sensible precautionary step in a community of people with very different origins and sensibilities.

I didn't make any reference to the initial warning: whether I agree or disagree with it is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, which was very narrow in scope. Ser Clegane criticised the OP and another poster for their lack of manners, and characteristed specific lines of each as "crying", a comment I felt did not exactly embody the type of "manners" I would like to see around the forums.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

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Amazingly it is often those who still have a lot of untapped potential when it comes to improving their manners , who seem to cry the loudest.

Same old same...

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This post constitutes insulting two members and deserves two warnings. Or is there a double standard? Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary

Cry
~to call loudly; shout; yell

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Oh, of course, how silly of me. If the intended insult is veiled then it isn't really an insult, in spite of the obvious intent. Whereas, if the light-hearted comment isn't intended as country bashing isn't taken as country bashing by the thread starter, it's still country bashing. Astounding. Truly astounding.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary

Cry
~to call loudly; shout; yell

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That's certainly one definition. But in a thread all about the possible interpretation of jokes and words, wouldn't using one of the many other English words, which couldn't possibly be misinterpreted, convey the same meaning without any (I assume unintended) misunderstandings?

Regardless of which meaning was intended, IMHO the fundamental tone of the post remains the unchanged.

Nothing has been "veiled".

I think it is very clear that I feel that the manners of the two patrons who chose to attack a moderator in this thread leave something to be desired (see quoted statements in my first post)

This impression is not primarily or exclusively based on the statements in this particular thread here, but on a rather broad range of statements in other threads, where other patrons have repeatedly been personally attacked.

If you do not think that personally attacking patrons who do not happen to share your views indicates a certain lack of good manners, then our respective definitions of good manners differ significantly.

I think it is clear, from my initial post, what my opinion is regarding the manner in which the two posters chose to express themselves in the lines you quote. But that they may have chosen to be impolite doesn't give other patrons free reign to respond in kind. This is, however, not relevant to the thread itself, so if you wish to continue this discussion I suggest we take it to PM.

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Originally Posted by therother

so if you wish to continue this discussion I suggest we take it to PM.

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This will probably not be necessary as my last post was not directed at your post that directly preceded it but rather was a direct response to Aenlic's last post

(I probably should have quoted the statement I was referring to)
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Originally Posted by Aenlic

This post constitutes insulting two members and deserves two warnings. Or is there a double standard? Yeah, that's what I thought.

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You'd be pretty hard pressed to actually equate that statement with yours.

Also, I saw the pissing contest you got into recently not to mention other posts I could come up with.

Needless to say, you shouldn't take that statement as an insult, but actually reflect on it. It's a good piece of advice for you, and me, and everyone...

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

I think it is very clear that I feel that the manners of the two patrons who chose to attack a moderator in this thread leave something to be desired (see quoted statements in my first post)

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Attacking a moderator ?
So now disagreeing with a method of moderation is attacking ?!
Sheesh.
Maybe then we should then close the watchtower altogether, because my impression was that such disagreements were a big part of the purpose it serves... Because we don't want everybody attacking the moderators, do we ?

In view of this, and other, recent (and relatively similar) threads, how about you (and by "you" I don't mean a specific you, but everybody involved) try to consider something: if a lot of people complain about moderating style, then, in my mind, there are likely two possibilities:
1. there's something wrong with the moderating style.
2. there's something wrong with the people.

It certainly doesn't look to me that both have actually been considered.

You know, if the complaints had been from more "extreme" posters, like, say, PanzerJager, or King Ragnar (iirc), etc, then sure, I'd understand.
But since they seem to be made by a lot of "moderate" and normally civil members, and Senior Members, perhaps you should reconsider the issue, and not default on "there's something wrong with the people", as seems to be the case.

Well, thanks for reading, and feel free to add me up to the list of nasty cruel people who are "attacking" the mods.

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perhaps needs to take a long break to recover some sense of equilibrium and a sense of humor.

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That's not simply disagreeing.

The fact that a patron is seen as a "moderate" member, or is a senior member does not change the fact that they too can break forum rules.

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if a lot of people complain about moderating style,

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From the hundreds of active members, about 10 complain. I don't think that's a lot. I also complain when I get a speedingfine, that doesn't mean I didn't speed.

All of this attacking of forum policy and moderator actons is getting boring now. I think some people must have nothing better to do. I see a few respected members here also that post intelligently in the backroom and yet are demeaning themselves here by perpetuating this fruitless debate. I feel that we're seeing these members in a different light. I've had warning points in the past for things that I thought were relatively minor. I've just accepted them and got over it. Never yet have I made it public and protested here since my return (I did when I first joined because I was being an idiot).

At another board (you know where) I was treated pretty unfairly and tried to protest against it, as you have done here. My post was deleted and I was told (by you know who) that if I did it again I'd be banned for a few days. After that injustice I simply left and never returned. Case closed. There is no need to do that here, as the .org doesn't treat you like that. This place is extremely fair compared to many other boards where admins do act on whims and do single members out and "orchestrate a ban" on people they don't like personally.

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Caravel: so you believe that discussing mods' actions and criteria, and the rules, is purely destructive, and has absolutely no chance whatsoever to actually improve the quality of moderation ?

As for my spare time, well, we're all posting on these boards, aren't we?
So I think the "nothing better to do" applies equally to all of us. :bow:
Not to mention that if any of us actually plays the game(s) which are the main reason for the existence of these boards, again, we are all guilty of having too much spare time.

Mithrandir:

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

The fact that a patron is seen as a "moderate" member, or is a senior member does not change the fact that they too can break forum rules.

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Of course not, and I did not imply, or claim that. I believe you got the point I was trying to make, which was not that moderate/senior members are (or should be) above the rules. But I will try to explain it again, more clearly this time: if known "trouble-makers" protest against the rules they are breaking on a regular basis, well, that shouldn't take too much time for consideration, because they've already proven, repeatedly, that they have troubles abiding to said rules.
If, however, folks with their head on their shoulders, people who behave in a mature and polite manner most of the time, who are respected members of our community (the status of Senior Member does show this, I hope you'll agree with me), complain about something, it makes more sense (to me) to listen to what they have to say, than you would for a known trouble-maker.

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

From the hundreds of active members, about 10 complain. I don't think that's a lot. I also complain when I get a speedingfine, that doesn't mean I didn't speed.

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I believe that the number of regular posters in the backroom is much smaller than "hundreds".
We are (or at least I was) referring to the backroom. The posts I have been referring to address moderation in the backroom, regarding posts made in the backroom, and are/were made by regular posters in the backroom.

Again, see my point above: if member X, who joined a couple a weeks ago, has complaints, it's likely because he doesn't know the rules of the house yet, and I agree that he should first figure out how things work around here, make sure he understands what is acceptable and what not, and only then complain. So for that kind of complaints the mods shouldn't waste too much time, because, more likely than not, they are caused by an insufficient acquaintance with the house rules.

If, however, the complaint comes from someone who's been here, and in the backroom (which, again, I hope you'll agree with me, is different in its atmosphere from the rest of the .org), for several years, and proved that they can, and do, abide by the rules, for all these years (which shows they also understand said rules), then perhaps the issue does need to be considered.

The wagons have circled, Clegane admits that his insult wasn't even veiled, I'm posting in a place which is supposed to be for this very purpose and yet I'm taken to task for it, even by the person who put the backroom in the Watchtower in the first place. It's all pretty clear. If this isn't the place for such criticism, then why is it here? Have I been complaining about warnings I've received recently which I did deserve? No. I deserved them and I accepted them. I'm here questioning the one which I feel was undeserved. In what I thought was the proper place. ~:pissed:

Also, It's not just about a 0-point warning and both Mithrandir and Ser Clegane know it, and their dishonesty is apparent to me if not to others. And it's sheer hypocrisy of Ser Clegane to make statements regarding me personally attacking other patrons when I've never done so except in response to an initiation by the other party, and then for Clegane to come here and insult me for criticizing Mithrandir in a thread which appears to me to have been designed for questioning warnings? It's absolute crap. So, I'll make a deal. I'll climb off my excessively high horse when you do.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

The wagons have circled, Clegane admits that his insult wasn't even veiled, I'm posting in a place which is supposed to be for this very purpose and yet I'm taken to task for it, even by the person who put the backroom in the Watchtower in the first place. It's all pretty clear. If this isn't the place for such criticism, then why is it here? Have I been complaining about warnings I've received recently which I did deserve? No. I deserved them and I accepted them. I'm here questioning the one which I feel was undeserved. In what I thought was the proper place. ~:pissed:

Also, It's not just about a 0-point warning and both Mithrandir and Ser Clegane know it, and their dishonesty is apparent to me if not to others. And it's sheer hypocrisy of Ser Clegane to make statements regarding me personally attacking other patrons when I've never done so except in response to an initiation by the other party, and then for Clegane to come here and insult me for criticizing Mithrandir in a thread which appears to me to have been designed for questioning warnings? It's absolute crap. So, I'll make a deal. I'll climb off my excessively high horse when you do.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

This impression is not primarily or exclusively based on the statements in this particular thread here, but on a rather broad range of statements in other threads, where other patrons have repeatedly been personally attacked.

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One such post of yours that Ser Clegane was referring to was this one.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=74

If your going to make such a claim - its normally better to review your own actions first. Your protest is about a warning alert about a light humor that the moderator did not think was proper in the backroom because of the nature of the joke. Nothing wrong with that alert at all, and maybe nothing wrong with the joke itself. But instead of addressing the alert and the comment that caused the alert - you chose a different course, one that belies your post here. Everyone can see the last sentence of your initial post was directed at an individual not the issue in which you wanted to discuss.

Aenlic, my understanding is that the Watchtower is a place to discuss Org policy. If you want to appeal about a particular warning rather than discuss policy, I would raise it first with the moderator and then with an admin. If a warning is not of general significance, I don't see why you need to make a public debate about it. The current tendency of people to start threads here about warning points for naughty words etc is just silly.

Unfortunately, this thread is not about an issue of policy and so also falls into the "just silly" category. Your argument against your alert is:

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

In what way did my post say X-citizens are stupid or Y-citizens are cowardly? You can jump to all the conclusions you wish. My post was an attempt at humor about a TV station. How you get from there to country bashing is a truly prodigious feat of conclusion leaping.

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I am sorry, but that argument is just absurd. You got your alert for this:

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But the real question is how long before they capitulate in the face of competition?

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This "joke" is not even an attempt at a joke without its premise being the implict country-bashing assumption that French citizens are cowardly. Without such a premise, the above sentence is incomprehensible. Why should a broadcasting station capitulate? ~:confused: The fact that the sentence is still almost incomprehensible even with such an assumption merely shows it is not even redeemed by genuine humour.

If your claim is that you did not "say" the French are cowardly and so can't have been bashing them, then you are just being obtuse. I could post similar country bashing "jokes" based on the premise that X-citizens are stupid, dirty, money-grubbing, have large genitalia etc. The fact that I would not actually say that X-citizens have such characteristics would not make such garbage any more acceptable, nor mean I was innocent of country bashing.

No disrespect, but you are wasting our time.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Clegane admits that his insult wasn't even veiled

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I stand by my statement that personally attacking people - be it other patrons or moderators - indicates a lack of manners with respect to the conduct on this board.
In your opening post you primarily played the man not the ball.
The Watchtower and its Backroom subforum are meant to talk about forum policies - not to just blow of steam and make personal attacks.

It is interesting that on one hand you consider the statements in your opening post to be criticism, while on the other hand you consider my response to it to be an insult.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

And it's sheer hypocrisy of Ser Clegane to make statements regarding me personally attacking other patrons when I've never done so except in response to an initiation by the other party,

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What falls within the scope of your definition of "initiation by the other party"?

Aenlic, I think it's pretty clear that Ser was not insulting you (I don't see how any other definition of 'cry' than the one mith posted would make sense in that context), and he said there was no veiled insult.

No one is saying this isn't the place to complain, it's just that people get tired of the drama. Makes you wonder why they read it, but it's sort of like this image, you just keep staring:

https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/...ama16uqkj9.gif

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Everyone can see the last sentence of your initial post was directed at an individual not the issue in which you wanted to discuss.

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Redleg, in that very same thread, you claimed to be there solely for the purpose of harrassing me. You stated as such. You posted nothing in the thread on topic. In fact, in a thread which asked if others were athiests and if so why, you - a self-proclaimed non-atheist - were there for no reason other than to harrass me. Your presence in this thread also has no point other than to harrass me. Just shut up. You're one of the people that the supposedly fair moderators allow to get away with things like the above. Even when you admit doing it, as you did here. Did you see me in the "Is anyone else a Christian" thread harrassing other people? No. I would have no business posting in that thread. And yet, you get away with such things and think you're special because of it.

Econ21, I accept the reasoning. It's the uneven enforcement, as displayed above, which is the problem. It's the lack of common sense and fairness in the enforcement of the rules. It has become institutionalized; and in the case of a couple of people already named, it has become obvious to the point of being a blatant double standard.

And that's all I have to say on the matter. Continue allowing Redleg to harrass other members with whom he disagrees, and others of his ilk who do the same, even after admitting it like rEdleg did. Continue promoting people who misuse their positions and engage in open hypocrisy. It really doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

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Amazingly it is often those who still have a lot of untapped potential when it comes to improving their manners , who seem to cry the loudest.

Same old same...

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How am I crying, when I'm just telling the truth of some ironic warnings,come on :no:

Aenlic, I do love it, you resort back to one of the 3 great arguments patrons use.

Have a complaint about a warning ? Pick any of the 3 below :

- I can do much worse!
- Others did bad things too and they weren't warned!
- You're a triggerhappy stupid person with too much time on your hands, get a life!

You picked the second. On which fact do you base Redleg doesn't receive warnings for posts he makes which break the forum rules?

Anyway, ignore the above :

Let me summarise:

You're not complaining about the warning alert I handed you, but you feel you're being singled out ? Why didn't you state so in the initial post ?

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

In fact, in a thread which asked if others were athiests and if so why, you - a self-proclaimed non-atheist - were there for no reason other than to harrass me.

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Posting in a thread with which you disagree is standard Orgite practice. Happens all the time.

Thread: who believes in God? Reply: you religious folks are delusional
Thread: who hates Christmas? Reply: Merry Christmas
Thread: who likes Pink Floyd? Reply: Pink Floyd sucks.
Thread: who is ready for (American) football/soccer season? Reply: football/soccer is boring. Soccer/football is the real sport.
Thread: any fans of Tolkien out there? Reply: Tolkien stinks.
...and so it goes.

It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, but any topic which is created for the sole purpose of discussion amongst like-minded people always gets crashed by those who feel differently. So instead of having a stimulating discussion with those who share your interest, you end up arguing with those who feel quite the opposite. 'Tis the nature of the beast.

As for these kinds of patron/moderator disputes, they almost always play out the same. It gets distrubingly predictable.

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Originally Posted by Mith

You're a triggerhappy stupid person with too much time on your hands, get a life!

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"triggerhappy stupid person"? Come on Mith, you know it's always the "Nazi on a power trip" label. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Gregoshi

It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, but any topic which is created for the sole purpose of discussion amongst like-minded people always gets crashed by those who feel differently. So instead of having a stimulating discussion with those who share your interest, you end up arguing with those who feel quite the opposite. 'Tis the nature of the beast.

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I broadly agree with you Gregoshi. For starters, anyone who comes into a thread with the sole intention of disrupting it with a trollish "this topic sux!!11!" statement isn't worthy of much respect. OTOH, even discussions amongst like-minded people can descend into argument over the most trivial of disagreements (e.g. do Balrogs have wings?). Ultimately, only you are a like-minded person for yourself, and discussing things with yourself can get a little boring. :laugh4: Risking disagreement is the price one has to pay for meaningful discussion. I often find that the most stimulating discussions occur when you are debating with someone who has a different opinion from you.

This also highlights one of the strengths of this form of communication: it's perfectly possible to ignore such trollish behaviour, up to and including using the "Ignore poster" feature of the forum software. If you are discussing in person, and one member of your group is being disruptive, it is far more difficult to continue on with your discussion unabated. I therefore have little sympathy for those who choose to degrade themselves (and, more importantly, these forums) by participating in flame wars over trivialities (like whether Pink Floyd rulz or sux), even if they are supposedly "provoked".

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Redleg, in that very same thread, you claimed to be there solely for the purpose of harrassing me. You stated as such. You posted nothing in the thread on topic. In fact, in a thread which asked if others were athiests and if so why, you - a self-proclaimed non-atheist - were there for no reason other than to harrass me. Your presence in this thread also has no point other than to harrass me. Just shut up. You're one of the people that the supposedly fair moderators allow to get away with things like the above. Even when you admit doing it, as you did here. Did you see me in the "Is anyone else a Christian" thread harrassing other people? No. I would have no business posting in that thread. And yet, you get away with such things and think you're special because of it.

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Ah you still don't get it do you?

Because the moderators will not inform you of any alert or warning others recieve, Aenlic I got the just deserved rebuttal from the moderators for my actions. The moderators do not inform you on what actions they take on others, if you engaged your grey matter just a tad bit more you would of figured that point out.

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And that's all I have to say on the matter. Continue allowing Redleg to harrass other members with whom he disagrees, and others of his ilk who do the same, even after admitting it like rEdleg did. Continue promoting people who misuse their positions and engage in open hypocrisy. It really doesn't matter.

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Lets see whats the old adage that fits this bill. The pot calling the Kettle black.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Malcolm! You need to lighten up! I am just jerking your chain.

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So when do we get some .com rules here?
-Do not discuss mod actions

These threads are really getting irritating, you said you would follow the rules when you signed up. Well do so, modsare here to keep you inline with the rules, if you don't you get a warning, when mods give you a warning they are right. Seriously, you all are sounding like some football (soccer) player who complains that he got a yellow card for tackling an opponent. That's simply not allowed, agree to that or don't. If you don't just go and play a sport where you're allowed to attack opponents.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

It's the uneven enforcement, as displayed above, which is the problem.

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Hence I chose my custom title...

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Originally Posted by Stig

So when do we get some .com rules here?

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Hopefully never. :inquisitive:

Folks, if you get warned or alerted or PM'd, it's between the moderator and you. How can you possibly decide that the treatment of members on this forum is uneven or biased when you don't know how other members are being treated?

Lets all take a step back now...

Aenlic you made a joke which could have been considered offensive to some. Pretty mild behavior. You got an alert, the mildest of the mild of 'warnings'.

You haven't been singled out, alerts are sent all the time, you just don't know of the alerts sent to other people (and rightly so). Alerts are meant (believe it or not :wink:) to alert you of a problem in your post.

They aren't punishment. We're all mature enough not to need an 'evil headmaster vs bad boy' relationship, so lets all ~:grouphug: and get on with life. :grin:

Argeed Myrd. I see no reason to complain about Alerts. For Example, I got a Alert on the 24th of Octorober, because I had misspelled a word, and I said "cock" by accident and Ser gave me a Alert and I didn't say anything. Why? Because I misspelled it, and I should have checked over it, and it was just a Alert, period.

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Folks, if you get warned or alerted or PM'd, it's between the moderator and you. How can you possibly decide that the treatment of members on this forum is uneven or biased when you don't know how other members are being treated?

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We have a special forum where we all are member of, when some mods warns us we post there.
linky:
http://www.hereweallcomplainifmyrddr...dit.com/forums
or
http://www.camelsstink.com

lol Stig, good one

The faces may change, but it appears the excuses and lack of personal responsibility do not. I miss it not. Maybe an appropriate response would be a "Moderator for a Day" festival? :saint:

As always, only the names change Hosa.

Face it Aenlic mods are directly descended from gods and their wisdom is eternal and omniscient. Especially their arrogant attitude (displayed here by the two posts above mine) really gets me off and I think the mods needs to smoke a cigar and realize they are humans and do make mistakes. Sometimes it is actually quite advantageous to recognize ones mistakes and then sort it out. This defensive attitude amongst mods isnt helpful at all, they should all be sent to summer camp and learn how to actually engage in a dialogue or discourse.

All I see is stubborn people on each sides, only difference is that one side has the capabilities to IP ban.

:thumbsdown:

Argeed Sja.

I think There Stubborn people, liek the Mods, who refuse to back down, when they warn someone for something dumb. and we got people who refuse to back down from the mods, rather they get warn for something they deserve or not. To Me, I don't like those people, the normal .org AND the Mods who are to defensive and BS.

I think Mods are like that, because My God, if they hae to back down and say "Sorry", it's the whole end of the world!! the Camels in Mith's Stable will all Die Because One of his own comrades (or even him) has to say sorry to a member he just banned for 3 days. Come on. I got Warnings I derserved and I never fought them, But I got these Stupid Warnings Lately, Most Noteably from Ser and them,that I didn't even derseve, and if I did Derseve something, mabye a Alert or 0 point warning. I think both sides needs to start backing down, .orgah members AND Mods. If the Mods can't,well, it time for New Mods. If >orgah members can't,well,we got a ploblem.

I sure never felt divine Sjak. And I always worried I was making mistakes when I felt I had to get out the moderator "stick".

My grievance, if you wish to call it that, is how some patrons handle their disputes with moderators, namely, by airing it in public. Now, there is nothing wrong with a public discussion about forum practices. However, it usually turns into a personal axe to grind to a particular moderator. It is at this point in these discussions that patron after patron goes down the same exact path almost as if they were lemmings marching to the sea. It gets repetitive and frustrating to see the same patterns repeating themselves. Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often here at the Org. And I'll doft my hat to Aenlic in that he stopped himself from that seemingly inevitable march to the sea. :bow:

Lastly, moderators don't make "mistakes". They "go on power trips directed against innocent patrons with whom they have a personal vendetta"...or so it often seems. ~:( It would be nice to have a possible moderator "mistake" treated as if it might be a mistake" and nothing more.

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I sure never felt divine Sjak. And I always worried I was making mistakes when I felt I had to get out the moderator "stick".

My grievance, if you wish to call it that, is how some patrons handle their disputes with moderators, namely, by airing it in public. Now, there is nothing wrong with a public discussion about forum practices. However, it usually turns into a personal axe to grind to a particular moderator. It is at this point in these discussions that patron after patron goes down the same exact path almost as if they were lemmings marching to the sea. It gets repetitive and frustrating to see the same patterns repeating themselves. Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often here at the Org. And I'll doft my hat to Aenlic in that he stopped himself from that seemingly inevitable march to the sea. :bow:

Lastly, moderators don't make "mistakes". They "go on power trips directed against innocent patrons with whom they have a personal vendetta"...or so it often seems. ~:( It would be nice to have a possible moderator "mistake" treated as if it might be a mistake" and nothing more.

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I agree with that and I think everyone is doing a great job.

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Originally Posted by Sjakihata

only difference is that one side has the capabilities to IP ban.

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Moderators don't have that capability.

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Originally Posted by Sjakihata

Face it Aenlic mods are directly descended from gods and their wisdom is eternal and omniscient. Especially their arrogant attitude (displayed here by the two posts above mine) really gets me off and I think the mods needs to smoke a cigar and realize they are humans and do make mistakes. Sometimes it is actually quite advantageous to recognize ones mistakes and then sort it out. This defensive attitude amongst mods isnt helpful at all, they should all be sent to summer camp and learn how to actually engage in a dialogue or discourse.

All I see is stubborn people on each sides, only difference is that one side has the capabilities to IP ban.

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Greg is arrogant??? Anyone who knows him at all can attest that he is in fact the exact opposite.

I never admit to mistakes and/or apologize for them??? Again, anyone who knows me will call you on that one too.

You're tilting at the wrong windmill Sjakihata. Hence why I suggest, tongue in cheek, that a moderator for a day festival might be appropriate for those that feel so terribly repressed. Walk in a moderators shoes for a time and show us your stuff, deal with the conflicts, both real & imagined, using just the written word, no body language or voice inflection to gauge meaning or intent. And then do it all perfectly to everyones satifaction.

Meh, your probably right. It's just easier to stand on the sideline, let others take the responsibility, make mountains out of all the little molehills, and complain.~:flirt:

To conclude this, which I will no longer discuss since I seem to be misinterpreted (on purpose?).

No where did I call any moderator by person arrogant or lousy or what not. All I did was to point out the fact that I think the above is an arrogant attitude. To say someone has an arrogant attitude in a post, is not the same as saying in general is arrogant. I hope you understand this and that my comment was not directed as an assault on either part, merely saying that I find these debates fruitless and stubborn, that's all.

since I cannot edit my post, here is a clarification in a sentence above what i meant was: (To say someone has an arrogant attitude in a post, is not the same as saying in general is arrogant.)

Is supposed to be: To say someone has an arrogant attitude in a post, is not the same as saying in general that the person is arrogant.

I understand now Sjak. Arrogance was not my intent in that post and I apologize that it did come across as such. :bow:

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I understand now Sjak. Arrogance was not my intent in that post and I apologize that it did come across as such.

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No reason to apologize, however, I do accept it. I know words can come across diffrently based on culture, perception and individual quirks. Let's call this settled and I'll step away where I do not belong.

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Camalboy getting a beating again? At first I thought he doesn't like me, but now I realise that he is a very consistent moderator that doesn't like me :laugh4:

*cough* youtube *cough*

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No reason to apologize...

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Well, the way I see it, my words were interpreted differently than I intended, causing a bit of a negative emotion from you. I could have made the same point but in a less flippant manner, therefore I hold myself repsonsible - hence the apology.

Fragony, we're all jealous of you because you have a theme song. ~;)