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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html
It was on 8:00 Channel 4 today it’s quite a scary depiction of radical Islam clerics in Britain.
They want to make Britain an Islamic (I was going to say republic but they don’t believe in that what is it called when religious leaders run a country.) and force everyone to be Islamic, they are really quite deluded.
Did anyone else see it
Theocracy is one republic led by religious leaders, kind like Iran (but not)
And yall do nothing? Pathetic
Kind of like what we in the United States do with the Mexican group that advocates the return of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and parts of Nevada, Utah and Colorado to Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Ignore it and grant the illegals ammensty.
Well its a problem with the entire western world really. These people are happy to use what we have given them agianst us. Something is being lost in translationQuote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Isn't the Mirror kind of the UK equivalent of the Nat'l Enquirer? Celeb stories, Poli scandals, sex romps and UFO sightings? If they've got undercover reporters monitoring mosques, I'd presume the gov't does too. That's not exactly "doing nothing".
On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.
From the article.........He certainly knows how to draw a big crowd .Quote:
IN a dilapidated mosque, half a dozen awestruck young men listen to a preacher spell out his vision for Britain.
:help: :help: :help: the muslims are coming to get you:hide:
Well, lunatic fringe is lunatic fringe.
Yeah, except that the Islamic lunatic fringe has shown a consistent tendency towards aggressive, suicidal violence resulting in mass death of innocents.
That much the better the loons are the fringe then.
How long will they be the fringe? We all saw what happend in France last year. When push comes to shoe 90% of the muslims will side with each other. Thats when the **** will hit the fan. Thats when the Inams will seize the moment. Its the same here with the illegal immagrants. We need to truly intergrate these people or kick them out. We cant keep turing a blind eye and acting like our diversty programs fix these suituations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
And "integrate" means exactly what here ?
into western socitey. Womens rights and tolerance would be a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
That's not "exactly". That's the vague part.
You'll probably find that we've got a firm eye on these loons. The thing about lunatic preachers is you know where they are. Keep track of his audiences, and you've got a decent database of potential firecrackers. Drive him away, and they go underground. We are currently working on integration as well, but from past experience it'll take around 10 years for the effects to show. It's not a case of one or the other - we're doing both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Well we cant keep the current status quo can we? Id start by dismantiling everything that sperartes along racil lines. No more Affirmitve Action no more black history month. Nothing that can be used as a flash point to create divison. Now this creates a whole nother slew of problems. So I really dont know what to doQuote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
Precisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Umm...If I was the goverment agent responsible for watching these wackos. Id make up some bull**** excuse to kick them out of the country.
I thought black history month was a joke...It's not serios is it?
it isQuote:
Originally Posted by holybandit
How far do these people have to go before they are treasonous or at least guilty of sedition? Why not just put these troublemakers in the clink and remove them from causing dissent. There are some quotes in that article that sound like they are reason enough to bring up charges. Is it different because they are clerics? Or is the gov just allowing it to happen because any direct move would cause too many negative ramifications?
Muslims do not intergrate that is a fact. You can deny it until you are blue in the face, but it does it exist.
Muslims concentrate themselves in one area, refuse to intergrate, gain a majority in the local council, and Islamisize everything. Recently here in Australia one of our local fast-food chains changed all their food to be halal complient. That offends me. As a Christian, I should not be forced to eat food that has been prepared in a Muslim way.
As you can also see from the outrage at the Pope's recent comments. All he did was quote a 14th century Byzantine emperor, and the Muslims go beserk. Come to think of it, they complain that we are vilifying them when we quote certain passages from the Koran that bid them to slay all the infidel.
They do not intergrate, they are violent(Islam is a violent religion, for all those who say that Islam is peaceful, go read the Koran and you'll see what a nice peaceful religion it is), and they are slowly taking over Western countries.
The sooner these people are kicked out of our countries, the better.
My work is being done for me. :laugh4:
Its good to see some people have opened their eyes...
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We need to truly intergrate these people or kick them out.
As a non-Christian, should I have to abide by laws funded upon Judeo-Christian values?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I could do the same for the "peaceful" religion of Christianity. The judeo-christian god was originally an ill tempered war god don't forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain, that would be totally awesome.
I wish good luck to the Muslims who strive for that goal. Even if they don't meet it, at least they are standing up for morality and trying to do something good for society.
Certainly is a lot more respectable of a goal to turn Britain to Islam than it is to try to shove the infidel institution of democracy down the throats of Muslim nations (ie: War on Iraq).
“What's wrong with an Islamic Republic of Britain,” : REPUBLIC.
Joke apart, France had a lost past with Muslim and still wait for the Islamist wave to come. The last Riots were not Islamist, excepted in media.
The loyalty of the Muslims to France was largely illustrated in all French Battle Fields with the Tiraillleurs, Tabors, Goumiers, Spahis and Chasseurs d’Afrique fighting along side the purely French units.
I see a lot of venom, but not a shred of suggested solution that didn't boil down to naked xenophobia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
You make baby Jesus cry, you know that ?
Well we are yet to hear your great solution to the problem, Watchman.
Hating other people who are different is exactly what the Nazis did.
The xxx are coming! They will get you! Shoot them all!
Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags. Islam is the cover story they use to gain support from the impressionable youth. In reality they're simply racists and west haters.
They don't integrate. I've lived among them for many years. As to why they don't integrate I'm not sure. I'm not even sure as to why they need to integrate either. Sikhs and Hindus don't integrate much either, come to think of it neither do christians. They all seem to stick to their own communities. I work with a bigoted christian woman that considers herself far superior to her co-workers, and doesn't socialise with non christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I suppose if they make up the majority in a certain district then they will probably vote for someone that represents their interests, i.e. another muslim. In the UK everyone notices those news stories about corrupt muslim MPs never mind the fact that they're all corrupt anyway, regardless of colour or creed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Yes but that wasn't every muslim in the world was it? It was a minority again, a minority that the media love to film and photograph and show you again and again burning effigies or calling for jihads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Read the bible and see much the same thing. Religion on the whole is a cancer on society. The biggest problem is interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I would prefer to export some chavs. :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
:yes: IIRC a significant part of the Communist Party of Great Britain's funding and active members came from MI5.Quote:
On the other hand, once you subtract the undercover guys, I wonder how many actual devotees are attending services. Imams might be disappointed to learn they're preaching to the papers and the gov't and 10 old men.
And without any disrespect to those who were killed or their relatives, it has to be said that blowing the tubes up did nothing whatsoever. Being blown up is a (minor) risk of modern life. Someone or other is ALWAYS blowing London up. :juggle2: I'm more worried about lunatic drivers.Quote:
Regardless of the attendance figures at the mosques, it does only take a few of these "zealots" to blow themselves up on a tube train after all. Numbers don't even come into it. Despite this it is a minority thing, and the Dispatches program really did make a lot of effort to blow everything out of proportion. The whole thing smacked of an undercover NF meeting, and this is because these people are nasty little extremist toe rags.
The NF analogy is a good one. I couldn't care less about the NF either. I guess the difference is, when they screened that documentary on the BNP, there wasn't much danger that I as an ordinary member of the anglo saxon persuasion would have been looked at suspiciously in the street the next day. Whereas here we all are getting agitated about "muslims". I dare say a lot of ordinary muslims are having watercooler discussions today with their white colleagues in which they are having to explain that the people on the telly didn't represent mainstream muslim opinion.
Funny how I never have to repudiate the BNP.
Think about it chaps.
I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
What are you trying to do, put me out of business?
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Never claimed I had one. But I'm not the one advocating the deportation of those nasty foreigners and their Godless habits either, now am I ?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
No solution beats a patently wrong one any day.
So anyway, should all guns be banned, or only those belonging to creationists? :hide:Quote:
I'm afraid I am going to have to ban you from the Backroom for the wilful spouting of outrageous good sense and intelligent reflection.
What are you trying to do, put me out of business?
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Originally Posted by English assassin
OK, you can stay.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
From the article:
A great big load of manure from this baboon. You would be tempted to laugh at him if it wasn’t for the fact that he has an audience. Demagogues like this (convert) lunatic thrive on audiences of likeminded fools, even if it’s a small audience. And the best demagogues, of course, are trained and financed by the most staunch and noble ally in the war on terror.Quote:
Women, too, are inferior in Abu Usamah's eyes. He tells his audience: "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."
I’m not surprised though. When you pander to the lowest common denominator you’re bound to get a following.
Oh, and I love this one:
~:rolleyes: I eat pork, and I have a mild temper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I do, however, still get turned away at night clubs, because I’m “one of them”. A shame, as I do enjoy integrating with the clubbing community.
If you narrowed it down to the demagogues with Saudi dollars, I’m all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Yes its exactly like that but it was the only link at the time there is probably a better one by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
It was the tv program I was wandering about the clerics, they talking about who wear taking about hitting 10 year old girls for not wearing the hijab (head to tow in black), saying paedophilia is ok because the prophet mohammed married a 10 year old girl, blowing up Indian business killing Jews and all other non-Muslims, they where also taking about brainwashing at one point.
And thanks for that Marshal Murat I thought it was something like that but it wouldn’t be a republic they don’t believe in that sort of nonsense apparently,
That would depend on the consequences of a lack of a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
The Patently Wrong one would turn out worse per definition.
Well Banquo, I hope it's now apparent why I said in another thread why Saudi-financed mosques are "mildly discomforting".
I don't mind the mainstay of the muslim population, if they accept the law and mastered the language of the land it's good enough for me. When individuals start preaching garbage like in the article mentioned, it's open season. Deport them whenever legally possible.
There's rabble rousing nutters all over the place. I don't see why the few Muslim ones deserve to be singled out for "special treatment".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
Personally, I'd like to see all the racist bigots newly grouped in the European Parliament (as I posted in another thread) put in a deep dark mine and concreted over.
However, because I value freedom of speech, diversity and the rule of law more, I recognise that I have to put up with their views.
When any of these people break the law and are properly convicted in a court of law, then one can impose punishment, ideally stringent. Whilst they are merely a bunch of fools embarrassing themselves and the three half-wits that turn up to listen, I'm not worried, let alone discomforted. As others have noted nine-tenths of their audience are probably spooks or journalists.
It occurs to me that the main test of integration is whether you identify more with where you "come from" or where you are.
The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?
As to an "Islamic Republic" in Britain, it won't ever happen, there's already a backlash and multi-culturalism has been binned. Long before any minoriety group become truely significant the British will drive them out, litterally.
Right now the English, including myself, are willing to put up with quite a lot but any remotely serious rumblings of an Islamic state would put a lot of us, probably myself included, on the litteral warpath.
I will fight tooth and nail to protect my way of life, but I'd much rather not have to.
A new religious war in Europe is becomming one of my reccuring nightmares.
We saw Muslim leaders and youths siding with the French government against home-grown terrorism, Iraqi kidnappers and anti-Israeli hate propaganda from Syria. Is that what you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Probably not.
I guess it depends on what tv channel 'we all' tune in to. :inquisitive:
no that test fails miserably because England are crap at cricket .:laugh4:Quote:
The "Cricket Test" while often held up as a xenophobic upper-class piece of drival is actually a pretty clever way of expressing it. If you are of Indian decent but were born in this country shouldn't you support the team that were born in the same country, at least when they play each other?
How many of the plastics down the pub do you see shouting for Ireland against England in the Rugby ?
If severe civil disturbance were to occur, then I fail to see how the deportation of seditious members of a group would be a worse alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watchman
That story didnt reach us across the pondQuote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
I don't think that outside funding (including from S.A.) should be refused to mosques or islamic organisations at all times, however the source would have to be reviewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
I too, recognise the value of free speech - if one was to say he would like to see Sharia law implemented in my country, that's part of his right. However if he says that muslims should implement it by overthrowing the existing laws and state...
This quote is however vague, possibly on purpose. (and it's of course possible that Bobby deliberately replaced part of the text with those dots to suggest) he could argue in court that he meant that a majority of muslims should be converted and then implement their ideas via democracy. Not much room for a criminal charge here.Quote:
Muslims must grow in strength... then take over.
Still, it's mildly discomforting.
Wasn't there an anti-hate speech law passed in the UK like, last year or so ? :inquisitive:
I can't remember precisely, but I was pretty sure it was at least proposed... didn't it pass ?
I think it was revised not to long ago, and a government spokesman said they might do it again because some BNP chiefs weren't found guilty in trial :inquisitive:
Edit: Douple Post.
Personally I'm far more afraid of the Neo-Nazi's, the Christian Fundamentalists, and the Klu Klux Klan than I am of the Muslims, who seem rather complacent and don't want to be hassled by the government. They keep a low profile, in hopes that eventually people will forget about them, but in fact it just seems to make people more suspicious. Islam needs to open up a little bit and be less reserved, if you show someone a monster really isn't hiding in the closet, people will tend to believe you.
I've been called a Kek and a Dirty Jew by a few people before... and I'm German-Irish Catholic. :laugh4:
A depressing - though not too surprising - investigation into what is being preached at the major mosques of Britain:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...er_Mosque&only
Part I 7:35-
"By the age of ten it becomes an obligation of us to force her to wear the hijab. And if she doesn't wear hijab we hit her"
I'm sure that doesn't mean any women in Britain are actually being forced to wear it, that it is 'their own choice' to completely cover themselves and we're all just intolerant racists if we say it shouldn't be worn in western society :rolleyes:
CR
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Wow Rabbit , you managed to miss a whole two page topic on this.
A depressing - though not too surprising - occurance~;)
I wanted to start a new thread with the actual video, thank you very much.
Anyone - perhaps those who insist all Muslims are peaceful and don't want to bother us - want to comment on this? (And not some useless drivel, unrelated to the topic or actual discussion, like what tribesy posted (A depressing - though not at all surprising - occurance ~;p))
The preachers in this video want to make England into an Islamic state, to prosecute unbelievers and wage jihad on others. What is Britain going to do?
CR
I couldnt get the vid to work, but i dont think anyone would claim "all muslims" are peaceful, its only a very small minority in questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
--> prob best to stick to original thread....
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I prefer to leave the crude generalizations to your side, sir. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Besides, a certain quota of jerks is a statistical inevitability.
...this thread is redunant, you know ?
You may have noted the original post I was referring to did not have the conditional you put in.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
HAHA! And that's where 'we all' live!Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Seems you guys have a cancer in your country.
It is a particularly sad satiation when the enemy can prosper and become more powerful within your own borders and the leadership is too weak to do anything about it. :no:
"Tolerance" is not an Islamic concept, nor should it be.
Wow, Nav, you are an expert on the Qur'an and Hadith as well as the Bible, eh?Quote:
"Tolerance" is not an Islamic concept, nor should it be.
Pah. You know, maybe we really do need a debate on integration and identity in this country. Intergration into what, I would like to know? As I once (rather amusingly, I thought at the time) remarked at a candidate selection event, the trouble with "British values" is they are never the values of any Briton I know. (Not entirely surprisingly I wasn't selected, oh, this flippancy is a curse I can tell you. I think they chose a skinhead who had a bull terrier in a union jack waistcoat.)Quote:
It occurs to me that the main test of integration is whether you identify more with where you "come from" or where you are.
How do you identity yourself? Depending on the circumstances I might identify as a father, a wage slave/member of the oppressing capitalist classes (according to taste), biker, person with an interest in classical history, person from Kent (Hurrah), Englishman, and maybe even British (those last three certainly in that order). And so on. And that is someone borne and bred here who gets misty eyed at the sight of a Spitfire. (Aircraft. Although also the beer.)
Am I integrated?
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It is a particularly sad satiation when the enemy can prosper and become more powerful within your own borders and the leadership is too weak to do anything about it
Whilst I agree that specifying a list of criteria is not sensible, there are some "minimum requirements" that could be found.
- Not wanting to destroy the UK
- Understanding of English
- Pride in / desire to be part of adopted country
- No customs / beliefs that prevent interaction in society or prevent others from interacting.
There. Not that tough. Of course some are therefore more likely to be accepted than others, but where does it say that we have to alter everything to suit everyone else? And there are probably many that I've missed off, but they can be added. And yes, there are many in this country who might have been born here that don't fit the criteria. Well, they are free to leave and renounce themselves as subjects as soon as they want.
So I'm afraid preaching terrorism for any reason against the UK isn't allowed. Nor is female mutilation, or going along the street wearing a bone through one's nose and a pipe in the place of trousers. Bilingual is fine, as is tri or whatever. But a basic grasp of english is required - and that means the ability to express complex thoughts, not at the level of understanding 5 words.
Activities that are acceptable at home are not neccecarily allowed here. Preventing one's partner from doing what they want is unlawful. People should be aware of this, and not come if they can not abide their partner's having equal rights.
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Well I for one am most certainly not integrated. I can't wait to get out of the place. I am totally sick of this government and how this country has turned out.
Integration is a totally flawed idea. I'm not sure who though that one up at all. The more diverse the culture the less likely they are to integrate to any level. If for example a man travels into the UK from a country where he had 6 wives aged between 8 and 30, he will only be able to bring "one of" his wives, as the home office states. Is he "integrating" or being forced to integrate? If the, adult, wife that he does bring is then treated as a second class citizen, then clearly he's not "integrating". How does the government cause him to "integrate"? If he pretends to be "integrating" but isn't, what do they do then?
It's ridiculous really. These people have their own customs, beliefs and languages. All of this integration rubbish that is being spouted by blair and his cronies is unworkable. Either minorities are accepted as they are or not accepted at all. Among themselves they will always speak in their own language. When I walk into a shop I hear the woman saying to the man something in urdu or another indian language. These people always have a "grave" expression. This is simply a cultural thing. When they are doing business they look grave, I'm not sure why, but I've noticed it a lot. They could be saying, if I was extremely paranoid:
"oh ******, another infidel, not to worry the jihad will sort him out soon, give him the most rotten spuds we have and shortchange the ********"
Or more likely
"you serve this gentleman, I need to order the potatoes"
I have lost count of the number of people that are offended by immigrants or second/third generation immigrants, from asia in particular, speaking in a foreign language. I have seen people on public transport visibly annoyed. On the flip side I have seen interested glances at people speaking in e.g. german, french or italian. They are not met with any hostility or annoyance. Likewise I have never been given any funny looks for speaking spanish in public, which I do frequently when with my wife.
This is all about conditioning, and people will react to what they see as an asian (in their eyes possibly an asylum seeker living in a ghetto, freeloading off the state and going to extremist mosques to in his spare time) who is speaking in their own language and obviously not "integrating" at all and doesn't want to, more so than a European that they assume to be a tourist or someone that works and can probably also speak fluent english anyway. The tourist is probably a traveller or has a good job, anyway they're to be admired.
I'm afraid that the media is doing a great job demonising these people.
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Originally Posted by Caravel
To be honest the dispatches program was more like "extremisms naughtiest blunders" than an NF meeting. I imagine that an NF meeting would be slightly, just slightly, more sinister.
Gaging from Navaros' opinions on other threads, I believe he is Muslim rather than Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
I really, truthfully, and honestly think Navaros is grabbing sticks out of thin air.
Pop-Up books generally don't tell the whole story. And ones Opinion shouldn't be based off them.
It's hard to see why one of the leftmost television stations, those who embrace "tolerance" and "diversity", would try to demonize them. Maybe the story's real. :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caravel
I think the radicals are there and loud, I don't think they constitute a majoriety but I also think they aren't integrating.
As a Christian I find Navros' beliefs inconsitant, hypocritic, shallaw and quite frankly down right insulting.
There's a 6-part expose on radial preachers in Britain. First on can be viewed here. I find the video far more impressive than the article.
If he is then he is of the Wahhabi flavour.......Tolerance" is not an Islamic concept, nor should it be. :no:Quote:
Gaging from Navaros' opinions on other threads, I believe he is Muslim rather than Christian.
Islam like Christianity comes in many flavours .
The story is real , there are nuts out there , it has done many programs on nuts , be they racist nuts , "religeous" nuts , seperatist nuts or animal rights nuts .Quote:
It's hard to see why one of the leftmost television stations, those who embrace "tolerance" and "diversity", would try to demonize them. Maybe the story's real.
Is it hard to see why a broadcaster who embraces "tolerance and diversity" makes programs about nuts who oppose tolerance ?
Look on the bright side , several of the recorded statements by the convert fruitcake in the program violate laws they have in Britain , they can jail him and then deport him , or just deport him . Back to America :beam:Quote:
Seems you guys have a cancer in your country.
I know Englishmen who only meet one of those criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
That would be 1, correct, or 2?
That's another problem we need to address, a lot of it comes from the drive for multiculturalism and us integrating with them.
English people that can't make those 4 criteria are free to leave. Obviously they're not happy to be here, so why stay?
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Who would want them?Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Very good point. In the EU they can go anywhere they want and set up shop. If their ideal is a country where they get more money for doing nothing I hear that Denmark has the highest average taxes in the world, so they could start off by going there.
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Moving isn't free you know. Even inside the same city. It puzzles me the "why don't you leave then?" crowd, of whatever persuasion, so readily forgets this detail.
The Swedes probably have the best social security system around BTW. But it's not unconditional either.
No, moving isn't free but just because someone feels they made a mistake in coming here/it wasn't what they expected doesn't mean that we should bend over backwards to accomidate them.
Did you ever, anyway ?