Mafia IV: Night of the Living Mafia [Concluded]

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Sigurd 10:52 10-04-2006

Hmm, you guys are on the roll there about the heavy metal and Chemistry thing.
Discovery is sure a candidate because of his line of study. I remember chatting with him about his study. There were a couple of others there that majored in Chemistry. If I could only remember who they were.

The killing of Silver Rusher is interesting though, maybe done by someone wanting to get back at Silver for some reason.
The write up is somewhat indicating poor English skills, with other words someone that have English as their second or third language.
I believe Silver got on the wrong foot with Ultrawar in ‘The Thing’ game.
It could be that Ultrawar want to get back at Silver for calling him a poor game-host. Or it could be a setup to frame Ultrawar by someone also noticing this.

Let’s hear what Ultrawar has to say.
Vote:Ultrawar

Leet Eriksson 11:00 10-04-2006

Vote: ICE

Doing it in solidarity with disco.

doc_bean 11:24 10-04-2006

Vote: discovery1

-The osmium thing
-he didn't die first round
-Ice didn't get killed, which would have been a perfect disco frame up

Ignoramus 11:32 10-04-2006

"That post could have been the kiss of death for you, Leet." That is what Silver posted just after the game started. We have to think why Silver Rusher and Tiberius were killed.

I think that Leet and Discovery are the mafia. Leet killed Silver because he made that post, and Discovery is the most likely person to know about osmium.

Notice that Leet strangely emphasizes Ice's name.

Unvote: Drisos
Vote: discovery1

discovery1 13:25 10-04-2006

You people are all aware that my major, aerospace engineering, would require me to know about LIGHT materials, not something dense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmium

Originally Posted by :
Because of the extreme toxicity of its oxide, osmium is rarely used in its pure state, and is instead often alloyed with other metals that are used in high wear applications. Osmium alloys such as osmiridium are very hard and, along with other platinum group metals, is almost entirely used in alloys employed in the tips of fountain pens, phonograph needles, instrument pivots, and electrical contacts, as they can resist wear from frequent use.

Osmium tetroxide has been used in fingerprint detection and in staining fatty tissue for microscope slides. As a strong oxidant, it cross-links lipids by fixing biological membranes in place. Futhermore, osmium atoms are extremely electron dense, making OsO4 an important stain for transmission electron microscopy (TEM) studies of a wide range of biological materials. An alloy of 90% platinum and 10% osmium (90/10) is used in surgical implants such as pacemakers and replacement pulmonary valves.

The tetroxide (and a related compound, potassium osmate) are important oxidants for chemical synthesis, despite being very poisonous.

In 1898 an Austrian chemist - Auer von Welsbach - developed the Oslamp with a filament made of osmium, which he introduced commercially in 1902. After only a few years, osmium was replaced by the more stable metal tungsten (originally known as Wolfram). Tungsten has the highest melting point of any metal, and using it in light bulbs increases the luminous efficacy and life of incandescent lamps.

The light bulb manufacturer OSRAM (founded in 1906 when three German companies; Auer-Gesellschaft, AEG and Siemens & Halske combined their lamp production facilities), derived its name from the elements of OSmium and wolfRAM.

Do you see any aerospace applications in there?

Dragon Slayer, I keep logs so here is that conversation:

Originally Posted by :
Dragonslayer: if I had played games in OUR time my wife would have I don't know...
*** Scorpi has signed off IRC (Quit: Horses seldom explode.).
The_Unlucky_Detective: showing off a lab coat? yeesh. they're all chemically stained and stinky after a couple labs, anyway
Dragonslayer: so, what are you guys studying anyway?
craziest_mother_around: there where holes that let the wearerr get to their pockets
craziest_mother_around: she thought it cool
craziest_mother_around: Aerospace Engineering
Dragonslayer: cool
Dragonslayer: finish soon?
craziest_mother_around: no
craziest_mother_around: still 2 years and a half left
craziest_mother_around: well
The_Unlucky_Detective: chemical engineering
craziest_mother_around: closer to 3
craziest_mother_around: Chem E?
craziest_mother_around: I hear that's really hard
craziest_mother_around: but also the highest paid of all engineers
craziest_mother_around: Chem E's are by the way not real engineers
Dragonslayer: 3 years left? for what grade?
craziest_mother_around: Know why?
The_Unlucky_Detective: meh, there's lots of chem, but the engineering isn't that hard to me
craziest_mother_around: under grad
The_Unlucky_Detective: not real? the heck you say?!
craziest_mother_around: It's not part of the UIUC College of Engineering
craziest_mother_around: part of Liberal Arts and Sciences
The_Unlucky_Detective: Obviously, tis the UIUC CoE that is in the wrong
craziest_mother_around: yeah
The_Unlucky_Detective: WHAT!?!?!?
The_Unlucky_Detective: lib arts and science?
craziest_mother_around: born from the chem dept
The_Unlucky_Detective: gah
Dragonslayer: what line of work do you get with chem e?
craziest_mother_around: anything apparently
craziest_mother_around: I've heard they even do electrical engineering work
Dragonslayer: farmacy?
The_Unlucky_Detective: loads of different jobs
Dragonslayer: research?
The_Unlucky_Detective: oil industry, manufacturing of certian stuff, etc.
Dragonslayer: ok
Dragonslayer: My wife is in her second year of Pharmasutical(sic) engineering..
craziest_mother_around: which is what?
Dragonslayer: I think that is what you would call it in English
Dragonslayer: I am not sure
craziest_mother_around: I have no idea what that would be.
craziest_mother_around: What does she study exactly?
Dragonslayer: You get a master and become a pharmasist
Dragonslayer: the ones that runs pharmacies
craziest_mother_around: they mix the pills?
Dragonslayer: you know making medicine
Dragonslayer: yes
craziest_mother_around: k
Dragonslayer: what do you call it in the US
craziest_mother_around: same thing apparently
craziest_mother_around: I would have called them chemists
craziest_mother_around: but apparently not
Dragonslayer: it is called farmasøyt here
Dragonslayer: you need to study 5 years to become one
The_Unlucky_Detective: well, i gots to get going to my Chem E class of all things. Cya
craziest_mother_around: 5 years may be more typical
*** The_Unlucky_Detective has signed off IRC (Quit: The_Unlucky_Detective).
craziest_mother_around: Cya
craziest_mother_around: for engineering degrees
Dragonslayer: I finished school in 2003
craziest_mother_around: yeah
craziest_mother_around: what in?
Dragonslayer: no ... it is a masters
Dragonslayer: I have a masters in IT

The unlucky detective is crazed rabbit, who happens to be a Chem E. Hmmmm. Edit: YOu may also want an electrical enginer, since this stuff is apparently used in electronics.

Csargo 13:29 10-04-2006

Interesting developement

Drisos 13:40 10-04-2006

Well Ig, it sounds logical, (even though as discovery said it does not entirely fit into his 'major'.. I still bet he knows enough about it) Though, I don't think he would've been able to supress the temptation of killing ice first round..

Sasaki, sorry, I thought the case was lost for me anyway. and in the past, defending yourself has only led to more suspicions and almost all of the time - execution. anyway..

"Reprimanding your fellow mafioso (Masy?). This kind of post has been a trend in the other mafia games, I can dig up examples if needed. The mafioso or person with a role mentions something like this indirectly and it doesn't get noticed."

"I'm willing to bet the mafia is at their most careless at the beginning of the game. I believe that was a slip up by Drisos.

Masy's posting time/Kill posting delay is also worth looking at in the future."

Well... what should I say? It's not true? hmmm that won't help. hmmm I'm quite a perfectionist. if I was mafia I would definitely take more care of my posts.. make sure there's nothing different then normal, and nothing suspicious at all. I was just trying to do something positive for the townspeople for once (after continously voting wrong in Mafia III and the godfather) and do more 'searching' less 'bandwagoning'. I figured that at least one of the mafia had been among the people that hadn't been online yet since the beginning. however sadly 'something came up' (that'll make me more suspicious lol) and I couldn't find the time to check the people's profiles. looking through the posting times Masy seems indeed suspicious though.

I don't think this'll help. And I'll probably be executed.

So to the people that wish to take close look on the game and really do the investigating work (Silver Rusher, Sasaki, more?...) - I was not guilty! Of course, I can't do nothing to prove it, sadly. But keep it in mind... I was not mafia. That knowledge might one day help in solving who are mafia.

Good luck, townspeople. I'm truly sorry for my big mistake so early on... (making myself look suspicious and getting myself executed for it)

Avicenna 14:06 10-04-2006

You're still the craziest mother around?

Sigurd: english as a 2nd or 3rd language is common here, and doesn't necessarily indicate bad english. English isn't exactly my first language, but I'd willingly bet that mine is far better than many native Englishmen.

Big King Sanctaphrax 14:56 10-04-2006

I think that voting for Disco on the basis of the osmium thing is a really bad idea. Given that he has been killed at the beginning of the past two games, I imagine that if he were mafia in this one, he wouldn't be in a great rush to go throwing out clues which would seem to lead back to him. In fact, if the Mafia aren't completely stupid, I think it's safe to take that as a red herring.

So far the arguement I've found the most convincing has been Sasaki's, but I'm loath to simply jump on one of his bandwagons again, as last game he turned out to be the mafia mastermind, and lead me a merry dance, culminating in engineering my lynching due to my lack of participation. Nevertheless, there's never anything to go on in the first round anyway, so I provisionally Vote: Drisos. This may change, but I wanted to have a vote in place in case I couldn't get back in time for the end of the window.

Sasaki Kojiro 14:57 10-04-2006

Unvote:Drisos

That's good enough for me.

Vote:Destroyer of Hope

Tiberius is right, you haven't participated in the last few games, how come you post now?

Voting for Kagemusha is an easy out. Very safe.

I don't buy disco, as he points out Crazed Rabbit is a more likely candidate using the weak logic that he has been accused with.

I'd also like to know what Masy has to say.

UltraWar 16:56 10-04-2006

Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane:
Hmm, you guys are on the roll there about the heavy metal and Chemistry thing.
Discovery is sure a candidate because of his line of study. I remember chatting with him about his study. There were a couple of others there that majored in Chemistry. If I could only remember who they were.

The killing of Silver Rusher is interesting though, maybe done by someone wanting to get back at Silver for some reason.
The write up is somewhat indicating poor English skills, with other words someone that have English as their second or third language.
I believe Silver got on the wrong foot with Ultrawar in ‘The Thing’ game.
It could be that Ultrawar want to get back at Silver for calling him a poor game-host. Or it could be a setup to frame Ultrawar by someone also noticing this.

Let’s hear what Ultrawar has to say.
Vote:Ultrawar

This is a intresting theory. It could be three things:

A)Me framing myself
B)Someone framing me
C)Me framing myself but being a mafiaso which would be dangerous for me to do as I would be a mafiaso but would hope that no-one picked up on it.

If I killed Silver Rusher, the Thing Game would have nothing to do with the killing.

It's just a shame I wasn't there when he was killed

Vote:Destroyer of Hope

Orb 17:18 10-04-2006

I'm going to agree with Disco. What kind of name is 'Michigan' anyway?

Vote: Ice

Crazed Rabbit 17:32 10-04-2006

Pfft, a lousy frame attempt on me if it is even one. I would've used white phosphorous and a tank of slowly draining water if I wanted a chemistry related death.

On the other hand, DoH's inconstant behavoir and easy vote for Kage are suspect.

Vote: Destroyer of Hope

Sasaki, I wouldn't jump on Drisos too much for not mounting a 'defense'- the evidence against him is very circumstantial and flimsy.

Crazed Rabbit

Divine Wind 17:51 10-04-2006

Kagemusha requested to be hung by the neck, which would be an odd tactic to use by the mafia so it is pointless voting for him.

Discovery and Ice voting each other every game would be a good cover for a few rounds, until one of them ends up dead, and then we can see how they change tactics.

Sasaki mentioned earlier on in the post about Drisos possibley slipping up seems a more logical vote. If the Mafia do make any mistakes, it will tend to be early on in the game, when they have a high percentage of surviving, and feel less inclined to think before they post. Therefore my vote goes to Drisos.

Big King Sanctaphrax 17:59 10-04-2006

Hmm, well. I must say that I do get a genuine feeling from Drisos's post. However, he could just be playing us, and I really can't think of anyone else to vote for. So, my vote stands, even if I do think Drisos is innocent, as you never know, and abstaining wouldn't acheive anything.

Sasaki Kojiro 18:31 10-04-2006

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit:
Sasaki, I wouldn't jump on Drisos too much for not mounting a 'defense'- the evidence against him is very circumstantial and flimsy.

Crazed Rabbit

I unvoted him when he defended himself and said as much.

Originally Posted by Myrddraal:
Hmm hmm hmm
Interesting developments. I've added a couple of names to my personal 'probably innocent/suspicious/no idea' list.

Personally I find Kage's behavior very odd. There have been a bit of meaningless friendly sparring in this thread (Are you a Mafioso then?/He's from Michigan!) and like I said, that's all fairly meaningless. But Kage leapt into one of his own, insisting he's the mafia and wants to be lynched. A lot of people have seemingly dismissed him because of that.

It would seem a big risk to take as a mafioso, but one that is likely to pay off. The 'I haven't been lynched yet' is a good excuse not to commit suicide, and diverts attention (by joking) away from him. I find it all very suspicious.

This "lynch me" behavior has been done before and the person turned out innocent. Often came very close to being lynched. People won't forget about what he said, he'll always be a possible lynch choice.

I suspect he was just trying to have some fun.

Originally Posted by :
I think the Osmium is a false lead. I think someone has clearly gone out of their way to include it. Even a ChemEng wouldn't use Osmium in a mafia game. I think the more we ignore that bit of the post, the better. Though it does mean (in my oppinion) that someone in the mafia is deliberately trying to throw us, which isn't going to make things easy.

I agree. It's worth examining red herrings because you can learn something from them, but to vote on it is a fallacy.

@Dutch Guy--What's selfless about my behavior? I'm having a blast.

Oh and General H (or somebody) could we pleaaaaaaaase get a vote count?

Myrddraal 17:50 10-04-2006

Hmm hmm hmm
Interesting developments. I've added a couple of names to my personal 'probably innocent/suspicious/no idea' list.

Personally I find Kage's behavior very odd. There have been a bit of meaningless friendly sparring in this thread (Are you a Mafioso then?/He's from Michigan!) and like I said, that's all fairly meaningless. But Kage leapt into one of his own, insisting he's the mafia and wants to be lynched. A lot of people have seemingly dismissed him because of that.

It would seem a big risk to take as a mafioso, but one that is likely to pay off. The 'I haven't been lynched yet' is a good excuse not to commit suicide, and diverts attention (by joking) away from him. I find it all very suspicious.

Drisos' defence felt fairly resigned and also genuine. Either he's engineered that post very well, or he's innocent. I'm tending towards innocent (for now

).

I think the Osmium is a false lead. I think someone has clearly gone out of their way to include it. Even a ChemEng wouldn't use Osmium in a mafia game. I think the more we ignore that bit of the post, the better. Though it does mean (in my oppinion) that someone in the mafia is deliberately trying to throw us, which isn't going to make things easy.

I also think that Ultra's language (I base this oppinion entirely from the Thing thread) doesn't fit that of the kill post. Let's face it, the 'pound' sounds like a spell check correction, and the grammar of that post is more smooth than the grammar Ultra uses in his Thing thread (nothing personal Ultra

).

To be honest, despite the strange behavior of Kage it's not enough for me to vote for him (it doesn't help his case though). Most of those who have posted long arguments have strengthened their cases in my eyes, which makes those who vote for bad reasons (those voting Ice for example) are the most suspect to me.

My Grandad once insisted to me that not voting was a vote for the extreem party, and I fear in mafia games that's all too true, but I can't find any individual high up enough on my 'suspicious' list to be worthy of a vote. So unfortunately:

UnVote:Drisos
Vote:Abstain

Drisos 21:05 10-04-2006

Originally Posted by Myrddraal:
Drisos' defence felt fairly resigned and also genuine. Either he's engineered that post very well, or he's innocent. I'm tending towards innocent (for now ).

hehe indeed. If I would be mafia.. that would be very well engineered indeed. Seems like I'm even surviving the first lynch!

hurray

Originally Posted by :
I also think that Ultra's language (I base this oppinion entirely from the Thing thread) doesn't fit that of the kill post. Let's face it, the 'pound' sounds like a spell check correction, and the grammar of that post is more smooth than the grammar Ultra uses in his Thing thread (nothing personal Ultra ).

Well, I'm hosting a mafia game on another forum, and just noticed someone writing totally different then he usually did. (he used proper interpunction etc, instead of his usual 'slang') So Ultrawar might just be changing his language on purpose. However, his post didn't sound 'suspicious' to me.. he's talked like that before, being innocent.

My vote for Csar stands. I could change to abstain but it won't make a difference anyway..

my.. this game is getting really, really intresting already. Shame I don't have more time to spend on it..

btw I haven't even counted the votes.. still wondering if I'll survive or not.. the execution should be up anytime now.. exciting!

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